Don't like.
The new listserv. Fonts, layout, etc. Yuk. :( -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: >The new listserv. Fonts, layout, etc. Yuk. :( I like the fact that when I hover my mouse pointer over the subject line in the list of topics, the post content appears in a small movable temporary pop-up screen which disappears immediately when I move my rat, oops, mouse, somewhere. I like the wider message text window where I can enter my comments. It is very nice! Some things I don't like: The column's width are still fixed. I can't adjust them. The from and date fields have too many white spaces to the right. The subject column width is too small. I seemed to be unable to use 'Quote Original text' function as it was available in the previous version. I had to manually copy and paste the text from Mary above here into this message box. Oh, come on Darren, please bring back the 'Quote Original text' function back! Ok, enough ranting... :-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:24:35 -0500, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: >The new listserv. Fonts, layout, etc. Yuk. :( > If you're referring to the appearance using the web interfaces to the list archive, you can change some of the appearance using the preferences link on the right side of the page. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
Agreed on all of your points, Elardus. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:51:24 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >I seemed to be unable to use 'Quote Original text' function as it was >available in the previous version. There is a graphic on the lower right, above the "send message" button to quote the original message. I haven't figured out how to get rid of the junk on the right when reading a post. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
Tom Marchant wrote: >>I seemed to be unable to use 'Quote Original text' function as it was >>available in the previous version. >There is a graphic on the lower right, above the "send message" button to >quote the original message. Yes! Thanks, after I hovered my rat, oops mouse :-D, over that two green graphic things, I then saw the pop-up help text 'Quote Original Message' . Whew! :-D >I haven't figured out how to get rid of the junk on the right when reading a >post. Ditto. Sometimes I only want to see the text without all that clutter. Tom, many thanks for helping out. It is much appreciated. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
>Yes! Thanks, after I hovered my rat, oops mouse :-D, over that two green >graphic things, I then saw the pop-up help text 'Quote Original Message' . >Whew! :-D And here I thought I was the only one who didn't have a clue how to quote in the new version :-) Barbara -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:51:24 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >Oh, come on Darren, please bring back the 'Quote Original text' function back! Darren does not have to do anything... It is still there. Use the button with the two teardrops just above the 'Send Message' button. Cheers, Jantje. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 05:24:14 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote: >>Yes! Thanks, after I hovered my rat, oops mouse :-D, over that two green >>graphic things, I then saw the pop-up help text 'Quote Original Message' . >>Whew! :-D > >And here I thought I was the only one who didn't have a clue how to quote in >the new version :-) I'm glad to see I wasn't alone in missing that quote button initially, Barbara. I even opened a trouble ticket with the ua.edu help desk, and then a few minutes later discovered what that graphic meant. The "graphic things" are a quotation mark, but it seems hard to figure that out initially. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:36:10 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:51:24 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > >>I seemed to be unable to use 'Quote Original text' function as it was >>available in the previous version. > >There is a graphic on the lower right, above the "send message" button >to quote the original message. > >I haven't figured out how to get rid of the junk on the right when reading a >post. > I didn't work yesterday, so today is my first day using the new web interface (which is how I monitor the archives). My biggest complaint is "lost real estate" (vertical) for viewing the message body as I click "next" to see a next most recent message to ignore. :-) I did find an option on the general preferences under "page title icons" to make them "hidden", and that gave me some back. From what I can tell, comparing to ISPF-L for example (listserv 15.5), there is an extra line above those view options (next, prev, etc.) that says "IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU" and that is taking up more room. Maybe as I catch up on posts from yesterday and play with options I'll find more. I wonder if there is a FAQ or hints/tips etc. for making the appearance more like the previous version that Darren can points us too. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
I hardly ever go to the web site, but on seeing the comments here I headed over to take a look. Not being a regular user it did not strike me as being that different. If there is anything about it that I don't like, it is that I get exactly the same problem that I used to see on the odd occasion on the old version. I go to the archives page and click on a particular month, and it thinks for a while and then brings up a page with a list of posts, but that page is often incomplete. If I click the browser (IE) "back" button and try again, I might get a complete list, or it might be truncated at a different point. Sometimes it takes many attempts to get anything like the whole thing. For example, I just tried for July 2011, and on the first attempt I got only a line with "Logged in as: " with "Basic Mode" over on the right. On the second attempt it got as far as showing the column headers "Subject", "From" etc, but with no posts shown. Third attempt, and it showed four posts, fourth attempt and I finally got what could be a complete list (but perhaps there are still some posts missing at the end). If anything this problem is worse on the new version. As a very infrequent user of those pages, there could be something very basic that I am doing wrong. I once made a half-hearted attempt to see if this was a known issue, but I did not turn anything up. Has anybody else seen this problem, and is there any reason why it would show up more with the new version? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Don't like.
