Re: DFHSM Migration of SYS1 datasets ?

[Anthony Thompson]

ARC1245I Reason Code 1:

The data set is a system data set, a VSAM catalog, or an integrated
catalog facility (ICF) catalog. Either the first four characters of
the data set name are HSM, or the first five characters of the data
set name are SYS1, or the data set name is SYSCTLG.


HSM does not process SYS1 datasets.

If you are trying to migrate SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB, that implies the dataset is 
generally not required by any of your started tasks or other processes.

You could rename it to another HLQ, establish a SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB alias for it. 
Of course, the new datasetname would need to be catalogued in the master 
catalogue too.

Ant.

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Subject: DFHSM Migration of SYS1 datasets ?

I am at z/OS 2.1. I understand the need to make this hard, but what am I 
missing.
F DFHSM,SETMIG DATASETNAME(SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB) COMMANDMIGRATION ARC0170I SETMIG 
DSN SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB PROCESSED
EJES510 LT01-GIBNEY--/F DFHSM,MIGRATE DATASETNAME(SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB) F 
DFHSM,MIGRATE DATASETNAME(SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB) ARC1001I SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB MIGRATE 
FAILED, RC=0045, 051 ARC1001I (CONT.) REAS=0001 ARC1245I DATA SET NOT ELIGIBLE 
FOR MIGRATION

The documentation indicates that the SETMIG command should allow me to request 
DFHSM perform this migration. I've tried several varations using SETMIG LEVEL 
also. The volume where this dataset resides is Non-SMS.

Yes, I know I can use ADRDSSU to move it, but not to M1 or ML2

Does this function just not work? Or have  missed something obvious.

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[David Boyes]

> 
> Then, if you are willing to buy hardware as David Boyes outlined, you can 
> perhaps do it that way.  I have no knowledge about these products, and we 
> have not tested that approach, so I do not know whether or not it works.  If  
> someone has tried it, I'd be (academically, I'll admit) interesting in knowing

The “faketape” support for the ZPDT and friends is basically the same 
technology as the OMA/2, but done completely in software, so if you want to 
give it a whirl, find someone with a ZPDT. AWSTAPE files (a volume is a 
directory with files containing the same data as on physical carts and some 
metadata)  were invented for the OMA/2, which looks like a really long 3422 
volume to the host. The flexCUB box is able to emulate all sorts of devices, 
disk/tape/3270/etc. They’re really handy if you need to handle some obscure 
volume format on an older CPU - we recently reanimated a 4341 using one for all 
the I/O devices on that system.

We bought a physical OMA/2 long long ago and kept running with a bus/tag to 
FICON converter. BusTech also made a similar box, but I don’t remember now 
whether there was ever an ESCON version. The OMA/2 supports CD and DVD media, 
albeit with a few manual hoops to select and mount the right “volume” on the 
emulated device. It’s one of the major reasons I wish ZPDT supported an 
emulated 3494 library controller device so I could finally retire that box.

Today, I’d probably just try to find a desktop SCSI 3590, attach it to a 
stand-alone PC, and use the tape image utilities provided with Hercules to 
create a 3590 from AWSTAPE files on the DVD. Then, apply service as normal (or 
at least till IBM decides to remove the tape support code from SMP/E).

It’d be really slick if IBM reanimated the OMA/2 device with a native FICON 
adapter, even if it was just for this purpose. The ability to emulate a range 
of mainframe devices on commodity hardware has been really, really useful over 
the years.

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Mike Schwab]

Internal cloud?  Or external (internet) cloud?

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Doug  wrote:
> We all missed it, they are running in the cloud..Grins
>
> .
>
> On Mar 26, 2018, at 21:31, Paul Gilmartin 
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 15:52:57 -0500, John McKown  wrote:
>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Edward Gould wrote:
>>>
>>> Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data
>>> (include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and insists
>>> it be their way or noway.
>>>
>> So, how will Windows be installed without using the Internet or a CD or a
>> DVD? And, wasn't the tape "outside data"?
>>
> Tell Ed again, how your employer's conversion to Windows (Linux?) went.
>
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Doug]

We all missed it, they are running in the cloud..Grins 

.

On Mar 26, 2018, at 21:31, Paul Gilmartin 
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 15:52:57 -0500, John McKown  wrote:

>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Edward Gould wrote:
>> 
>> Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data
>> (include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and insists
>> it be their way or noway.
>> 
> ​So, how will Windows be installed without using the Internet or a CD or a
> DVD? And, wasn't the tape "outside data"? ​
> 
Tell Ed again, how your employer's conversion to Windows (Linux?) went.

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DFHSM Migration of SYS1 datasets ?

[Gibney, Dave]

I am at z/OS 2.1. I understand the need to make this hard, but what am I 
missing.
F DFHSM,SETMIG DATASETNAME(SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB) COMMANDMIGRATION
ARC0170I SETMIG DSN SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB PROCESSED
EJES510 LT01-GIBNEY--/F DFHSM,MIGRATE DATASETNAME(SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB)
F DFHSM,MIGRATE DATASETNAME(SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB)
ARC1001I SYS1.PSF.FDEFLIB MIGRATE FAILED, RC=0045, 051
ARC1001I (CONT.) REAS=0001
ARC1245I DATA SET NOT ELIGIBLE FOR MIGRATION

The documentation indicates that the SETMIG command should allow me to request 
DFHSM perform this migration. I've tried several varations using SETMIG LEVEL 
also. The volume where this dataset resides is Non-SMS.

Yes, I know I can use ADRDSSU to move it, but not to M1 or ML2

Does this function just not work? Or have  missed something obvious.

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 15:52:57 -0500, John McKown  wrote:

>On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Edward Gould wrote:
>
>> Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data
>> (include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and insists
>> it be their way or noway.
>>
>​So, how will Windows be installed without using the Internet or a CD or a
>DVD? And, wasn't the tape "outside data"? ​
> 
Tell Ed again, how your employer's conversion to Windows (Linux?) went.

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Clark Morris]

[Default] On 26 Mar 2018 13:38:52 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
edgould1...@comcast.net (Edward Gould) wrote:

>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, John Eells  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
> "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service 
> on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
 Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this 
 install.
 What will you do instead?
>> 
>> (I'm not sure why I can't see Ed's post, so I copied the above from another.)
>> 
>> First, we are still delivering these things on DVD and have no current plans 
>> to stop doing that.  So, if that was your concern, a connection to the 
>> internet from z/OS is not required.
>> 
>> In addition to that, you can take a laptop outside your firewall, download 
>> stuff*, bring the laptop back in, connect to your internal network, and 
>> upload it to z/OS to be processed.  A connection from z/OS to the internet 
>> is not required for this, either, and it's probably faster than waiting for 
>> a DVD to arrive.  I don't have actual numbers handy, but the data volume for 
>> most orders is probably less than you need to download for a Netflix movie 
>> in SD.  If you are ordering the gorilla in the room (z/OS itself), it's 
>> about what you need for a few Netflix HD movies.
>> 
>> Then, if you are willing to buy hardware as David Boyes outlined, you can 
>> perhaps do it that way.  I have no knowledge about these products, and we 
>> have not tested that approach, so I do not know whether or not it works.  If 
>>  someone has tried it, I'd be (academically, I'll admit) interesting in 
>> knowing about the outcome.
>> 
>> * "Stuff" = Products, PTFs, HOLDDATA, etc.
>> 
>> -- 
>John:
>Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data 
>(include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and insists it 
>be their way or noway.

