Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:48:18 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: On 6/9/2010 5:17 AM, Paul Edwards wrote: Don't look at me. IBM are the ones who created ftp with the RDW option, and I'm not the only user of that. You missed one crucial step - you zip the AWS file, and then ftp that. No, you missed the fact that IBM created a you-beaut ftp with RDW option, specifically for transporting binary VB files, which happens to be the natural form of the data itself (ie before any packaging like zip or XMIT etc is done). No worry about record format or boundaries, The worry has been transferred into a fairly custom tape-packaging facility. Which, surprise surprise, IBM also doesn't provide a standard utility for on the MVS side. But, at least IBM, via their ftp with RDW option, provides something for one leg of the journey. Hopefully now that they've gone that far, they'll realise there's another leg that isn't currently covered, hence the minimalist custom routine requirement (available from two different people, at least, and very simple to write regardless). You don't need to learn about the AWS tape format in order to write it. and a universal unzip is available on just about every PC, Mac, and other workstation these days. That much isn't a problem. The only source code that is actually mine, is this one: Sorry - if you distribute it, you own it G My problem is that I have online displays to examine files, with scrolling, updating, etc. that are geared to 80 bytes lines; to support VB I'd need a complete rewrite, plus horizontal scrolling (perhaps I'll steal Browse from ETPS?). Just use COPYFILE to copy from VB into FB80 before displaying. It will silently truncate any long lines. While you may consider 3350s dinosaurs or only fit for them, that perfectly describes the Hercules/MVS crowd. Very few of them are running without 3390 support. There are more people who will struggle to find a 3350 to restore to. And PDPCLIB is only one out of eight (or whatever), so the next one will be one-eighth in 3390 size g Pardon? BTW, I downloaded Jay's SYSCPK distribution, again with a few pains. His also lacks decent documentation, but at least some is on his site. Have you considered, at a minimum, adding a single PDS with the appropriate man members for each program? With products like SED etc, I only patched them to work on MVS, so am mainly focussed on producing executables. The original archive is available, and contains man pages in whatever format the (e.g.) Unix people decided to put them in, along with examples, known bugs, change logs or whatever. Often these people have made the documentation available on the web too. And there are mailing lists to ask questions about the product, and bug submission sites, and a bug report database. So it wasn't really my intention to get involved in any of that. I do provide documentation just pointing back to the archive that was used, and from there, you can decide what to do. I've never even read it myself. I either learnt from examples from Unix shell scripts, or type in sed without parameters to see the usage (ie EXEC PGM=SED,PARM='') or occasionally I do a search of the internet, usually looking for questions from humans, ie how do I make sed look for a real period instead of treating it as a character substitution. Having said that, if you want to wade through the existing documentation and point to something specific you want to appear in a specific dataset of specific RECFM on MVS, I can add that in. E.g. do you want the sed\doc\sed.1 added to SED.JCL(SED)? Looks like it will fit without truncation. It probably won't look very nice without being filtered through a man program though. Is there one of those on MVS or you just want to read the raw file? I also need to look at BWBASIC - it's not using PDPCLIB, and I Where on earth did you get the idea that it wasn't using PDPCLIB from? There is one unusual thing about BWBASIC though. The author was happy to incorporate all the MVS changes into the official distribution, and made me a developer on the sourceforge project. need to see how usable their MVS interface is (same problems with PDS and DCB support). Why am I not surprised you have the same problems? :-) Unless ... You mean you're using an old version of BWBASIC that doesn't have the latest PDPCLIB changes? The restore of SEASIK didn't give you a new version? I didn't package the new version properly? Have you looked at AFOX00? I noticed you posted the IFOX source - does that version match our system? I thought it did when I posted it, but now that I'm doing disassemblies, I have found that it doesn't. However, it's very close, and as of today I have just got IFOX41 IFOX42 verified, and built with ASMANY and tested and working. A bit of drama getting it tested though. I noticed that sys2.linklib was further up in the linklist than sys1.linklib so decided to target sys2.linklib instead of
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
