Re: P390
Hi, I have a question regarding developing z/OS Software education. Is that considered to be development or production use? Thanks. Denis Gaebler. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Re: P390 On Friday, 11/17/2006 at 02:37 ZE9, Timothy Sipples/Chicago/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, a z800 is eligible for PWD, or so I've been told. Discounts on h/w in PWD require that you have an active interest in developing a software product, and provide to IBM a plan that shows when you expect to GA it. That means you need have an active business. You also may not sublease or use the hardware for production. Likewise, the s/w you obtain via PWD is also not for production use. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:47:33 +0900, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, agreed. As Dave Jones points out, PWD would provide development licenses at a very attractive price. I had a slightly different goal in mind with that blog post, a home mainframe with full license rights for time sharing, commercial use (such as hosting a Web site), etc. I assumed those uses would fall outside the PWD agreement. Either way it is an interesting thought exercise -- and, I hope, more than that if/when I open my personal data center. :-) One thing I didn't consider is whether it would be possible to set up PWD LPARs alongside full commercially licensed z/OS.e LPARs, on the same system. That might be another way to go for the CICS, IMS, COBOL, PL/I application development resources while still providing commercial capabilities under z/OS.e (for Web hosting, as an example). I presume that a z800 can be used for PWD use as I know of ISVs that use rather larger systems but I doubt you would get the ADCD as these are (were?) only for FLEX-ES based systems which means you're going to need ESCON and tape drives. However even if this were possible, which I presume it is, I personally would not want to run zOS.e for such a system. The only compiler is for C/C++ which pretty much limits you to that and that only. Re: disk, there are boxes such as these: http://www.bustech.com/products/zdasd-3990-controller.asp http://www.luminex.com/products/virtualblue/3990.htm And the FLEXCUB from http://www.funsoft.com/ Seb. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390
Sebastian Welton writes: I presume that a z800 can be used for PWD use as I know of ISVs that use rather larger systems but I doubt you would get the ADCD as these are (were?) only for FLEX-ES based systems which means you're going to need ESCON and tape drives. Yes, a z800 is eligible for PWD, or so I've been told. ADCD is still OK except for initial z/OS.e load. I believe the z800 was the first DVD loading mainframe, and that works for z/VM and Linux. For z/OS.e, I've checked prices for tape drives (3490, 3590) on the secondary market, and they're quite reasonable. The 3590s seem plentiful right now, probably because of all the shops that upgraded to 3592s and TS1120s, including the encrypting TS1120s. However even if this were possible, which I presume it is, I personally would not want to run zOS.e for such a system. The only compiler is for C/C++ which pretty much limits you to that and that only. And Java. That's OK for me, but your mileage may vary. There are also interpreted languages available like Perl, LotusScript, and, if eweek.com is correct, PHP. (PHP is already available, but eweek.com says that Zend will enter the support business for it.) And Assembler. I'll have to read the fine print, but the z/OS.e Web site says that the COBOL, PL/I, and FORTRAN compilers are not eligible. Maybe that still leaves BASIC, Pascal, RPG, and REXX compilers as options, but that's not an issue for me. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390
On Friday, 11/17/2006 at 02:37 ZE9, Timothy Sipples/Chicago/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, a z800 is eligible for PWD, or so I've been told. Discounts on h/w in PWD require that you have an active interest in developing a software product, and provide to IBM a plan that shows when you expect to GA it. That means you need have an active business. You also may not sublease or use the hardware for production. Likewise, the s/w you obtain via PWD is also not for production use. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390
I posted an item at The Mainframe Blog (http://mainframe.typepad.com) today with a discussion of what's currently involved in obtaining a home mainframe (which might be personal or might be shared among a group of developers). The post might spur some interesting comments, and anyone is welcome to comment. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390
Hi, It would more interesting to have a z/OS (not z/OS.e) calculation with IMS and DB2, because thats what would be required by most developers I know. Are we still talking about 30.000 USD? And what monthly charges at the lowest level? Denis Gaebler. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: P390 I posted an item at The Mainframe Blog (http://mainframe.typepad.com) today with a discussion of what's currently involved in obtaining a home mainframe (which might be personal or might be shared among a group of developers). The post might spur some interesting comments, and anyone is welcome to comment. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390