My response is that both are idiots and I would like to know the name
of the company so I can short sell it.  They are going to convert to
Windows which might supply a DVD but not keep it up to date.  All
fixes are delivered via Internet.  What makes these people think that
tape can't be subverted?  IBM should make a way for z/OS to read the
DVDs but frankly unless the mainframe at this company only has hard
wired connections to it and NO outside connection, it needs Internet
delivery of fixes for time dependency reasons.

Given this mentality, I would be worried about security on that
mainframe.

Clark Morris

>Ed
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Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:29:51 -0500, Steve Horein wrote:
>Per
>https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieab600/jclsymstr.htm
>:
>"The syntax rules for using symbols in in-stream data include those
>described previously for using symbols in JCL. One important difference is
>the handling of blanks in the input data. ...
>
Another important difference is that whan an ampersand is doubled in the
input data to suppress symbol substitution both ampersands appear in the
output data, not only one.  Does the doc make this clear?  RCF?

>... The resulting string never contracts and only expands
>if there are not enough blanks to remove to maintain data positioning.
>Refer to Defining and nullifying JCL symbols
>
>for additional information."
>
>So I'm reading that as "for best results, define your symbol name no longer
>than the expected symbol value."
> 
Riiight!  This would be OK (at least better) if there weren't an onerous, 
absurdly
small limit on the length of symbols.  RFE?

Or use RECFM=V SYSIN.

I hate JCL!

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Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Steve Horein]

Per
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieab600/jclsymstr.htm
:

"The syntax rules for using symbols in in-stream data include those
described previously for using symbols in JCL. One important difference is
the handling of blanks in the input data. When symbols are substituted in
JCL statements, there is no special treatment of blanks—as symbols are
substituted, the resulting string expands or contracts depending on whether
the symbol value is longer or shorter than the symbol expression (symbol
name with a leading ampersand character and optional period at the end of
the symbol name). When symbols are substituted in in-stream data, the
system attempts to maintain the position of non-blank characters. This is
achieved by adding or removing blanks between non-blank character
sequences. At least one blank is always preserved to maintain syntactical
validity of the data. The resulting string never contracts and only expands
if there are not enough blanks to remove to maintain data positioning.
Refer to Defining and nullifying JCL symbols

for
additional information."

So I'm reading that as "for best results, define your symbol name no longer
than the expected symbol value."

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Nims,Alva John (Al) 
wrote:

> Recently we upgraded from z/OS 1.13 to z/OS 2.02 so that is why I am
> asking this question so late in the game.
>
>
>
> I have been working with using In-Stream Symbol substitution, I have been
> waiting over 30 years for this!!!, but I digress, and I noticed a minor
> annoyance/problem when some of my symbols get substituted and maybe I can
> get some light shed on it.
>
>
>
> I have a set of 4 symbols that I EXPORT:
>
> //*    -> 4 digit Year.
>
> // SET=2018
>
> //* MM -> 2 digit Month
>
> //MM   SET  MM='03'
>
> //* M3Name -> 3 Charachter Month, 'JAN', 'FEB', 'MAR', 
>
> //M3NAME   SET  M3NAME='MAR'
>
> //* MNAME  -> Full Month Name.
>
> //MNAMESET   MNAME='March'
>
> One use is in an invocation of IKJEFT01 & SYSTSIN DD:
> //SYSTSIN  DD   *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
> BPXBATCH  SH rm '/u/ajnims/FTP Client '
> Which substitutes the way I expect and want no blank spaces after 2018 &
> 03:
> BPXBATCH  SH rm '/u/ajnims/FTP Client 2018-03.xls'
>
> Now comes the fun part, in an invocation of SAS, it being SAS has nothing
> to do with it, just that it is the tool I am using for this particular
> activity and will explain the syntax.
> Within the SAS program I use the ,  and  Symbols.
> First use of a symbol:
> WHERE=(MnthN = )
> Which translates into:
> WHERE=(MnthN = 03)
> No spaces again.
>
> Here is where I have a problem:
> Sheet_Name='Client  '
> I get:
> Sheet_Name='Client MAR  2018'
> See all those spaces between "MAR" and "2018"?  It looks like the length
> is defined by the symbol name plus the "&." Characters, but why did I not
> get that with the  And ?
>
> I also have:
> Title "FTP Client Connections for the Month of  ";
> Which gives me:
> Title "FTP Client Connections for the Month of March   2018";
>
> Maybe the fix is to make  be just  Or something like that, 3
> characters for the symbol name, but going to have a problem with the full
> month name.
>
> Al Nims
> Systems Admin/Programmer III
> UF Information Technology
> East Campus
> P.O. Box 112050
> Gainesville, FL. 32611
> (e) ajn...@ufl.edu
> (p) (352) 273-1298
>
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Charles Mills]

> No longer can you talk to an IBM person directly unless you have a signed 
> contract in hand and in the other hand a certified check.

I certainly do, and all the time. As recently as week before last.

> the AUDITOR calling someone at IBM to make sure that the package came from IBM

I would guess that a certificate-signed distribution -- yes, even over the 
dread Al Gore Googlenet -- is more secure than a phone call to IBM. Who knows 
what evil lurks in the hearts of Federal Express. 2048 bit RSA keys, however, 
do not lie.

Charles


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Of Edward Gould
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
> Goofiness.
> 
> Why didn't they convert to Windows when IBM stopped distribution on 
> 9-track tape? Or when the 2540 card reader was discontinued? Or the 407?

You are missing the point. It is called the INTERNET. They do not want 
*anything* that a. Came through the internet. b. Does not come via FEDEX(or 
UPS) from IBM with signatures/id card 
c. And 1 or two more things that I am not sure of. All tape must be delivered 
to the auditor and the department takes care of authenticating everything (not 
my responsibility nor authority to question) I have heard vague rumors of the 
AUDITOR calling someone at IBM to make sure that the package came from IBM (I 
cannot confirm this). I also heard that the company looked into having a armed 
carrier truck pick the tape up at IBM but again cannot confirm this. This 
company is beyond security conscious, I cannot explain it as the origins 
predate me by 20 or so years. I have tried to bridge this a couple of times and 
was told to shut up and don’t say anything again.   
> 
> If this is how your management makes business decisions I know what 
> should be replaced, and it's not z/OS.

