LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
Good Day To All When I perform a LISTCAT of a specific dsn it does not show the STORAGE GROUP in the SMSDATA field. The dsn is SMS managed and it is being directed correctly to the proper volume. I have the auditors here and I need to prove that the correct STORAGE GROUP is being flagged. Is there a way of showing it on the LISTCAT if not is there another utility that I can use? Below is the result of the LISTCAT: NONVSAM --- ZWA6PWG.CNTL.NTP IN-CAT --- SYS1.ICFCAT.SYSTEM HISTORY DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2008.172 RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 ACCOUNT-INFO---(NULL) SMSDATA STORAGECLASS ---STANDARD MANAGEMENTCLASS---(NULL) DATACLASS (NULL) LBACKUP ---.000. VOLUMES VOLSERNTPPP2 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' FSEQN-- ASSOCIATIONS(NULL) ATTRIBUTES Thanks in advance. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
Thanks to all who responded. The auditor wants to know if the "correct storage group" is being used because he wanted to cross reference with the volume backups. I supplied him with the code (ACS) but it was too "technical" for him. I manually executed the commands D SMS,VOLUME(XXX) followed by the /D SMS,STORGRP(XXX),LISTVOL to list all the volumes that are in the group. Also, I did a "printscreen" of the results from ISMF. I think I won him over. Stay tuned. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:29:27 -0700, willie bunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Thanks to all who responded. The auditor wants to know if the "correct storage group" is being used because he wanted to cross reference with the volume backups. I supplied him with the code (ACS) but it was too "technical" for him. I manually executed the commands D SMS,VOLUME(XXX) followed by the /D SMS,STORGRP(XXX),LISTVOL to list all the volumes that are in the group. Also, I did a "printscreen" of the results from ISMF. I think I won him over. Stay tuned. > You may want to also consider using the DFSORT reporting facility for the DCOLLECT data source. With DCOLLECT (an IDCAMS utility function), you can generate volume-level inventory statistics and in the "VL" record is the STORAGE_GROUP name. Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of willie bunter > > Good Day To All > > When I perform a LISTCAT of a specific dsn it does not show > the STORAGE GROUP in the SMSDATA field. The dsn is SMS > managed and it is being directed correctly to the proper > volume. I have the auditors here and I need to prove that > the correct STORAGE GROUP is being flagged. Is there a way > of showing it on the LISTCAT if not is there another utility > that I can use? > > Below is the result of the LISTCAT: > > NONVSAM --- ZWA6PWG.CNTL.NTP > IN-CAT --- SYS1.ICFCAT.SYSTEM > HISTORY > DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2008.172 > RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 > ACCOUNT-INFO---(NULL) > SMSDATA > STORAGECLASS ---STANDARD MANAGEMENTCLASS---(NULL) > DATACLASS (NULL) LBACKUP ---.000. > VOLUMES > VOLSERNTPPP2 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' FSEQN-- > ASSOCIATIONS(NULL) > ATTRIBUTES > > Thanks in advance. ISMF? What is meant by "correct STORAGE GROUP is being flagged"? If the dataset is "being directed correctly to the proper volume", how could it NOT cause "correct STORAGE GROUP is being flagged"? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
Willie, The storage group is never included in the listcat output. To prove that a given volser is in a certain storage group: Issue command D SMS,VOL(volser) Use quickref Run idcams dcollect STOG(storagegroup) Show them a report from micsdasd if you have it. Navigate to ISMF panel that lists storage group and issue listv There are probably other ways to show that a volume is part of a storage group. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
In a message dated 7/30/2008 1:25:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are probably other ways to show that a volume is part of a storage group. >> Think it was Linea Nichols posted a simple SAS pgm to summarize the DCOLLECT data by groups. It was in Enterprise Journal and think it made it to Xephon but haven't been there lately to check if it still works or not. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
