Re: FICON CTC
Mark, Thank you for the correction. However it's *new* information. I just checked z/OS 1.7 version of the manual - no mention about FCTC. Does it mean FCTC is not supported on 1.7 or just undocumented ? I don't know. I checked summary of changes - no mention about FCTC. BTW: It remained me, I submitted an RCF for the book. AFAIK I asked to remove obsolete information about HW, correct some jobs, etc. I just found in summary of changes: Information about IBM 3088 Multisystem Channel Communication Unit (MCCU) is removed. Information about SYSCTLG has been removed. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland Mark Pace wrote: From z/OS 1.9 MVS:Planning Global Resource Serialization. These links can be either a data link in a parallel CTC adapter. In ring mode, link or CTC link means either an IBM 3088 data link, a parallel CTC adapter, or an ESCON(R) channel operating in CTC or basic mode, or FCTC. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:33 PM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] THIS, PLEASE! wrote: Mark Pace wrote: As I understand it, that was true for ESCON CTC, I'm using FICON CTC, or device type of FCTC. It is supposed to be supported. AFAIK not. You cannot make GRS ring over FCTC links. Note: you can make GRS ring over XCF links which can be defined over FCTC. However XCF means sysplex (at least basic). -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:54:36 -0500, Mark Pace wrote: From z/OS 1.9 MVS:Planning Global Resource Serialization. These links can be either a data link in a parallel CTC adapter. In ring mode, link or CTC link means either an IBM 3088 data link, a parallel CTC adapter, or an ESCON(R) channel operating in CTC or basic mode, or FCTC. Maybe the GRS doesn't know that yet g. According to ISG046E explanation (System Messages Volume 9, SA22-7639-14): snip System programmer response: If the reason code is X'05', check to see if the device is configured as a BCTC. If the device is configured as a SCTC, GRS cannot use it. If possible, try to reconfigure the device as a BCTC. snip -- Zaromil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Even IBM support still believes that. When sent a AskQ they replied that I needed to change the IOdevices to BCTC. :-( I've replied with the excerpt from the book. I'm waiting to see what they say today. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Zaromil Tisler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:54:36 -0500, Mark Pace wrote: From z/OS 1.9 MVS:Planning Global Resource Serialization. These links can be either a data link in a parallel CTC adapter. In ring mode, link or CTC link means either an IBM 3088 data link, a parallel CTC adapter, or an ESCON(R) channel operating in CTC or basic mode, or FCTC. Maybe the GRS doesn't know that yet g. According to ISG046E explanation (System Messages Volume 9, SA22-7639-14): snip System programmer response: If the reason code is X'05', check to see if the device is configured as a BCTC. If the device is configured as a SCTC, GRS cannot use it. If possible, try to reconfigure the device as a BCTC. snip -- Zaromil -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Well the book is wrong according to IBM. *a sysplex when all systems are part of the same GRS plex, then XCF can be used for communication between systems and it can make use of FCTC device types. . Otherwise you cannot specify a FCTC device type for GRS to use as a CTC for communication. * Well back to HCD to create ESCON CTC devices. Hope I remember how Thanks to all that had suggestions and replied. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even IBM support still believes that. When sent a AskQ they replied that I needed to change the IOdevices to BCTC. :-( I've replied with the excerpt from the book. I'm waiting to see what they say today. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Zaromil Tisler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:54:36 -0500, Mark Pace wrote: From z/OS 1.9 MVS:Planning Global Resource Serialization. These links can be either a data link in a parallel CTC adapter. In ring mode, link or CTC link means either an IBM 3088 data link, a parallel CTC adapter, or an ESCON(R) channel operating in CTC or basic mode, or FCTC. Maybe the GRS doesn't know that yet g. According to ISG046E explanation (System Messages Volume 9, SA22-7639-14): snip System programmer response: If the reason code is X'05', check to see if the device is configured as a BCTC. If the device is configured as a SCTC, GRS cannot use it. If possible, try to reconfigure the device as a BCTC. snip -- Zaromil -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
I've succeeded in getting the IO devices online on each z/OS system. But when I IPL with GRS turned on I get ISG046E CTC 4C00 DISABLED DUE TO HARDWARE ERROR CODE=05 On 1 system and ISG046E CTC 3C00 DISABLED DUE TO HARDWARE ERROR CODE=05 on the other. I've looked at II14241 and verified that the CHPIDs say Initialization complete. Is there some way to verify that each end is REALLY talking to each other, rather than just rely on the fact that the device(s) are online? -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Marc, I had a very interesting experience building our GRS ring. One point I have not seen mentioned is that for GRS the CTC's must be a device type of BCTC. If you would like to discus offline, just email me direct. Jimmy snip I've succeeded in getting the IO devices online on each z/OS system. But when I IPL with GRS turned on I get ISG046E CTC 4C00 DISABLED DUE TO HARDWARE ERROR CODE=05 On 1 system and ISG046E CTC 3C00 DISABLED DUE TO HARDWARE ERROR CODE=05 on the other. I've looked at II14241 and verified that the CHPIDs say Initialization complete. Is there some way to verify that each end is REALLY talking to each other, rather than just rely on the fact that the device(s) are online? -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems unsnip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