Management in a lot of areas is great and in others the stone age. The tape 
thing is stone age. I am sure we have a lot of overhead of people checking 
things like this out. 
Yes and it might be arcane but the company is thriving and management (at least 
mine) will not rock the boat. I am here as sort of advisor and I am not getting 
paid. If they want to be this way that is their decision not mine. I can’t even 
get a finger in to see what the decision process is in these types of matters. 
I tried one time to get a finger in and it was almost chopped off. This is fine 
with me, IBM as I suspected does not listen to its customers and really does 
not care. I have seen IBM go from a world class company to operating at the 
whims of people who have lost touch with its customers. I think the 43xx box 
was the death of IBM, thats my opinion. No longer can you talk to an IBM person 
directly unless you have a signed contract in hand and in the other hand a 
certified check.

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 16:57:47 -0500, Edward Gould  wrote:

>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
>> 
>> Goofiness.
>> 
>> Why didn't they convert to Windows when IBM stopped distribution on 9-track
>> tape? Or when the 2540 card reader was discontinued? Or the 407?
>
>You are missing the point. It is called the INTERNET. They do not want 
>*anything* that a. Came through the internet. b. Does not come via FEDEX(or 
>UPS) from IBM with signatures/id card 
>
Think digital signatures transmitted via an independent channel.
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-turbo-fueled-carrier-pigeon-16116691.html

IBM products/service on DVD or Internet are digitally signed.  On tape?
I remember 3480 cartridges coming from IBM in heat-sealed polyethylene
sleves guaranteeing virus protection.

If I understood certs, I'd mention that.

>c. ... I have tried to bridge this a couple of times and was told to shut up 
>and don’t say anything again.   
>> 
Did they pay you $130,000.00, the going rate for that?


On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:26:48 +, J R wrote:

>Assuming the current tape delivery is "outside data", how do you get it into 
>the building?  
>
Great* Grandfather Clause?

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Edward Gould]

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:52 PM, John McKown  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Edward Gould 
> wrote:
> 
>>> --
>> John:
>> Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data
>> (include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and insists
>> it be their way or noway.
>> Ed
>> 
>> 
> ​So, how will Windows be installed without using the Internet or a CD or a
> DVD? And, wasn't the tape "outside data”?

John, I was told to stay out of the process PERIOD. Like I said I will be in 
genuine retirement and no longer care about IBM.
just some good memories of now ex IBM people I have met over the years.

Ed
> ​
> 

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Edward Gould]

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
> Goofiness.
> 
> Why didn't they convert to Windows when IBM stopped distribution on 9-track
> tape? Or when the 2540 card reader was discontinued? Or the 407?

You are missing the point. It is called the INTERNET. They do not want 
*anything* that a. Came through the internet. b. Does not come via FEDEX(or 
UPS) from IBM with signatures/id card 
c. And 1 or two more things that I am not sure of. All tape must be delivered 
to the auditor and the department takes care of authenticating everything (not 
my responsibility nor authority to question) I have heard vague rumors of the 
AUDITOR calling someone at IBM to make sure that the package came from IBM (I 
cannot confirm this). I also heard that the company looked into having a armed 
carrier truck pick the tape up at IBM but again cannot confirm this. This 
company is beyond security conscious, I cannot explain it as the origins 
predate me by 20 or so years. I have tried to bridge this a couple of times and 
was told to shut up and don’t say anything again.   
> 
> If this is how your management makes business decisions I know what should
> be replaced, and it's not z/OS.

Management in a lot of areas is great and in others the stone age. The tape 
thing is stone age. I am sure we have a lot of overhead of people checking 
things like this out. 
Yes and it might be arcane but the company is thriving and management (at least 
mine) will not rock the boat. I am here as sort of advisor and I am not getting 
paid. If they want to be this way that is their decision not mine. I can’t even 
get a finger in to see what the decision process is in these types of matters. 
I tried one time to get a finger in and it was almost chopped off. This is fine 
with me, IBM as I suspected does not listen to its customers and really does 
not care. I have seen IBM go from a world class company to operating at the 
whims of people who have lost touch with its customers. I think the 43xx box 
was the death of IBM, thats my opinion. No longer can you talk to an IBM person 
directly unless you have a signed contract in hand and in the other hand a 
certified check.

Ed

> 
> https://www.someecards.com/usercards/viewcard/beauty-is-skin-deep-but-stupid
> -goes-right-to-the-bone-b1c28 
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Edward Gould
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:36 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
 
 "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service
> on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
>>> 
>>> Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this
> install. 
>>> 
>> What will you do instead?  Have you plans to convert to another supplier?
>> How long will it take?  Will you stumble along without support or
> upgrades?
>> Have you found a contractor who will convert optical media or network 
>> to tape for you?  Is that acceptable to your security people and to IBM
> OCC?
>> 
>> -- gil
> 
> Gil:
> 
> Told my manager this AM, he called IBM. They said yes it will be
> discontinued.
> My manager called his VP. The VP started calling companies that will be
> putting a bid in for conversion to Windows.
> He has called 4 companies and they are coming in the next 3 weeks and go
> over what is needed to convert everything off the MF to Windows.
> The wiff of going poof is in the air. 
> Well its not like I am getting paid, I will be in full time retirement and
> not being able to play in the sandbox anymore(:
> Hope everybody is able to find jobs.
> The only question now is timeframe.
> I heard several people on the phone talking to their head hunters.
> 
> Ed 
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Steve Thompson]

How badly do they want a tape install?

Are they willing to allow a third party to get them what they need?

I think I know how make this happen.

Regards,
Steve Thompson


On 03/26/2018 04:40 PM, Edward Gould wrote:

On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, John Eells  wrote:


On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:

"IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service on magnetic 
tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."

Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this install.
What will you do instead?


(I'm not sure why I can't see Ed's post, so I copied the above from another.)

First, we are still delivering these things on DVD and have no current plans to 
stop doing that.  So, if that was your concern, a connection to the internet 
from z/OS is not required.

In addition to that, you can take a laptop outside your firewall, download 
stuff*, bring the laptop back in, connect to your internal network, and upload 
it to z/OS to be processed.  A connection from z/OS to the internet is not 
required for this, either, and it's probably faster than waiting for a DVD to 
arrive.  I don't have actual numbers handy, but the data volume for most orders 
is probably less than you need to download for a Netflix movie in SD.  If you 
are ordering the gorilla in the room (z/OS itself), it's about what you need 
for a few Netflix HD movies.