In article <6675795069199427.wa.woodagozemail.com...@bama.ua.edu> you write: >For example, I just tried for July 2011, and on the first attempt I got >only a line with "Logged in as: " with "Basic Mode" over on the >right. On the second attempt it got as far as showing the column headers Try putting yourself in "expert" mode. Click "preferences" near top right. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero & Casey (At the bridge)Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red & Cinnar (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:48:02 -0400, Rich Greenberg wrote: >In article <6675795069199427.wa.woodagozemail.com...@bama.ua.edu> you write: > >>For example, I just tried for July 2011, and on the first attempt I got >>only a line with "Logged in as: " with "Basic Mode" over on the >>right. On the second attempt it got as far as showing the column headers > >Try putting yourself in "expert" mode. Click "preferences" near top >right. > Me, expert? Yeah right! Well, I tried that and it did not seem to make any great difference. I see "UTF-8 | Expert Mode" over on the right now, but the results are still often truncated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:43:22 -0500, Andy Wood wrote: >I hardly ever go to the web site, but on seeing the comments here I headed >over to take a look. > >Not being a regular user it did not strike me as being that different. > >If there is anything about it that I don't like, it is that I get exactly the >same problem that I used to see on the odd occasion on the old version. > >I go to the archives page and click on a particular month, and it thinks for a >while and then brings up a page with a list of posts, but that page is often >incomplete. If I click the browser (IE) "back" button and try again, I might >get a complete list, or it might be truncated at a different point. Sometimes >it takes many attempts to get anything like the whole thing. > >For example, I just tried for July 2011, and on the first attempt I got only a >line with "Logged in as: " with "Basic Mode" over on the right. On the >second attempt it got as far as showing the column headers "Subject", "From" >etc, but with no posts shown. Third attempt, and it showed four posts, fourth >attempt and I finally got what could be a complete list (but perhaps there are >still some posts missing at the end). If anything this problem is worse on the >new version. > >As a very infrequent user of those pages, there could be something very basic >that I am doing wrong. I once made a half-hearted attempt to see if this was a >known issue, but I did not turn anything up. > >Has anybody else seen this problem, and is there any reason why it would show >up more with the new version? I have never had that problem. Must be something about being down under. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:29:25 -0500 Mark Zelden wrote: > On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:43:22 -0500, Andy Wood > wrote: > ... > >I go to the archives page and click on a particular month, and it > >thinks for a while and then brings up a page with a list of posts, > >but that page is often incomplete. If I click the browser (IE) > >"back" button and try again, I might get a complete list, or it > >might be truncated at a different point. Sometimes it takes many > >attempts to get anything like the whole thing. > > I have never had that problem. Must be something about being down > under. :-) Probably is - the pipeline under the ocean can be particularly problematic to American hosted sites from here. Sounds like a classic response time issue. Try watching the scroll-bar on the right - sometimes you can see it adjust as more data comes in. I tend to just hit every few seconds. Probably load related too - instanteous page load at the moment (Sat noon). Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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>The "graphic things" are a quotation mark, but it seems hard to figure that >out initially. It was more intuitive than anything IBM throws at their customers (see SR) :-). I know you're not responsible for SR, Walt! Barbara -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:48:57 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote: >>The "graphic things" are a quotation mark, but it seems hard to figure that >>out initially. > +1 >It was more intuitive than anything IBM throws at their customers (see SR) >:-). I know you're not responsible for SR, Walt! > Maybe it's getting better. It now uses HTTP instead of insisting on HTTPS. But still: o I had the site bookmarked with my user ID in the query_string so it was preset on the login page; all I needed to type was my password. Now I must type both. o I'd like the composition window to use a monospaced font for times when I supply a code example, as earlier today. Perhaps I can profile this, but I don't know how. o It's bandwidth-profligate: 100KB for a 10-line message payload? Sheesh! (We're too accustomed to the demands of streaming video.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:24:35 -0500, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: >The new listserv. Fonts, layout, etc. Yuk. :( > Does Reply "To the Poster" work? I get no confirmation when I click "send". I'm trying to reply to one of my own messages as a test. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:24:35 -0500, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: >The new listserv. Fonts, layout, etc. Yuk. :( > And when I do an Archive Search, I'm presented with a hit list. If I select a hit to view it, then exit back to the hit list, it appears to re-drive the query. How wasteful! (I should remember to open the hit item in a new tab, then to close it.) And is there any way to turn off the preview pop-up on mouse over? Sometimes it's useful; often it's distracting. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 20:52:31 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >And is there any way to turn off the preview pop-up on mouse >over? Sometimes it's useful; often it's distracting. Yes, via the Preferences link in the Options panel on the right side of the page. Probably the "descriptions" setting in the Archive tab, if I remember correctly. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SR - was: Re: Don't like.
