Re: Last card reader?
1995 cards were still being used on a UNIvac system in the Middle East. Like others I loved using them for making notes as they were a perfect fit for my shirt pocket. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 7568069456759148.wa.steve.doverccbcc@bama.ua.edu, on 08/17/2011 at 08:16 AM, Steve Dover steve.do...@ccbcc.com said: Phil, we had one at Allstate Insurance until 1990. 2540 reader/punch. I sure miss the chads, they were great fun in desks and cars. I used to think so, until I learned that they could cause eye injuries. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Last card reader?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Fairchild What you showed will do a STH of some register somewhere, but not necessarily R4. For it to be R4, you need another blank character after the IEFUJV, or else delete the AL1(7) byte, or change the CL8 to CL9, etc. Adding 3 more blank characters would allow this code to store R4 somewhere and then not skip over the execution of the next instruction after the IEFUJV eye-catcher. Bill Fairchild Indeed, if an executable instruction is intended to follow the DC, and if the assembler back then ensured to assemble instructions to begin on a halfword address, it would seem that the sequence shown would attempt to store Reg0 somewhere because of the x'00' slack byte following the second blank shown. It also seems to imply that that next instruction was a two-byte instruction; else strange and wonderful things would occur immediately thereafter. Of course, it's necessary to assume that in this example, R15 contains the address of the B instruction -jc- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Last card reader? --snip - And I've had a few doozies - one program should have had an LA instruction that got keypunched as an LH; the error was discovered fourteen years later when IBM changed a control block around so the referenced field wound up on an odd boundary. unsnip This one took me 8 months to isolate: B 12(,R15) X'47F0F00C' DC AL1(7),CL8'IEFUJV' X'07C9C5C6E4D1E54040' Ended up doing a STH of R4 at what appeared to be a totally random address. Only failed when the clobbered storage was executed. :-) Our systems staff had its own sandbox to play, and test, all changes, but that guy's under- confidence was such that he wouldn't even test on our sandbox. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Last card reader?
In 7568069456759148.wa.steve.doverccbcc@bama.ua.edu, on 08/17/2011 at 08:16 AM, Steve Dover steve.do...@ccbcc.com said: Phil, we had one at Allstate Insurance until 1990. 2540 reader/punch. I sure miss the chads, they were great fun in desks and cars. I used to think so, until I learned that they could cause eye injuries. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Last card reader?
--snip- And I've had a few doozies - one program should have had an LA instruction that got keypunched as an LH; the error was discovered fourteen years later when IBM changed a control block around so the referenced field wound up on an odd boundary. unsnip This one took me 8 months to isolate: B 12(,R15) X'47F0F00C' DC AL1(7),CL8'IEFUJV' X'07C9C5C6E4D1E54040' Ended up doing a STH of R4 at what appeared to be a totally random address. Only failed when the clobbered storage was executed. :-) Our systems staff had its own sandbox to play, and test, all changes, but that guy's under-confidence was such that he wouldn't even test on our sandbox. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Ted MacNEIL wrote: couldn't be troubled to double-check his work and still get my work done. Where do you draw the lines? Always a difficult call. In 30 years (PLUS), I've only been involved in terminating people twice. One was easy: he was so incompetent, we had to remove all his update access. He couldn't find his butt with both hands, a flashlight and a roadmap. The other was heart wrenching: he was the overly cautious type, and he had two small kids and a single income family. ---unsnip--- I know exactly how you feel but being a manager means that sometimes you just have to step up to the plate and deal with unpleasant situations. You don't have to like it, but you DO have to do it. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Last card reader?
What you showed will do a STH of some register somewhere, but not necessarily R4. For it to be R4, you need another blank character after the IEFUJV, or else delete the AL1(7) byte, or change the CL8 to CL9, etc. Adding 3 more blank characters would allow this code to store R4 somewhere and then not skip over the execution of the next instruction after the IEFUJV eye-catcher. Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Last card reader? --snip- And I've had a few doozies - one program should have had an LA instruction that got keypunched as an LH; the error was discovered fourteen years later when IBM changed a control block around so the referenced field wound up on an odd boundary. unsnip This one took me 8 months to isolate: B 12(,R15) X'47F0F00C' DC AL1(7),CL8'IEFUJV' X'07C9C5C6E4D1E54040' Ended up doing a STH of R4 at what appeared to be a totally random address. Only failed when the clobbered storage was executed. :-) Our systems staff had its own sandbox to play, and test, all changes, but that guy's under-confidence was such that he wouldn't even test on our sandbox. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Last card reader?