Then, if you are willing to buy hardware as David Boyes outlined, you can 
perhaps do it that way.  I have no knowledge about these products, and we have 
not tested that approach, so I do not know whether or not it works.  If  
someone has tried it, I'd be (academically, I'll admit) interesting in knowing 
about the outcome.

* "Stuff" = Products, PTFs, HOLDDATA, etc.

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Mike Schwab]

Last time I used a tape was for LAN backups in the early 1990s.  No
software distribution though.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> Goofiness.
>
> Why didn't they convert to Windows when IBM stopped distribution on 9-track
> tape? Or when the 2540 card reader was discontinued? Or the 407?
>
> If this is how your management makes business decisions I know what should
> be replaced, and it's not z/OS.
>
> https://www.someecards.com/usercards/viewcard/beauty-is-skin-deep-but-stupid
> -goes-right-to-the-bone-b1c28
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Edward Gould
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:36 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued
>
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:

 "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service
> on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
>>>
>>> Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this
> install.
>>>
>> What will you do instead?  Have you plans to convert to another supplier?
>> How long will it take?  Will you stumble along without support or
> upgrades?
>> Have you found a contractor who will convert optical media or network
>> to tape for you?  Is that acceptable to your security people and to IBM
> OCC?
>>
>> -- gil
>
> Gil:
>
> Told my manager this AM, he called IBM. They said yes it will be
> discontinued.
> My manager called his VP. The VP started calling companies that will be
> putting a bid in for conversion to Windows.
> He has called 4 companies and they are coming in the next 3 weeks and go
> over what is needed to convert everything off the MF to Windows.
> The wiff of going poof is in the air.
> Well its not like I am getting paid, I will be in full time retirement and
> not being able to play in the sandbox anymore(:
> Hope everybody is able to find jobs.
> The only question now is timeframe.
> I heard several people on the phone talking to their head hunters.
>
> Ed
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[J R]

Assuming the current tape delivery is "outside data", how do you get it into 
the building?  

If Ted McNeil were still active in this forum, he'd say that auditors don't 
make policy, they just enforce it. 

This whole attitude seems a little weird:  Replacing z/OS with Windows because 
IBM is changing from tape to a more modern medium.  It sounds like a baby 
throwing his toys out of the pram!  

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 16:40, Edward Gould  wrote:
> 
> Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data 
> (include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and insists 
> it be their way or noway.

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Steve Beaver]

Roflol 

Sent from my iPhone

Sorry for the autocorrect issues 

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 16:14, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
> I can't get Windows on 3480 cartridge?!?
> 
> That does it! We're converting to TRSDOS instead.
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Gibney, Dave
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:48 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued
> 
> And just exactly how do they expect to get Windows? Microsoft is basically 
> subscriptions services noadaays.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
>> On Behalf Of Edward Gould
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:40 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued
>> 
 On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, John Eells  wrote:
 
 On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>> "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and
>> service on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
> Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this 
> install.
> What will you do instead?
>>> 
>>> (I'm not sure why I can't see Ed's post, so I copied the above from
>>> another.)
>>> 
>>> First, we are still delivering these things on DVD and have no 
>>> current plans
>> to stop doing that.  So, if that was your concern, a connection to the 
>> internet from z/OS is not required.
>>> 
>>> In addition to that, you can take a laptop outside your firewall, 
>>> download
>> stuff*, bring the laptop back in, connect to your internal network, 
>> and upload it to z/OS to be processed.  A connection from z/OS to the 
>> internet is not required for this, either, and it's probably faster 
>> than waiting for a DVD to arrive.  I don't have actual numbers handy, 
>> but the data volume for most orders is probably less than you need to 
>> download for a Netflix movie in SD.
>> If you are ordering the gorilla in the room (z/OS itself), it's about 
>> what you need for a few Netflix HD movies.
>>> 
>>> Then, if you are willing to buy hardware as David Boyes outlined, 
>>> you can
>> perhaps do it that way.  I have no knowledge about these products, and 
>> we have not tested that approach, so I do not know whether or not it 
>> works.  If someone has tried it, I'd be (academically, I'll admit) 
>> interesting in knowing about the outcome.
>>> 
>>> * "Stuff" = Products, PTFs, HOLDDATA, etc.
>>> 
>>> --
>> John:
>> Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data 
>> (include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and 
>> insists it be their way or noway.
>> Ed
>> 
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Charles Mills]

I can't get Windows on 3480 cartridge?!?

That does it! We're converting to TRSDOS instead.

Charles


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Gibney, Dave
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:48 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

And just exactly how do they expect to get Windows? Microsoft is basically 
subscriptions services noadaays.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Edward Gould
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:40 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued
> 
> > On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, John Eells  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>  "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and
> service on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
> >>> Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this 
> >>> install.
> >>> What will you do instead?
> >
> > (I'm not sure why I can't see Ed's post, so I copied the above from
> > another.)
> >
> > First, we are still delivering these things on DVD and have no 
> > current plans
> to stop doing that.  So, if that was your concern, a connection to the 
> internet from z/OS is not required.
> >
> > In addition to that, you can take a laptop outside your firewall, 
> > download
> stuff*, bring the laptop back in, connect to your internal network, 
> and upload it to z/OS to be processed.  A connection from z/OS to the 
> internet is not required for this, either, and it's probably faster 
> than waiting for a DVD to arrive.  I don't have actual numbers handy, 
> but the data volume for most orders is probably less than you need to 
> download for a Netflix movie in SD.
> If you are ordering the gorilla in the room (z/OS itself), it's about 
> what you need for a few Netflix HD movies.
> >
> > Then, if you are willing to buy hardware as David Boyes outlined, 
> > you can
> perhaps do it that way.  I have no knowledge about these products, and 
> we have not tested that approach, so I do not know whether or not it 
> works.  If someone has tried it, I'd be (academically, I'll admit) 
> interesting in knowing about the outcome.
> >
> > * "Stuff" = Products, PTFs, HOLDDATA, etc.
> >
> > --
> John:
> Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data 
> (include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and 
> insists it be their way or noway.
> Ed
> 
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[John McKown]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Edward Gould 
wrote:

> > --
> John:
> Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data
> (include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and insists
> it be their way or noway.
> Ed
>
>
​So, how will Windows be installed without using the Internet or a CD or a
DVD? And, wasn't the tape "outside data"? ​

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Gibney, Dave]

And just exactly how do they expect to get Windows? Microsoft is basically 
subscriptions services noadaays.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Edward Gould
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:40 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued
> 
> > On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, John Eells  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>  "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and
> service on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
> >>> Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this 
> >>> install.
> >>> What will you do instead?
> >
> > (I'm not sure why I can't see Ed's post, so I copied the above from
> > another.)
> >
> > First, we are still delivering these things on DVD and have no current plans
> to stop doing that.  So, if that was your concern, a connection to the 
> internet
> from z/OS is not required.
> >
> > In addition to that, you can take a laptop outside your firewall, download
> stuff*, bring the laptop back in, connect to your internal network, and upload
> it to z/OS to be processed.  A connection from z/OS to the internet is not
> required for this, either, and it's probably faster than waiting for a DVD to
> arrive.  I don't have actual numbers handy, but the data volume for most
> orders is probably less than you need to download for a Netflix movie in SD.
> If you are ordering the gorilla in the room (z/OS itself), it's about what you
> need for a few Netflix HD movies.
> >
> > Then, if you are willing to buy hardware as David Boyes outlined, you can
> perhaps do it that way.  I have no knowledge about these products, and we
> have not tested that approach, so I do not know whether or not it works.  If
> someone has tried it, I'd be (academically, I'll admit) interesting in knowing
> about the outcome.
> >
> > * "Stuff" = Products, PTFs, HOLDDATA, etc.
> >
> > --
> John:
> Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data
> (include DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and insists it
> be their way or noway.
> Ed
> 
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Charles Mills]

Goofiness.

