Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
Mac's rule I have a iMac 25" and a macbook and just think they are such a great client platform. Industrial strength and actually usable. Sort of like z/OS :-) (Unfortunately at work I have to lug around a laptop with the other OS) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Z Z Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Suggestions for New Laptop. Thanks for all suggestions. Right now I am leaning 95% toward an 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMAC. Thanks again. ~~Carol _ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
Thanks for all suggestions. Right now I am leaning 95% toward an 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMAC. Thanks again. ~~Carol _ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
Firefox has an add-in called "IE Tab" which will open a URL with IE as the rendering engine. It works with Windows Update and other IE-oriented pages flawlessly. Cheers, Steve Samson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23 Jul 2007 17:05:35 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould) wrote: There is an option in SAFARI to imitate IE if you are desperate enough. I have (I am using SAFARI) run across pages that were coded *ONLY* to work in IE. Usually I write the name of the company down and then boycott their products. Sometimes if I am extremely inconvenienced I will write to WEB author. Unfortunetly those sites don't exist all that much. Sometimes they don't need it to *work* like IE, only that it is identified as IE.Opera has long defaulted to lie that it is IE. The interesting thing about this is that Web Masters use that statistic to say that they don't need to support other browsers. One such Web Master is the author of this page: http://www.csgnetwork.com/golfclubdistancecalce.html I haven't tried it yet in Safari, but it won't work with Firefox on Windows. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
On 23 Jul 2007 17:05:35 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould) wrote: >There is an option in SAFARI to imitate IE if you are desperate >enough. I have (I am using SAFARI) run across pages that were coded >*ONLY* to work in IE. Usually I write the name of the company down >and then boycott their products. Sometimes if I am extremely >inconvenienced I will write to WEB author. Unfortunetly those sites >don't exist all that much. Sometimes they don't need it to *work* like IE, only that it is identified as IE.Opera has long defaulted to lie that it is IE. The interesting thing about this is that Web Masters use that statistic to say that they don't need to support other browsers. One such Web Master is the author of this page: http://www.csgnetwork.com/golfclubdistancecalce.html I haven't tried it yet in Safari, but it won't work with Firefox on Windows. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
Re: Refurbished Macs, most of them are Intel-based now. Oddly enough the PowerPC-based Macs tend to be higher priced, even refurbished. Re: NeoOffice, it seems to work quite well. Don't forget to apply the latest patch. Microsoft has an "Office Trial" for Mac which is a free download. I believe it can be used as a viewer for once-in-a-blue-moon Microsoft format file NeoOffice cannot open, even if you don't buy Office, although check the license T&Cs on that. (Office Trial comes with Mac OS X, so that's why I think that.) - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
On Jul 23, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Howard Brazee wrote: On 23 Jul 2007 08:20:21 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Burch) wrote: Ah, you are confusing a cross platform application with internet browser support. Cross platform should not imply cross browser. The app I do cross platform development with only runs on Windows and OS X, and WHEN it requires browser support, which is not most of the time, it only supports IE and Safari, respectively. I have come across way too many web pages that haven't been tested with enough browsers. I avoid all I can. There is an option in SAFARI to imitate IE if you are desperate enough. I have (I am using SAFARI) run across pages that were coded *ONLY* to work in IE. Usually I write the name of the company down and then boycott their products. Sometimes if I am extremely inconvenienced I will write to WEB author. Unfortunetly those sites don't exist all that much. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Thanks for the Suggestions for New Laptop.
