Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

Never mind ... my apologies for posting.

Kind Regards

Jim Thomas
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I have NO idea what you are trying to say!
To me, this is ALL gibberish!
-
Ted MacNEIL
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Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:24:39 
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Sir,

Sure ... have you not heard ?? .. there's a new 
MicroDaft product coming out soon .. it's called 
... 'Deject' (or was that 'Reject' .. sorry don't 
remember) ... it's rumored to have been written in
C++ and JAVA. Apparently they've come up with a better
way for 'garbage collection'. :-) 

Actually ... there has been very stiff resistance 
from most management folks who are rather insistent
on calling it ... well .. I'll refrain. :-) 

Anywhoo...

Instead of 'any' paper in bathrooms, it will (don't 
ask me how and don't tell me either please) all be 
handled by Project managers and the likes ... basically
'Deject' (or 'Reject') is very similar (I am told) to 
'Project' ... 

Personally ... I think it was just a way to give the
Project manager's of today an expanded job opportunity.

By the way .. the said product is also rumored to have 
very strict time / deadlines !!.

:-) 


Kind Regards

Jim Thomas
617-233-4130 (mobile)
636-294-1014(res)
j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email)


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> are going to a paperless' office. 
As soon as we have a paperless bathroom!
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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Ted MacNEIL]

I have NO idea what you are trying to say!
To me, this is ALL gibberish!
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Sir,

Sure ... have you not heard ?? .. there's a new 
MicroDaft product coming out soon .. it's called 
... 'Deject' (or was that 'Reject' .. sorry don't 
remember) ... it's rumored to have been written in
C++ and JAVA. Apparently they've come up with a better
way for 'garbage collection'. :-) 

Actually ... there has been very stiff resistance 
from most management folks who are rather insistent
on calling it ... well .. I'll refrain. :-) 

Anywhoo...

Instead of 'any' paper in bathrooms, it will (don't 
ask me how and don't tell me either please) all be 
handled by Project managers and the likes ... basically
'Deject' (or 'Reject') is very similar (I am told) to 
'Project' ... 

Personally ... I think it was just a way to give the
Project manager's of today an expanded job opportunity.

By the way .. the said product is also rumored to have 
very strict time / deadlines !!.

:-) 


Kind Regards

Jim Thomas
617-233-4130 (mobile)
636-294-1014(res)
j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email)


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> are going to a paperless' office. 
As soon as we have a paperless bathroom!
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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Jim Thomas]

STOP using SAKI in the biday's !!. :-) 

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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> 
> >
> > > are going to a paperless' office.
> > As soon as we have a paperless bathroom!
> > -
> > Ted MacNEIL
> 
> I think the Japanese have invented that. First a good squirt of water
in the appropriate place, then a
> blast of warm air to dry.

Didn't one of those facilities catch fire at an inopportune time
recently?

I'm still getting used to the "automatic bidet" feature in our new
building.  :-)

-jc-

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Rick Fochtman]

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LMAO !! .. actually .. this only happened twice ... none the Less ... in 
this day and age of buzz word proliferation, ... technically ... I was 
not canned ... I was PUSHED to a point where I'd retaliate ... :-) just 
so that my manager at the time could justify her inferiority complex and 
the sheer lack of anything that resembled a brain.


The other time was when my then director (who disliked the fact that I 
was versed in assembler) would constantly make changes to the system 
w/out telling anybody. Invariably, I'd get a call (and this happened 
almost every day for five years before I got tired) every night from 
operations saying that none of my images would come back up after the 
IPL(lpars back then). When asked why they IPL'd, they said ... 
'because.. he (my director) told them to'.


After having gone into work past midnight to fix somebody else's screw 
up for years, I finally told them to call him and get his arse into the 
office and that I was going to hang up the phone and leave it off the hook.


The result was that I had a 'dead' shop for just over a day or so (call 
it a LONG maint. Window ??) ... The first few times that this had 
happened, two VP's interfered and chewed out most of my then directors 
already nonexistent arse ... I was then told (by both VP's) to revoke my 
director's id ... but .. stupid me .. I did not ...


Ahh ... what games we play ... :-)

Say whatever happened to the plain simple world of English ?? :-)

(okay ... time to ROFL now ..).
-
Had a similar experience long ago. I'd just returned from a 2-week 
vacation and my answering machine was FULL, with a 90-minute tape for 
incoming messages. My "leader" had inquired why our 3211 FCB images had 
9 and 12 punches and he wanted them taken out. (System was SVS and 
HASP-4) I explained that the system needed them to sense the end of 
page. Well, he went ahead and removed all the 9 and 12 "punches" from 
all the FCB images why I was gone and nothing had printed correctly for 
a week. I immediately replaced all the images from my original source 
and everything was fine again. Senior management wanted to know what had 
happened so I explained the problem. My boss accused me of calling him 
incompetant, which he was, and threatened to fire me on the spot. I told 
him to do something that was anatomically impossible and went back to 
doing my job. I got called on the carpet about that and when I explained 
the circumstances was told that the sentiment was valid but the delivery 
should have been more "diplomatic". I should have told him to go to H**L 
in such a way that he looked forward to the trip. :-)


Started a new job three weeks later, with a vast sigh of relief. :-)

Rick

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Re: CLOCK change problem

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

LMAO !!. 

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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jim Thomas
> 
> Sir,
> 
> My sincere apologies ... right you are and yes, it
> was from the old Kung Fu series ... I've just come to
> a point where I don't (automatically) think that people
> are old enough to know what I speak of.
> 
> Very good ... Chinese it then ...
> 
> 
> hen gaoxing renshi nǐ !!.

You do and you'll clean it up!  :-)

-jc-

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Jim Thomas]

Sir, 

Pardon me .. I think it was the English ... To biday or not to 
biday !!. 

:-) 

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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:17 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: Security is fun in the PC world
> 
> > are going to a paperless' office. 
> As soon as we have a paperless bathroom!
> -
> Ted MacNEIL

I think the Japanese have invented that. First a good squirt of water in the
appropriate place, then a blast of warm air to dry.

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

Sure ... have you not heard ?? .. there's a new 
MicroDaft product coming out soon .. it's called 
... 'Deject' (or was that 'Reject' .. sorry don't 
remember) ... it's rumored to have been written in
C++ and JAVA. Apparently they've come up with a better
way for 'garbage collection'. :-) 

Actually ... there has been very stiff resistance 
from most management folks who are rather insistent
on calling it ... well .. I'll refrain. :-) 

Anywhoo...

Instead of 'any' paper in bathrooms, it will (don't 
ask me how and don't tell me either please) all be 
handled by Project managers and the likes ... basically
'Deject' (or 'Reject') is very similar (I am told) to 
'Project' ... 

Personally ... I think it was just a way to give the
Project manager's of today an expanded job opportunity.

By the way .. the said product is also rumored to have 
very strict time / deadlines !!.