Why didn't they convert to Windows when IBM stopped distribution on 9-track
tape? Or when the 2540 card reader was discontinued? Or the 407?

If this is how your management makes business decisions I know what should
be replaced, and it's not z/OS.

https://www.someecards.com/usercards/viewcard/beauty-is-skin-deep-but-stupid
-goes-right-to-the-bone-b1c28 

Charles


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Behalf Of Edward Gould
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>>> 
>>> "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service
on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
>> 
>> Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this
install. 
>> 
> What will you do instead?  Have you plans to convert to another supplier?
> How long will it take?  Will you stumble along without support or
upgrades?
> Have you found a contractor who will convert optical media or network 
> to tape for you?  Is that acceptable to your security people and to IBM
OCC?
> 
> -- gil

Gil:

Told my manager this AM, he called IBM. They said yes it will be
discontinued.
My manager called his VP. The VP started calling companies that will be
putting a bid in for conversion to Windows.
He has called 4 companies and they are coming in the next 3 weeks and go
over what is needed to convert everything off the MF to Windows.
The wiff of going poof is in the air. 
Well its not like I am getting paid, I will be in full time retirement and
not being able to play in the sandbox anymore(:
Hope everybody is able to find jobs.
The only question now is timeframe.
I heard several people on the phone talking to their head hunters.

Ed 

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Doug Fuerst]

 This is much ado about nothing. Most places I work at have been 
downloading the z/OS releases for years.
Good luck converting to Windoze. Guess your manager like freezes and 
hacks.


Doug Fuerst


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To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
Sent: 26-Mar-18 4:35:46 PM
Subject: Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

 On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin 
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


 On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:


 "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and 
service on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."


 Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this 
install.


 What will you do instead?  Have you plans to convert to another 
supplier?
 How long will it take?  Will you stumble along without support or 
upgrades?
 Have you found a contractor who will convert optical media or network 
to
 tape for you?  Is that acceptable to your security people and to IBM 
OCC?


 -- gil


Gil:

Told my manager this AM, he called IBM. They said yes it will be 
discontinued.
My manager called his VP. The VP started calling companies that will be 
putting a bid in for conversion to Windows.
He has called 4 companies and they are coming in the next 3 weeks and 
go over what is needed to convert everything off the MF to Windows.

The wiff of going poof is in the air.
Well its not like I am getting paid, I will be in full time retirement 
and not being able to play in the sandbox anymore(:

Hope everybody is able to find jobs.
The only question now is timeframe.
I heard several people on the phone talking to their head hunters.

Ed

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Edward Gould]

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, John Eells  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
 "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service 
 on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
>>> Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this install.
>>> What will you do instead?
> 
> (I'm not sure why I can't see Ed's post, so I copied the above from another.)
> 
> First, we are still delivering these things on DVD and have no current plans 
> to stop doing that.  So, if that was your concern, a connection to the 
> internet from z/OS is not required.
> 
> In addition to that, you can take a laptop outside your firewall, download 
> stuff*, bring the laptop back in, connect to your internal network, and 
> upload it to z/OS to be processed.  A connection from z/OS to the internet is 
> not required for this, either, and it's probably faster than waiting for a 
> DVD to arrive.  I don't have actual numbers handy, but the data volume for 
> most orders is probably less than you need to download for a Netflix movie in 
> SD.  If you are ordering the gorilla in the room (z/OS itself), it's about 
> what you need for a few Netflix HD movies.
> 
> Then, if you are willing to buy hardware as David Boyes outlined, you can 
> perhaps do it that way.  I have no knowledge about these products, and we 
> have not tested that approach, so I do not know whether or not it works.  If  
> someone has tried it, I'd be (academically, I'll admit) interesting in 
> knowing about the outcome.
> 
> * "Stuff" = Products, PTFs, HOLDDATA, etc.
> 
> -- 
John:
Between the Auditor and the CEO they are of one voice. No outside data (include 
DVD’s) are allowed. They have been quite vocal in this and insists it be their 
way or noway.
Ed

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Edward Gould]

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin 
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>>> 
>>> "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service on 
>>> magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
>> 
>> Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this install. 
>> 
> What will you do instead?  Have you plans to convert to another supplier?
> How long will it take?  Will you stumble along without support or upgrades?
> Have you found a contractor who will convert optical media or network to
> tape for you?  Is that acceptable to your security people and to IBM OCC?
> 
> -- gil

Gil:

Told my manager this AM, he called IBM. They said yes it will be discontinued.
My manager called his VP. The VP started calling companies that will be putting 
a bid in for conversion to Windows.
He has called 4 companies and they are coming in the next 3 weeks and go over 
what is needed to convert everything off the MF to Windows.
The wiff of going poof is in the air. 
Well its not like I am getting paid, I will be in full time retirement and not 
being able to play in the sandbox anymore(:
Hope everybody is able to find jobs.
The only question now is timeframe.
I heard several people on the phone talking to their head hunters.

Ed 

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Re: VIO SDWA logrec records

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:57 PM, John Eells  wrote:
> 
> What do the formatted LOGREC records show?

Here’s one example:

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ERRORID: SEQ=55385  CPU=  ASID=0087  TIME=04:04:18.9

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  RECOVERY ROUTINE LABEL:  ILRCGOSE
  DATE ASSEMBLED:  99314
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  SUBFUNCTION: ASM - VIO CONTROL

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  INSTRUCTION LENGTH: 02   INTERRUPT CODE: 000D
  FAILING INSTRUCTION TEXT: 891C 0A0D58E0 90189504

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  THIS TASK'S ASID/TCB: 0087/009FE990


  RTM WAS ENTERED BECAUSE A TASK REQUESTED ABEND VIA SVC 13.
  THE ERROR OCCURRED WHILE AN ENABLED RB WAS IN CONTROL.
  NO LOCKS WERE HELD.
  NO SUPER BITS WERE SET.