As I understand it, that was true for ESCON CTC, I'm using FICON CTC, or device type of FCTC. It is supposed to be supported. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Jimmy Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc, I had a very interesting experience building our GRS ring. One point I have not seen mentioned is that for GRS the CTC's must be a device type of BCTC. If you would like to discus offline, just email me direct. Jimmy -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Mark Pace wrote: As I understand it, that was true for ESCON CTC, I'm using FICON CTC, or device type of FCTC. It is supposed to be supported. AFAIK not. You cannot make GRS ring over FCTC links. Note: you can make GRS ring over XCF links which can be defined over FCTC. However XCF means sysplex (at least basic). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
CUADD on the control unit must match the LPAR you want to talk *TO* with the CTC's on that CU. Also, the CTC devices on that CU should be defined to the OS config for the LPAR's you will talk *FROM*. I always need a pad of paper when I connect CTC's... There's a z9/z990/z900 redbook, the z900 doc ID is SB10-7034-01, ESCON and FICON CTC Reference. Don't know the updated book is for z990, z9, z10. It's been a while since we've had to go through this en masse, but if you send me a note offline, I can perhaps send you some HCD screen shots (easier than looking at IOCP statements, IMHO). HTH Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company Dearborn, Michigan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:32:03 -0500, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is a FICON director required to do FICON CTC? I'm looking through a Red Book and all examples show a FICON director. I would think, that like ESCON CTC, I could just connect two FICON channels together using the appropriate cable. snip Mark, FWIW..I have found that using HCM to configure CTC's (whether they be ESCON or FICON) is much easier. Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Art - Thanks, I finally drew out what I was trying to do, and now it makes more sense. It was the CUADD= the from and to where reversed. On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CUADD on the control unit must match the LPAR you want to talk *TO* with the CTC's on that CU. Also, the CTC devices on that CU should be defined to the OS config for the LPAR's you will talk *FROM*. I always need a pad of paper when I connect CTC's... There's a z9/z990/z900 redbook, the z900 doc ID is SB10-7034-01, ESCON and FICON CTC Reference. Don't know the updated book is for z990, z9, z10. It's been a while since we've had to go through this en masse, but if you send me a note offline, I can perhaps send you some HCD screen shots (easier than looking at IOCP statements, IMHO). HTH Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company Dearborn, Michigan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Mark, Try looking at II14241. The title says FCTC DEVICES NOT ONLINE (FOR A PREVIOUSLY KNOWN WORKING FCTC CONNECTION AFTER IPL) Not exactly your situation but there might be some ideas. Alan -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 13:32 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: FICON CTC Is a FICON director required to do FICON CTC? I'm looking through a Red Book and all examples show a FICON director. I would think, that like ESCON CTC, I could just connect two FICON channels together using the appropriate cable. I defined to CHPIDs as FC created a CU on each as FCTC and added 8 devices as FCTC. I can vary on the CHPIDS, but when I vary on the devices I receive. VARY 3C00,ONLINE IEE103I UNIT 3C00 NOT BROUGHT ONLINE 615 IEE763I NAME= IECVIOPM CODE= 0004 IOS551I NO PATHS PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE IEE764I END OF IEE103IRELATED MESSAGES -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Mark Pace wrote: Is a FICON director required to do FICON CTC? I'm looking through a Red Book and all examples show a FICON director. No. You don't need director. Depending on your topology, the director can be required, but again, it depends. BTW: If you want multiple-LPAR, single-CPC CTC, you can use the following options: 1. classic. Two FICON ports connected by a loop. 2. other, IMHO quite funny: CPC_FICON_PORT - FICON_cable - switch. HTH -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
I would guess your logical addresses are not right. Can you share your IOCP? Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: FICON CTC Is a FICON director required to do FICON CTC? I'm looking through a Red Book and all examples show a FICON director. I would think, that like ESCON CTC, I could just connect two FICON channels together using the appropriate cable. I defined to CHPIDs as FC created a CU on each as FCTC and added 8 devices as FCTC. I can vary on the CHPIDS, but when I vary on the devices I receive. VARY 3C00,ONLINE IEE103I UNIT 3C00 NOT BROUGHT ONLINE 615 IEE763I NAME= IECVIOPM CODE= 0004 IOS551I NO PATHS PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE IEE764I END OF IEE103IRELATED MESSAGES -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