That all becomes very interesting when you put numbers to it. You know $30,000 is about what you pay for a Flex/ES machine with the emulation software. I can see one distinct advantage to Flex, which is hardware peripheral emulation, like fake-tape and DASD. It seems that you get killed on the software costs, but they're not as much for a small machine as I imagined. As an IBM development partner could you get an even bigger break on the software costs? Why not the entire range of z/OS software like with the ADCD collection? If IBM would give you this to do development for little or no cost then there would be little need for an emulation machine. To run a business, the prices you mentioned were quite reasonable. Thanks for helping put things into perspective. Lindy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: P390 I posted an item at The Mainframe Blog (http://mainframe.typepad.com) today with a discussion of what's currently involved in obtaining a home mainframe (which might be personal or might be shared among a group of developers). The post might spur some interesting comments, and anyone is welcome to comment. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390
Timothy, why worry about the cost of z/OS.e? If you have a z800 and are using it to develop z/OS software, why not just join the IBM PWD program and get a license for z/OS, plus all of the development tools you need for no charge? While the PWD program is geared towards developers that have the Flex-ES systems, I don't think there is anything in the terms and conditions of that program that would preclude your membership (with all of it's benefits) if you were using a slightly bigger (and real) IBM mainframe as your development system. If I am mistaken in this, I am sure somebody from the IBM PWD program can correct it. On the other hand, a z800 weighs quit a bit, and will certainly cause your electric bill to go up, not to mention your a/c usage (depending on where you live, of course). And there is the issue of DASDthe z800 comes with no DASD, so you'll need some sort of 3390, Shark, DS8000, etc. That will increase the cost and power/space requirements too. DJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390
Lindy writes: As an IBM development partner could you get an even bigger break on the software costs? Why not the entire range of z/OS software like with the ADCD collection? If IBM would give you this to do development for little or no cost then there would be little need for an emulation machine. Yes, agreed. As Dave Jones points out, PWD would provide development licenses at a very attractive price. I had a slightly different goal in mind with that blog post, a home mainframe with full license rights for time sharing, commercial use (such as hosting a Web site), etc. I assumed those uses would fall outside the PWD agreement. Either way it is an interesting thought exercise -- and, I hope, more than that if/when I open my personal data center. :-) One thing I didn't consider is whether it would be possible to set up PWD LPARs alongside full commercially licensed z/OS.e LPARs, on the same system. That might be another way to go for the CICS, IMS, COBOL, PL/I application development resources while still providing commercial capabilities under z/OS.e (for Web hosting, as an example). Re: disk, there are boxes such as these: http://www.bustech.com/products/zdasd-3990-controller.asp http://www.luminex.com/products/virtualblue/3990.htm For a home mainframe that might work. For business use it's another question. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390 start-up problem
The first thing at this time is to understand what goes on when I boot up the P390, automatic execution of what files etc then I'LL know what files to backup for the next disaster Richard Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/10/2005 at 08:26 AM, Richard Verville [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The white square with ALT-F1 did help !. However I lost my desktop IPL icons probably because there was damage in desktop directory in the first place Do you have an archived copy of the desktop? One of the Alt-F1 options is to restore the desktop. If you don't have one, I suggest that you get into the habit of periodically creating one. I'd also urge periodic backups of the entire disk. BTW, if you have room on disk for a BM partition and another logical drive, I strongly recommend that you create a rescue system. I'd also urge backups. my problem is I don't know what the commands are to start the P390 portion and the operating systems You'll need to check the P390 documentation. I don't know what the P390 install looks like, but the firs place to look is \OS2\BOOK. If you don't find it there, look for *.INF anywhere on your disk and see if any of the names are suggestive. The command to read a book looks like view G:\OS2\BOOK\OS2UG.INF Did I mention backups? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390 start-up problem
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/14/2005 at 02:49 PM, Richard Verville [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The first thing at this time is to understand what goes on when I boot up the P390, automatic execution of what files etc then I'LL know what files to backup for the next disaster Well, CONFIG.SYS describes a lot of it, and you may have something in startup.cmd, but you also need to worry about giles change by applications and by WPS. Try to backup things piecemeal and you may get serious inconsistencies on the restore. It's safer to back up the whole disks, or single logical drives *if* you know that they are independent. Watch out for INI files on one drive that refer to data files on another drive. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390 start-up problem