STATUS FROM THE RB WHICH ESTABLISHED THE ESTAE EXIT

  PSW: 070C3000 853A7A04   INSTRUCTION LENGTH: 02   INTERRUPT CODE: 000D

RECOVERY ENVIRONMENT

  RECOVERY ROUTINE TYPE: ESTAE RECOVERY ROUTINE
  RECOVERY ROUTINE ENTRY POINT: 81609548
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  THE RECOVERY ROUTINE RETRIED TO ADDRESS 853A7A04.
  AN SVC DUMP WAS NOT REQUESTED.
  NO LOCKS WERE REQUESTED TO BE FREED.
  THE SDWA WAS REQUESTED TO BE FREED BEFORE RETRY.

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Re: mainframe distribution

[Wayne Bickerdike]

Australia may have zero VSE shops now.

z/OS, at a guess would be between 80-200.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Dejan Stamatovic 
wrote:

> Just for the sake of anybody’s interest.
>
> There in Serbia (a small European market) we have:
>
> 4 z/OS installations
>
> 1 VSE installations
>
> Do not know whether this proves anybody's point but there it is!
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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[John Eells]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:

"IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service on magnetic 
tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."

Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this install.
What will you do instead?


(I'm not sure why I can't see Ed's post, so I copied the above from 
another.)


First, we are still delivering these things on DVD and have no current 
plans to stop doing that.  So, if that was your concern, a connection to 
the internet from z/OS is not required.


In addition to that, you can take a laptop outside your firewall, 
download stuff*, bring the laptop back in, connect to your internal 
network, and upload it to z/OS to be processed.  A connection from z/OS 
to the internet is not required for this, either, and it's probably 
faster than waiting for a DVD to arrive.  I don't have actual numbers 
handy, but the data volume for most orders is probably less than you 
need to download for a Netflix movie in SD.  If you are ordering the 
gorilla in the room (z/OS itself), it's about what you need for a few 
Netflix HD movies.


Then, if you are willing to buy hardware as David Boyes outlined, you 
can perhaps do it that way.  I have no knowledge about these products, 
and we have not tested that approach, so I do not know whether or not it 
works.  If  someone has tried it, I'd be (academically, I'll admit) 
interesting in knowing about the outcome.


* "Stuff" = Products, PTFs, HOLDDATA, etc.

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Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Farley, Peter x23353]

This worked on my employer's V2.2 system:

// EXPORT SYMLIST=*  
// SET S=MAR 
// SET =2018 
//*  
//GEN   EXEC  PGM=IEBGENER   
//SYSPRINT  DD  SYSOUT=* 
//SYSIN DD  DUMMY
//SYSUT2DD  SYSOUT=* 
//SYSUT1DD *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY 

//*  

SYSUT2 output via SDSF Browse in a TN3270 50x160 session (watch for wrap):

SDSF BROWSE  TDPEFARZ (JOB09122) SYSUT2 
 Line 0001 Col 001 160 
 Command ===>   
   Scroll ===> CSR  
+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+0+1+2+3+4+5+6
MAR 2018

 Bottom 
of Data 

Peter

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Subject: Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

Thank you for the suggestions, but instead of trying to make it easy by 
complicating things, I am just going to do:
//SHRTMN SETSHRTMN='SEP 2018'
//*
//LONGMN SETLONGMN='September 2018'

The above works just fine for me.

Al Nims
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P.O. Box 112050
Gainesville, FL. 32611
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Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:10 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:35:45 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:

>Not really.
>I have been using IEBGENER to create a simple way of testing.
>
>Here is what happened when I did the SET statement as you suggested.
>
>I inserted the following after adding M5NAME to the EXPORT list and there is a 
>black space between   and :
>//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '

The argument to SET is not documented as one of the few places in which symbol 
substitution is performed between apostrophes.  However, I have found something 
like this works.  I can find no documentation to support this:

//   SET Q=
//   SET B=' '
//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=
(I don't believe the dots are necessary.)

The order of operations in parsing JCL is poorly documented.  There should be 
an RCF for this.

There should be an RFE to support symbol substitution in a quoted argument to 
SET.  (But compatibility?)

>In the JCL Output the above becomes:
>//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '
>//M5NAME   EXPORT EXPSET=  GENERATED STATEMENT
>...
>I am sure that there is a simple little explanation buried somewhere, but I 
>have not found it.
>I also just realized that with another symbol, I am going to have a problem 
>with "September" and other long named months.
>I am going to have to do some additional testing.
> 
I get a runtime I/O error when I do that sort of thing, even when I specify an 
ample LRECL on the SYSUT1 DD.  The coded LRECL appears to be effective wnen 
attributes are merged at OPEN, but not when symbols are substituted.  I 
consider this an implementation defect which should be subject to APAR.

I hate JCL!
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Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:46:37 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:
>
>I opened a PMR last year on the use of
>
>Set A=',UNIT=SYSDA' and SET A=' UNIT=SYSDA'
>
>In the first case, the substitution was correct
>
>The Second case:
>   //DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.DSN
>
>Where I had hoped for
>   //DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.DSN UNIT=SYSDA
>
(But, that makes "UNIT=SYSDA" a comment.  Did it matter?)

>So somethings will not substitute well with spaces in them, and others will
> ...
>I was told Work As Designed
> 
Bull!  "Work As Designed" implies that there was any consistent design.
It appears more as if IBM coders made changes until the most lucrative
customer was placated in one test case.

HLASM is worse.

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Re: VIO SDWA logrec records

[John Eells]

Pew, Curtis G wrote:

On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Edward Gould  wrote:


Are you doing CVIO at each IPL?


We do CLPA but not CVIO. I can set it up to do that for our next IPL.

Thanks for the hint.



CLPA "implies" (i.e., includes) VIO.  From Init & Tuning:

"Note: If you want the auxiliary storage manager (ASM) to purge and
reinitialize both the VIO data set pages and the PLPA pages, specify 
CLPA.  CLPA always implies CVIO."


So there should be no need to do another IPL to try to "clear things up."

What do the formatted LOGREC records show?

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[David Boyes]

On 3/26/18, 2:44 PM, "IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul 
Gilmartin"  wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>> "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service on 
>> magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
>Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this install. 
> What will you do instead?  

Easy, folks. Find someone with an IBM OMA/2 or a FlexCUB from Fundamental 
Software. Cheap, and lets you read DVDs as tape from the mainframe 
transparently -- supports reading and writing AWSTAPE format. I think they've 
announced a FICON version, but if not, an ESCON to FICON converter, and you're 
done. 


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Re: VIO SDWA logrec records

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Allan Staller  wrote:
> 
> CVIO is included in CLPA. Check the fine manuals.

Yes, I should have done that *before* responding.