:-) 


Kind Regards

Jim Thomas
617-233-4130 (mobile)
636-294-1014(res)
j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email)


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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:17 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Security is fun in the PC world

> are going to a paperless' office. 
As soon as we have a paperless bathroom!
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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> 
> >
> > > are going to a paperless' office.
> > As soon as we have a paperless bathroom!
> > -
> > Ted MacNEIL
> 
> I think the Japanese have invented that. First a good squirt of water
in the appropriate place, then a
> blast of warm air to dry.

Didn't one of those facilities catch fire at an inopportune time
recently?

I'm still getting used to the "automatic bidet" feature in our new
building.  :-)

-jc-

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Mike Liberatore]

If u had alter then were given the keys to do anything
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Eric Bielefeld 
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Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:32:43 
To: 
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Subject: Re: Security is fun in the PC world

I was a contractor for a company that gave me alter access to APF libraries. 
I remember my boss at first giving me very limited access.  Then, after a 
few months when he trusted me, he gave me a lot more access.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer

- Original Message - 
From: "R.S." 
> I also know many cases when some contractor(s) did have extraonrdinary 
> access to the mainframe system, including, i.e. ALTER to APF libraries. On 
> production LPARs. Is such system still very secure? 

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Re: CLOCK change problem

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jim Thomas
> 
> Sir,
> 
> My sincere apologies ... right you are and yes, it
> was from the old Kung Fu series ... I've just come to
> a point where I don't (automatically) think that people
> are old enough to know what I speak of.
> 
> Very good ... Chinese it then ...
> 
> 
> hen gaoxing renshi nǐ !!.

You do and you'll clean it up!  :-)

-jc-

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:17 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: Security is fun in the PC world
> 
> > are going to a paperless' office. 
> As soon as we have a paperless bathroom!
> -
> Ted MacNEIL

I think the Japanese have invented that. First a good squirt of water in the 
appropriate place, then a blast of warm air to dry.

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Ted MacNEIL]

> are going to a paperless' office. 
As soon as we have a paperless bathroom!
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Re: CLOCK change problem

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

My sincere apologies ... right you are and yes, it 
was from the old Kung Fu series ... I've just come to 
a point where I don't (automatically) think that people
are old enough to know what I speak of.

Very good ... Chinese it then ... 


hen gaoxing renshi nǐ !!. 


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Jim Thomas
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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:54 PM
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On 8/21/2011 2:39 PM, Jim Thomas wrote:
> Sir,
>
> My apologies ... 'so desu ne' ?? .. chinese ?? ..
>
> Forgive me .. aside from Japanese, I also knew Mandarin but
> 'so desu ne' is Japanese ... and essentially it just means
> that you're agreeing (indifferently).
>
> I'm just confused why you mentioned Chinese

Well, I thought your sentences were in reference to
the previous post that mentioned 'grasshopper'; that's
an allusion to the Kung Fu series, where the lead was
a half-Chinese man raised in a Chinese temple.

So I replied in English and Japanese, saying, basically,
"I think you meant to say it Chinese, right?"

Ah yes. My wife and I slaughter many languages.

:-)


  ... I'm sorry...
> I used to versant in about eight or nine languages (in a
> previous lifetime) but .. have not touched them (save but
> for a few words every now and then) for well over two decades.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Jim Thomas
> 617-233-4130 (mobile)
> 636-294-1014(res)
> j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Steve Comstock
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:09 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
>
> On 8/21/2011 12:32 AM, Jim Thomas wrote:
>> Hai Shidoshi ...
>>
>> Watashi o keihatsu shite itadaki arigatogozaimasu.
>>
>> Watashi wa sore o shitte ita koto ga nai.
>>
>> Watashi wa nipponjin de wa nai asa ga nai 
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry .. I just could not resist ... :-)
>>
>
> But it should have been Chinese instead of Japanese,
> so desu ne? (そですね)
>
>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Jim Thomas
>> 617-233-4130 (mobile)
>> 636-294-1014(res)
>> j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email)
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
>> Of Binyamin Dissen
>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:18:28 -0500 Jim Thomas
>> wrote:
>>
>> :>Switch ?? .. as in a command or a bit ?.
>>
>> A physical switch, young grasshopper. It had to be in the enable position.
>>
>> No idea how it is done nowadays. Have not IPLed a real machine in a long
>> time.
>>
>> :>Default STPMODE is YES and were it set to NO .. he would
>> :>not get this prompt. That said, he should not set STPMODE
>> :>to NO unless he is prepared to go to STP.
>>
>> :>-Original Message-
>> :>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
>> Behalf
>> :>Of Binyamin Dissen
>> :>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:56 AM
>> :>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> :>Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
>> :>
>> :>On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:25:59 +0200 Alvaro Guirao Lopez
>> :>   wrote:
>> :>
>> :>:>I have z/OS V1R11, I have changed CLOCK to  OPERATOR PROMPT to change
>> the
>> :>:>local and UTC/GMT hour.
>> :>
>> :>:>Whe I IPLed the system it prompt reply
>> :>
>> :>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
>> :>:>IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR UTC/LOCAL
>> :>TIME
>> :>
>> :>:>I reply with
>> :>
>> :>:>R 00,DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.35.00,UTC
>> :>
>> :>:>Then system issues IEA903A to reply U when the time ocurrs, I reply at
>> the
>> :>:>time:
>> :>
>> :>:>R 00,U
>> :>
>> :>:>and then appears again the CLOCK without my change
>> :>
>> :>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
>> :>:>IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR UTC/LOCAL
>> :>TIME
>> :>
>> :>There used to be a switch to allow the TOD to be altered.
>> :>
>> :>How does the STP affect this?
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.dissensoftware.com
>>
>> Director, Dissen Software, Bar&   Grill - Israel
>>
>>
>> Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
>> you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.
>>
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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

I wish I'd been that lucky .. well .. perhaps not.. since I 
would still have been with that company ... although, my then 
director got CANNED about a fortnight after he pushed (gee..
wonderful buzz words yeah?) me out. 

:-)

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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:53 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Security is fun in the PC world

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jim Thomas 
wrote:
> Sir,
>
> LMAO !! .. actually .. this only happened twice ... none the
> Less ... in this day and age of buzz word proliferation,
> ... technically ... I was not canned ... I was PUSHED to a point
> where I'd retaliate ... :-) just so that my manager at the time
> could justify her inferiority complex and the sheer lack of
> anything that resembled a brain.
>
> The other time was when my then director (who disliked the fact
> that I was versed in assembler) would constantly make changes to
> the system w/out telling anybody. Invariably, I'd get a call (and
> this happened almost every day for five years before I got tired)
> every night from operations saying that none of my images would
> come back up after the IPL(lpars back then). When asked why they
> IPL'd, they said  ... 'because.. he (my director) told them to'.
>
> After having gone into work past midnight to fix somebody else's
> screw up for years, I finally told them to call him and get his
> arse into the office and that I was going to hang up the phone and
> leave it off the hook.
>
> The result was that I had a 'dead' shop for just over a day or so
> (call it a LONG maint. Window ??) ... The first few times that this
> had happened, two VP's interfered and chewed out most of my then
> directors already nonexistent arse ... I was then told (by both VP's)
> to revoke my director's id ... but .. stupid me .. I did not ...
>
> Ahh ... what games we play ... :-)
>
> Sayy whatever happened to the plain simple world of English ?? :-)
>
> (okay ... time to ROFL now ..).
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Jim Thomas

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

First, my apologies .. I picked your response only because 
I concur with what you’ve said but, in my experience, the 
very same happened, both as an employee and as a consultant.

