SV: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Hear, hear ! ;) -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Edward Jaffe Skickat: den 25 maj 2007 02:07 Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Ämne: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? Kenneth E Tomiak wrote: [snip] Since others recognize the sleezy practice I now will tell my colleagues to avoid them. And start a web page with them on top. You guys have way too much time on your hands. If WaveMind's spam managed to get past our SpamBlocker, I probably deleted their solicitation without a second thought. After reading this thread I'm asking myself, Which is more aggravating? Having to delete WaveMind's solicitation with a single key stroke? Or wading through 50+ posts on IBM-Main complaining about it? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/24/2007 at 09:23 PM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Which, according to an American lawyer I know, is bogus. The law was never passed (as of a year ago). Which law did he cite? S1648? The Murkowski bill was not passed, but you CAN-SPAM (S877) was passed. Of course, nowhere in it does it either define spam or legalize it. Unsolicited e-mail is SPAM. Well, unsolicited bulk e-mail. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/24/2007 at 04:42 PM, Neil Duffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: An', yes, he did mention, As an FYI, by law this email is not spam. along with the Congress citation. So he's not only spamming, he's also lying to you. S877 says no such thing. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/24/2007 at 05:42 PM, Thompson, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: While you and I agree it is SPAM, the U CAN SPAM act was passed into law -- perhaps it is not the bill our friend has quoted, but never-the-less it was passed into law. Alas, yes, but S977 does *not* define spam and does *not* legalizes it. What it does do is nullify various state laws that had provided statutory damages and a right to private action. The U CAN SPAM act basically says that if you do not commit fraud with your subject line.opt out directions Then you too can SPAM in the USofA. No, it doesn't. It just makes legal action more difficult. So much for trespass to chattel That isn't affected; S877 only overrides state laws that are specific to e-mail. The problem is that unless you are a large provider a law suit for theft by conversion, theft of service or trespass to chattel will cost you more than the damages you recover. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/24/2007 at 06:13 PM, Kenneth E Tomiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Wavemind replied: I will honor your request and remove your contact from my list. As an FYI, by law this email is not spam. Rule 1: spammers lie. Under Bills.1618 Title III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress It wasn't passed. this mail cannot be considered Spam It didn't say that. So all of the stigmata of a classic Murk are in place: citing as law a bill that was never passed and lying about what the bill said. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Rick, I'll be stuck with it soon myself. I'm transferring to our Santa Clara headquarters next week. I hope no-one beats me up for taking a job from an American... Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2007 1:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? snip--- As is my want, I always respond with a terse opinion of spam when it appears to be a real email address. His response is that some wacko bill in the US defines it as non-spam because it has unsubscribe tagged to the bottom. Seeing as I am in Hong Kong, he needs to check the section of this country's legislation that discusses address harvesting and sending more than 100 emails in 24 hours. Spam is spam is spam. unsnip Ron, I tend to share that opinion. Junk mail is still junk, even with that unsubscribe crap. That last little tag just verifies that the address is good and a valid target for more crap. I always tell folks that the unsubscribe tag will cause more spam, not less; just ignore it. Here in the US, we're stuck with a know nothing, spend everything Congress. If ignorance is bliss, those people should be in seventh heaven! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
All, Finger check. This was supposed to be a private reply to Rick. I know there are people on this list with some employment challenges, and please don't think this was smart-ass comment meant to offend anyone. It was a sincere response. My comment was genuine and I'm looking forward to enjoying life in Northern California. Anyway, now you all know I'm coming I look forward to meeting those of you living around San Jose. I'm sure I'll find some of you at the local CMG and Share meetings. I may pass up on the spammer though... Ron -Original Message- From: Ron Hawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2007 3:52 PM To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? Rick, I'll be stuck with it soon myself. I'm transferring to our Santa Clara headquarters next week. I hope no-one beats me up for taking a job from an American... Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2007 1:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? snip--- As is my want, I always respond with a terse opinion of spam when it appears to be a real email address. His response is that some wacko bill in the US defines it as non-spam because it has unsubscribe tagged to the bottom. Seeing as I am in Hong Kong, he needs to check the section of this country's legislation that discusses address harvesting and sending more than 100 emails in 24 hours. Spam is spam is spam. unsnip Ron, I tend to share that opinion. Junk mail is still junk, even with that unsubscribe crap. That last little tag just verifies that the address is good and a valid target for more crap. I always tell folks that the unsubscribe tag will cause more spam, not less; just ignore it. Here in the US, we're stuck with a know nothing, spend everything Congress. If ignorance is bliss, those people should be in seventh heaven! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Me too. I thought they got a copy of the WAVV registration list because I get a lot of unwanted solicitations right after WAVV every year. -- Bill Dodge email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (703)627-2455 If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there. Lewis Carroll If you don't know where you are, a map won't help Unknown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:44:22 -0500, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did and forwarded it to Darren. Too late. They already accomplished what they wanted to - even if Darren removes them now. That also won't keep them from spamming in the future unless we all change our email addresses. Unfortunately, there is nothing Darren can do about someone legitimately subscribing to IBM-MAIN and spamming the other subscribers. Safe to say I would never consider giving them any business and I'm sure most if not all the other spam-ees feel the same. BTW, we don't need another 100 posts saying I got one too. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? Yes. Added to my junk-mail filter. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? As is my want, I always respond with a terse opinion of spam when it appears to be a real email address. His response is that some wacko bill in the US defines it as non-spam because it has unsubscribe tagged to the bottom. SNIP It *was* a wacko bill that has become wacko law. Affectionately known as the U Can Spam Act, which gutted anti-spam laws of the various states (of the USofA). Regards, Steve Thompson -- Std Disclaimer: poster's opinions may not be that of poster's employer -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
On May 24, 2007, at 2:52 AM, Ron Hawkins wrote: Rick, I'll be stuck with it soon myself. I'm transferring to our Santa Clara headquarters next week. I hope no-one beats me up for taking a job from an American... Ron Is it too late to change our immigration laws:) ? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
On May 24, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: - SNIP-- --- Too late. They already accomplished what they wanted to - even if Darren removes them now. That also won't keep them from spamming in the future unless we all change our email addresses. Unfortunately, there is nothing Darren can do about someone legitimately subscribing to IBM-MAIN and spamming the other subscribers. Safe to say I would never consider giving them any business and I'm sure most if not all the other spam-ees feel the same. BTW, we don't need another 100 posts saying I got one too. Mark Mark, I think that it is probably true. However it might help him figure out how they got the addresses. If not well at least Darren knows about it and might be able to stop it in the future. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Yes, I have received the same. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
In a message dated 5/24/2007 7:42:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Safe to say I would never consider giving them any business and I'm sure most if not all the other spam-ees feel the same. BTW, we don't need another 100 posts saying I got one too. Off to the ophthalmologists for rest of morning, but it's just 'spam to harvest'. If they were legit, they'd subscribe and post 'til their hearts content. Good stuff, bad stuff, retroreflactulance...They bad news is these lists are traded like bubble gum cards for profit and more spamListserv has some smarts in this respect but until the filters and spam blockers kick in it's just duck and run ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
On Wed, 23 May 2007 16:18:48 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- YES.yesterday afternoon from a Robert Fairchild: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Yes, I did, and I don't appreciate things like this. This list, to me, is a source of problem/idea interaction, not a means to plug one's business or drum up new clients (with some exceptions for certain list members that contribute much more than they advertise). Chuck -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
