Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Edward Jaffe]

Chase, John wrote:

I just tried it again, with the PC freshly IPLed after a night's rest,
and still get the "page not found" error.


Sounds like something on your PC needs to be freshly reconfigured.

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Chris Mason
> 
> John
> 
> You're URL worked for me - once I had made sure there were no 
> "<" or ">"
> framing characters polluting the text. It took a while but 
> finally a 12 page .pdf file entitled the "IBM System z 
> Software Pricing Reference Guide April 2006" 
> (ZSO01378-USEN-12)appeared.

I just tried it again, with the PC freshly IPLed after a night's rest,
and still get the "page not found" error.  I guess IBM doesn't like me
any more.  :-(

Clearing the cache, deleting all cookies and restarting the browser
didn't help, either.

Another subscriber sent me a copy of the document off-list yesterday, so
I now have it in my collection.

-jc-

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Chris Mason]

John

You're URL worked for me - once I had made sure there were no "<" or ">"
framing characters polluting the text. It took a while but finally a 12 page
.pdf file entitled the "IBM System z Software Pricing Reference Guide April
2006" (ZSO01378-USEN-12)appeared.

Chris Mason

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> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Chase, John
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/sw_pricing.
> html
> > >
> > >In what seems to be becoming "typical" of IBM websites,
> > >clicking on the icon to view or download the .pdf document
> > >gives "page not found".
> >
> > Hum, it worked for me just a few minutes ago. I have the PDF on my PC.
>
> Just tried it again; still get "page not found".  Here's the URL it's
> trying (watch the wrap):
>
> <http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/fcgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=PM&subtype=RG&;
> htmlfid=ZSO01378USEN&attachment=ZSO01378USEN.PDF&appname=STG_ZS_USEN_RG>
>
> Does that look about right?
>
> -jc-

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Tom Moulder]

Here is another link you might try --> http://www.sherkow.com/lcs/

I have heard several of Al's presentations and think highly of his knowledge
on this subject.

Tom Moulder


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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:55 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/OS product licensing options.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
> > > 
> > > http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/
> > 
> >
> http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/s
w_pricing.
html

In what seems to be becoming "typical" of IBM websites, clicking on the
icon to view or download the .pdf document gives "page not found".

-jc-

Hum, it worked for me just a few minutes ago. I have the PDF on my PC.

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Chase, John
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/
> > > 
> > >
> > >
http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/sw_pricing.
html
> >
> >In what seems to be becoming "typical" of IBM websites, 
> >clicking on the icon to view or download the .pdf document 
> >gives "page not found".
> 
> Hum, it worked for me just a few minutes ago. I have the PDF on my PC.

Just tried it again; still get "page not found".  Here's the URL it's
trying (watch the wrap):



Does that look about right?

-jc-

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Edward Jaffe]

Chase, John wrote:

http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/sw_pricing.html
  


Works perfectly here.

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Ramiro Camposagrado]

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:56:16 -0600, McKown, John 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:55 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: z/OS product licensing options.
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
>> >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
>> > >
>> > > http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/s
>w_pricing.
>html
>
>In what seems to be becoming "typical" of IBM websites, clicking on the
>icon to view or download the .pdf document gives "page not found".
>
>-jc-
>
>Hum, it worked for me just a few minutes ago. I have the PDF on my PC.
>
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You might also want to check IBM's OIO: Open Infrastructure Offerings

http://www-03.ibm.com/financing/us/ondemand/offerings/oio.html

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Birger Heede]

Did you read the Pricing Reference Guide (Ed Jaffe provided the link).

The authors are very positive to feedback I have noticed myself.
Of course if you don't like lots of options the content may not be 
pleasant :-)


You are welcome to route feedback thru me if needed.

Birger Heede
IBM



R.S. wrote:

McKown, John wrote:

Does anybody have a URL where I can go to get an overview of the various
licensing for z/OS software from IBM? No, I don't want to contact IBM
marketting. No, I don't want them to contact me either. I just need the
overview.

I know there is MSU based. But there is also "usage" based that I need
more information on. And licensing on multiple CECs as well. PSLC?


IMHO this is one of the most complicated things in mainframe world. 