I have memories that at one time IBM had minimum hardware requirements for systems assurance. That include not just a card reader but also a punch eg 2541 ?, plus printer and tape drive. This requirement existed past the time that most customers wanted punch equipement. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Ken also a punch eg 2541 ?, ... The 2540 was an enormously versatile machine in that it not only supported the card reading function but also the card punching function. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/2540.html Google ad: first hit with search words IBM 2540 picture. But, looking at the picture I realise I've forgotten which feed was the reader feed and which was the punch feed! Chris Mason On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:49:31 +1000, Ken Brick kbr...@netspace.net.au wrote: I have memories that at one time IBM had minimum hardware requirements for systems assurance. That include not just a card reader but also a punch eg 2541 ?, plus printer and tape drive. This requirement existed past the time that most customers wanted punch equipement. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:33:38 -0500 Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net wrote: : also a punch eg 2541 ?, ... :The 2540 was an enormously versatile machine in that it not only supported the card reading function but also the card punching function. :http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/2540.html :Google ad: first hit with search words IBM 2540 picture. :But, looking at the picture I realise I've forgotten which feed was the reader feed and which was the punch feed! I would bet that a lot of operators did as well. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Last card reader?
Think it was right hand side reader, can remember some horrific card jams and trying to straighten the brushes on the reader. John Cousins BSc BA Senior IT Officer Central Support Services ICT Division Bristol City Council Romney House Romney Avenue PO Box 1380 Bristol BS7 9TB Tel : 0117 922 4705 Fax: 0117 922 3983 e-mail: john.cous...@bristol.gov.uk Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net 18/08/2011 11:33 Ken also a punch eg 2541 ?, ... The 2540 was an enormously versatile machine in that it not only supported the card reading function but also the card punching function. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/2540.html Google ad: first hit with search words IBM 2540 picture. But, looking at the picture I realise I've forgotten which feed was the reader feed and which was the punch feed! Chris Mason On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:49:31 +1000, Ken Brick kbr...@netspace.net.au wrote: I have memories that at one time IBM had minimum hardware requirements for systems assurance. That include not just a card reader but also a punch eg 2541 ?, plus printer and tape drive. This requirement existed past the time that most customers wanted punch equipement. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html __ 'Do it online' with our growing range of online services - http://www.bristol.gov.uk/services Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect View webcasts of Council meetings at http://www.bristol.gov.uk/webcast Bristol is the UK's first Cycling City. Visit www.betterbybike.info to join thousands of others getting around by bike. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Back from my days in the computer room. The 2540 had a long slanted card read station and you would place the cards to be read in that. As the cards were being read the reader would vibrate the cards so they would be ready to be read. To get all the static electricity out of the cards. The other side was the punch. Memory is iffy here. You could merge the cards read if you wanted to into the third bin and also the insert punched cards. Other wise the right 2 bins were only for reading of cards and the left two bins were for punching. Its been years so don't come down on me if I am wrong. Ed ---SNIP-- :http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/2540.html :Google ad: first hit with search words IBM 2540 picture. :But, looking at the picture I realise I've forgotten which feed was the reader feed and which was the punch feed! I would bet that a lot of operators did as well. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Last card reader?