There are a couple of options. If you have DTS Software's SMSDEBUG you could run the diag and get the info with it. Or if you have QuickRef by Chicago Soft and it is at least 6.6 or above, you can bring up a DASD list which can list by storage goup. Then place the cursor on the DASD volume that contains that data set. With ISMF you would look up the volume the data set is on and then check to see what storage group it is in (option 6). Or show your ACS code to the auditor to show how it gets there. Otherwise, if it lands on the right volume, then the storage group is working correctly. Lizette >Good Day To All > >When I perform a LISTCAT of a specific dsn it does not show the STORAGE GROUP >in the SMSDATA field. The dsn is SMS managed and it is being directed >correctly to the proper volume. I have the auditors here and I need to prove >that the correct STORAGE GROUP is being flagged. Is there a way of showing it >on the LISTCAT if not is there another utility that I can use? > >Below is the result of the LISTCAT: > > NONVSAM --- ZWA6PWG.CNTL.NTP > IN-CAT --- SYS1.ICFCAT.SYSTEM > HISTORY > DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2008.172 > RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 > ACCOUNT-INFO---(NULL) > SMSDATA > STORAGECLASS ---STANDARD MANAGEMENTCLASS---(NULL) > DATACLASS (NULL) LBACKUP ---.000. > VOLUMES > VOLSERNTPPP2 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' FSEQN-- > ASSOCIATIONS(NULL) > ATTRIBUTES > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
>Or show your ACS code to the auditor to show how it gets there. Maybe it's me, but I think: 1. The auditor is being too detailed. 2. The management class of the data is a heck of a lot more important than the storage group. I would prefer all production data be in one storage group, and be managed by (you guessed it) by management class. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
I'd go back to the auditor and try to find out what he/she really wants to know. I can't imagine how DASD management policies would be of the slightest interest to an auditor. I'd bet that there's a good chance he/she is trying to address some silly Windows weakness that is meaningless on the mf. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of willie bunter Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION Good Day To All When I perform a LISTCAT of a specific dsn it does not show the STORAGE GROUP in the SMSDATA field. The dsn is SMS managed and it is being directed correctly to the proper volume. I have the auditors here and I need to prove that the correct STORAGE GROUP is being flagged. Is there a way of showing it on the LISTCAT if not is there another utility that I can use? Below is the result of the LISTCAT: NONVSAM --- ZWA6PWG.CNTL.NTP IN-CAT --- SYS1.ICFCAT.SYSTEM HISTORY DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2008.172 RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 ACCOUNT-INFO---(NULL) SMSDATA STORAGECLASS ---STANDARD MANAGEMENTCLASS---(NULL) DATACLASS (NULL) LBACKUP ---.000. VOLUMES VOLSERNTPPP2 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' FSEQN-- ASSOCIATIONS(NULL) ATTRIBUTES Thanks in advance. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
>can't imagine how DASD management policies would be of the slightest interest >to an auditor. Backup Retention Off site migration But that's not storage group, that's management class! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
Exactly. A more reasonable question: "Prove that critical files are being backed up". -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION >can't imagine how DASD management policies would be of the slightest interest to an auditor. Backup Retention Off site migration But that's not storage group, that's management class! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
>Exactly. >A more reasonable question: "Prove that critical files are being backed up". More than that. Are they retained for a proper time? Are they available for D/R? Are they secure? Back up is just the first basic item! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
Point being that the original question did not clearly address those issues, or what we perceived the issues could be. So, the OP might want to better understand what the auditor really wants. Or, better yet, the auditor needs to learn how to ask better questions :-) The method in my madness is to somehow get real value out of an audit rather than just produce a bunch of meaningless reports. Let's face it, coming up with a good answer to a good question is often a good thing for the shop, IMHO. My $0.02 (before taxes) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION >Exactly. >A more reasonable question: "Prove that critical files are being backed up". More than that. Are they retained for a proper time? Are they available for D/R? Are they secure? Back up is just the first basic item! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