The white square with ALT-F1 did help !. However I lost my desktop IPL icons probably because there was damage in desktop directory in the first place chkdsk ran on all the disk C, D and E. In the D drive there is a P390 directory. I suppose the next step is to kick up p390, there is an IPL.cmd which I typed and got a default devmap configuration file was not found, use ... this create one... there is a couple of devmap files in different directories (like OS390) . Before this problem, I had in the desktop a box which had 3 IPL Icons (OS390, VM, VSE/ESA ), if had click on one, he'd ipl that operating system and everytime I would restart the whole box it'd reipl the last operating system. If I'd want to IPL another , I'd shutdown the current operating system , go in the box and double click on the wanted operating system and it'd go up As it stands now I have a basic OS/2 up running, my problem is I don't know what the commands are to start the P390 portion and the operating systems Richard Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/09/2005 at 01:18 PM, Richard Verville [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi have a P390 runnning OS2(base) OS/390. We had a power failure , on restart I got a message concerning DESKTOP line not being in config.sys. It's best to quote messages verbatim instead of trying to interpret them. There is a desktop directory with what appears all my icons. Don't mess with it. So anyways I decided to rename config.sys to another name and I had a config.wal file that I renamed as config.sys . Why? Unless you know what each of those files are and how they are related, the rename is Russian Roulette. On restart now I get another error conerning an invalid line What message? What line? another message pops up sys0039 the F device is not ready My guess is that your config.wai was for another configuration. Is there a way to stop the execution of config.sys so I can go back to the original one and see if I can fix that one. I don't have a OS/2 diskette to boot up the PC Unless you have a partition with another copy of OS/2, you'll have to find an OS/2 system on removable media. Don't you have an install CD-ROM? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390 start-up problem
Richard Verville wrote: Hi have a P390 runnning OS2(base) OS/390. We had a power failure , on restart I got a message concerning DESKTOP line not being in config.sys. There is a desktop directory with what appears all my icons. So anyways I decided to rename config.sys to another name and I had a config.wal file that I renamed as config.sys . On restart now I get another error conerning an invalid line(press enter to continue) another message pops up sys0039 the F device is not ready and choice I do ends up in the PC hanging up. Is there a way to stop the execution of config.sys so I can go back to the original one and see if I can fix that one. I don't have a OS/2 diskette to boot up the PC Richard You will need the boot diskette(s) to solve this problem. -- .-. | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | '-' -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390 start-up problem
Rich, When you start OS/2, there's a white square in one corner of the screen that stays for a brief moment. When you see it, press Alt-F1 to display a menu with a couple of options, one of which allows you to bring up a command line before the GUI starts. -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard Verville wrote: Hi have a P390 runnning OS2(base) OS/390. We had a power failure , on restart I got a message concerning DESKTOP line not being in config.sys. There is a desktop directory with what appears all my icons. So anyways I decided to rename config.sys to another name and I had a config.wal file that I renamed as config.sys . On restart now I get another error conerning an invalid line(press enter to continue) another message pops up sys0039 the F device is not ready and choice I do ends up in the PC hanging up. Is there a way to stop the execution of config.sys so I can go back to the original one and see if I can fix that one. I don't have a OS/2 diskette to boot up the PC Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390 start-up problem
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/09/2005 at 10:41 AM, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You will need the boot diskette(s) to solve this problem. Not if he has an alternate rescue system. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: P390 start-up problem
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/09/2005 at 04:10 PM, Gilbert Saint-Flour [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: When you start OS/2, there's a white square in one corner of the screen that stays for a brief moment. When you see it, press Alt-F1 to display a menu with a couple of options, one of which allows you to bring up a command line before the GUI starts. That won't help if the system dies before it tries to start PM. If he doesn't have BM set up to load an alternate OS/2 then he needs to get a boot CD or a set of boot floppies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