Unfortunately it is NOT well explained. My impression is this is 
intentionally kept complicated.


Part (most?) of the software is MSU-based, but not all.
Part of MSU-based software is eligible for WLC (usage-based).
Even for WLC, there is some constant base, but the base is dependent on 
your configuration: in single CEC or "qualified parallel sysplex" you 
pay for single base, while in multi-CEC you pay the bases separately.

Of course the variable part is not linearly dependent on MSU value.
The pricing formulas are not published.

There are also special licensing programs for small installations, new 
customers, developers, etc.




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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Chris Mason]

John

When it fails take a close look at typically the end of the URL in the
"Address" line and check for an odd character such as "right bracket"
character which has confused the site trying to handle your request.

Chris Mason

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> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
> > >
> > > http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/
> >
> >
> http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/sw_pricing.
> html
>
> In what seems to be becoming "typical" of IBM websites, clicking on the
> icon to view or download the .pdf document gives "page not found".
>
> -jc-

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:55 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/OS product licensing options.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
> > > 
> > > http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/
> > 
> >
> http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/s
w_pricing.
html

In what seems to be becoming "typical" of IBM websites, clicking on the
icon to view or download the .pdf document gives "page not found".

-jc-

Hum, it worked for me just a few minutes ago. I have the PDF on my PC.

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
> > 
> > http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/
> 
>
http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/sw_pricing.
html

In what seems to be becoming "typical" of IBM websites, clicking on the
icon to view or download the .pdf document gives "page not found".

-jc-

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:05 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/OS product licensing options.



> 
> http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/
>
http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/sw_pricing.
html

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Thanks! That appears to get me what I was looking for. 

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[R.S.]

McKown, John wrote:

Does anybody have a URL where I can go to get an overview of the various
licensing for z/OS software from IBM? No, I don't want to contact IBM
marketting. No, I don't want them to contact me either. I just need the
overview.

I know there is MSU based. But there is also "usage" based that I need
more information on. And licensing on multiple CECs as well. PSLC?


IMHO this is one of the most complicated things in mainframe world. 

Unfortunately it is NOT well explained. My impression is this is 
intentionally kept complicated.


Part (most?) of the software is MSU-based, but not all.
Part of MSU-based software is eligible for WLC (usage-based).
Even for WLC, there is some constant base, but the base is dependent on 
your configuration: in single CEC or "qualified parallel sysplex" you 
pay for single base, while in multi-CEC you pay the bases separately.

Of course the variable part is not linearly dependent on MSU value.
The pricing formulas are not published.

There are also special licensing programs for small installations, new 
customers, developers, etc.


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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Edward Jaffe]

McKown, John wrote:

Does anybody have a URL where I can go to get an overview of the various
licensing for z/OS software from IBM? No, I don't want to contact IBM
marketting. No, I don't want them to contact me either. I just need the
overview.

I know there is MSU based. But there is also "usage" based that I need
more information on. And licensing on multiple CECs as well. PSLC?

I've tried Google and going to http://www.ibm.com/us and doing a search,
but I'm deluged with hits that are of no use.
  


http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/
http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/sw_pricing.html

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Re: z/OS product licensing options.

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> 
> Does anybody have a URL where I can go to get an overview of 
> the various licensing for z/OS software from IBM? No, I don't 
> want to contact IBM marketting. No, I don't want them to 
> contact me either. I just need the overview.
> 
> I know there is MSU based. But there is also "usage" based 
> that I need more information on. And licensing on multiple 
> CECs as well. PSLC?
> 
> I've tried Google and going to http://www.ibm.com/us and 
> doing a search, but I'm deluged with hits that are of no use.

I think the specific Announcement Letter(s) for the particular z/OS or
product release(s) of interest would be your best bet.

-jc-

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z/OS product licensing options.

[McKown, John]

Does anybody have a URL where I can go to get an overview of the various
licensing for z/OS software from IBM? No, I don't want to contact IBM
marketting. No, I don't want them to contact me either. I just need the
overview.

I know there is MSU based. But there is also "usage" based that I need
more information on. And licensing on multiple CECs as well. PSLC?

I've tried Google and going to http://www.ibm.com/us and doing a search,
but I'm deluged with hits that are of no use.

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