Folks, 

IMHO .. this thread has gone long enough ... before I 
go on and rant, again, I fully understand and concur w/Eric. 

The same has been my experience and am sure the same 
applies to everybody else. I must also state that, when
a person starts work at some company, be they an employee
or a consultant, limited privileges are given not because
they're worried about HACK's but more so, because they do
not know the person and want to limit, if not prevent any
potential outages. Unfortunately, in today's world, this 
is a bit like wanting (having?) JAVA, C++ and or VB 
programmer's on MVS, VM or VSE (there .. I did not say
mainframe).  

If I've offended anybody, please accept my public apology. 
That said, I've see all kinds of replies to this nonsense 
all the way from a certain person making reference to the
Watergate scandal and OS/390 ... HUH ?? OS/390 in the 70's
??... If true .. I admit that I must really have been asleep.

That said, if a 'current' employee (and I don't give a 
toss if its' a contractor, or employee or the janitor or 
whatever) does any kind of harm to a company system, I DO NOT
consider that to be HACK. 

By the same token, if one is able to PHYSICALLY be present
at (as an example) a datacenter and especially a datacenter
that has 'passwords' laying around ... I DO NOT consider 
that to be HACK.  

If an 'ex-employee' damaged one's production (or even test)
system, I STILL DO NOT consider that a HACK.

One comment I'll make is ... my own (rightly or wrongly) 
differentiation in terminology ... I use the term 'mainframe'
to be MVS (or z/OS or whatever you want to call it), VM or VSE. 

I do like Linux but sorry, z or NO z, it is still not (yet ?) a 
mainframe. 

APF libraries ?? give me a break .. I've walked into many places
to install and or upgrade a full system (or should I watch my 
terminology and say ... a full shop). This is to include shops that
never had an IBM MAINFRAME before, watched the CE's and FE's roll in
the HDW, create a 'brand new' IOCP/CDS and . 

I'm sure there's going to be plenty, especially from the pro-PC folks,
that disagree with me and that is fine by me only, if 'ex-employees'
and people that should not have access to a system or datacenter does,
then ... perhaps it time people shifted their bull away from hard 
working and extremely knowledgeable developers or systems programmers
or whatever have you and started looking VERY closely at this so called
'management' and the 'management infrastructure' everybody insists on.
What a wonderful word 'infrastructure'.  

What was that someone once told me ... umm .. I think about two and a 
half decades ago .. oh yes ... 'we are going to a paperless' office. 

Ironically, since the start of that trend, I've seen paperwork, be it 
in physical paper or electronic forms of paperwork ... quadruple. Again,
I digress ... it would yet another long and drawn out topic. 

One final comment, Radoslaw, if you were an auditor .. great .. but again,
there's only two things I can say. One of them being that I do NOT consider
anything and everything to be a HACK. The second is that ... despite all the 
security in the world .. face it ... there is no such thing. If you invent a 
lock, somebody will find a way to break it, if you invent a storage area, 
somebody will find a way to get into it. As of the recent, you could have a 
concrete room built, with no doors, windows or any other means of access, but
wait, we now have breaking into that too (yes, I'm leaving out a lot of details
but sorry... IMHO.. required). 


I'm done with this topic. 


Kind Regards

Jim Thomas
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Subject: Re: Security is fun in the PC world

I was a contractor for a company that gave me alter access to APF libraries. 
I remember my boss at first giving me very limited access.  Then, after a 
few months when he trusted me, he gave me a lot more access.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer

- Original Message - 
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> I also know many cases when some contractor(s) did have extraonrdinary 
> access to the mainframe system, including, i.e. ALTER to APF libraries. On 
> production LPARs. Is such system still very secure? 

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Re: CLOCK change problem

[Steve Comstock]

On 8/21/2011 2:39 PM, Jim Thomas wrote:

Sir,

My apologies ... 'so desu ne' ?? .. chinese ?? ..

Forgive me .. aside from Japanese, I also knew Mandarin but
'so desu ne' is Japanese ... and essentially it just means
that you're agreeing (indifferently).

I'm just confused why you mentioned Chinese


Well, I thought your sentences were in reference to
the previous post that mentioned 'grasshopper'; that's
an allusion to the Kung Fu series, where the lead was
a half-Chinese man raised in a Chinese temple.

So I replied in English and Japanese, saying, basically,
"I think you meant to say it Chinese, right?"

Ah yes. My wife and I slaughter many languages.

:-)


 ... I'm sorry...

I used to versant in about eight or nine languages (in a
previous lifetime) but .. have not touched them (save but
for a few words every now and then) for well over two decades.

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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:09 AM
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Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem

On 8/21/2011 12:32 AM, Jim Thomas wrote:

Hai Shidoshi ...

Watashi o keihatsu shite itadaki arigatogozaimasu.

Watashi wa sore o shitte ita koto ga nai.

Watashi wa nipponjin de wa nai asa ga nai 


I'm sorry .. I just could not resist ... :-)



But it should have been Chinese instead of Japanese,
so desu ne? (そですね)



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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 AM
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Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:18:28 -0500 Jim Thomas
wrote:

:>Switch ?? .. as in a command or a bit ?.

A physical switch, young grasshopper. It had to be in the enable position.

No idea how it is done nowadays. Have not IPLed a real machine in a long
time.

:>Default STPMODE is YES and were it set to NO .. he would
:>not get this prompt. That said, he should not set STPMODE
:>to NO unless he is prepared to go to STP.

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:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf
:>Of Binyamin Dissen
:>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:56 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
:>Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
:>
:>On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:25:59 +0200 Alvaro Guirao Lopez
:>   wrote:
:>
:>:>I have z/OS V1R11, I have changed CLOCK to  OPERATOR PROMPT to change
the
:>:>local and UTC/GMT hour.
:>
:>:>Whe I IPLed the system it prompt reply
:>
:>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
:>:>IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR UTC/LOCAL
:>TIME
:>
:>:>I reply with
:>
:>:>R 00,DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.35.00,UTC
:>
:>:>Then system issues IEA903A to reply U when the time ocurrs, I reply at
the
:>:>time:
:>
:>:>R 00,U
:>
:>:>and then appears again the CLOCK without my change
:>
:>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
:>:>IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR UTC/LOCAL
:>TIME
:>
:>There used to be a switch to allow the TOD to be altered.
:>
:>How does the STP affect this?