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Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Lizette Koehler]

Just a side note

I opened a PMR last year on the use of 

Set A=',UNIT=SYSDA' and SET A=' UNIT=SYSDA'

In the first case, the substitution was correct

In the second substitution - I was hoping to see a space followed by UNIT=SYSDA


   //DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.DSN

The first case:
   //DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.DSN,UNIT=SYSDA

The Second case:
   //DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.DSN 

Where I had hoped for 
   //DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.DSN UNIT=SYSDA

So somethings will not substitute well with spaces in them, and others will

IEBCOPY - it carried everything into the control cards.  JCL not so much

I was told Work As Designed

Lizette



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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
> Nims,Alva John (Al)
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 11:19 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length
> 
> Thank you for the suggestions, but instead of trying to make it easy by
> complicating things, I am just going to do:
> //SHRTMN SETSHRTMN='SEP 2018'
> //*
> //LONGMN SETLONGMN='September 2018'
> 
> The above works just fine for me.
> 
> Al Nims
> Systems Admin/Programmer III
> UF Information Technology
> East Campus
> P.O. Box 112050
> Gainesville, FL. 32611
> (e) ajn...@ufl.edu
> (p) (352) 273-1298
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:10 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length
> 
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:35:45 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:
> 
> >Not really.
> >I have been using IEBGENER to create a simple way of testing.
> >
> >Here is what happened when I did the SET statement as you suggested.
> >
> >I inserted the following after adding M5NAME to the EXPORT list and there is
> a black space between   and :
> >//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '
> 
> The argument to SET is not documented as one of the few places in which
> symbol substitution is performed between apostrophes.  However, I have found
> something like this works.  I can find no documentation to support this:
> 
> //   SET Q=
> //   SET B=' '
> //M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=
> (I don't believe the dots are necessary.)
> 
> The order of operations in parsing JCL is poorly documented.  There should be
> an RCF for this.
> 
> There should be an RFE to support symbol substitution in a quoted argument to
> SET.  (But compatibility?)
> 
> >In the JCL Output the above becomes:
> >//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '
> >//M5NAME   EXPORT EXPSET=  GENERATED STATEMENT
> >...
> >I am sure that there is a simple little explanation buried somewhere, but I
> have not found it.
> >I also just realized that with another symbol, I am going to have a problem
> with "September" and other long named months.
> >I am going to have to do some additional testing.
> >
> I get a runtime I/O error when I do that sort of thing, even when I specify
> an ample LRECL on the SYSUT1 DD.  The coded LRECL appears to be effective
> wnen attributes are merged at OPEN, but not when symbols are substituted.  I
> consider this an implementation defect which should be subject to APAR.
> 
> I hate JCL!
> 
> -- gil
> 

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:33:23 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>> 
>> "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service on 
>> magnetic tape on July 1, 2018.  ..."
>
>Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this install. 
>
What will you do instead?  Have you plans to convert to another supplier?
How long will it take?  Will you stumble along without support or upgrades?
Have you found a contractor who will convert optical media or network to
tape for you?  Is that acceptable to your security people and to IBM OCC?

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Re: VIO SDWA logrec records

[Allan Staller]

CVIO is included in CLPA. Check the fine manuals.

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On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Edward Gould  wrote:
>
> Are you doing CVIO at each IPL?

We do CLPA but not CVIO. I can set it up to do that for our next IPL.

Thanks for the hint.

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Re: VIO SDWA logrec records

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On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Edward Gould  wrote:
> 
> Are you doing CVIO at each IPL?

We do CLPA but not CVIO. I can set it up to do that for our next IPL.

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Re: Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[Edward Gould]

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 12:04 PM, John Eells  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps some of you recall this from last October.  If you missed it in the 
> announcement:
> 
> "IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service on 
> magnetic tape on July 1, 2018. This fulfills the statement of direction in 
> Software Announcement A17-0134, dated February 21, 2017. IBM recommends 
> downloading products and service over the internet. However, if you have a 
> requirement for physical media, products and service remain available on DVD."

Congratulations to IBM. This sounds the death nell for z/OS at this install. 

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Re: VIO SDWA logrec records

[Edward Gould]

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Pew, Curtis G  
> wrote:
> 
> Ever since our last IPL my daily logrec reports have contained hundreds of 
> SDWA records that seem to point to a problem with VIO. There’s always a pair 
> of records, and the first has a recordable extension that starts with 
> “SC1CWASM - VIO CONTROL” and the second starts with “DF102VIO-JOURN”. I 
> googled these strings but didn’t find anything useful. Has anyone seen 
> anything like this, or have any idea where I might look for more information? 
> These records are the only symptoms I’ve been able to discern that anything 
> might be wrong; otherwise everything seems to be running normally.
> 
> I should mention that the operator performing the IPL forgot to shut anything 
> down before going to the HMC and starting the IPL, so lots of things were 
> running and didn’t get a chance to end gracefully.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Are you doing CVIO at each IPL?
Ed
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Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

Thank you for the suggestions, but instead of trying to make it easy by 
complicating things, I am just going to do:
//SHRTMN SETSHRTMN='SEP 2018'
//*
//LONGMN SETLONGMN='September 2018'

The above works just fine for me.

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer III
UF Information Technology
East Campus 
P.O. Box 112050
Gainesville, FL. 32611
(e) ajn...@ufl.edu 
(p) (352) 273-1298

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:10 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:35:45 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:

>Not really.
>I have been using IEBGENER to create a simple way of testing.
>
>Here is what happened when I did the SET statement as you suggested.
>
>I inserted the following after adding M5NAME to the EXPORT list and there is a 
>black space between   and :
>//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '

The argument to SET is not documented as one of the few places in which symbol 
substitution is performed between apostrophes.  However, I have found something 
like this works.  I can find no documentation to support this:

//   SET Q=
//   SET B=' '
//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=
(I don't believe the dots are necessary.)

The order of operations in parsing JCL is poorly documented.  There should be 
an RCF for this.

There should be an RFE to support symbol substitution in a quoted argument to 
SET.  (But compatibility?)

>In the JCL Output the above becomes:
>//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '
>//M5NAME   EXPORT EXPSET=  GENERATED STATEMENT
>...
>I am sure that there is a simple little explanation buried somewhere, but I 
>have not found it.
>I also just realized that with another symbol, I am going to have a problem 
>with "September" and other long named months.
>I am going to have to do some additional testing.
> 
I get a runtime I/O error when I do that sort of thing, even when I specify an 
ample LRECL on the SYSUT1 DD.  The coded LRECL appears to be effective wnen 
attributes are merged at OPEN, but not when symbols are substituted.  I 
consider this an implementation defect which should be subject to APAR.

I hate JCL!