chrisma...@belgacom.net (Chris Mason) writes: The 2540 was an enormously versatile machine in that it not only supported the card reading function but also the card punching function. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/2540.html Google ad: first hit with search words IBM 2540 picture. But, looking at the picture I realise I've forgotten which feed was the reader feed and which was the punch feed! re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#13 Last card reader? reader ran faster than the punch ... punch had hopper for maybe couple hundred cards (on left) ... reader had slopping tray feed (on the right) could get at least a box of cards (2000) bitsavers more detailed 2540 (but poorly scanned ... hard to make out details) http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/A21-9033-1_2540_CompDescr.pdf 1402 was similar ... lot more detail better scan: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/140x/231-0002-2_1402_Card_Read-Punch_CE_Manual_1962.pdf bitsaver is also good for older tab machines: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/punchedCard/ -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Sounds a bit harsh Ed! ...let he who hath omitted no comma sack the first sysprog. the guy was fired the next morning. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 08/17/2011 06:05 PM, Ed Gould wrote: Rick, My vague memory was a 407 read cards and you had a board you could place wires what you wanted to o print add subtract and take the results and print it out on the printer(132? Positions?). The wires were collided. So you could manipulate the data if needed and move it to the print buffer . I don#39;t think you could divide just add subtract and maybe multiply. ( not sure about multiply). Ed I used to have a xerox copy of a 407 board wiring configuration that was supposed to do multiplication. I never tried it, as no longer had access to a 407 at the time I first saw this, but preserved it just because it was fascinating that it could be done at all. The 407 had the ability to suppress card advance and re-read the same card multiple times. Someone figured out how to use that feature to perform multiplication by repeated addition. No doubt would have been a slow as heck, but amazing that it could be done at all. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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That was one of the issues. There were other issues as well. But as I found out later that the company was cutting staff for a move southeast. They were a less than reputable company and it was a happy day wen I walked out of the place myself. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I wonder how damaged the card was afterwords? If I recall correctly, the 407 can confetti a deck pretty well. It wasn't as good as the sorters, but it could usually manage. Lloyd - Original Message From: Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu, August 18, 2011 11:36:33 AM Subject: Re: Last card reader? The 407 had the ability to suppress card advance and re-read the same card multiple times. Someone figured out how to use that feature to perform multiplication by repeated addition. No doubt would have been a slow as heck, but amazing that it could be done at all. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Last card reader?
In a 407, the cards remain stationary while they are being read. There are 960 reading brushes in each of the two reading stations, one for each possible punch position on the card. One application that would use this was the printing of address labels. The name, address, and city state zip were punched into a single card, and each card would be read three times to print the label. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Yeah, but I could type faster than that stupid thing and it was only 80 chars. wide. Rick -- Tom Harper wrote: Rick, Couldn't you also get printout from the console typewriter? Tom - Original Message - From: Rick Fochtman [mailto:rfocht...@ync.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 06:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Last card reader? snip- Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a museum? I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that controlled one of those. I also used to maintain them as a Field Engineer, but that was in 1964. I last worked on one in 1966 before I left for system 360 programming school in Poughkeepsie (I haven't seen once since). :-) -unsnip- Was that a 402 or a 407? I still have a 407 board that takes 80 columns from the first card and 52 columns from the second line to create a single 132-character line. It was the only way we could get a print-out from our 1620. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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You could also multiply, but I never tried to divide so I don't know about that. Rick - Ed Gould wrote: Rick, My vague memory was a 407 read cards and you had a board you could place wires what you wanted to o print add subtract and take the results and print it out on the printer(132? Positions?). The wires were collided. So you could manipulate the data if needed and move it to the print buffer . I don#39;t think you could divide just add subtract and maybe multiply. ( not sure about multiply). Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Chuckle... I don't think they had zip codes back then... Ed From: Robert Heffner robert.heff...@antaressolutions.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Last card reader? In a 407, the cards remain stationary while they are being read. There are 960 reading brushes in each of the two reading stations, one for each possible punch position on the card. One application that would use this was the printing of address labels. The name, address, and city state zip were punched into a single card, and each card would be read three times to print the label. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Rick: I never worked on the 407, but I'm guessing that if it could multiply, it could probably divide. As a field engineer, I did maintain the IBM 602, which was electro-mechanical and card based, but could both multiply and divide. Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 08/18/2011 04:44 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: You could also multiply, but I never tried to divide so I don't know about that. Rick - Ed Gould wrote: Rick, My vague memory was a 407 read cards and you had a board you could place wires what you wanted to o print add subtract and take the results and print it out on the printer(132? Positions?). The wires were collided. So you could manipulate the data if needed and move it to the print buffer . I don#39;t think you could divide just add subtract and maybe multiply. ( not sure about multiply). Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_code 1963 for 5 digits. 1980s for 5+4. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com wrote: Chuckle... I don't think they had zip codes back then... Ed -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-snip The 2540 was an enormously versatile machine in that it not only supported the card reading function but also the card punching function. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/2540.html Google ad: first hit with search words IBM 2540 picture. But, looking at the picture I realise I've forgotten which feed was the reader feed and which was the punch feed! -unsnip Reader feed was on the right end. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:02:35 -0400, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com wrote: I never worked on the 407, but I'm guessing that if it could multiply, it could probably divide. As a field engineer, I did maintain the IBM 602, which was electro-mechanical and card based, but could both multiply and divide. IIRC, I once worked with a mechanical desk calculator that could divide but not multiply. It was easy enough to multiply with shifts and a deft touch on the typematic + key. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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---snip Sounds a bit harsh Ed! ...let he who hath omitted no comma sack the first sysprog. the guy was fired the next morning. ---unsnip I agree, Andy (If I make make so bold with your name). The person's past history might have been pretty bad and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. But I had one under me that was terrified at the thought of making ANY change in the PARMLIB; he's always ask me to double-check the change and make it, if it was a valid change. He didn't last long with us because he was just too afraid to be confident of his work. I couldn't be troubled to double-check his work and still get my work done. Where do you draw the lines? Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In m31uwkp31p@garlic.com, on 08/17/2011 at 09:42 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: registration program was moved from 709 to 360 You really mean 709 and not 7090? That's a big jump! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 1313622357.71803.yahoomailmob...@web161427.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, on 08/17/2011 at 04:05 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com said: My vague memory was a 407 read cards and you had a board you could place wires what you wanted to o print add subtract and take the results and print it out on the printer(132? Positions?). As I recall, 120, and it took two prints cycles for a full line. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 4e4c4046.8020...@ync.net, on 08/17/2011 at 05:27 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: Was that a 402 or a 407? Wasn't the 407 just a fancier 402? I still have a 407 board that takes 80 columns from the first card and 52 columns from the second line to create a single 132-character line. Are you sure? I don't recall the 407 being that wide. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 4e4ce02b.4000...@netspace.net.au, on 08/18/2011 at 07:49 PM, Ken Brick kbr...@netspace.net.au said: That include not just a card reader but also a punch eg 2541 ?, AFAIK there was no 2540. There was a 2501 card reader and a 2540 card reader/punch, plus a few less common devices. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 8/18/2011 5:30 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: because he was just too afraid to be confident of his work. I couldn't be troubled to double-check his work and still get my work done. Where do you draw the lines? I've worked at places that separated test and production environments, and to even have your work considered for production testing it had to be checked by another. It's generally cheaper to pay for extra employees than to fix costly problems, or worse, put trojan horses into your system. And I've had a few doozies - one program should have had an LA instruction that got keypunched as an LH; the error was discovered fourteen years later when IBM changed a control block around so the referenced field wound up on an odd boundary. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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couldn't be troubled to double-check his work and still get my work done. Where do you draw the lines? Always a difficult call. In 30 years (PLUS), I've only been involved in terminating people twice. One was easy: he was so incompetent, we had to remove all his update access. He couldn't find his butt with both hands, a flashlight and a roadmap. The other was heart wrenching: he was the overly cautious type, and he had two small kids and a single income family. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: You really mean 709 and not 7090? That's a big jump! re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#8 Last card reader? univ. supposedly had something like #3 709, thousands of tubes that constantly required maintenance ... something like 20 ton air conditioning capacity. much of workload was student fortran ibsys running tape-to-tape (second or two elapsed) ... with 1401 front-end for unit record (carried tape between 709 drives and 1401 drives) there was intermediate step replacing 1401 with 360/30 ... started out with 360/30 running hardware emulation for the MPIO that did the unit-record-tape. I got student job rewritting MPIO in 360 assembler got to design my own stand-alone monitor, interrupt handlers, device drivers, console interface, etc. then move to os/360 on 360/65 (actually 360/67 spent most of the time running as 360/65, replaced both 709 360/30) ... much less heat. student jobs then ran 3step fortran-g, complie, link-edit, go ... over a minute elapsed time per student jog; hasp got it down to over 30+ seconds elapsed time. I started taking stage-2 sysgens completely apart and put them back together for careful ordering of files and pds members to optimize arm seek ... getting down to a little under 13seconds elapsed time (nearly three times improvement) it wasn't until univ. installed watfor that student job elapsed time got down to 709. the univ. was supposedly getting 360/67 to run tss/360 ... but tss/360 failed to reach any reasonable operational level. eventually did get (virtual machine) cp67 january 1968 ... and the univ. let me play with it on weekends. I rewrote large sections of cp67 before graduating. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:09:48 -0500 Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: My CE still uses cards to write notes on, if you want to be literal about what a 'card reader' is. Clearing out my office today I found a couple of wads of ruled Amdahl cards for just this purpose. Nice corporate red, even have To and date headers. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 17/08/2011 08:19 AM, Barry Merrill wrote: Related: when did IBM create the last IBM cards? I believe that the plant in Greencastle, Ind was supposed to be the creator of all (USA?) card blanks. Barry Merrill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html I think that in Australia we ended up getting our cards from a plant in Eire -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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FWIW the last IBM 3505 I saw was in 1984. I remember one time the CE was called in to fix it (kept data checking or some such). Apparently, 3505's had optical sensors to detect the holes, and this particular unit was occasionally spitting machine oil onto the cards. As the machine oil soaked into the card you could hold it up to the light and see through it. The CE smugly announced that, from the 3505's point of view, the card was transparent to the user! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Phil, we had one at Allstate Insurance until 1990. 2540 reader/punch. I sure miss the chads, they were great fun in desks and cars. But I do not miss hauling the 50 pound boxes around. On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:08:04 -0700, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote: Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? BTW, http://www.cardamation.com/punchcardmedia.html claims to still sell them, if you need an 80-byte fix! -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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steve.do...@ccbcc.com (Steve Dover) writes: Phil, we had one at Allstate Insurance until 1990. 2540 reader/punch. I sure miss the chads, they were great fun in desks and cars. But I do not miss hauling the 50 pound boxes around. as undergraduate in the 60s ... univ. was using sense-marked cards (no.2 pencil) for class registration ... tables in the gym and students would get card for each class and fill in their information. Then cards were run thru and holes punched (solid manilla color cards) registration program was moved from 709 to 360 with 2540 reader/punch. all the cards were in large number of trays (about 3000 per ... about box half) were fed into the 2540 reader. I wrote subroutine to feed into the middle stacker (stacker 3) ... registration program would validate the registration information and if it found a problem, a blank card would be punched behind it (middle stacker, stacker 3 was selectable from both the reader and the punch). The punch had been loaded with top-edge red-stripe cards ... so when everything was done ... it was possible to pick out class registration cards with errors ... by the top red-stripe edge card immediately following it in the tray. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I woulkdn't mind finding a 96-column keypunch. Gotta be a real rarity. :-) Yes, very rare. I only know of a handful of them. The 96 column card sorter is beyond rare. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Well if you don't count a straightened paper clip! In a message dated 8/17/2011 1:50:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wdonze...@gmail.com writes: The 96 column card sorter is beyond rare. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I'll have to find my sort needle from the basement archive. It was originally used for the 80 column 5081s but did work for the 96s. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Last card reader? Well if you don't count a straightened paper clip! In a message dated 8/17/2011 1:50:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wdonze...@gmail.com writes: The 96 column card sorter is beyond rare. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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We took a big lightening hit back in the sixties and the machine room was OK but lots of the peripheral equipment was fried. Naturally when we went to IPL, the operator dropped the deck! 'Necessity IS the mother of invention' In a message dated 8/17/2011 2:38:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tbabo...@comcast.net writes: It was originally used for the 80 column 5081s but did work for the 96s. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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My previous employer used cards until about 1995. The factory payroll clock cards and time tickets were 80 column cards, and they used the end printing function of a 519 reproducer to print the employee number on the end of the clock cards. Just before the 3505 was removed, I received a call on a Sunday morning from the operator who had just IPLed the system, and said the TSO TCAS started task would not stay running. When I arrived, I discovered that the RACF userid for the TCAS had been revoked. I was contemplating having to restore the RACF databases when I looked over and saw the old 3505 sitting there. So I went and fired up the 029 and punched up the job to resume the TSO userid. I refer to this as the time a card reader saved my behind. Of course, the software has been improved so a revoked userid will not prevent a started task from running. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I was going to add that there is a small company in Texas that not only still uses cards, but uses a 402 to process them. Talk about one for Ripley's. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a museum? I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that controlled one of those. I also used to maintain them as a Field Engineer, but that was in 1964. I last worked on one in 1966 before I left for system 360 programming school in Poughkeepsie (I haven't seen once since). :-) Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 08/17/2011 04:36 PM, Robert Heffner wrote: I was going to add that there is a small company in Texas that not only still uses cards, but uses a 402 to process them. Talk about one for Ripley's. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Like these kind of stories... I basically had a fit when I first heard we were losing our card readers since I had no other way to run my batch print jobs. No one bothered to teach my how to use FQ ahead of time. The year was 1980. We kept the key punch operators for a few more years after that though, but their data went to tape instead. --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Robert Heffner robert.heff...