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Mike Schwab]

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jim Thomas  wrote:
> Sir,
>
> LMAO !! .. actually .. this only happened twice ... none the
> Less ... in this day and age of buzz word proliferation,
> ... technically ... I was not canned ... I was PUSHED to a point
> where I'd retaliate ... :-) just so that my manager at the time
> could justify her inferiority complex and the sheer lack of
> anything that resembled a brain.
>
> The other time was when my then director (who disliked the fact
> that I was versed in assembler) would constantly make changes to
> the system w/out telling anybody. Invariably, I'd get a call (and
> this happened almost every day for five years before I got tired)
> every night from operations saying that none of my images would
> come back up after the IPL(lpars back then). When asked why they
> IPL'd, they said  ... 'because.. he (my director) told them to'.
>
> After having gone into work past midnight to fix somebody else's
> screw up for years, I finally told them to call him and get his
> arse into the office and that I was going to hang up the phone and
> leave it off the hook.
>
> The result was that I had a 'dead' shop for just over a day or so
> (call it a LONG maint. Window ??) ... The first few times that this
> had happened, two VP's interfered and chewed out most of my then
> directors already nonexistent arse ... I was then told (by both VP's)
> to revoke my director's id ... but .. stupid me .. I did not ...
>
> Ahh ... what games we play ... :-)
>
> Sayy whatever happened to the plain simple world of English ?? :-)
>
> (okay ... time to ROFL now ..).
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Jim Thomas

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Re: Looking for another large Control-D site

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

I might be able to assist, having been a former developer for 
the In-Control Suite of products but for the moment, I've forwarded
your post to someone that still works with In-Control (though 
primarily CTM) on a daily basis. 

Hopefully he can help you and if he needs to, he know how to get a 
hold of me. 


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Subject: Looking for another large Control-D site

Hi 
I am having some problems with the BMC product Control-D, mainly concerning
performance and user-interface, so I wonder if there is someone out there
willing to have an off-line discussion about that product. 

Cheers
 Willy

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Jim Thomas]

Sir, 

Forget it. 

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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:17 AM
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W dniu 2011-08-20 03:09, Jim Thomas pisze:
> /snip
>> MVS (or OS/390 or z/OS or whatever you want to call it) has
>> NEVER been hacked or destroyed by an ex employee !!.
>
> How do you know?
> Do you expect any financial company to make an advertisement "Hello!
> We're open for hackers!". I suspect that no company want do disclose it.
>
> /endsnip
>
> Please tell me of 'one' financial company that has been hacked ... but
> remember now .. get rid of the 'non mainframe' environments first !!.
> Better yet ... please tell me that you KNOW for a fact that if a financial
> company was hacked ... 'nobody' would know ?? .. Do you really believe
> that ??. Further, going by your own approach, why then have 'financial' and
> other institutions admitted that their wonderful non-mainframe environment
> has been 'attacked' or gotten a 'virus' or whatever ??.

Why they did it? Because they have to do it, becuase it was disclosed. 
I'm aware of many 'gotten virus' and other security issues which were 
never ever disclosed to the public. Why? There is (was) no obligation to 
do that (not every 'Watergate' became scandal, some of them remain 
secret). Simple? Oh, I KNOW (read it again: I KNOW) at least one case 
where ex-employe did compromise security of mainframe system (it was 
OS/390). I cannot provide any further details, except the following: it 
was possible because of lacks of proffesionalism of management, 
organisational, and partially RACF administration. In other words it 
wasn't fault of the system itself. And it wasn't disclosed.
I also know many cases when some contractor(s) did have extraonrdinary 
access to the mainframe system, including, i.e. ALTER to APF libraries. 
On production LPARs. Is such system still very secure?





> /snip
>> In fact, let me re-state that .. the mainframes HAVE NEVER
>> been hacked or destroyed by an ex employee !!.
>
> Well, I know such evidence (maybe it was misuse - it's a matter of
> definition of "been hacked"), cannot provide details.
> Another, publicly known example: Kevin Mitnick. Obviously he wasn't
> ex-employee (is it better?), and he hacked people, not systems. So?
> /endsnip
>
> I admit that I have not the foggiest who Kevin Mitnick is ... but bear
> with me and I'll find out ... and I'll also find out the circumstances.
> That said ... yes, I have had exposure to misuse and in fact, have known
> of circumstances where 'A Current' employee has ... umm shall I say ..
> embezzled ... forgive me but .. in this context ... we're speaking of
> apples and oranges.
>
> I will further admit that I have know of people that use to 'purposefully'
> code for abends but then too, that was only because they could be called
> on the weekends and hence, justify time that they would ask remuneration
> for.



Well, I would suggest to use google or Wikipedia, or better go to the 
bookstore and ask for Mitnick's book. They will know who is it and sell 
you the book. It's worth reading IMHO.





> /snip
> Some remarks:
> 1. "Mainframe system" could mean z/OS or poorly configured Linux. Is the
> Linux on mainframe any more secure than Linux on PC? IMHO the difference
> is none or very small.
> /endsnip
>
> Sorry ... Linux did not enter the picture till recently but FWIW, Linux is
> still a hell of a lot better than WinBlows.

I think you missed the point. "mainframe" could mean Linux, and "PC" 
could mean Linux also! PC <> Windows. So: Is the Linux on z any better 
than Linux on PC?





> /snip
> 2. Usually "mainframe systems" are big, very big or huge installations
> when compared to PC installations. There is no reason to compare small
> PC server in small company to huge financial system.
> /endsnip
>
> My apologies ... I was not comparing but you are very correct ... there
> is no comparison. As I've said before  I like PC's for what they
> were engineered for .. to be a 'personal computer' ... they were 'never'
> designed, architected or built to be a 'business' computer. Hang on ..
> what's this discussion about ?? .. I agree that 'mainframe systems' are
> meant for big, very big or huge installations ... e.g. ... any business !!.
>
> Please tell me again, why we are talking about 'small PCs' for a 'business'
> purpose ... unless of course, it's a small mom and pop shop !!.

Not every business is big enough to justify ht costs of mainframe. Even 
a shop needs some computer today. There is no reason to blame small 
business or medium one. Vast majority of small business use PC or no 
computers at all. Some of them use non-Windows systems (read: Linux). 
BTW: In Poland any business need to have Windows.

Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Jim Thomas]

Radoslaw, 

Forgive me ... I am not sure about non-US business any longer
but, formerly, while back home, in the UK, what I did or did not 
do, outside of my work time, was my own choice. 

Perhaps I was just lucky ??. 


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W dniu 2011-08-20 18:00, Eric Bielefeld pisze:
[...]
> One thing about this list always bothered me. A small percent of
> contributers, such as zMan, don't give their name. I'm sure many people
> have good reasons. It's just harder to accept as fact emails from
> someone who remains anonymous.
>
> Eric Bielefeld
> Sr. Systems Programmer

As Eric stated, many people have good reasons to remain anonymous (for 
example stupid boss, silly company policies, etc.). In my opinion it's 
much better to use some nickname (like zMan) than to use fake name (like 
John Smith). For the first case you know he wants to be anonymous, for 
the second one you don't know anything.

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Re: CLOCK change problem

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

My apologies ... 'so desu ne' ?? .. chinese ?? .. 

Forgive me .. aside from Japanese, I also knew Mandarin but 
'so desu ne' is Japanese ... and essentially it just means 
that you're agreeing (indifferently). 