Thanks everyone for all of your wonderful advice. ~~Carol From: "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Suggestions for New Laptop. Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:52:31 -0500 > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Simpson > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:49 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Suggestions for New Laptop. > Aside from the Mac version of MS Office, there are Open Office and > NeoOffice for the Mac, at no cost, which can allegedly handle > all those > documents. I haven't worked with them enough to know how well > they work. > -- > Matt Simpson -- z/OS Support I use OpenOffice 2.0 on Linux/Intel. For what I do - minor documents, spreadsheets, some presentations, it is very functional. Now, if you're a "heavy duty" user of Word or Excel, you will likely get "hung up" on the differences. But I'd bet you'd find ways to do what you want. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Simpson > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:49 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Suggestions for New Laptop. > Aside from the Mac version of MS Office, there are Open Office and > NeoOffice for the Mac, at no cost, which can allegedly handle > all those > documents. I haven't worked with them enough to know how well > they work. > -- > Matt Simpson -- z/OS Support I use OpenOffice 2.0 on Linux/Intel. For what I do - minor documents, spreadsheets, some presentations, it is very functional. Now, if you're a "heavy duty" user of Word or Excel, you will likely get "hung up" on the differences. But I'd bet you'd find ways to do what you want. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Burch) wrote: > My biggest concern in going to the Mac was compatibility with "the rest of > the world". Not. > > Now, do people still send me Word docs and Powerpoint presentations? Sure. > And I forward them to my PC. No biggy. It's not really necessary to forward them to your PC. You can run Word and Powerpoint on a Mac. If you already have a PC with Word and Powerpoint installed, it might be easier/cheaper to continue using it for those documents instead of buying the Mac Office and installing it. But for those considering making the switch, don't hesitate because you think you might need to keep a Windows machine around for some purposes. You don't have to if you don't want to. Aside from the Mac version of MS Office, there are Open Office and NeoOffice for the Mac, at no cost, which can allegedly handle all those documents. I haven't worked with them enough to know how well they work. -- Matt Simpson -- z/OS Support 219 McVey Hall -- (859) 257-2900 x300 University Of Kentucky, Lexington, KY 40506 http://jms.cc.uky.edu/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
Howard Brazee wrote: On 23 Jul 2007 08:20:21 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Burch) wrote: Ah, you are confusing a cross platform application with internet browser support. Cross platform should not imply cross browser. The app I do cross platform development with only runs on Windows and OS X, and WHEN it requires browser support, which is not most of the time, it only supports IE and Safari, respectively. I have come across way too many web pages that haven't been tested with enough browsers. I avoid all I can. http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/ Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
On 23 Jul 2007 08:20:21 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Burch) wrote: >Ah, you are confusing a cross platform application with internet browser >support. Cross platform should not imply cross browser. The app I do cross >platform development with only runs on Windows and OS X, and WHEN it >requires browser support, which is not most of the time, it only supports IE >and Safari, respectively. I have come across way too many web pages that haven't been tested with enough browsers. I avoid all I can. >>>Mail on the Mac is "ok". Outlook is more robust. For personal use, Mail >on >>>the Mac is fine. > >>Robust, how? >Calendar, Notes, text formatting ease of use, integration with other >applications, attachments getting to their destination - little things like >that. Interesting definition of "robust". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
On 23 Jul 2007 02:18:37 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Sipples) wrote: >2. Apple offers refurbished Macintoshes at their online store. The >warranty is the same, and I think they're a better value. You have to >check back from time to time since stock varies. But if you are wanting to run Parallels, make sure you get an Intel Mac. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
Howard wrote: >>The internet browser that comes with a Mac is called Safari. It works >>pretty good. I could download Firefox, but find Safari sufficient. (Plus, >>I do cross platform development that requires Safari on the Mac). >I don't understand - if you do cross platform development, wouldn't >you want to test on Firefox, Opera, and *gasp*, IE? Ah, you are confusing a cross platform application with internet browser support. Cross platform should not imply cross browser. The app I do cross platform development with only runs on Windows and OS X, and WHEN it requires browser support, which is not most of the time, it only supports IE and Safari, respectively. >>Mail on the Mac is "ok". Outlook is more robust. For personal use, Mail on >>the Mac is fine. >Robust, how? Calendar, Notes, text formatting ease of use, integration with other applications, attachments getting to their destination - little things like that. >Outlook is a pain for personal use because it has a business style >quoting instead of the standard for personal use. Quoting style is customizable in Outlook. For instance, I have it turned off, and I had to add all the greater than signs manually. I find Outlook just fine for personal use. Todd No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.9 - Release Date: 7/18/2007 12:00 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Suggestions for New Laptop. >I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I'm still trying to figure out how this is relevant to this forum! It isn't. Asking people of a certain group that have certain experience with tools that that particular group uses is flatly off topic and shouldn't be allowed. Reminds me of how many to change a light bulb, or is that lightbulb? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 22 Jul 2007 07:10:35 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Burch) wrote: >My biggest concern in going to the Mac was compatibility with "the rest of >the world". Not. > >Now, do people still send me Word docs and Powerpoint presentations? Sure. >And I forward them to my PC. No biggy. Would I rather have a PDF? Sure. The irritant for me is Rich Text Format e-mails. >After being on the PC for so long, the Mac does take some getting used to, >of course. The keyboard shortcuts are a bit different, and that frustrated >me at first. But, they are there. Some don't make sense, like having to >hit 3 keys instead of 2 for common tasks. Some are better. One thing that Windows does better is that Windows users never need to use a mouse. >The internet browser that comes with a Mac is called Safari. It works >pretty good. I could download Firefox, but find Safari sufficient. (Plus, >I do cross platform development that requires Safari on the Mac). I don't understand - if you do cross platform development, wouldn't you want to test on Firefox, Opera, and *gasp*, IE? >Mail on the Mac is "ok". Outlook is more robust. For personal use, Mail on >the Mac is fine. Robust, how? Outlook is a pain for personal use because it has a business style quoting instead of the standard for personal use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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>I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I'm still trying to figure out how this is relevant to this forum! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Z Z Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Suggestions for New Laptop. Hello All. I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, Toshiba and recommendations from this group. Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. One thing that has turned me off is having no choice between Vista & XP Pro. AVOID VIA Tech Video and related chips if you EVER want to run Linux. I've got the problem and getting S3 Chrome drivers is like pulling teeth (first you have to get the materials to make the pliers, then do the forging yourself...). Similar issues for their South and North gate (or beach) audio and network (including WiFI). And no, I'm not making it up, I have what was supposed to be a Linux based laptop... Wanna guess what chipset it has? Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
Re: The Macintoshes other people mentioned, a few suggestions: 1. As a general rule, don't bother buying hard disk and memory upgrades from Apple. Buy Apple's smallest RAM and hard disk configurations, then buy those upgrades separately elsewhere. Usually the price works out better that way, although some comparison shopping is obviously worthwhile. You can also buy a USB hard drive case and put the original Apple-supplied hard disk in that case to use for backup and other purposes. Currently you can get a 250 GB 5400 RPM notebook hard disk for well under $200 on the open market, for example. 2. Apple offers refurbished Macintoshes at their online store. The warranty is the same, and I think they're a better value. You have to check back from time to time since stock varies. 3. The original Core Duo MacBooks run a bit hotter (though they're still perfectly safe). I would advise going with the Core 2 Duo processor instead. The Core 2 Duo MacBooks will expand up to 3 GB of RAM (4 GB maximum for the newest MacBook Pros) versus 2 GB for the original Core Duo models. RAM expansion is probably the first limiting factor in any notebook's useful design longevity. I wouldn't worry about processor speed at all. The differences are quite minor in the real world, and faster means hotter and shorter battery life, ceteris paribus. 4. VirtualBox for Mac OS X is one of several ways to run Windows and/or Linux on the Macintosh. That and Apple's Boot Camp are no extra charge. VirtualBox's features are more limited than Parallels Desktop and VMware, but it's adequate for many people. 5. You don't have to buy the AppleCare extended warranty until just before the standard one year warranty expires, and you don't have to buy it directly from Apple. Shop around. Some credit cards also offer extended warranties. The whole question of whether to get an extended warranty or not is an interesting one. 6. Apple's notebooks do not have a built-in modem. If you need one Apple sells a slick USB modem. Also, if you plan to use the Mac for presentations or with an external monitor, it's a good idea to buy the VGA-style cable adapter. 7. Apple.com's expedited shipping probably doesn't do any good, so don't bother. 8. There are various Web sites, like dealmac.com and lowendmac.com, which chronicle getting the best deals on Macintoshes. Re: Lenovo, the ThinkPads are still very nice indeed, though I tend to prefer the T and X models specifically. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
--- > Hello All. > > I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, > Toshiba and recommendations from this group. > Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. > > One thing that has turned me off is having no choice between Vista & > XP Pro. > > TIA And consider the Windows Vista (you pick the flavor) option carefully -- my understanding (as of two weeks ago) is that there is not going to be any Windows Vista support for the current CompuServe software, and customers are being instructed to "convert" to AOL, worldwide!! Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Jul 22, 2007, at 6:30 PM, Rich Smrcina wrote: I wiped all that Vista nonsense off my new T60 and installed Opensuse 10.2. Ed Gould wrote: Go with a Mac Pro. Mac's OSX OS is superior to win (anything) and you can also run XP. Ed - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Rich, I hope you got your money back for VISTA. Write the manufacture and ask for it. Also, A lot of applications that you might need won't run under Opensuse, corporate dictates WordProcessor choice etc.. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I wiped all that Vista nonsense off my new T60 and installed Opensuse 10.2. Ed Gould wrote: Go with a Mac Pro. Mac's OSX OS is superior to win (anything) and you can also run XP. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2008 - Chattanooga - April 18-22, 2008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Go with a Mac Pro. Mac's OSX OS is superior to win (anything) and you can also run XP. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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At 08:59 AM 7/22/2007 -0400, you wrote: Hello All. I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, Toshiba and recommendations from this group. Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. One thing that has turned me off is having no choice between Vista & XP Pro. TIA Carol The only laptops I've ever had have been IBM / Lenovo; T20, T30, and now a T60 (w / XP). All have been personal rather than corporate, and all have been very satisfactory. I've had an occasional problem, but in those two cases, the machine was picked up and returned in a couple days (all under warranty). I have no reason to buy any other brand. Michael Stack Product Developer NEON Enterprise Software, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Suggestions for New Laptop.
