Re: Deleting post
In p06240800c9dd83937724@[192.168.1.11], on 04/27/2011 at 04:32 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said: Or a number of other author's Robot Stories. I have seen some stories which reference it as his proposed laws and then show how if they were actually implemented they would not be feasible. For example, they would make all athletic sports impossible due to the allow clause. Since injuries are possible, the robots would prevent sports. Perfectly feasible, and a perfect dystopia. Read the humanoid stories by Jack Williamson on the consequences of To serve Man, protect him and keep him from harm. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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At 14:05 -0500 on 04/22/2011, Staller, Allan wrote about Re: Deleting post: See I,Robot by Issac Asimov snip I quote from the first law of robotics; A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. /snip Or a number of other author's Robot Stories. I have seen some stories which reference it as his proposed laws and then show how if they were actually implemented they would not be feasible. For example, they would make all athletic sports impossible due to the allow clause. Since injuries are possible, the robots would prevent sports. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Google publishes 2 ways to remove your own usenet posts from their archives. When it was deja news, this was known as nuking, so you might search on that term for more info. I've not used it, so cannot attest to it's effectiveness, but it at least says it's still possible. http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en-GBanswer=186852 As for making sure it doesn't get archived in the first place, Deja News created a header field called X-No-Archive to deal with that, and Google still says they honor it. http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en-GBanswer=46487 Again, I've not used it since Google Groups came into the picture, so cannot attest to it's effectiveness or if it works when coming from this listserv instead of from the usenet group or if that screws it up. Back many years ago when I used a real newsreader and participated in usenet groups directly it worked just as advertised. I still occasionally visit a couple of very old usenet groups, and still see posts come thru with x-no-archive as the first line, so presumably it still works. I am not familiar with other usenet archives so don't know if they honor the same parmameters, or have alternatives. I admit I'm not sure if this is what we're talking about or not, and I don't know the answer to the age old question If a post is hidden, will anyone hear it fall in the forest? but thought I'd add my 2 cents to the confusion. hth, tom -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post Sensitivity: Private Ah. Now that makes sense. I wish there were no publically available archive too. I get emails from dippy software vendors who must be doing email scraping from the DB2 list. We don't even run DB2. I wish they'd go away. But, instead, I put up another autodelete rule. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Hylton Tom P tom.p.hyl...@irs.gov wrote: deleted As for making sure it doesn't get archived in the first place, Deja News created a header field called X-No-Archive to deal with that, and Google still says they honor it. http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en-GBanswer=46487 Again, I've not used it since Google Groups came into the picture, so cannot attest to it's effectiveness or if it works when coming from this listserv instead of from the usenet group or if that screws it up. deleted I have browsed google groups and saw messages with x no archive included and google groups said the message would be deleted in X days. Of course, there were lots of archived replies that included at least parts of the message (if not the entire message) so of limited usefulness. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d9901...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 04/20/2011 at 01:41 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: Ah. Now that makes sense. I wish there were no publically available archive too. The archives are not the problem. It's the criminals who scrape addresses that are the problem. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 333233586-1303470729-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-4981610...@bda2487.bisx.prod.on.blackberry, on 04/22/2011 at 11:12 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said: I've removed the post from the UA archives. Don't get me wrong, and I'm not criticising, but is that the moral thing to do? Yes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In listserv%201104201241445237.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 04/20/2011 at 12:41 PM, Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com said: Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. It's too late; by its very nature a list server sends out the posts that it receives, at which point it no longer has control over them. Darren can delete your messages (only* from the listserv archive. If you simply want to post semi-anonymously, you can establish a new e-mail address for the purpose and subscribe it. But if you want the ability to retract messages posted hastily or in error, that's not possible. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Which they could not do if the archives did not exist. I agree that defenestrating the email scrapers would be a superior solution. I have a number of entries in my autodelete file from such scum. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d9901...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 04/20/2011 at 01:41 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: Ah. Now that makes sense. I wish there were no publically available archive too. The archives are not the problem. It's the criminals who scrape addresses that are the problem. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Sam - and John McKown ... some of the responses to the OP's post were funny in a way. Checking the archives and as I recall, I was the only person who responded to the OP's OP. All the response did - since supposedly it was calling on IMS experts - was to mention that the IMS-L list was the place to find the greatest concentration of IMS experts - I expect. I assume you didn't mean this solitary post was funny - or maybe you did! John In an earlier post or two you mentioned that post recall was a lost cause. What your list of reasons did *not* cover was the possibility that there had already been responses here in the IBM-MAIN list with the OP quoted in full as in fact there was one where it was - in all its shameful glory - whatever that was! - As others have noted, I wouldn't have bothered with this thread at all except that it seems to have been spinning along for such a long time. Of course, now that I am paying attention, I was able to see a reason to participate and spin it out even further: Does the question of the morality of removing posts extend to removing the responses to a removed post in which the removed post is quoted in full? Chris Mason On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:56:05 -0700, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: Agree ... some of the responses to the OP's post were funny in a way. On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Fair enough. Not directly relevant to the morality issue but FWIW it occurs to me that the OP would have been in much better shape if he had written Darren privately. I was not even aware of the post until this brouhaha erupted, and then out of curiosity I went back and read it. Others are probably in the same boat. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: No, John said no action that is *a fortiori ineffectual* can be immoral. (Emphasis added.) In other words, if the action has little or no effect, what's the harm? Darren has not erased the post from history, only from a single archive. Charles As a general statement (which is what John seems to be making) it does not take into account magnitude and nature of action. In the specific case of Darren deleting the post the magnitude is low is and it is also of an uneventful nature. One can make the argument an fortiori ineffectual attempt to rob someone (mild example here) is still immoral even if it was ineffectual. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.netwrote: Sam - and John McKown ... some of the responses to the OP's post were funny in a way. Checking the archives and as I recall, I was the only person who responded to the OP's OP. All the response did - since supposedly it was calling on IMS experts - was to mention that the IMS-L list was the place to find the greatest concentration of IMS experts - I expect. I assume you didn't mean this solitary post was funny - or maybe you did! No not those responses. John In an earlier post or two you mentioned that post recall was a lost cause. What your list of reasons did *not* cover was the possibility that there had already been responses here in the IBM-MAIN list with the OP quoted in full as in fact there was one where it was - in all its shameful glory - whatever that was! - As others have noted, I wouldn't have bothered with this thread at all except that it seems to have been spinning along for such a long time. Of course, now that I am paying attention, I was able to see a reason to participate and spin it out even further: Does the question of the morality of removing posts extend to removing the responses to a removed post in which the removed post is quoted in full? Chris Mason On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:56:05 -0700, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: Agree ... some of the responses to the OP's post were funny in a way. On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Fair enough. Not directly relevant to the morality issue but FWIW it occurs to me that the OP would have been in much better shape if he had written Darren privately. I was not even aware of the post until this brouhaha erupted, and then out of curiosity I went back and read it. Others are probably in the same boat. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: No, John said no action that is *a fortiori ineffectual* can be immoral. (Emphasis added.) In other words, if the action has little or no effect, what's the harm? Darren has not erased the post from history, only from a single archive. Charles As a general statement (which is what John seems to be making) it does not take into account magnitude and nature of action. In the specific case of Darren deleting the post the magnitude is low is and it is also of an uneventful nature. One can make the argument an fortiori ineffectual attempt to rob someone (mild example here) is still immoral even if it was ineffectual. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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No, John said no action that is *a fortiori ineffectual* can be immoral. (Emphasis added.) In other words, if the action has little or no effect, what's the harm? Darren has not erased the post from history, only from a single archive. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com wrote: Does that imply that no inaction can ever be immoral? In my book no. It seems John believes otherwise. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: No, John said no action that is *a fortiori ineffectual* can be immoral. (Emphasis added.) In other words, if the action has little or no effect, what's the harm? Darren has not erased the post from history, only from a single archive. Charles As a general statement (which is what John seems to be making) it does not take into account magnitude and nature of action. In the specific case of Darren deleting the post the magnitude is low is and it is also of an uneventful nature. One can make the argument an fortiori ineffectual attempt to rob someone (mild example here) is still immoral even if it was ineffectual. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com wrote: Does that imply that no inaction can ever be immoral? In my book no. It seems John believes otherwise. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Fair enough. Not directly relevant to the morality issue but FWIW it occurs to me that the OP would have been in much better shape if he had written Darren privately. I was not even aware of the post until this brouhaha erupted, and then out of curiosity I went back and read it. Others are probably in the same boat. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: No, John said no action that is *a fortiori ineffectual* can be immoral. (Emphasis added.) In other words, if the action has little or no effect, what's the harm? Darren has not erased the post from history, only from a single archive. Charles As a general statement (which is what John seems to be making) it does not take into account magnitude and nature of action. In the specific case of Darren deleting the post the magnitude is low is and it is also of an uneventful nature. One can make the argument an fortiori ineffectual attempt to rob someone (mild example here) is still immoral even if it was ineffectual. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Agree ... some of the responses to the OP's post were funny in a way. On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Fair enough. Not directly relevant to the morality issue but FWIW it occurs to me that the OP would have been in much better shape if he had written Darren privately. I was not even aware of the post until this brouhaha erupted, and then out of curiosity I went back and read it. Others are probably in the same boat. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: No, John said no action that is *a fortiori ineffectual* can be immoral. (Emphasis added.) In other words, if the action has little or no effect, what's the harm? Darren has not erased the post from history, only from a single archive. Charles As a general statement (which is what John seems to be making) it does not take into account magnitude and nature of action. In the specific case of Darren deleting the post the magnitude is low is and it is also of an uneventful nature. One can make the argument an fortiori ineffectual attempt to rob someone (mild example here) is still immoral even if it was ineffectual. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I've removed the post from the UA archives. Darren On Wed, 20 Apr 2011, Ron Thomas wrote: Darren, Can you please help me as how to delete the post from this forum? Please send me the command i need to use here? Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I've removed the post from the UA archives. Don't get me wrong, and I'm not criticising, but is that the moral thing to do? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Morality ... computing ... I thought we'd beaten the (recent) oxymoron thread to death. Or maybe I've just spent too much time dealing with the marketing side of the industry ... Shane ... On Fri, Apr 22nd, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: I've removed the post from the UA archives. Don't get me wrong, and I'm not criticising, but is that the moral thing to do? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The lawyers' doctrine of de minimis---Let's not decide issues that need not be reached--suggests that questions about the morality of deleting a post from the UA IBM-MAIN archive are at best moot. We have no centralized system of Orwellian memory holes, only a congeries of ineptly implemented local ones: That post remains available elsewhere; google search will find it; and, as Ollie North learned to his great sorrow, deletes do not alter backup copies. Neither the past nor even our record of it has really been altered. Darren's gesture placated the OP; he was wise to make it; no action that is a fortiori ineffectual can be immoral. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Morality ... computing ... I thought we'd beaten the (recent) oxymoron thread to death. I wasn't judging. I was asking a question. If you don't want something read, don't write it. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Does that imply that no inaction can ever be immoral? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 5:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post snip Neither the past nor even our record of it has really been altered. Darren's gesture placated the OP; he was wise to make it; no action that is a fortiori ineffectual can be immoral. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I quote from the first law of robotics; A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. On 04/22/11 14:47, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: Does that imply that no inaction can ever be immoral? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 5:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post snip Neither the past nor even our record of it has really been altered. Darren's gesture placated the OP; he was wise to make it; no action that is a fortiori ineffectual can be immoral. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Some people are electrifying, they light up a room when they leave. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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See I,Robot by Issac Asimov snip I quote from the first law of robotics; A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com wrote: Does that imply that no inaction can ever be immoral? In my book no. It seems John believes otherwise. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 5:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post snip Neither the past nor even our record of it has really been altered. Darren's gesture placated the OP; he was wise to make it; no action that is a fortiori ineffectual can be immoral. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Humm... what happened to AI and having robot's 'learn' ??. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post See I,Robot by Issac Asimov snip I quote from the first law of robotics; A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Read DUNE, The Butlerian Jihad, etc.. On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:23:22 -0500, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us wrote: Humm... what happened to AI and having robot's 'learn' ??. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post See I,Robot by Issac Asimov snip I quote from the first law of robotics; A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I have ... but then again .. it is also my point.. especially with AI (I speak of the robot). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Stitt Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post Read DUNE, The Butlerian Jihad, etc.. On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:23:22 -0500, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us wrote: Humm... what happened to AI and having robot's 'learn' ??. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post See I,Robot by Issac Asimov snip I quote from the first law of robotics; A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman --snip Now you're talking government logic, of which we could stand **FAR** less. :-) --unsnip-- Government logic is a contradiction in terms by itself. :-) Government logic and military intelligence used to be the prototypical oxymorons. Nowadays, the prototypical oxymoron is common sense. :-| -jc- As in Common sense is becoming an uncommon virtue ?? :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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--snip--- Government logic and military intelligence used to be the prototypical oxymorons. Nowadays, the prototypical oxymoron is common sense. :-| Management direction? project plans? -unsnip AMTRAK Schedule ?? Jumbo shrimp ?? Freezer burn ?? Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I believe the original quote is : Common sense is not so common. and is attributed to Voltaire circa 1725 The more things change, the more they stay the same snip As in Common sense is becoming an uncommon virtue ?? :-) /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Darren, Can you please help me as how to delete the post from this forum? Please send me the command i need to use here? Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post Darren, Can you please help me as how to delete the post from this forum? Please send me the command i need to use here? Regards Ron I think someone already asked this recently. There is no way to delete a comment from the archives yourself. Darren will need to do that for you. And he cannot delete any archives made by other organizations such as Google or Yahoo. Nor can he delete any message which has made it into my email inbox and been archived by me. This is not a Blog or Wiki or other web resident group. It is an email list where every post is send to every subscriber. IOW - if you said something, there's no way to take it back, in general. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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If you don't want anyone to see your post, then why are you sending a post? The way to do this in z/OS would be to allocate your output file to DD DUMMY. Then you could write all the output you want and no one would be able to see any of it. Including you. I don't know the equivalent technique for this list server. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Why send them if you don't want them read? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Regards Ron If you don't want anybody to see them, why send them? I'm am confused! In any case, I doubt it. Darren will need to speak to that. But he only control the university's archive. He doesn't have any control over Google or Yahoo or any other subscriber. I need to lay down now. I have a headache thinking about this. grin -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The only reliable way to do that is don't send it. -jc- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post The only reliable way to do that is don't send it. -jc- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Regards Ron I have it! First, encrypt all messages with AES-128 encryption. Then base64 encode that. Then email it. People can still read it but no one can decrypt it. So it effectively cannot be read and the content is hidden. Works until Darren gets upset and NOPOSTs the subscriber. Still don't understand the why, but ours is not to reason why -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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If you mean outside of the list itself, that is, not to a public newsgroup like Newsgroups= bit.listserv.ibm-main http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/topics which can be hosted on any number of servers, including Google. The IBM-MAIN list owner (Darren) would probably need to shut off the feed to the newsgroup. Probably what the listserver software needs is a member setting that tells the server not to archive that individual's postings or send them to the newsgroup. Thanks, Mark Regan From: Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Deleting post Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John The only reliable way to do that is don't send it. -jc- Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. I have it! First, encrypt all messages with AES-128 encryption. Then base64 encode that. Then email it. People can still read it but no one can decrypt it. So it effectively cannot be read and the content is hidden. Works until Darren gets upset and NOPOSTs the subscriber. Still don't understand the why, but ours is not to reason why Now you're talking government logic, of which we could stand **FAR** less. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Can't someone just use another email id and false name to remain anonymous? I have seen some of these on the lists. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Regan Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post If you mean outside of the list itself, that is, not to a public newsgroup like Newsgroups= bit.listserv.ibm-main http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/topics which can be hosted on any number of servers, including Google. The IBM-MAIN list owner (Darren) would probably need to shut off the feed to the newsgroup. Probably what the listserver software needs is a member setting that tells the server not to archive that individual's postings or send them to the newsgroup. Thanks, Mark Regan From: Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Deleting post Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Yes that's what he meant, he wants to reply to the list but doesn't want every one who googles anything close to what he posted have it pop up, same happened to me from a CICS list post, all of a sudden I am being emailed here from people who want to reconnect etc. ( to put it nicely ) Mark Regan netsfw-ibmmain@Y AHOO.COM To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Mainframe cc Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua Subject .edu Re: Deleting post 04/20/2011 02:18 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua .edu If you mean outside of the list itself, that is, not to a public newsgroup like Newsgroups= bit.listserv.ibm-main http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/topics which can be hosted on any number of servers, including Google. The IBM-MAIN list owner (Darren) would probably need to shut off the feed to the newsgroup. Probably what the listserver software needs is a member setting that tells the server not to archive that individual's postings or send them to the newsgroup. Thanks, Mark Regan From: Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Deleting post Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Ah. Now that makes sense. I wish there were no publically available archive too. I get emails from dippy software vendors who must be doing email scraping from the DB2 list. We don't even run DB2. I wish they'd go away. But, instead, I put up another autodelete rule. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of August Carideo Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Deleting post Sensitivity: Private Yes that's what he meant, he wants to reply to the list but doesn't want every one who googles anything close to what he posted have it pop up, same happened to me from a CICS list post, all of a sudden I am being emailed here from people who want to reconnect etc. ( to put it nicely ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 4/20/2011 12:32 PM, August Carideo wrote: Yes that's what he meant, he wants to reply to the list but doesn't want every one who googles anything close to what he posted have it pop up, same happened to me from a CICS list post, all of a sudden I am being emailed here from people who want to reconnect etc. ( to put it nicely ) Oh, hi. Need some application programmer training? :-) I'm afraid an earlier poster had it right: if you don't want anyone to see the post i send, the only way is not to send. After all, everyone on the list will see it. It's the price of admission. Get over it. Mark Regan netsfw-ibmmain@Y AHOO.COM To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Mainframe cc Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua Subject .edu Re: Deleting post 04/20/2011 02:18 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua .edu If you mean outside of the list itself, that is, not to a public newsgroup like Newsgroups= bit.listserv.ibm-main http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/topics which can be hosted on any number of servers, including Google. The IBM-MAIN list owner (Darren) would probably need to shut off the feed to the newsgroup. Probably what the listserver software needs is a member setting that tells the server not to archive that individual's postings or send them to the newsgroup. Thanks, Mark Regan From: Ron Thomasron5...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Deleting post Ok i can understand that. But is it possible to hide the posts that i send to this list? The thing is that i don't want anyone to see the post i send. Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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--snip Now you're talking government logic, of which we could stand **FAR** less. :-) --unsnip-- Government logic is a contradiction in terms by itself. :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 20 April 2011 13:46, Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com wrote: If you don't want anyone to see your post, then why are you sending a post? The way to do this in z/OS would be to allocate your output file to DD DUMMY. Then you could write all the output you want and no one would be able to see any of it. Including you. I don't know the equivalent technique for this list server. He made a mistake, hopefully a one-time one, and wants to minimize the exposure of that particular post, presumably to management or competitors or the like. He's not the only person who's ever done that in business or personal life, and I sympathize greatly. Darren already offered to delete from the Bama archives, but as many others have noted, Google and friends will never delete their copies, and that, unfortunately, is where the wrong people will stumble across it, if they do at all. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Thing is, by repeating asking to delete the post, and then say why, made me go to google, and reread the original IMS post. The bigger deal you make out of this is going to make everyone much more curious. I didn't see anything obnoxious or company secrets in the original email. I guess I don't get what the issue is. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Services david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB1G p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.8497 This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman --snip Now you're talking government logic, of which we could stand **FAR** less. :-) --unsnip-- Government logic is a contradiction in terms by itself. :-) Government logic and military intelligence used to be the prototypical oxymorons. Nowadays, the prototypical oxymoron is common sense. :-| -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Government logic and military intelligence used to be the prototypical oxymorons. Nowadays, the prototypical oxymoron is common sense. :-| Management direction? project plans? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Deleting post Hello. I want to delete my posts from here, if so how to do the same? Thanks, Ron Huh? I don't really understand. But if you mean: I sent a message to this forum and now I want to erase it. You can't. Period. All messages are sent from the listserver via email to the subscriber's email in-box. What happens to it there is up to the receiver and you can no longer affect it in any way. This is not a BLOG, WIKI, Web forum, or even an RSS feed. And, as others have indicated, there are many services, such as Google, who archive them. It may be possible for you to contact each of those archives and request a deletion. I don't know the policy on that since it likely varies based on the archiver. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Deleting post Hello. I want to delete my posts from here, if so how to do the same? Thanks, Ron Huh? I don't really understand. But if you mean: I sent a message to this forum and now I want to erase it. You can't. Period. All messages are sent from the listserver via email to the subscriber's email in-box. What happens to it there is up to the receiver and you can no longer affect it in any way. This is not a BLOG, WIKI, Web forum, or even an RSS feed. And, as others have indicated, there are many services, such as Google, who archive them. It may be possible for you to contact each of those archives and request a deletion. I don't know the policy on that since it likely varies based on the archiver. -- John McKown I can remove posts from the Listserv archives hosted here at UA, but as John said, I have no control over what Google and whomever else archives the list. I need to know what specific posts you want removed, for whatever good it will do. Darren (list owner) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hi, Please delete the post mentioned below from the list. IMS Restart Issue Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:46:59 -0500 75 lines Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:22:43 -0500, Ron Thomas wrote: I want to delete my posts from here, if so how to do the same? Doesn't matter. Google will archive them, and they'll be accessible forever. see OLLIE NORTH PROFS. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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You are too late. It may be possible to delete your messages from the official archive at U of Ala. But the messages have already been echoed to Usenet and are now ensconced of several Usenet archives, including google. Most Usenet servers Ignore delete requests. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 12:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Deleting post Hello. I want to delete my posts from here, if so how to do the same? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