What is SEASIK? I don't think anyone ever said what it is, and if it is 1.0, it must be a new product. Please enlighten me. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer IBM Global Services Division Dubuque, Iowa 414-477-7259 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
Eric: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Paul Edwards mutazi...@gmail.com wrote: I have just released SEASIK 1.0, which is (effectively) a DFDSS dump of a whole lot of C products, namely: GCC 3.2.3 MVS 8.0 PDPCLIB 3.00 BISON 1.35 MVS 4.0 BREXX 2.1.8 MVS 1.0 BWBASIC 2.50 MVS 1.0 DIFFUTIL 2.8.1 MVS 4.0 FLEX 2.5.4a MVS 4.0 M4 1.4 MVS 4.0 PATCH 2.5.4 MVS 4.0 SED 3.02 MVS 4.0 MINIZIP 0.15 MVS 4.0 These products are: GCCMVS - a C compiler PDPCLIB - a C runtime library BISON - a parser BREXX - a REXX interpreter BWBASIC - a Basic interpreter DIFFUTIL - programs such as diff3 to do a three-way diff FLEX - a parser M4 - a text-processing utility PATCH - used to apply patches to source code (from diff) SED - substitutes text MINIZIP - a zip-like utility GCCMVS is also available as a standalone XMIT. Also there is a CMS version. All available from here: http://gccmvs.sourceforge.net PDPCLIB is also available standalone from here: http://pdos.sourceforge.net Note that while z/OS is the primary target, most of the executables will work fine on any other flavor of MVS (from MVS 3.8j up). Special thanks to Gerhard Postpischil for the revamp of mvssupa.asm which is at the heart of every C program compiled in this manner and which means you are no longer forced to provide DCB information on your output files (while still having complete flexibility to do so). Also GETLINE/PUTLINE are used in a TSO environment, so all programs automatically become command processors. Please report any problems to: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-os380/ BFN. Paul. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
In listserv%201006051041517196.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 06/05/2010 at 10:41 AM, Paul Edwards mutazi...@gmail.com said: Are you talking about the parameter processing? Yes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
In listserv%201006090417023025.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 06/09/2010 at 04:17 AM, Paul Edwards mutazi...@gmail.com said: I was programming in MVS while you were still knee-high to a grasshopper. ITYM knee high to a 704. Gerhard was programming well before there was an MVS, or even a S/360. Don't try to play the seniority card in IBM-MAIN; there's always someone older lurking in the wings. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:11:20 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: There's good news and bad news g I've been trying to restore SEASIK since Friday, with no luck. 1) There is a design error in DSSREST. When I added the RDW code, I wrote the code so it only works when the block size is equal to the sum of the lengths of all RDWs (+4 if there is a BDW). When I use IND$FILE to restore, I get block boundaries unrelated to the RDW sizes. I started to fix this, but the code got more and more complicated, and failed after processing three thousand blocks. I decided to redo Scott's code to eliminate one intermediate buffer, and just use the input buffer directly. That fails on the second block, and I ran out of time. But once it works it will be faster than the old version. I also fixed some spelling errors (leng for length). Ok. I use the tape processing facility and block at RDW boundaries naturally. 2) If you weren't such a sadist, I could have had this restored on Friday. a) Use DSSDUMP to create an AWS or HET tape. b) zip it. c) ftp or upload to wherever. d) user runs DSSREST against the tape file and gets all the files. None of this IDCAMS and special utility crap. For a real mainframe, there is an AWS conversion utility to create a real tape between steps c) and d). Don't look at me. IBM are the ones who created ftp with the RDW option, and I'm not the only user of that. And the special utility is only required because IBM (again) neglected to provide a facility to reverse that. They will presumably fix that oversight one day. I've seen others complaining about that, and the need for a utility. This process has nothing to do with tapes, so there's no need to force a tape format file into the mix, any more than forcing in a CKD VTOC. I uploaded a new version of DSSREST as part of the DSSDMP tape. It's still in 3350 format (I'll change it to 3390 when you change .SOURCE files to FB/80 g). It restored the SEASIK files without a hitch, using slightly less memory and time. You've got to stop walking into these things. :-) The only source code that is actually mine, is this one: PDPCLIB.SOURCE SEASIK 10.160 PO FB 80 6160 1414 And you'll notice that not only is it FB80 as requested, it's even blocked at the universal block size. The reason it is this way is because I was programming in MVS while you were still knee-high to a grasshopper. Well, maybe that's an exaggeration. You must be looking at (my bundling of) source code from Unix type people, where they don't seem to have gotten the message about restricting the length of lines to 80 so that it fits onto a card. So anyway, where's my 3390 dump? I had to especially go and mount a 3350 disk just to load your new version (which works). Do you know how much those things weigh? My site has been all-3390 for WEEKS now (at least, pubicly-mounted). Just like all z/OS shops. Only dinosaurs still use 3350s. And I'm no dinosaur, even if I do still block at 6233 or less so that I can fit data onto even a 2314 if necessary. BFN. Paul. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