@antaressolutions.com wrote: From: Robert Heffner robert.heff...@antaressolutions.com Subject: Re: Last card reader? To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 4:32 PM My previous employer used cards until about 1995. The factory payroll clock cards and time tickets were 80 column cards, and they used the end printing function of a 519 reproducer to print the employee number on the end of the clock cards. Just before the 3505 was removed, I received a call on a Sunday morning from the operator who had just IPLed the system, and said the TSO TCAS started task would not stay running. When I arrived, I discovered that the RACF userid for the TCAS had been revoked. I was contemplating having to restore the RACF databases when I looked over and saw the old 3505 sitting there. So I went and fired up the 029 and punched up the job to resume the TSO userid. I refer to this as the time a card reader saved my behind. Of course, the software has been improved so a revoked userid will not prevent a started task from running. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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http://www.ibm-1401.info/402.html On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com wrote: Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a museum? I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that controlled one of those. I also used to maintain them as a Field Engineer, but that was in 1964. I last worked on one in 1966 before I left for system 360 programming school in Poughkeepsie (I haven't seen once since). :-) Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 08/17/2011 04:36 PM, Robert Heffner wrote: I was going to add that there is a small company in Texas that not only still uses cards, but uses a 402 to process them. Talk about one for Ripley's. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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snip- Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a museum? I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that controlled one of those. I also used to maintain them as a Field Engineer, but that was in 1964. I last worked on one in 1966 before I left for system 360 programming school in Poughkeepsie (I haven't seen once since). :-) -unsnip- Was that a 402 or a 407? I still have a 407 board that takes 80 columns from the first card and 52 columns from the second line to create a single 132-character line. It was the only way we could get a print-out from our 1620. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Rick, Couldn't you also get printout from the console typewriter? Tom - Original Message - From: Rick Fochtman [mailto:rfocht...@ync.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 06:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Last card reader? snip- Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a museum? I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that controlled one of those. I also used to maintain them as a Field Engineer, but that was in 1964. I last worked on one in 1966 before I left for system 360 programming school in Poughkeepsie (I haven't seen once since). :-) -unsnip- Was that a 402 or a 407? I still have a 407 board that takes 80 columns from the first card and 52 columns from the second line to create a single 132-character line. It was the only way we could get a print-out from our 1620. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Rick: No, it was definitely a 402. The 407 was around at the time, but I never got trained on it. If I recall correctly, the boards looked a lot the same. Mike Myers On 08/17/2011 06:27 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: snip- Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a museum? I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that controlled one of those. I also used to maintain them as a Field Engineer, but that was in 1964. I last worked on one in 1966 before I left for system 360 programming school in Poughkeepsie (I haven't seen once since). :-) -unsnip- Was that a 402 or a 407? I still have a 407 board that takes 80 columns from the first card and 52 columns from the second line to create a single 132-character line. It was the only way we could get a print-out from our 1620. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Rick, My vague memory was a 407 read cards and you had a board you could place wires what you wanted to o print add subtract and take the results and print it out on the printer(132? Positions?). The wires were collided. So you could manipulate the data if needed and move it to the print buffer . I don#39;t think you could divide just add subtract and maybe multiply. ( not sure about multiply). Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Your correct the 402 and 407 boards were similar. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:42:03 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Reply-to: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Last card reader? Rick: No, it was definitely a 402. The 407 was around at the time, but I never got trained on it. If I recall correctly, the boards looked a lot the same. Mike Myers On 08/17/2011 06:27 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: snip- Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a museum? I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that controlled one of those. I also used to maintain them as a Field Engineer, but that was in 1964. I last worked on one in 1966 before I left for system 360 programming school in Poughkeepsie (I haven't seen once since). :-) -unsnip- Was that a 402 or a 407? I still have a 407 board that takes 80 columns from the first card and 52 columns from the second line to create a single 132-character line. It was the only way we could get a print-out from our 1620. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 8/17/2011 4:36 PM, Robert Heffner wrote: I was going to add that there is a small company in Texas that not only still uses cards, but uses a 402 to process them. Talk about one for Ripley's. My all-time favorite is a small establishment on Times Square in New York City. A customer would provide details, the attendant would punch stuff into a card, shuffle it into a deck of a couple of hundred other cards, and run them through a card sorter. After a few times, exactly one card fell into the lucky slot, containing the customer's fortune. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Wasn#39;t there a card reader as a requirement for 3090 and before so the CE could install the OLTEP program and a rudimentary IOCDS to run his diagnostics? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I have a similar tale. A so called systems programmer screwed up an update to IEAAPF00 and we lost VTAM at start up. I had to run IKJEFT01 in TSO line mode edit to put in a comma that he forgot. The operators thought I was crazy, but it worked quickly. the guy was fired the next morning. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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ps2...@yahoo.com (Ed Gould) writes: Wasn#39;t there a card reader as a requirement for 3090 and before so the CE could install the OLTEP program and a rudimentary IOCDS to run his diagnostics? 3092 (3090 service processor) was a pair of 4361s running a special custom vm370 release 6 off of 3370 FBA drives. All that stuff chould have come on 3370 FBA disks as part of the service processor. aka at bottom mentions 3092 requires two 3370 FBA devices (one for each 4361 running vm370): http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PP3090.html above also mentions that 3092 (aka vm370 4361s) requires access to 3420 tape drive. misc. past posts mentioning 3092: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#22 Evil weather http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#50 Mainframe Hall of Fame: 17 New Members Added http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#32 Need tool to zap core http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#34 Need tool to zap core http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#38 Need tool to zap core http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#71 IBM and the Computer Revolution http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#62 3090 ... announce 12Feb85 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#31 TCP/IP Available on MVS When? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#32 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#42 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear in future and it still has not happened http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#68 IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The last time I used a card reader was in 1978. A 2540 reader/punch on a 3148.Students used 029's and 026's. The data entry staff used 129's. I say used a card reader -- but we had operators who operated the card reader during regular hours -- 8AM until about 8PM. After hours it was self-service for those who had a key to the machine room.I was a student programmer (work-study) and later an employee, so I had a key. I remember being told about the 2540's brushes and to never ever pull a jammed card out backwards -- and I never ever did. Left La Tech in late '78 and am sure the cards were used for at least several years after that. All their administrative and student systems were card based in that era. Larry Chenevert - Original Message - From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: Last card reader? Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? BTW, http://www.cardamation.com/punchcardmedia.html claims to still sell them, if you need an 80-byte fix! -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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At a previous site, I think we pushed the card punches out the door in about 1986. By the time we got rid of them (both an 029 and an 026) the only thing they were used for was replication of boot cards. We were running an NCR Century 200 that did a boot from cards to give it enough intelligence to do the real OS boot from disk. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Last card reader? Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? BTW, http://www.cardamation.com/punchcardmedia.html claims to still sell them, if you need an 80-byte fix! -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html The information contained in this e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited and that you will be held responsible for any such unauthorized activity, including liability for any resulting damages. As appropriate, such incident(s) may also be reported to law enforcement. If you received this e-mail in error, please reply to sender and destroy or delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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W dniu 2011-08-16 20:08, Phil Smith pisze: Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? You will never be sure. Such datacenters are not very famous and used as reference ;-) For example, last year I heard tah last Odra (polish mainframe under license from ICL) was switched off. This year I hear that another Odra was switched off. BTW: I'm not 100% sure, but it it very likely that at least one of the shops used (real) cards until the end. BTW: Some other datacenter used PC as a card reader and txt files as card sets. BTW2: IMHO JES2 Internal Reader is software implementation of card reader ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.346.696 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? As of a couple of years ago, there still was a small shop in Ohio that would have to deal with cards from time to time, and had both 80 and 96 column readers. They also had few working 3741s and 3742s for data entry. Likewise, in the very late 90s, I took a tour of a bank's datacenter in Chicago (I think they had a 9021) that had a 3505/3525 pair, I think connected to a channel with a 2914 switch. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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My CE still uses cards to write notes on, if you want to be literal about what a 'card reader' is. For your enjoyment today: http://www.kloth.net/services/cardpunch.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I LOVE Cards. Fits perfectly in your pocket, just right for writing on! Doug -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Last card reader? My CE still uses cards to write notes on, if you want to be literal about what a 'card reader' is. For your enjoyment today: http://www.kloth.net/services/cardpunch.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:10 PM My CE still uses cards to write notes on, if you want to be literal about what a 'card reader' is. Isn't it a little time consuming to punch all those little holes by hand? I remember the IBM 026 as slow ;-) Bill Bass UnitedHealth Care Greenville, SC This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:22:30 +0200, R.S. wrote: For example, last year I heard tah last Odra (polish mainframe under license from ICL) was switched off. This year I hear that another Odra was switched off. BTW: I'm not 100% sure, but it it very likely that at least one of the shops used (real) cards until the end. BTW: Some other datacenter used PC as a card reader and txt files as card sets. BTW2: IMHO JES2 Internal Reader is software implementation of card reader ;-) Will a z/OS guest under VM still accept jobs from a CP-attached virtual reader? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 8/16/2011 12:35 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Will a z/OS guest under VM still accept jobs from a CP-attached virtual reader? Absolutely! -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I was still using them in the late 80's early 90's, forget the exact year we finally got off them. I want to be buried with a /*EOF card ... -Original Message- Phil Smith Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? BTW, http://www.cardamation.com/punchcardmedia.html claims to still sell them, if you need an 80-byte fix! -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I believe when I was at PH Mining, our card reader/punch was finally disconnected when we moved the datacenter in 1994. I don't think it was used much the last few years. I can remember during probably the late 80's, having a problem with the card punch. After about 3 or 4 days with the punch being down, the factory was starting to run out of work. They couldn't punch out picking tickets for parts or labor tickets. We had a 3rd party vendor servicing the punch, and they had to pay IBM to come in and finally fix it. -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote: Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? BTW, http://www.cardamation.com/punchcardmedia.html claims to still sell them, if you need an 80-byte fix! -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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About the same time as you. It was reader,punch, interpreter. At the time it was used to interpret time cards for union workers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:08:04 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Reply-to: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Last card reader? Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? BTW, http://www.cardamation.com/punchcardmedia.html claims to still sell them, if you need an 80-byte fix! -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Phil Smith wrote: Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? BTW, http://www.cardamation.com/punchcardmedia.html claims to still sell them, if you need an 80-byte fix! -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Last one I used was connected to a 3148 in about 1977. (3505/3525 pair). I think NIU still hs a 2821/2540 but can't be sure. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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William Donzelli wrote: Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals. What's the latest anyone remembers using a card reader? As of a couple of years ago, there still was a small shop in Ohio that would have to deal with cards from time to time, and had both 80 and 96 column readers. They also had few working 3741s and 3742s for data entry. Likewise, in the very late 90s, I took a tour of a bank's datacenter in Chicago (I think they had a 9021) that had a 3505/3525 pair, I think connected to a channel with a 2914 switch. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html I woulkdn't mind finding a 96-column keypunch. Gotta be a real rarity. :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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snip I was still using them in the late 80's early 90's, forget the exact year we finally got off them. I want to be buried with a /*EOF card ... -unsnip Face down, 9-edge away from your hand? :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Related: when did IBM create the last IBM cards? I believe that the plant in Greencastle, Ind was supposed to be the creator of all (USA?) card blanks. Barry Merrill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Related: when did IBM create the last IBM cards? I believe that the plant in Greencastle, Ind was supposed to be the creator of all (USA?) card blanks. IBM still gets cards, but for use by executives. They are made in a little print shop in Armonk. Available in about 12 colors. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hi Will, Sure would like to have some! :) Linda - Original Message - From: William Donzelli wdonze...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49:39 PM Subject: Re: Last card reader? Related: when did IBM create the last IBM cards? I believe that the plant in Greencastle, Ind was supposed to be the creator of all (USA?) card blanks. IBM still gets cards, but for use by executives. They are made in a little print shop in Armonk. Available in about 12 colors. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hi Mary Anne, Thanks for the link. Way cool. Our 3525 readers lasted until the early (maybe mid) 1990's when the last one was removed. We used 'em to count the vote years before pregnant and hanging chads , to handle a couple of older inventory systems, for JCL decks, and remember the old library systems? Cases and cases and cases for the library books. Linda - Original Message - From: Mary Anne Matyaz maryanne4...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:09:48 PM Subject: Re: Last card reader? My CE still uses cards to write notes on, if you want to be literal about what a 'card reader' is. For your enjoyment today: http://www.kloth.net/services/cardpunch.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Just for fun, I still have an 029 control card drum. It still has a card on it for punching assembler. A little piece of history. Does any computer museum need one? Christopher Y. Blaicher Senior Software Developer Austin Development Lab phone: 512.340.6154 mobile: 512.627.3803 fax: 512.340.6647 10431 Morado Circle Austin, TX 78759 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of William Donzelli Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Last card reader? Related: when did IBM create the last IBM cards? I believe that the plant in Greencastle, Ind was supposed to be the creator of all (USA?) card blanks. IBM still gets cards, but for use by executives. They are made in a little print shop in Armonk. Available in about 12 colors. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Just for fun, I still have an 029 control card drum. It still has a card on it for punching assembler. A little piece of history. Does any computer museum need one? Likely not, but I can ask. I actually have a box full of them. If anyone here wants one, let me know. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