>Maybe it's getting better. It now uses HTTP instead of insisting on HTTPS.
Really? After authentification (which *I* would insist on being https) it stays
https for me. Which makes a lot of sense, as we don't want our company's
software problems to become common knowledge.
>o I had the site bookmarked with my user ID in the query_string so it
> was preset on the login page; all I needed to type was my password.
Isn't that a preference set somewhere in the operating system? I never let the
OS 'help' me by remembering my userids. But you're probably not using windoofs,
either :-)
>o I'd like the composition window to use a monospaced font for times
> when I supply a code example, as earlier today. Perhaps I can profile
> this, but I don't know how.
Why should the SR people listen to us? According to them, we're a minority that
only complains!
>o It's bandwidth-profligate: 100KB for a 10-line message payload? Sheesh!
Almost all of IBMs webpages are. Try accessing it on a 45kB line. You might as
well hit your head on a wall immediately! Takes in excess of 5 minutes (and so
it is doubly useless when you have to needlessly click yourself through several
pages before you reach the one you need), and believe me, a 100kB webpage does
NOT take 5 minutes to load. (When it is written by someone who knows what
they're doing.) I always have the impression that IBM is trying to spy on me
and hitting blank walls since I safeguard even my company PC.
As far as I am concerned, they have fixed one or two blatant errors, but they
close their collective ears and eyes to anything regarding usability
('intuitive usage'). Much better to 'educate' customers (as in - tell them
they're just too stupid to understand the grand scheme of their ideas - and do
it in such a way that the customer feels stupid and relents and uses it.)
With the exception of one or two points, *everything* I said back in March
still holds true. And if the rest of you don't start telling the SR people that
my points are valid, then we all will be stuck with an inferior product that
makes our life infinitely harder when we have a problem. At this point, they
consider me the lone dissenter.
Oh well, IBM most probably doesn't *want* customers to open problems. After
all, they don't have problems in their code, right? (All the usual, long-time
IBM suspects from this list excluded, of course!)
Barbara
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Re: SR - was: Re: Don't like.
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:35:00 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:
>
>>o I had the site bookmarked with my user ID in the query_string so it
>> was preset on the login page; all I needed to type was my password.
>
>Isn't that a preference set somewhere in the operating system? I never let the
>OS 'help' me by remembering my userids. But you're probably not using
>windoofs, either :-)
>
The user ID I bookmark is my email address which appears in every
message I post to this list. There's little to gain by protecting it.
I never included my password in the bookmark.
What does "SR" stand for?
>>o It's bandwidth-profligate: 100KB for a 10-line message payload? Sheesh!
>Almost all of IBMs webpages are.
>
There's a joke about a dog, sometimes attributed to George Carlin. The
punch line is "Because he can!" This seems to be the rationale for much
web page engineering.
>As far as I am concerned, they have fixed one or two blatant errors, but they
>close their collective ears and eyes to anything regarding usability
>('intuitive usage'). Much better to 'educate' customers (as in - tell them
>they're just too stupid to understand the grand scheme of their ideas - and do
>it in such a way that the customer feels stupid and relents and uses it.)
>
>With the exception of one or two points, *everything* I said back in March
>still holds true.
>
Cite? Or must I scan the archives?
-- gil
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Re: SR - was: Re: Don't like.
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:35:00 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote: > >>o It's bandwidth-profligate: 100KB for a 10-line message payload? Sheesh! > >Almost all of IBMs webpages are. ... > Speaking of profligacy, it appears that when I do a search, then click on one of the hits to view the page, then click the "Back" button to view the hit list again, LISTSERV re-drives the search. Wasteful. But this may be the fault of my browser. I suppose I must remember to open the page in a new tab, then close that tab. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SR - was: Re: Don't like.
>What does "SR" stand for? 'service request'. It's the replacement tool for ETR IBM forces on us. Note that reporting a bug is now called a 'service request', as in, the customer begs IBM to do something we're entitled to get due to our contracts and the warranty that contract has. >Cite? Or must I scan the archives? Let's see if I am able to cite: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1103&L=ibm-main&T=0&F=&S=&P=625611 http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1103&L=ibm-main&T=0&F=&S=&P=627485 http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1103&L=ibm-main&T=0&F=&S=&P=626861 http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1103&L=ibm-main&T=0&F=&S=&P=626307 http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1103&L=ibm-main&T=0&F=&S=&P=833640 I had broken it into 5 parts because otherwise it would have been too much (about 50 individual points). Also read some of the responses, as one thing was due to my being new with Firefox. Happy reading! :-) Barbara -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