dinosaurs still use 3350s. And I'm no dinosaur, even if I do still block at 6233 or less so that I can fit data onto even a 2314 if necessary. I'm a dinosaur and I'm pretty sure I remember 7294 bytes fitting on a 2314. Where did 6233 come from? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:17:02 -0500 From: mutazi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: SEASIK 1.0 released To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:11:20 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: There's good news and bad news g I've been trying to restore SEASIK since Friday, with no luck. 1) There is a design error in DSSREST. When I added the RDW code, I wrote the code so it only works when the block size is equal to the sum of the lengths of all RDWs (+4 if there is a BDW). When I use IND$FILE to restore, I get block boundaries unrelated to the RDW sizes. I started to fix this, but the code got more and more complicated, and failed after processing three thousand blocks. I decided to redo Scott's code to eliminate one intermediate buffer, and just use the input buffer directly. That fails on the second block, and I ran out of time. But once it works it will be faster than the old version. I also fixed some spelling errors (leng for length). Ok. I use the tape processing facility and block at RDW boundaries naturally. 2) If you weren't such a sadist, I could have had this restored on Friday. a) Use DSSDUMP to create an AWS or HET tape. b) zip it. c) ftp or upload to wherever. d) user runs DSSREST against the tape file and gets all the files. None of this IDCAMS and special utility crap. For a real mainframe, there is an AWS conversion utility to create a real tape between steps c) and d). Don't look at me. IBM are the ones who created ftp with the RDW option, and I'm not the only user of that. And the special utility is only required because IBM (again) neglected to provide a facility to reverse that. They will presumably fix that oversight one day. I've seen others complaining about that, and the need for a utility. This process has nothing to do with tapes, so there's no need to force a tape format file into the mix, any more than forcing in a CKD VTOC. I uploaded a new version of DSSREST as part of the DSSDMP tape. It's still in 3350 format (I'll change it to 3390 when you change .SOURCE files to FB/80 g). It restored the SEASIK files without a hitch, using slightly less memory and time. You've got to stop walking into these things. :-) The only source code that is actually mine, is this one: PDPCLIB.SOURCE SEASIK 10.160 PO FB 80 6160 1 41 4 And you'll notice that not only is it FB80 as requested, it's even blocked at the universal block size. The reason it is this way is because I was programming in MVS while you were still knee-high to a grasshopper. Well, maybe that's an exaggeration. You must be looking at (my bundling of) source code from Unix type people, where they don't seem to have gotten the message about restricting the length of lines to 80 so that it fits onto a card. So anyway, where's my 3390 dump? I had to especially go and mount a 3350 disk just to load your new version (which works). Do you know how much those things weigh? My site has been all-3390 for WEEKS now (at least, pubicly-mounted). Just like all z/OS shops. Only dinosaurs still use 3350s. And I'm no dinosaur, even if I do still block at 6233 or less so that I can fit data onto even a 2314 if necessary. BFN. Paul. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
OK. I've had my coffee now and I understand the relevance of 6233! Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:47:10 -0400 From: jayare...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: SEASIK 1.0 released To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu dinosaurs still use 3350s. And I'm no dinosaur, even if I do still block at 6233 or less so that I can fit data onto even a 2314 if necessary. I'm a dinosaur and I'm pretty sure I remember 7294 bytes fitting on a 2314. Where did 6233 come from? _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