I'm just confused why you mentioned Chinese ... I'm sorry...
I used to versant in about eight or nine languages (in a 
previous lifetime) but .. have not touched them (save but 
for a few words every now and then) for well over two decades.   

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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:09 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem

On 8/21/2011 12:32 AM, Jim Thomas wrote:
> Hai Shidoshi ...
>
> Watashi o keihatsu shite itadaki arigatogozaimasu.
>
> Watashi wa sore o shitte ita koto ga nai.
>
> Watashi wa nipponjin de wa nai asa ga nai 
>
>
> I'm sorry .. I just could not resist ... :-)
>

But it should have been Chinese instead of Japanese,
so desu ne? (そですね)


> Kind Regards
>
> Jim Thomas
> 617-233-4130 (mobile)
> 636-294-1014(res)
> j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
> Of Binyamin Dissen
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:18:28 -0500 Jim Thomas
> wrote:
>
> :>Switch ?? .. as in a command or a bit ?.
>
> A physical switch, young grasshopper. It had to be in the enable position.
>
> No idea how it is done nowadays. Have not IPLed a real machine in a long
> time.
>
> :>Default STPMODE is YES and were it set to NO .. he would
> :>not get this prompt. That said, he should not set STPMODE
> :>to NO unless he is prepared to go to STP.
>
> :>-Original Message-
> :>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf
> :>Of Binyamin Dissen
> :>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:56 AM
> :>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> :>Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
> :>
> :>On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:25:59 +0200 Alvaro Guirao Lopez
> :>  wrote:
> :>
> :>:>I have z/OS V1R11, I have changed CLOCK to  OPERATOR PROMPT to change
> the
> :>:>local and UTC/GMT hour.
> :>
> :>:>Whe I IPLed the system it prompt reply
> :>
> :>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
> :>:>   IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR UTC/LOCAL
> :>TIME
> :>
> :>:>I reply with
> :>
> :>:>R 00,DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.35.00,UTC
> :>
> :>:>Then system issues IEA903A to reply U when the time ocurrs, I reply at
> the
> :>:>time:
> :>
> :>:>R 00,U
> :>
> :>:>and then appears again the CLOCK without my change
> :>
> :>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
> :>:>   IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR UTC/LOCAL
> :>TIME
> :>
> :>There used to be a switch to allow the TOD to be altered.
> :>
> :>How does the STP affect this?
>
> --
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>
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>
>
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>
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>


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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

LMAO !! .. actually .. this only happened twice ... none the 
Less ... in this day and age of buzz word proliferation,
... technically ... I was not canned ... I was PUSHED to a point
where I'd retaliate ... :-) just so that my manager at the time
could justify her inferiority complex and the sheer lack of 
anything that resembled a brain. 

The other time was when my then director (who disliked the fact 
that I was versed in assembler) would constantly make changes to
the system w/out telling anybody. Invariably, I'd get a call (and
this happened almost every day for five years before I got tired) 
every night from operations saying that none of my images would 
come back up after the IPL(lpars back then). When asked why they
IPL'd, they said  ... 'because.. he (my director) told them to'. 

After having gone into work past midnight to fix somebody else's 
screw up for years, I finally told them to call him and get his 
arse into the office and that I was going to hang up the phone and
leave it off the hook. 

The result was that I had a 'dead' shop for just over a day or so 
(call it a LONG maint. Window ??) ... The first few times that this
had happened, two VP's interfered and chewed out most of my then 
directors already nonexistent arse ... I was then told (by both VP's)
to revoke my director's id ... but .. stupid me .. I did not ... 

Ahh ... what games we play ... :-) 

Sayy whatever happened to the plain simple world of English ?? :-) 

(okay ... time to ROFL now ..). 

Kind Regards

Jim Thomas
617-233-4130 (mobile)
636-294-1014(res)
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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jim Thomas
> 
> Sir,
> 
> I must have been was 'really disliked' ... been let go a lot more
> than that but have, on two occasions, actually lost network / MVS
> access even before I was 'told' in fact .. on one occasion,
> they actually changed my network (local in this example) password
> and after my 'screen saver' came on ... I could not even get back
> into my work PC ... :-)
> 
> That said, in all honesty, I had actually pushed it so I expected
> It ... oh well ...  :-)

I've only been "canned" once  But it made headline news around the
U.S. (and possibly the world) for a few days, at least.  :-)  

Hints:  August 3 - 6, 1981.  "Boss" was the President of the U.S.

> ROFL !!.

Indeed!

> I really and honestly do not mean to put anybody down or be
> dis-respectful but there are two characteristics that I absolutely
> abhor .. and even more so when it comes from my supposed management.
> 
> I absolutely detest and abhor both, liars and brown nose'ers.

Likewise.  And that just about sums up my opinion of CONgress.

-jc-

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Re: CLOCK change problem

[Jim Thomas]

Sir,

Pardon me but I beg to differ ... they are both essentially 
the same but could be used in different responses.  

Kind Regards

Jim Thomas
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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jim Thomas
> 
> Hai Shidoshi ...
> 
> Watashi o keihatsu shite itadaki arigatogozaimasu.

You misspelled "Watak[u]shi"

-jc-

> 
> Watashi wa sore o shitte ita koto ga nai.
> 
> Watashi wa nipponjin de wa nai asa ga nai 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry .. I just could not resist ... :-)
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Jim Thomas
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> 636-294-1014(res)
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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Behalf
> Of Binyamin Dissen
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
> 
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:18:28 -0500 Jim Thomas

> wrote:
> 
> :>Switch ?? .. as in a command or a bit ?.
> 
> A physical switch, young grasshopper. It had to be in the enable
position.
> 
> No idea how it is done nowadays. Have not IPLed a real machine in a
long
> time.
> 
> :>Default STPMODE is YES and were it set to NO .. he would
> :>not get this prompt. That said, he should not set STPMODE
> :>to NO unless he is prepared to go to STP.
> 
> :>-Original Message-
> :>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf
> :>Of Binyamin Dissen
> :>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:56 AM
> :>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> :>Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
> :>
> :>On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:25:59 +0200 Alvaro Guirao Lopez
> :> wrote:
> :>
> :>:>I have z/OS V1R11, I have changed CLOCK to  OPERATOR PROMPT to
change
> the
> :>:>local and UTC/GMT hour.
> :>
> :>:>Whe I IPLed the system it prompt reply
> :>
> :>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
> :>:>  IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR
UTC/LOCAL
> :>TIME
> :>
> :>:>I reply with
> :>
> :>:>R 00,DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.35.00,UTC
> :>
> :>:>Then system issues IEA903A to reply U when the time ocurrs, I
reply at
> the
> :>:>time:
> :>
> :>:>R 00,U
> :>
> :>:>and then appears again the CLOCK without my change
> :>
> :>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
> :>:>  IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR
UTC/LOCAL
> :>TIME
> :>
> :>There used to be a switch to allow the TOD to be altered.
> :>
> :>How does the STP affect this?
> 
> --
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> 
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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[zMan]

Just because, as we all know because Tracy Walter told us in Repo Man,
the universe is controlled by a lattice of coincidence: this week's
Newsweek has not one but two different mentions of Mitnick (an
interview plus a reference in Joel Stein's column; admittedly, the
latter might have occurred due to the former, but still).
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Re: ASMIDF debugging authorized code

[Knutson, Sam]

I know you have probably heard this already but z/XDC http://www.xdc.com/ does 
this very nicely.
It is well worth the modest price if you need to debug authorized code.