I'm leaning on the connection at the moment, but here are the relevant sections from my IOCDS CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),3C),PARTITION=((MP),(=)),PCHID=132,TYPE=FC CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),4C),PARTITION=((BP),(=)),PCHID=133,TYPE=FC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3C00,PATH=((CSS(0),3C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(3C00,008),CUNUMBR=(3C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(4C00,008),CUNUMBR=(4C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Neubert, Kevin (DIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would guess your logical addresses are not right. Can you share your IOCP? Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: FICON CTC Is a FICON director required to do FICON CTC? I'm looking through a Red Book and all examples show a FICON director. I would think, that like ESCON CTC, I could just connect two FICON channels together using the appropriate cable. I defined to CHPIDs as FC created a CU on each as FCTC and added 8 devices as FCTC. I can vary on the CHPIDS, but when I vary on the devices I receive. VARY 3C00,ONLINE IEE103I UNIT 3C00 NOT BROUGHT ONLINE 615 IEE763I NAME= IECVIOPM CODE= 0004 IOS551I NO PATHS PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE IEE764I END OF IEE103IRELATED MESSAGES -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:01:14 -0500, Mark Pace wrote: I'm leaning on the connection at the moment, but here are the relevant sections from my IOCDS CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),3C),PARTITION=((MP),(=)),PCHID=132,TYPE=FC CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),4C),PARTITION=((BP),(=)),PCHID=133,TYPE=FC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3C00,PATH=((CSS(0),3C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(3C00,008),CUNUMBR=(3C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(4C00,008),CUNUMBR=(4C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC The CUADD= parms aren't right. Please post your PARTITION statement. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
In HCD you can produce a CTC Connection Report. Have you done that and verified that it at least thinks they can connect to each other? In HCD option 3 then 1. Set LIMIT reports to no (2) and put a / in the CTC selection field. Alan -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 15:01 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON CTC I'm leaning on the connection at the moment, but here are the relevant sections from my IOCDS CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),3C),PARTITION=((MP),(=)),PCHID=132,TYPE=FC CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),4C),PARTITION=((BP),(=)),PCHID=133,TYPE=FC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3C00,PATH=((CSS(0),3C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(3C00,008),CUNUMBR=(3C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(4C00,008),CUNUMBR=(4C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Neubert, Kevin (DIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would guess your logical addresses are not right. Can you share your IOCP? Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: FICON CTC Is a FICON director required to do FICON CTC? I'm looking through a Red Book and all examples show a FICON director. I would think, that like ESCON CTC, I could just connect two FICON channels together using the appropriate cable. I defined to CHPIDs as FC created a CU on each as FCTC and added 8 devices as FCTC. I can vary on the CHPIDS, but when I vary on the devices I receive. VARY 3C00,ONLINE IEE103I UNIT 3C00 NOT BROUGHT ONLINE 615 IEE763I NAME= IECVIOPM CODE= 0004 IOS551I NO PATHS PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE IEE764I END OF IEE103IRELATED MESSAGES -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
No. I'm an HCD newbie. I didn't know those reports existed. Thanks! On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Field, Alan C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In HCD you can produce a CTC Connection Report. Have you done that and verified that it at least thinks they can connect to each other? In HCD option 3 then 1. Set LIMIT reports to no (2) and put a / in the CTC selection field. Alan -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 15:01 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON CTC I'm leaning on the connection at the moment, but here are the relevant sections from my IOCDS CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),3C),PARTITION=((MP),(=)),PCHID=132,TYPE=FC CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),4C),PARTITION=((BP),(=)),PCHID=133,TYPE=FC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3C00,PATH=((CSS(0),3C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(3C00,008),CUNUMBR=(3C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(4C00,008),CUNUMBR=(4C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Neubert, Kevin (DIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would guess your logical addresses are not right. Can you share your IOCP? Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: FICON CTC Is a FICON director required to do FICON CTC? I'm looking through a Red Book and all examples show a FICON director. I would think, that like ESCON CTC, I could just connect two FICON channels together using the appropriate cable. I defined to CHPIDs as FC created a CU on each as FCTC and added 8 devices as FCTC. I can vary on the CHPIDS, but when I vary on the devices I receive. VARY 3C00,ONLINE IEE103I UNIT 3C00 NOT BROUGHT ONLINE 615 IEE763I NAME= IECVIOPM CODE= 0004 IOS551I NO PATHS PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE IEE764I END OF IEE103IRELATED MESSAGES -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:14:44 -0500, Bielskie, Stephen wrote: Also, after you define them, you can put a 'K' next to the FCTC control unit in HCD and it will show you what other FCTC Cus it is connected to. If there are blanks on either column of this display, there is a definition error. Steve I thought the HCD reports and the K command would only work if the CTC included a Director. The original poster was trying to define a CTC with point- to-point connections - with no Director. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Correct. I want a point-to-point connection. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Brian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought the HCD reports and the K command would only work if the CTC included a Director. The original poster was trying to define a CTC with point- to-point connections - with no Director. Brian - -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
I believe this is what you want your control units to look like. CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3C00,PATH=((CSS(0),3C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=4,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=5,UNIT=FCTC Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON CTC RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(BP,5),(IT,1),(MP,4),(PS,3),(TA,2)* )),MAXDEV=((CSS(0),65280,0)) On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Brian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:01:14 -0500, Mark Pace wrote: I'm leaning on the connection at the moment, but here are the relevant sections from my IOCDS CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),3C),PARTITION=((MP),(=)),PCHID=132,TYPE=FC CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),4C),PARTITION=((BP),(=)),PCHID=133,TYPE=FC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3C00,PATH=((CSS(0),3C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(3C00,008),CUNUMBR=(3C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(4C00,008),CUNUMBR=(4C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC The CUADD= parms aren't right. Please post your PARTITION statement. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3C00,PATH=((CSS(0),3C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=4,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=5,UNIT=FCTC Change this from HCD option 4, put 'C' next to the CU, press enter, then scroll right once. There is a column for 'CU Add' Also, when you define the devices, remove MP from access list to 3C00-3C08. Same goes for BP with 4C00-4C08. HCD should warn you if you didn't (can cause a loop). Steve -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON CTC RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(BP,5),(IT,1),(MP,4),(PS,3),(TA,2)* )),MAXDEV=((CSS(0),65280,0)) On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Brian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:01:14 -0500, Mark Pace wrote: I'm leaning on the connection at the moment, but here are the relevant sections from my IOCDS CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),3C),PARTITION=((MP),(=)),PCHID=132,TYPE=FC CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),4C),PARTITION=((BP),(=)),PCHID=133,TYPE=FC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(3C00,008),CUNUMBR=(3C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(4C00,008),CUNUMBR=(4C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC The CUADD= parms aren't right. Please post your PARTITION statement. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Don't know...I never defined one without a director. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Peterson Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON CTC On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:14:44 -0500, Bielskie, Stephen wrote: Also, after you define them, you can put a 'K' next to the FCTC control unit in HCD and it will show you what other FCTC Cus it is connected to. If there are blanks on either column of this display, there is a definition error. Steve I thought the HCD reports and the K command would only work if the CTC included a Director. The original poster was trying to define a CTC with point- to-point connections - with no Director. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(BP,5),(IT,1),(MP,4),(PS,3),(TA,2)* )),MAXDEV=((CSS(0),65280,0)) On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Brian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:01:14 -0500, Mark Pace wrote: I'm leaning on the connection at the moment, but here are the relevant sections from my IOCDS CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),3C),PARTITION=((MP),(=)),PCHID=132,TYPE=FC CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),4C),PARTITION=((BP),(=)),PCHID=133,TYPE=FC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3C00,PATH=((CSS(0),3C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(3C00,008),CUNUMBR=(3C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(4C00,008),CUNUMBR=(4C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC The CUADD= parms aren't right. Please post your PARTITION statement. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC
Also, after you define them, you can put a 'K' next to the FCTC control unit in HCD and it will show you what other FCTC Cus it is connected to. If there are blanks on either column of this display, there is a definition error. Steve -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Field, Alan C. Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON CTC In HCD you can produce a CTC Connection Report. Have you done that and verified that it at least thinks they can connect to each other? In HCD option 3 then 1. Set LIMIT reports to no (2) and put a / in the CTC selection field. Alan -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 15:01 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON CTC I'm leaning on the connection at the moment, but here are the relevant sections from my IOCDS CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),3C),PARTITION=((MP),(=)),PCHID=132,TYPE=FC CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),4C),PARTITION=((BP),(=)),PCHID=133,TYPE=FC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=3C00,PATH=((CSS(0),3C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(3C00,008),CUNUMBR=(3C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=4C00,PATH=((CSS(0),4C)),UNITADD=((00,008)), * CUADD=0,UNIT=FCTC IODEVICE ADDRESS=(4C00,008),CUNUMBR=(4C00),STADET=Y,UNIT=FCTC On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Neubert, Kevin (DIS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would guess your logical addresses are not right. Can you share your IOCP? Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: FICON CTC Is a FICON director required to do FICON CTC? I'm looking through a Red Book and all examples show a FICON director. I would think, that like ESCON CTC, I could just connect two FICON channels together using the appropriate cable. I defined to CHPIDs as FC created a CU on each as FCTC and added 8 devices as FCTC. I can vary on the CHPIDS, but when I vary on the devices I receive. VARY 3C00,ONLINE IEE103I UNIT 3C00 NOT BROUGHT ONLINE 615 IEE763I NAME= IECVIOPM CODE= 0004 IOS551I NO PATHS PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE IEE764I END OF IEE103IRELATED MESSAGES -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC MIH
My experience with MIH in general has been that it is a throwback to the days when an I/O got lost and everything just hung. For those old enough to remember the 3330, you could pop the plug on the disk to force an interrupt to wake it up. IBM added the MIH to say basically, that if I haven't heard anything about that I/O in that interval, cancel the first I/O and redrive it. I doubt seriously that too many I/o's are lost anymore so I would say just take it up to about 15 minutes. Use the setios command. This is a very misunderstood parameter. For many years working for a major disk vendor, systems programmers would set the value low if they wanted good response time from a volume. All it did is actually elongate the I/O because it redrove it several times. If the MIH is large enough, the I/O will finish the first time. You will see this on programs like syncsort that may read an entire disk in 1 i/o. 5-10 secs will never be enough. Even if only to take MIH out of the picture, set it high. Most disk vendors now are probably recommending at least 5 minutes or larger. Bill Wilkie Dino Software From: Alan C. Field [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: FICON CTC MIH Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:04:37 -0600 The archive search and I aren't getting along this morning. Are there any recommendations for a MIH value for FICON CTCs? We haven't got anything specified in IECIOSxx but are having some difficulty getting VARY commands to them to complete. We're wondering if there is a recommendation or what other sites are using. Thanks, Alan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donationFORM=WLMTAG -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC MIH
We make pretty extensive use of FICON CTCs, including 'channel extension' over DWDM. Our IECIOS00 has no entries at all for CTCs, so we're taking defaults. No one has reported any related problems. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alan C. Field [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 01/29/2007 08:04 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject FICON CTC MIH The archive search and I aren't getting along this morning. Are there any recommendations for a MIH value for FICON CTCs? We haven't got anything specified in IECIOSxx but are having some difficulty getting VARY commands to them to complete. We're wondering if there is a recommendation or what other sites are using. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC MIH
Most disk vendors now are probably recommending at least 5 minutes or larger 15-30, the last time I checked with a vendor. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FICON CTC MIH
-- snip -- We haven't got anything specified in IECIOSxx but are having some difficulty getting VARY commands to them to complete. -- snip -- We make pretty extensive use of FICON CTCs, including 'channel extension' over DWDM. Our IECIOS00 has no entries at all for CTCs, so we're taking defaults. No one has reported any related problems. -- snip -- Same as Skip, using the defaults with no problems. d ios,mih,time=ctc IOS086I 07.25.47 MIH TIME(S) CTC =03:00. Alan, if you are having problems with Vary commands, take a look at the hardware log (HMC) and/or LOGREC to see what is happening. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