I always bought IBM ThinkPads until they sold out to Lenovo. After that I went with a Dell Latitude D810. Despite more than doubling its purchase price with upgrades, it's *never* performed up to expectation. And, I've *never* had any satisfaction from their Tech Support! (This may be a Dell Canada issue.) I will *never* buy another Dell! Almost all laptops now have everything you'd probably want: CD/DVD writer, bluetooth, wireless networking, etc. It's just a case of deciding on screensize, RAM, HDD size, processor speed, etc. My next one will likely be an HP DV9000 series. They're good for all "normal business work", plus, if you travel much, they're great for watching movies in the hotel, etc. From: Z Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Suggestions for New Laptop. Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:59:01 -0400 Hello All. I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, Toshiba and recommendations from this group. Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. One thing that has turned me off is having no choice between Vista & XP Pro. TIA Carol _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Recall: Suggestions for New Laptop.
Gary Green would like to recall the message, "Suggestions for New Laptop.". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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17" screen AND 200gb drive...? Now that's a machine! Next time I upgrade I will definitely look into the HP. Once I move on from my current employer, I will take a look at that DV9500t you mentioned. I too upgraded my latest Dell (two 100gb HD's, memory, wireless NIC) although I only had to replace one item under warranty. (knock on wood). About the only trouble I ever had with Dell was when I was in the process of ordering my desktop. I became so frustrated I wanted to reach through the phone, all the way to India, and strangle the person on the other end of the line. About the only real problems I ever had was with the HD's. I keep all of my machines on 24x7 and laptop HD's are not designed for that kind of use. So, every two years I need to replace one of the drives. While the original 8gb IBM SCSI drive that was in my old Dell A610, purchased in 94, is still going strong! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Siegel Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Suggestions for New Laptop. Hi Garry, How's everything? I also liked Dell before I bought my HP, yes Dell has the at home service they send a tech to fix what's broken and something always seems to break. I still have my first Dell laptop and it still works but just about every component was changed at some point during the 4 year warrantee. So for the same money you can get a lot more laptop at HP 200+gig hard drive, 17" high gloss screen, Core 2 Duo processor, I bought the dv8000 in 2006 and love it, never any problems knock wood, the new dv9500t looks awesome, I bet you could run z/OS 1.8 on it lol. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hi Garry, How’s everything? I also liked Dell before I bought my HP, yes Dell has the at home service they send a tech to fix what’s broken and something always seems to break. I still have my first Dell laptop and it still works but just about every component was changed at some point during the 4 year warrantee. So for the same money you can get a lot more laptop at HP 200+gig hard drive, 17” high gloss screen, Core 2 Duo processor, I bought the dv8000 in 2006 and love it, never any problems knock wood, the new dv9500t looks awesome, I bet you could run z/OS 1.8 on it lol. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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For all of my non-mainframe clients I suggest they, or I on their behalf, monitor Dell's Outlet where Dell sells refurbished/returned machines. The machines sell for up to 35% less than a "brand new" machine but with ALL of the warranties, etc... Last week I found a great deal on a laptop for a client. It cost the client 750 and the original price was between 910-940. It was delivered with XP, and in this case, Media Center 2005. Great deal! You need to check the site every few hours and be ready to make an immediate decision! If you find something you like, you get 15 minutes to decide or it goes back into the pool. I, personally, have purchased only 1 brand new machine from Dell. Every other machine (laptop, server, desktop...) I purchased through their Outlet. The laptop I use day-to-day cost me 27xx and the original price was around 3500. JMTC. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Z Z Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Suggestions for New Laptop. Thanks for responding Steve. 17'' screen. 0-2% gaming if any. Speed, memory, & storage are most important. I would like to have multiple applications running w/out notebook grinding to halt or slowing down. Capability to access internet from anywhere in the home, including my deck. I use lots of software applications, Access, Excel, Word, etc. Capability to read/write DVDs & CDs. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Great question! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Suggestions for New Laptop. >I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. Which version of OS/390 or z/OS are you planning on running on it? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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--- > Hello All. > > I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, > Toshiba and recommendations from this group. > Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. > > One thing that has turned me off is having no choice between Vista & > XP Pro. > > TIA As a frugal small-business employee, I get a new laptop roughly once every 3 years, typically next to top-of-the-line with all the fixin's. I have owned Toshiba Satellite Pros (2) and Tecras (2) for the last 12 years; I have no desktop machine and my laptop runs nearly 24x7, though I've started using Stand-By more frequently to reduce machine wear. After some frustration with Toshiba customer service and a few too many hard-drive and power supply depot-repair experiences, I made the switch to IBM ThinkPad two year ago, and I'll never go back to Toshiba, unless I see some change with the Lenovo purchase and the company's attitude to customer service -- as of today, I'm quite happy with the decision and I'm looking forward to my next machine in 2008. I do recommend purchasing the 3-year warranty, if not included in the price, and you can typically call the company to purchase the additional 2-year coverage, after purchase. It's an individual decision though as to whether or not one must touch a particular brand/model machine (keyboard layout / form-factor) before purchasing, so the last consideration I would contribute is whether you buy online (my preference is CDW -- they have great ready-to-ship machines with no-fluff, installed OEM business software packages, and they will most likely match other mail-order prices) or at your local electronics store (we have no such big-box gadget here in Key West, Florida, and I don't do RadioShack, not even for batteries anymore). Regards, Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. P. S. Purchase (or upgrade) as much memory as you can afford, and if possible purchase the largest single-chip size (for example, one 1GB chip instead of two 512MB chips), in order to consider an upgrade say at holiday time! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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--- Hello All. I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, Toshiba and recommendations from this group. Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. One thing that has turned me off is having no choice between Vista & XP Pro. TIA I've been very satisfied with my 7-year old Toshiba. No Wi-Fi but it runs all my M$ Office pgms without any problems. Ran slow when I sarted up a TN3270 Client at the same time, but a memory upgrade took care of that. Battery seems to last longer than friends' Sony's and IBM Thinkpads. Heard some bad things about Dell support lately, but I've never needed to call Toshiba support. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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My experiences with a Mac:
First, I have two of them.
Dec. 2006 I bought a MacPro 3gh, 2gb ram, 500gb hard drive. 23" Apple
Cinema Display. One awesome machine.Not cheap: $5K+.
June 2007 I bought a Macbook "white" for the house with Airport Express (a
wireless hub). Again, it's awesome. My son loves it, and he has pretty
much claimed it. I discourage him from going to MySpace, Facebook or any
other site a teenager might happen across, with the PC, as I've already
spent $300+ this year on virus, malware, and browser helper object removal.
However, on the Mac - it's not an issue. (BTW, I ended up getting a 30GB
iPod Video for $50 in the deal after the $199 rebate "educator" offer).
On the Macbook, I installed Bootcamp and then Win XP Pro + Office
Professional, so it's my "grab it and go, cross platform development
machine", like when I go to the in-laws to visit - I find a corner and enjoy
myself thoroughly. (Ticks my wife off sometimes though)
My wife works for the local school district, and last year got an offer to
buy Win XP Pro for something ridiculous like $12. I hopped on that, not
knowing what for, and also bought Office Pro, Frontpage and Visio. I think
the total bill was $28. For the Bootcamp install - it was perfect. When
you boot Windows - it's pretty much Windows! Since the Mac keyboard is
a bit different, there are a few shortcut keys that are changed. That's
about it though in the differences department.
I thought I would want to use Microsoft Office for the Mac when I bought the
MacPro. (It comes with a 30 day trial.) I opened it once to see what it
looked like - and I've never gone into it again.
My biggest concern in going to the Mac was compatibility with "the rest of
the world". Not.
Now, do people still send me Word docs and Powerpoint presentations? Sure.
And I forward them to my PC. No biggy. Would I rather have a PDF? Sure.
After being on the PC for so long, the Mac does take some getting used to,
of course. The keyboard shortcuts are a bit different, and that frustrated
me at first. But, they are there. Some don't make sense, like having to
hit 3 keys instead of 2 for common tasks. Some are better.