>The method in my madness is to somehow get real value out of an audit rather >than just produce a bunch of meaningless reports. Let's face it, coming up with a good answer to a good question is often a good thing for the shop, IMHO. An auditor is not an enforcer. The proper procedure is: 1. Subject Matter Experts tell us what is best. 2. Auditors compare us to what we are are doing vs what the SME states. 3. Compliance staff enforce -- or report to management regarding non-compliance. Auditors do not set standards. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ListCat/SMS question
On 30 Jul 2008 at 14:10, concerning "ListCat/SMS question", Willie Bunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote to IBM-Main: > [snip] LISTCAT [snip] does not show the STORAGE > GROUP in the SMSDATA field. [snip] I have the auditors here and > I need to prove that the correct STORAGE GROUP is being flagged. Is > there a way of showing it on the LISTCAT if not is there another > utility that I can use? > Below is the result of the LISTCAT: > > NONVSAM --- ZWA6PWG.CNTL.NTP > SMSDATA >STORAGECLASS ---STANDARD MANAGEMENTCLASS---(NULL) >DATACLASS (NULL) LBACKUP ---.000. > VOLUMES [snip] > VOLSERNTPPP2 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' FSEQN- [snip] Willie: as others have mentioned, you'll have to show that NTPPP2 is in the correct StorGrp by other methods ie. ISMF 6; LISTVOL. I expect it's correctly designed as the StorGrp only applies when creating a dataset for the first time. After that, the volume could be moved through multiple Storage Groups, during the life of the dataset, and ISMF doesn't need to keep changing catalogue entries each time. For a single information source, the 'D' record from DCollect has: DCDDSNAM: Dataset Name DCDVOLSR: Volume Serial Number DCDSTGRP: Storage Group name - I found this in Appendix G: Interpreting DCollect output of DFSMS/MVS 1.5 Access Method Services manual --> signature = 6 lines follows <-- Neil Duffee, Joe SysProg, U d'Ottawa, Ottawa, Ont, Canada telephone:1 613 562 5800 x4585 fax:1 613 562 5161 mailto:NDuffee of uOttawa.ca http:/ /aix1.uottawa.ca/ ~nduffee "How *do* you plan for something like that?" Guardian Bob, Reboot "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." "Systems Programming: Guilty, until proven innocent" John Norgauer 2004 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:09:59 -0700, willie bunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Good Day To All > >When I perform a LISTCAT of a specific dsn it does not show the STORAGE GROUP in the SMSDATA field. The dsn is SMS managed and it is being directed correctly to the proper volume. I have the auditors here and I need to prove that the correct STORAGE GROUP is being flagged. Is there a way of showing it on the LISTCAT if not is there another utility that I can use? > >Below is the result of the LISTCAT: > > NONVSAM --- ZWA6PWG.CNTL.NTP > IN-CAT --- SYS1.ICFCAT.SYSTEM > HISTORY > DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2008.172 > RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 > ACCOUNT-INFO---(NULL) > SMSDATA > STORAGECLASS ---STANDARD MANAGEMENTCLASS---(NULL) > DATACLASS (NULL) LBACKUP ---.000. > VOLUMES > VOLSERNTPPP2 DEVTYPE--X'3010200F' FSEQN-- > ASSOCIATIONS(NULL) > ATTRIBUTES > >Thanks in advance. > A DFSMS Storage Group is assigned at the volume-level, not dataset, which is why the LISTCAT command does not reveal this information, although LISTCAT could be enhanced to call the documented interface to retrieve the information. Therefore, if insistent, the STORAGE_GROUP question should be considered a "DASD volume level" audit check-off item, rather than a "dataset level" check-off item. Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LISTCAT/SMS QUESTION
I have not used this command, but starting in z/OS 1.7, you can specify SETSMS VOLSELMSG(ON) (with some other parameters) to see detailed volume selection analysis messages in the hardcopy log and joblog. Of course, this is only useful while the data set is being created, not after the fact. Use the command with caution, however, as IBM advises: "The system can issue an excessive number of analysis messages to the spool..." HTH, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Co. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of willie bunter Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:10 PM When I perform a LISTCAT of a specific dsn it does not show the STORAGE GROUP in the SMSDATA field. The dsn is SMS managed and it is being directed correctly to the proper volume. I have the auditors here and I need to prove that the correct STORAGE GROUP is being flagged. Is there a way of showing it on the LISTCAT if not is there another utility that I can use? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