On 6/9/2010 5:17 AM, Paul Edwards wrote: Don't look at me. IBM are the ones who created ftp with the RDW option, and I'm not the only user of that. You missed one crucial step - you zip the AWS file, and then ftp that. No worry about record format or boundaries, and a universal unzip is available on just about every PC, Mac, and other workstation these days. The only source code that is actually mine, is this one: Sorry - if you distribute it, you own it G My problem is that I have online displays to examine files, with scrolling, updating, etc. that are geared to 80 bytes lines; to support VB I'd need a complete rewrite, plus horizontal scrolling (perhaps I'll steal Browse from ETPS?). For VB and U I only have a plain display, no scrolling back, or a mixed hex/text display that's cumbersome. So anyway, where's my 3390 dump? I had to especially go and mount a 3350 disk just to load your new version (which works). Do you know how much those things weigh? My site has been all-3390 for WEEKS now (at least, pubicly-mounted). Just like all z/OS shops. Only dinosaurs still use 3350s. And I'm no dinosaur, even if I do still block at 6233 or less so that I can fit data onto even a 2314 if necessary. I've never had to pick up a 3350 medium - ours were permanently mounted (Memorex), with the advantage of three fixed head cylinders. I do have a 3336 I use as a (big) paper weight. While you may consider 3350s dinosaurs or only fit for them, that perfectly describes the Hercules/MVS crowd. And PDPCLIB is only one out of eight (or whatever), so the next one will be one-eighth in 3390 size g BTW, I downloaded Jay's SYSCPK distribution, again with a few pains. His also lacks decent documentation, but at least some is on his site. Have you considered, at a minimum, adding a single PDS with the appropriate man members for each program? I also need to look at BWBASIC - it's not using PDPCLIB, and I need to see how usable their MVS interface is (same problems with PDS and DCB support). Have you looked at AFOX00? I noticed you posted the IFOX source - does that version match our system? If it does, I'll integrate the AFOX changes (when an optional DD is present, it includes on SYSPRINT a list of libraries and macro names, making it easier to check that all needed macros are present before shipping something). Then I'll start on DISASM again as soon as I'm sick of not working on it g Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
On 6/9/2010 9:47 AM, J R wrote: I'm a dinosaur and I'm pretty sure I remember 7294 bytes fitting on a 2314. Where did 6233 come from? It's (sub)optimal for every disk from 2314 to 3390/9345 on g Also it's the (approximate) size IBM used for its own distributions, way back when. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
I uploaded a new version of DSSREST as part of the DSSDMP tape. It's still in 3350 format (I'll change it to 3390 when you change .SOURCE files to FB/80 g). It restored the SEASIK files without a hitch, using slightly less memory and time. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
There's good news and bad news g I've been trying to restore SEASIK since Friday, with no luck. 1) There is a design error in DSSREST. When I added the RDW code, I wrote the code so it only works when the block size is equal to the sum of the lengths of all RDWs (+4 if there is a BDW). When I use IND$FILE to restore, I get block boundaries unrelated to the RDW sizes. I started to fix this, but the code got more and more complicated, and failed after processing three thousand blocks. I decided to redo Scott's code to eliminate one intermediate buffer, and just use the input buffer directly. That fails on the second block, and I ran out of time. But once it works it will be faster than the old version. I also fixed some spelling errors (leng for length). 2) If you weren't such a sadist, I could have had this restored on Friday. a) Use DSSDUMP to create an AWS or HET tape. b) zip it. c) ftp or upload to wherever. d) user runs DSSREST against the tape file and gets all the files. None of this IDCAMS and special utility crap. For a real mainframe, there is an AWS conversion utility to create a real tape between steps c) and d). 3) I have a debug routine that I recently changed to make it immune to some requests in error (e.g., dump a variable in invalid memory). Unfortunately, it's only creating output erratically, so I have something else to work on. But I hope to have it and DSSREST fixed by the end of the week (meetings the next four days, and shopping for vacation). Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
On Mon, 31 May 2010 18:07:08 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In listserv%201005241706095284.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/24/2010 at 05:06 PM, Paul Edwards mutazi...@gmail.com said: Also GETLINE/PUTLINE are used in a TSO environment, so all programs automatically become command processors. I takes more than that to make them command processors. Are you talking about the parameter processing? They do that too. If that's still not enough to be a command procesor, then I'm probably using the wrong word. What's the word to describe a program that can be invoked from the TSO ready prompt, with parameters, and can have its output trapped in a CLIST with SYSOUTTRAP, so that from a user's perspective, it does exactly what they want? BFN. Paul. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