    Best Regards, 

    Sam Knutson, GEICO 
    System z Team Leader 
    mailto:sknut...@geico.com 
    (office)  301.986.3574 
    (cell) 301.996.1318  
    
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Subject: ASMIDF debugging authorized code

Hi,

There was a entry on Dave Alcock HLASM FAQ by Martin Leist about ASMIDF 
debugging authorized code which is was dated 1996-98
I was able to get this done (debugging authorized code ) with the VTAM flavor 
of IDF ASMIDFB which uses 0C1 for interrupts
However I am getting problems with the TSO version ASMIDFB which uses SVC97
I am getting all kinds of errors when trying to invoke ASMIDFB when it is 
re-linked with AC=1 among them 0C3
I am wondering if anyone has had an experiences with IDF and authorized code 
recently

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S.
> 
> [ snip ]
> 
> Not every business is big enough to justify ht costs of mainframe. Even
> a shop needs some computer today. There is no reason to blame small
> business or medium one. Vast majority of small business use PC or no
> computers at all. Some of them use non-Windows systems (read: Linux).
> BTW: In Poland any business need to have Windows. Reason: 'Płatnik'
> application which is only on Windows and is obligatory.

Hmmm  A "Big Brother is watching" kind of application?

-jc-

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
> 
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Chase, John wrote:
> >
> > I've only been "canned" once  But it made headline news around the
> > U.S. (and possibly the world) for a few days, at least.  :-)
> >
> > Hints:  August 3 - 6, 1981.  "Boss" was the President of the U.S.
> >
> Air traffic controllers strike / firing?

DING DING DING DING DING!  We have a winner!

Please select the virtual cigar of your choice from my virtual humidor.  :-)
 
-jc-

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Ed Gould]

 A long time ago the prod/test environment was non existent. Test 
libraries/data was at best a blur. APF libraries were wide open. IOW it was a 
holy mess. Consultats had full blown access to everything. Example on Chistmas 
day the DC was closed. Consultant came in an IPLed the system and I only found 
out as I found a console printout wasn't destroyed. We scanned SMF but 
found out he had turned off SMF. No idea what he did. The results no action.

Ed

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Eric Bielefeld]

I was a contractor for a company that gave me alter access to APF libraries. 
I remember my boss at first giving me very limited access.  Then, after a 
few months when he trusted me, he gave me a lot more access.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer

- Original Message - 
From: "R.S." 
I also know many cases when some contractor(s) did have extraonrdinary 
access to the mainframe system, including, i.e. ALTER to APF libraries. On 
production LPARs. Is such system still very secure? 


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Looking for another large Control-D site

[Willy Jensen]

Hi 
I am having some problems with the BMC product Control-D, mainly concerning 
performance and user-interface, so I wonder if there is someone out there 
willing to have an off-line discussion about that product. 

Cheers
 Willy

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[R.S.]

W dniu 2011-08-20 03:09, Jim Thomas pisze:

/snip

MVS (or OS/390 or z/OS or whatever you want to call it) has
NEVER been hacked or destroyed by an ex employee !!.


How do you know?
Do you expect any financial company to make an advertisement "Hello!
We're open for hackers!". I suspect that no company want do disclose it.

/endsnip

Please tell me of 'one' financial company that has been hacked ... but
remember now .. get rid of the 'non mainframe' environments first !!.
Better yet ... please tell me that you KNOW for a fact that if a financial
company was hacked ... 'nobody' would know ?? .. Do you really believe
that ??. Further, going by your own approach, why then have 'financial' and
other institutions admitted that their wonderful non-mainframe environment
has been 'attacked' or gotten a 'virus' or whatever ??.


Why they did it? Because they have to do it, becuase it was disclosed. 
I'm aware of many 'gotten virus' and other security issues which were 
never ever disclosed to the public. Why? There is (was) no obligation to 
do that (not every 'Watergate' became scandal, some of them remain 
secret). Simple? Oh, I KNOW (read it again: I KNOW) at least one case 
where ex-employe did compromise security of mainframe system (it was 
OS/390). I cannot provide any further details, except the following: it 
was possible because of lacks of proffesionalism of management, 
organisational, and partially RACF administration. In other words it 
wasn't fault of the system itself. And it wasn't disclosed.
I also know many cases when some contractor(s) did have extraonrdinary 
access to the mainframe system, including, i.e. ALTER to APF libraries. 
On production LPARs. Is such system still very secure?







/snip

In fact, let me re-state that .. the mainframes HAVE NEVER
been hacked or destroyed by an ex employee !!.


Well, I know such evidence (maybe it was misuse - it's a matter of
definition of "been hacked"), cannot provide details.
Another, publicly known example: Kevin Mitnick. Obviously he wasn't
ex-employee (is it better?), and he hacked people, not systems. So?
/endsnip

I admit that I have not the foggiest who Kevin Mitnick is ... but bear
with me and I'll find out ... and I'll also find out the circumstances.
That said ... yes, I have had exposure to misuse and in fact, have known
of circumstances where 'A Current' employee has ... umm shall I say ..
embezzled ... forgive me but .. in this context ... we're speaking of
apples and oranges.

I will further admit that I have know of people that use to 'purposefully'
code for abends but then too, that was only because they could be called
on the weekends and hence, justify time that they would ask remuneration
for.




Well, I would suggest to use google or Wikipedia, or better go to the 
bookstore and ask for Mitnick's book. They will know who is it and sell 
you the book. It's worth reading IMHO.







/snip
Some remarks:
1. "Mainframe system" could mean z/OS or poorly configured Linux. Is the
Linux on mainframe any more secure than Linux on PC? IMHO the difference
is none or very small.
/endsnip

Sorry ... Linux did not enter the picture till recently but FWIW, Linux is
still a hell of a lot better than WinBlows.


I think you missed the point. "mainframe" could mean Linux, and "PC" 
could mean Linux also! PC <> Windows. So: Is the Linux on z any better 
than Linux on PC?







/snip
2. Usually "mainframe systems" are big, very big or huge installations
when compared to PC installations. There is no reason to compare small
PC server in small company to huge financial system.
/endsnip

My apologies ... I was not comparing but you are very correct ... there
is no comparison. As I've said before  I like PC's for what they
were engineered for .. to be a 'personal computer' ... they were 'never'
designed, architected or built to be a 'business' computer. Hang on ..
what's this discussion about ?? .. I agree that 'mainframe systems' are
meant for big, very big or huge installations ... e.g. ... any business !!.

Please tell me again, why we are talking about 'small PCs' for a 'business'
purpose ... unless of course, it's a small mom and pop shop !!.