I would suspect they got the addresses from the membership list. I do not have the luxury of attending these outside meetings so the only thing I really have in common with the vast majority of everyone else here is this list. Chuck -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? On May 24, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: - SNIP-- --- Too late. They already accomplished what they wanted to - even if Darren removes them now. That also won't keep them from spamming in the future unless we all change our email addresses. Unfortunately, there is nothing Darren can do about someone legitimately subscribing to IBM-MAIN and spamming the other subscribers. Safe to say I would never consider giving them any business and I'm sure most if not all the other spam-ees feel the same. BTW, we don't need another 100 posts saying I got one too. Mark Mark, I think that it is probably true. However it might help him figure out how they got the addresses. If not well at least Darren knows about it and might be able to stop it in the future. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
On Wed, 23 May 2007 19:12:57 -0400, Bob Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're spamming the postership. This address got the spam but my work address, which is subscribed but almost never posted from, did not. If so, it's an old postership, since I haven't posted here for quite some time, and I got one. They claim to be an IBM Business Partner. I wonder if IBM would be interested to know that thay are partnering with spammers. Well, I doubt they care. Speaking of postership, I see IBM is (physically) postering building sites these days. Something that was once thought to be vandalism is now just an ordinary business practice since the Supreme Court ruled that postering is a right. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Tony Harminc wrote: They claim to be an IBM Business Partner. I wonder if IBM would be interested to know that thay are partnering with spammers. Partnering with???!! I get *lots* of unsolicited email from IBM for product announcements, seminars, webcasts, etc. The ones I find most offensive are the product advertisements thinly disguised as white papers. Who do they think they're fooling? Or, a better question might be, who *are* they fooling? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/23/2007 at 09:43 PM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Two, in fact. Yet another company to ignore. Oh, I won't ignore it; I'll complain to his Internet providers. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/24/2007 at 12:42 PM, Ron Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As is my want, I always respond with a terse opinion of spam when it appears to be a real email address. His response is that some wacko bill in the US defines it as non-spam because it has unsubscribe tagged to the bottom. That's what antispammers refer to as a Murk; the bill says no such thing. Rule 1: spammers lie. Rule 2: if you think that a spammer might be telling the truth, see Rule 1. It's true that S877 removed the right to private action against spammers that was in some US state laws, but it did *not* define spam and it did *not* legalize it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
On 2007.05.24, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz [EMAIL PROTECTED] main.lst wrote about Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM- MAIN readership? to IBM-Main: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/23/2007 at 09:43 PM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Two, in fact. Yet another company to ignore. Oh, I won't ignore it; I'll complain to his Internet providers. I didn't go that far but elected to focus on the economic jugular: I will be sure to advise all my managers and any other IBM Business partners we deal with to ignore all solicitations from this company for its practice of spam e-mail. An', yes, he did mention, As an FYI, by law this email is not spam. along with the Congress citation. -- signature = 6 lines follows -- Neil Duffee, Joe SysProg, U d'Ottawa, Ottawa, Ont, Canada telephone:1 613 562 5800 x4585 fax:1 613 562 5161 mailto:NDuffee of uOttawa.ca http:/ /aix1.uottawa.ca/ ~nduffee How *do* you plan for something like that? Guardian Bob, Reboot For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. Systems Programming: Guilty, until proven innocent John Norgauer 2004 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
As an FYI, by law this email is not spam. along with the Congress citation. Which, according to an American lawyer I know, is bogus. The law was never passed (as of a year ago). Unsolicited e-mail is SPAM. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? As an FYI, by law this email is not spam. along with the Congress citation. Which, according to an American lawyer I know, is bogus. The law was never passed (as of a year ago). Unsolicited e-mail is SPAM. SNIP While you and I agree it is SPAM, the U CAN SPAM act was passed into law -- perhaps it is not the bill our friend has quoted, but never-the-less it was passed into law. After that happened, I quit battling SPAM and just basically deleted it. The U CAN SPAM act basically says that if you do not commit fraud with your subject line.opt out directions Then you too can SPAM in the USofA. This overroad the various states' anti-spam statutes. So much for trespass to chattel (or whatever that legal doctine was). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) I told them: I would not contract with any organization that culls email addresses from just anywhere. I do add them to my list and warn colleagues of the shameful practice of harvesting they employ. Wavemind replied: I will honor your request and remove your contact from my list. As an FYI, by law this email is not spam. Under Bills.1618 Title III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress this mail cannot be considered Spam as long as we include contact information and a remove link for removal from our mailing list. Thanks, Bob So I replied: I now see not only do you practice harvesting email addresses but have poor judgement as well. I never stated it was spam, I said I would tell my colleagues that your firm is not one I would do business with because of the scummy way you collect and bombard email addresses with what I consider [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not need legislators telling me what [EMAIL PROTECTED] is. You sent it. Since others recognize the sleezy practice I now will tell my colleagues to avoid them. And start a web page with them on top. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Kenneth E Tomiak wrote: [snip] Since others recognize the sleezy practice I now will tell my colleagues to avoid them. And start a web page with them on top. You guys have way too much time on your hands. If WaveMind's spam managed to get past our SpamBlocker, I probably deleted their solicitation without a second thought. After reading this thread I'm asking myself, Which is more aggravating? Having to delete WaveMind's solicitation with a single key stroke? Or wading through 50+ posts on IBM-Main complaining about it? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
[META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well. me too -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Yes, a few hours ago, and I immediately unsubscribed. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? Yes, I got one of these shortly after posting to the IBMTCP-L group. -- Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
I got one earlier today as well. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2008 - Chattanooga - April 18-22, 2008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? I got one, but I can't tell which list it was based on. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? SNIP Yes, both at my office email and personal emails. Office email was given the PLOP authorization. Regards, Steve Thompson -- Poster's opinions are not necessarily those of poster's employer -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
On Wed, 23 May 2007 16:18:48 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? I got one this morning. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? I received on from this list and not the TCP-L or RACF-L. I thought it was funny that someone would solicit me out of the blue. SNIP Gary Garland Gregory, MS CA Senior Software Engineer Tel: +1-214-473-1863 Fax: +1-214-473-1050 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
They're spamming the postership. This address got the spam but my work address, which is subscribed but almost never posted from, did not. Bob Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
I did and forwarded it to Darren. Ed On May 23, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
I received one too. I spammed him right back by offering *him* the services of my (one-man) consulting firm. :-) - Original Message - From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Two, in fact. Yet another company to ignore. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
I got one today. Found it in my junk email folder, right where it belongs. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 1:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
As is my want, I always respond with a terse opinion of spam when it appears to be a real email address. His response is that some wacko bill in the US defines it as non-spam because it has unsubscribe tagged to the bottom. Seeing as I am in Hong Kong, he needs to check the section of this country's legislation that discusses address harvesting and sending more than 100 emails in 24 hours. Spam is spam is spam. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Leahy Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2007 9:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? I received one too. I spammed him right back by offering *him* the services of my (one-man) consulting firm. :-) - Original Message - From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership? I just received two e-mails from WaveMind with the subject Need help on your IBM Mainframe project?, one addressed to an address that I use only for IBM-MAIN. Nothing in the message suggests that it is in response to anything specific that I posted. Has anybody else received these? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [META] Is WaveMind spamming entire IBM-MAIN readership?
snip--- As is my want, I always respond with a terse opinion of spam when it appears to be a real email address. His response is that some wacko bill in the US defines it as non-spam because it has unsubscribe tagged to the bottom. Seeing as I am in Hong Kong, he needs to check the section of this country's legislation that discusses address harvesting and sending more than 100 emails in 24 hours. Spam is spam is spam. unsnip Ron, I tend to share that opinion. Junk mail is still junk, even with that unsubscribe crap. That last little tag just verifies that the address is good and a valid target for more crap. I always tell folks that the unsubscribe tag will cause more spam, not less; just ignore it. Here in the US, we're stuck with a know nothing, spend everything Congress. If ignorance is bliss, those people should be in seventh heaven! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