In listserv%201005241706095284.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/24/2010 at 05:06 PM, Paul Edwards mutazi...@gmail.com said: Also GETLINE/PUTLINE are used in a TSO environment, so all programs automatically become command processors. I takes more than that to make them command processors. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
In listserv%201005251113296145.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/25/2010 at 11:13 AM, Paul Edwards mutazi...@gmail.com said: No Charles, Gerhard is MVS through and through. Nonsense; he's a veteran of the one true mainstream[1] IBM[2] computer, the 7094. [1] If you count limited run then it's the 7030. ]2] I once had lust in my heart for a CDC 3600. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
Wow, what a lot of misses. *nix humor. This is after all an environment with a utility called grep and where processes fork in order to make children. No Charles, Gerhard is MVS through and through. Nothing to do with Unix. You're right about the SEA = C though. Well, it's certainly memorable. Not sure I understand where it comes from -- it looks like an acronym, but for what? No Zman, not an acronym. It had to fit into a 6-character volser though, being MVS. On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:25:46 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: On 5/24/2010 8:38 PM, zMan wrote: Well, it's certainly memorable. Not sure I understand where it comes from -- it looks like an acronym, but for what? Paul asked me to suggest something, No, it was unsolicited: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-os380/message/1391 If I were seriously planning on writing lots of c programs, I would create a new pack (e.g, SEASIK g), allocate a user catalog on it, put the GCC and PDPCLIB stuff on there, add some user source libraries, and keep it separate and easy to back up. In fact, I would have to say that I explicitly turned down your suggestion: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-os380/message/1611 The actual packaging of the SEASIK disk can be decided later. It'll probably just be a normal Hercules image to start with, but may in the future be DFDSS. Either way, I think 3390s should be the way ahead. The universal blocksize remains so that they can be copied off if required. I hope you'll think long and hard about the disk name - I meant SEASIK to be an obvious joke, reflecting my opinion on unreadable languages g I know it was a joke, but I honestly don't think I could come up with something better than that. And it's cool having both sides of the story out there. So, you let me put C on MVS, and I'll agree to advertise the fact that this is a sick thing to do, even if I don't personally agree. :-) So long as the things I want to achieve are done, I don't mind if I have to wear a Daffy Duck costume while doing them. :-) BFN. Paul. P.S. And yes, I really am so sad that I spent more than an hour trying to find the message when both gmane and Yahoo search failed to pick up the oldest reference, despite the fact that that means I'm going to sleep at 2am, when I know I have a meeting at 7am. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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SEASIK? Seriously?! On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Paul Edwards mutazi...@gmail.com wrote: I have just released SEASIK 1.0, which is (effectively) a DFDSS dump of a whole lot of C products, namely: -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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snip- I have just released SEASIK 1.0, which is (effectively) a DFDSS dump of a whole lot of C products, namely: -unsnip Is it offered as Mal de mer in France or French-speaking regions? (LOL) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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*nix humor. This is after all an environment with a utility called grep and where processes fork in order to make children. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SEASIK 1.0 released SEASIK? Seriously?! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Well, it's certainly memorable. Not sure I understand where it comes from -- it looks like an acronym, but for what? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The SEA part presumably is a pun on the C language. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 5:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SEASIK 1.0 released Well, it's certainly memorable. Not sure I understand where it comes from -- it looks like an acronym, but for what? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEASIK 1.0 released
On 5/24/2010 8:38 PM, zMan wrote: Well, it's certainly memorable. Not sure I understand where it comes from -- it looks like an acronym, but for what? Paul asked me to suggest something, and I expressed my feelings about C and related languages (except for a short stint as a ForTran programmer in the early sixties, I've been using predominantly assembler). Paul showed that he could take a joke and so it stayed as SEASIK. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