Not every business is big enough to justify ht costs of mainframe. Even 
a shop needs some computer today. There is no reason to blame small 
business or medium one. Vast majority of small business use PC or no 
computers at all. Some of them use non-Windows systems (read: Linux). 
BTW: In Poland any business need to have Windows. Reason: 'Płatnik' 
application which is only on Windows and is obligatory.





/snip
3. Ex-employees hacking, social hacking - that could affect any
platform, the platform resilience play minor role here. Again, usually
the bigger comany the better rules apply.
/endsnip

Really ... must be why most all if not all Winblows environments are
hacked or virused or whatever the devil you want to call it .. on a daily
basis ...


Any proof?


For starters, 'social anything' is NO

Re: Keeping HSA, IODF, and IOCDS Hardware Tokens in SYNC

[Chip Grantham]

Thanks to everyone for the replies.  I carefully went thru my normal 
procedure everything went perfect.  I like the HCD 2.5 panel which shows 
the HSA token like the D IOS,CONFIG command.  Nice improvement. 

I believe the root of my problem was, after building the new IOCDS, 
switching to it. 

Thanks again. 

Chip Grantham  |  Ameritas  |  Sr. IT Consultant | cgrant...@ameritas.com 
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Chip -

Is this out-of-sync condition a pervasive problem for you ? By design, the 
hardware tokens are always in sync whether the configuration is loaded via 
CPC ACTIVATE (POR) or Dynamic Activation. The only 'out-of-sync' condition 
you may experience is the hardware (CSS) token and the software (OS) which 
isn't really a token. These should both always be in sync following a POR 
for every LPAR on the CPC. Following a Dynamic Activation on any given 
LPAR, simply perform a corresponding 'software-only' dynamic activation of 
the same IODF on all other LPARs on that CPC. This will put the hardware 
and software configurations 'back in sync'.

As an aside, if you make hardware-only changes and perform a dynamic 
activation, all the LPARs on the CPC function under that change without a 
corresponding 'software activation' being performed since it effects the 
hardware (CSS) which is global to the CPC. If you haven't made a change to 
the software (OS), the software-only activation is functionally 
unnecessary. In any event, be certain that all LPARs on the CPC have 
access to the dynamically activated IODF. 

Frank.

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I seem to always run the risk of getting the hardware tokens out of sync. 
Can someone point me to some good reading on keeping them in sync? 

Thanks,

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Re: Get a user password from RACF.

[Matan Cohen]

this was clear form me , I misused the word hash .
basically in the open-system when encrypting a password , the literature
describe the encryption method use , and you can also found the mathematical
function used in the encryption .


regarding comments like :
"Would you mind telling us which bank you are trying to hack?

Jantje."
curiosity only !
I have learned in the past the encryption history and common used method and
still have alot of interest in this subject .
Beside it I never really started checked how this issue implemented on z/OS
.





On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Tom Russell wrote:

> There is no command that will get a Password from RACF.  You can reset it
> to a known value if you have authority, but you can not display it.
>
> Your assumption that there is hash of the password is incorrect.  RACF
> encrypts the user ID with the password, and the resultant ciphertext is all
> that is stored in the RACF data set.  This is done so that neither the user
> ID nor the password is stored in the clear for perusal by hackers on the
> RACF data set, or more likely on a backup copy.
>
> regards, Tom
>
> On 2011-08-19 12:00 AM, IBM-MAIN automatic digest system wrote:
>
>> Date:Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:20:42 -0400
>> From:"Chicklon, Thomas"
>> Subject: Re: Get a user password from RACF.
>>
>>
>> I am not aware of this being documented anywhere. Maybe someone else can
>> jump in with that info if they have it.
>>
>> Tom Chicklon
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> thanks ,
>> Is the literature specifying the HASH algurithm and where the HASH
>> password
>> is located?
>>
>
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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[R.S.]

W dniu 2011-08-20 18:00, Eric Bielefeld pisze:
[...]

One thing about this list always bothered me. A small percent of
contributers, such as zMan, don't give their name. I'm sure many people
have good reasons. It's just harder to accept as fact emails from
someone who remains anonymous.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer


As Eric stated, many people have good reasons to remain anonymous (for 
example stupid boss, silly company policies, etc.). In my opinion it's 
much better to use some nickname (like zMan) than to use fake name (like 
John Smith). For the first case you know he wants to be anonymous, for 
the second one you don't know anything.


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Re: UCAT allocation to CATALOG task

[Joel C. Ewing]

On 08/21/2011 02:09 AM, Anthony Fletcher wrote:

Does anyone on the list remember advice that a change occurred with z/OS 1.11 
that might result in UCATs being allocated to the CATALOG task under z/OS 1.11 
early on in IPL, when this almost certainly as not happening under z/OS 1.10?
We have been upgrading a 3-LPAR non-SYSPLEX system from z/OS 1.10 to 1.11, and 
didn't have any problems with the first two, but in the last one ended up in a 
VARY OFFLINE PENDING situation when a volume was varied offline.
The system is not a sysplex but does share several volumes across the LPARS.
A F CATALOG,UNALLOCATE(catname) command did unallocate the catalog and the 
allocation against the volume that we wanted t take offline.


...
At least during normal system operation a UCAT is only allocated if 
there is a reference that requires it to be opened, and it tends to stay 
open and allocated at that point even if not needed.  If you are certain 
it is not needed, try closing the UCAT first
(F CATALOG,CLOSE(catname) and then see if you can UNALLOCATE it.  You 
can't un-allocate while it is still open.


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ASMIDF debugging authorized code

[Micheal Butz]

Hi,

 

There was a entry on Dave Alcock HLASM FAQ by Martin Leist about ASMIDF
debugging authorized code which is was dated 1996-98

 

I was able to get this done (debugging authorized code ) with the VTAM
flavor of IDF ASMIDFB which uses 0C1 for interrupts

 

However I am getting problems with the TSO version ASMIDFB which uses SVC97

 

I am getting all kinds of errors when trying to invoke ASMIDFB when it is
re-linked with AC=1 among them 0C3

 

I am wondering if anyone has had an experiences with IDF and authorized code
recently

 

 

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Re: CLOCK change problem

[Steve Comstock]

On 8/21/2011 4:34 AM, Chase, John wrote:

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jim Thomas

Hai Shidoshi ...

Watashi o keihatsu shite itadaki arigatogozaimasu.


You misspelled "Watak[u]shi"


No. Watashi is a common form of watakushi. It's fine.



 -jc-



Watashi wa sore o shitte ita koto ga nai.

Watashi wa nipponjin de wa nai asa ga nai 


I'm sorry .. I just could not resist ... :-)

Kind Regards

Jim Thomas
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636-294-1014(res)
j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email)


-Original Message-
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Behalf

Of Binyamin Dissen
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:18:28 -0500 Jim Thomas



wrote:

:>Switch ?? .. as in a command or a bit ?.

A physical switch, young grasshopper. It had to be in the enable

position.


No idea how it is done nowadays. Have not IPLed a real machine in a

long

time.

:>Default STPMODE is YES and were it set to NO .. he would
:>not get this prompt. That said, he should not set STPMODE
:>to NO unless he is prepared to go to STP.

:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf
:>Of Binyamin Dissen
:>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:56 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
:>Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
:>
:>On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:25:59 +0200 Alvaro Guirao Lopez
:>  wrote:
:>
:>:>I have z/OS V1R11, I have changed CLOCK to  OPERATOR PROMPT to

change

the
:>:>local and UTC/GMT hour.
:>
:>:>Whe I IPLed the system it prompt reply
:>
:>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
:>:>   IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR

UTC/LOCAL

:>TIME
:>
:>:>I reply with
:>
:>:>R 00,DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.35.00,UTC
:>
:>:>Then system issues IEA903A to reply U when the time ocurrs, I

reply at

the
:>:>time:
:>
:>:>R 00,U
:>
:>:>and then appears again the CLOCK without my change
:>
:>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
:>:>   IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR

UTC/LOCAL

:>TIME
:>
:>There used to be a switch to allow the TOD to be altered.
:>
:>How does the STP affect this?

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Re: CLOCK change problem

[Steve Comstock]

On 8/21/2011 12:32 AM, Jim Thomas wrote:

Hai Shidoshi ...

Watashi o keihatsu shite itadaki arigatogozaimasu.

Watashi wa sore o shitte ita koto ga nai.

Watashi wa nipponjin de wa nai asa ga nai 


I'm sorry .. I just could not resist ... :-)



But it should have been Chinese instead of Japanese,
so desu ne? (そですね)



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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
Of Binyamin Dissen
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:18:28 -0500 Jim Thomas
wrote:

:>Switch ?? .. as in a command or a bit ?.

A physical switch, young grasshopper. It had to be in the enable position.

No idea how it is done nowadays. Have not IPLed a real machine in a long
time.

:>Default STPMODE is YES and were it set to NO .. he would
:>not get this prompt. That said, he should not set STPMODE
:>to NO unless he is prepared to go to STP.

:>-Original Message-
:>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf
:>Of Binyamin Dissen
:>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:56 AM
:>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
:>Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
:>
:>On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:25:59 +0200 Alvaro Guirao Lopez
:>  wrote:
:>
:>:>I have z/OS V1R11, I have changed CLOCK to  OPERATOR PROMPT to change
the
:>:>local and UTC/GMT hour.
:>
:>:>Whe I IPLed the system it prompt reply
:>
:>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
:>:>   IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR UTC/LOCAL
:>TIME
:>
:>:>I reply with
:>
:>:>R 00,DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.35.00,UTC
:>
:>:>Then system issues IEA903A to reply U when the time ocurrs, I reply at
the
:>:>time:
:>
:>:>R 00,U
:>
:>:>and then appears again the CLOCK without my change
:>
:>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
:>:>   IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR UTC/LOCAL
:>TIME
:>
:>There used to be a switch to allow the TOD to be altered.
:>
:>How does the STP affect this?

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Mike Schwab]

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Chase, John  wrote:
>
> I've only been "canned" once  But it made headline news around the
> U.S. (and possibly the world) for a few days, at least.  :-)
>
> Hints:  August 3 - 6, 1981.  "Boss" was the President of the U.S.
>
Air traffic controllers strike / firing?

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Re: Security is fun in the PC world....

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jim Thomas
> 
> Sir,
> 
> I must have been was 'really disliked' ... been let go a lot more
> than that but have, on two occasions, actually lost network / MVS
> access even before I was 'told' in fact .. on one occasion,
> they actually changed my network (local in this example) password
> and after my 'screen saver' came on ... I could not even get back
> into my work PC ... :-)
> 
> That said, in all honesty, I had actually pushed it so I expected
> It ... oh well ...  :-)

I've only been "canned" once  But it made headline news around the
U.S. (and possibly the world) for a few days, at least.  :-)  

Hints:  August 3 - 6, 1981.  "Boss" was the President of the U.S.

> ROFL !!.

Indeed!

> I really and honestly do not mean to put anybody down or be
> dis-respectful but there are two characteristics that I absolutely
> abhor .. and even more so when it comes from my supposed management.
> 
> I absolutely detest and abhor both, liars and brown nose'ers.

Likewise.  And that just about sums up my opinion of CONgress.

-jc-

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Re: CLOCK change problem

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jim Thomas
> 
> Hai Shidoshi ...
> 
> Watashi o keihatsu shite itadaki arigatogozaimasu.

You misspelled "Watak[u]shi"

-jc-

> 
> Watashi wa sore o shitte ita koto ga nai.
> 
> Watashi wa nipponjin de wa nai asa ga nai 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry .. I just could not resist ... :-)
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Jim Thomas
> 617-233-4130 (mobile)
> 636-294-1014(res)
> j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf
> Of Binyamin Dissen
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:47 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
> 
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:18:28 -0500 Jim Thomas

> wrote:
> 
> :>Switch ?? .. as in a command or a bit ?.
> 
> A physical switch, young grasshopper. It had to be in the enable
position.
> 
> No idea how it is done nowadays. Have not IPLed a real machine in a
long
> time.
> 
> :>Default STPMODE is YES and were it set to NO .. he would
> :>not get this prompt. That said, he should not set STPMODE
> :>to NO unless he is prepared to go to STP.
> 
> :>-Original Message-
> :>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf
> :>Of Binyamin Dissen
> :>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:56 AM
> :>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> :>Subject: Re: CLOCK change problem
> :>
> :>On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:25:59 +0200 Alvaro Guirao Lopez
> :> wrote:
> :>
> :>:>I have z/OS V1R11, I have changed CLOCK to  OPERATOR PROMPT to
change
> the
> :>:>local and UTC/GMT hour.
> :>
> :>:>Whe I IPLed the system it prompt reply
> :>
> :>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
> :>:>  IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR
UTC/LOCAL
> :>TIME
> :>
> :>:>I reply with
> :>
> :>:>R 00,DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.35.00,UTC
> :>
> :>:>Then system issues IEA903A to reply U when the time ocurrs, I
reply at
> the
> :>:>time:
> :>
> :>:>R 00,U
> :>
> :>:>and then appears again the CLOCK without my change
> :>
> :>:>* 00  IEA888A UTC DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=11.30.00
> :>:>  IEA888A LOCAL DATE=2011.231,CLOCK=13.30.00 REPLY U, OR
UTC/LOCAL
> :>TIME
> :>
> :>There used to be a switch to allow the TOD to be altered.
> :>
> :>How does the STP affect this?
> 
> --
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> 
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UCAT allocation to CATALOG task

[Anthony Fletcher]

Does anyone on the list remember advice that a change occurred with z/OS 1.11 
that might result in UCATs being allocated to the CATALOG task under z/OS 1.11 
early on in IPL, when this almost certainly as not happening under z/OS 1.10?
We have been upgrading a 3-LPAR non-SYSPLEX system from z/OS 1.10 to 1.11, and 
didn't have any problems with the first two, but in the last one ended up in a 
VARY OFFLINE PENDING situation when a volume was varied offline. 
The system is not a sysplex but does share several volumes across the LPARS.
A F CATALOG,UNALLOCATE(catname) command did unallocate the catalog and the 
allocation against the volume that we wanted t take offline.

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