The internet browser that comes with a Mac is called Safari. It works
pretty good. I could download Firefox, but find Safari sufficient. (Plus,
I do cross platform development that requires Safari on the Mac).
Mail on the Mac is "ok". Outlook is more robust. For personal use, Mail on
the Mac is fine.
I run OS X (pronounced OS Ten), also called Tiger. Leopard, the next
operating system, is coming out soon. If you get a Tiger machine, and want
to upgrade to Leopard later, I think it will cost $129 (US) or round abouts.
If you have any experience with Unix, you'll like the Mac. If you don't
like I didn't, it's a great way to learn line commands, the BASH or tsch
(sp?) shells and such.
On Windows, you have Windows Explorer. On a Mac, it's called Finder. I
like them both, but I like Finder better.
Mac comes with a lot of the opensource software already installed - Apache
Web server, Ruby, Perl, Python (ruby, perl & python are scripting
languages).
Also, with a Mac - you get 2 CDs. One is the operating system, and the
second contains an Apple product called XCode. XCode is an IDE ("the" IDE)
for developing software on a Mac. It comes with pretty much EVERYTHING you
need for developing on the Mac - a C/C++ compiler, Java SDK, Carbon & Cocoa
(two Apple frameworks for developing GUI apps), Objective C (the language of
choice for developing with Cocoa), and probably a litany of others.
The laptop won't come with a Mouse. I installed a wireless 3-button optical
USB mouse on mine. The desktops come with what's called a Mighty Mouse. I
haven't used it, as I use a 3-button/wheeled mouse that I already had.
I would recommend them to anyone. There are people that have had issues,
but I haven't.
Todd
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Oh, I forgot to mention that I am very, very interested in the Mac, but I've
never used one B4. How easy/hard is it to set up?. How does it work the M$
applications? Tell me more.
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>I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. Which version of OS/390 or z/OS are you planning on running on it? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:59:01 -0400 Z Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, Toshiba :>and recommendations from this group. :>Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. I want to by a new car. I am looking at Chevy, Porche & Mercedes. Features, prices, etc., etc. What do you want? :>One thing that has turned me off is having no choice between Vista & XP Pro. "Downgrade" options are available. -- Binyamin Dissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I am very, very interested in the Mac Book Pro. How does it work with M$ apps., how easy/hard is it to set up? Carol P.S. What does the group think of Viata? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Oh, I forgot to mention that I am very, very interested in the Mac, but I've never used one B4. How easy/hard is it to set up?. How does it work the M$ applications? Tell me more. Thanks P.S. Also what is the group's consensus on Vista? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Carol, why not a MacBook Pro? 2GB ram, Intel Core 2 Duo processors... With Bootcamp or Parallels, you can have your cake and eat it too. It'll be a cold day before I buy a PC again. Todd http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/ (Bootcamp allows you to boot with Windows or OS X. Parallels allows you to run both operating systems at the same time and switch back and forth.) Hello All. I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, Toshiba and recommendations from this group. Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. One thing that has turned me off is having no choice between Vista & XP Pro. TIA Carol No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.9 - Release Date: 7/18/2007 12:00 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Thanks for responding Steve. 17'' screen. 0-2% gaming if any. Speed, memory, & storage are most important. I would like to have multiple applications running w/out notebook grinding to halt or slowing down. Capability to access internet from anywhere in the home, including my deck. I use lots of software applications, Access, Excel, Word, etc. Capability to read/write DVDs & CDs. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I still find Windows 2000 professional the best choice. Intel supplies all drivers for it, also wireless... In terms of *relative resources used* versus *resources available to the user* I experience roughly the following: w2K 25 -75 WXP 50 -50 WV 75-25 So go for a laptop with an all Intel board and get the drivers for W2K from the Intel site. Cheers Bob On 7/22/07, Z Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello All. I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, Toshiba and recommendations from this group. Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. One thing that has turned me off is having no choice between Vista & XP Pro. TIA Carol _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Yours as ever, Bob Vandenbosch See for my affiliation: http://www.nggv.nl CAUTION: I can not be held responsible for the above, as apparently my Cat, Tigger, has learned how to type -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 22/07/07, Z Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello All. I am in the market for a new notebook/laptop. I am looking at DeLL, Toshiba and recommendations from this group. Any suggestions are gratefully appreciated. Would you care to post some required specs. Wifi required for example? 12" screen or 17"? Widescreen a necessity? Ram requirements? -- Steve When 1 person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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