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Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:35:45 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote:

>Not really.
>I have been using IEBGENER to create a simple way of testing.
>
>Here is what happened when I did the SET statement as you suggested.
>
>I inserted the following after adding M5NAME to the EXPORT list and there is a 
>black space between   and :
>//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '

The argument to SET is not documented as one of the few places in which
symbol substitution is performed between apostrophes.  However, I have found
something like this works.  I can find no documentation to support this:

//   SET Q=
//   SET B=' '
//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=
(I don't believe the dots are necessary.)

The order of operations in parsing JCL is poorly documented.  There
should be an RCF for this.

There should be an RFE to support symbol substitution in a quoted
argument to SET.  (But compatibility?)

>In the JCL Output the above becomes:
>//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '
>//M5NAME   EXPORT EXPSET=  GENERATED STATEMENT
>...
>I am sure that there is a simple little explanation buried somewhere, but I 
>have not found it.
>I also just realized that with another symbol, I am going to have a problem 
>with "September" and other long named months.
>I am going to have to do some additional testing.
> 
I get a runtime I/O error when I do that sort of thing, even when I specify an
ample LRECL on the SYSUT1 DD.  The coded LRECL appears to be effective wnen
attributes are merged at OPEN, but not when symbols are substituted.  I consider
this an implementation defect which should be subject to APAR.

I hate JCL!

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Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

Not really.
I have been using IEBGENER to create a simple way of testing.

Here is what happened when I did the SET statement as you suggested.

I inserted the following after adding M5NAME to the EXPORT list and there is a 
black space between   and :
//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '
In the JCL Output the above becomes:
//M5NAME  SET   M5NAME=' '
//M5NAME   EXPORT EXPSET=  GENERATED STATEMENT

In the SYSUT2 DD I had the following:
+1+2+3

Here is what I got as output.
+1+2+3
 

I am sure that there is a simple little explanation buried somewhere, but I 
have not found it.
I also just realized that with another symbol, I am going to have a problem 
with "September" and other long named months.
I am going to have to do some additional testing.

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer III
UF Information Technology
East Campus 
P.O. Box 112050
Gainesville, FL. 32611
(e) ajn...@ufl.edu 
(p) (352) 273-1298

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Of Charles Mills
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 12:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

I am no expert but does

// SET M3 = ''
...
Sheet_Name='Client '

Solve anything?

Charles


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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:53 AM
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Subject: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

Recently we upgraded from z/OS 1.13 to z/OS 2.02 so that is why I am asking 
this question so late in the game.



I have been working with using In-Stream Symbol substitution, I have been 
waiting over 30 years for this!!!, but I digress, and I noticed a minor 
annoyance/problem when some of my symbols get substituted and maybe I can get 
some light shed on it.



I have a set of 4 symbols that I EXPORT:

//*    -> 4 digit Year.

// SET=2018

//* MM -> 2 digit Month

//MM   SET  MM='03'

//* M3Name -> 3 Charachter Month, 'JAN', 'FEB', 'MAR', 

//M3NAME   SET  M3NAME='MAR'

//* MNAME  -> Full Month Name.

//MNAMESET   MNAME='March'

One use is in an invocation of IKJEFT01 & SYSTSIN DD:
//SYSTSIN  DD   *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
BPXBATCH  SH rm '/u/ajnims/FTP Client '
Which substitutes the way I expect and want no blank spaces after 2018 & 03:
BPXBATCH  SH rm '/u/ajnims/FTP Client 2018-03.xls'

Now comes the fun part, in an invocation of SAS, it being SAS has nothing to do 
with it, just that it is the tool I am using for this particular activity and 
will explain the syntax.
Within the SAS program I use the ,  and  Symbols.
First use of a symbol:
WHERE=(MnthN = )
Which translates into:
WHERE=(MnthN = 03)
No spaces again.

Here is where I have a problem:
Sheet_Name='Client  '
I get:
Sheet_Name='Client MAR  2018'
See all those spaces between "MAR" and "2018"?  It looks like the length is 
defined by the symbol name plus the "&." Characters, but why did I not get that 
with the  And ?

I also have:
Title "FTP Client Connections for the Month of  "; Which gives
me:
Title "FTP Client Connections for the Month of March   2018";

Maybe the fix is to make  be just  Or something like that, 3 
characters for the symbol name, but going to have a problem with the full month 
name.

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer III
UF Information Technology
East Campus
P.O. Box 112050
Gainesville, FL. 32611
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Software Delivery on Tape to be Discontinued

[John Eells]

Perhaps some of you recall this from last October.  If you missed it in 
the announcement:


"IBM plans to discontinue delivery of z/OS platform products and service 
on magnetic tape on July 1, 2018. This fulfills the statement of 
direction in Software Announcement A17-0134, dated February 21, 2017. 
IBM recommends downloading products and service over the internet. 
However, if you have a requirement for physical media, products and 
service remain available on DVD."



John Eells wrote:


The problem everyone has with physical media is being able to ship
something compatible with what people have today, and will continue
to have tomorrow.  Our tape drives cartridge formats are not, as far
as I know, readable by other manufacturer's tape drives these days.
(3480 was the last interoperable format.)

On the workstation front, optical drives are falling out of favor on
new machines.  I personally want to stay away from USB memory sticks,
and a number of very security-conscious clients do not allow their
use at all.  They disable USB ports entirely, which precludes all
things that are USB-attached and not just memory sticks.  We're
starting to run shy of things we can send everyone that will remain
usable for the foreseeable future.

It's this, really, that might drive us toward Internet-only delivery
at some future point.

John Eells
z/OS Platform Installation Strategy



John,

How are you going to handle the orders for Tapes? Our installation
does not have *ANY* internet connection from the M/F. AFAIK that will
never change. The place is hyper about security. I think its
overblown, but the current upper management says NFW. When they say no
they mean no. Myself I am happy with tape, I don’t have to worry about
the SMPE creating datasets all over the place and having 5 volumes(or
more) for simple maintenance.


In addition to what I wrote above, we, like everyone else, are driven by
client behaviors and available technologies.  So let's talk about
numbers for a minute.

As of this March, 86% of our orders are being downloaded, and every time
we get new numbers that percentage goes up.  Of the remainder, the last
year I pulled numbers to break down DVD vs. tape, about 2/3 of orders
delivered on physical media were on DVD.  That was a couple of years
ago.  If I extrapolate the trend we saw then, that 1/3 of the remainder
is probably more like 1/6 today.

In other words, tape orders are dwindling, and not slowly.

At some point, we will almost certainly drop tape support for software
delivery.  It seems very likely to me that we simply will not be able to
justify replacing the tape drives in the distribution centers once our
current tape drives reach end of life.

I hope nobody finds this surprising.  We have, for example, discussed
this before in IBM-MAIN.

In a future without tape, if you do not have optical drives and cannot
connect to the Internet, you will need to take a laptop outside the
firewall, download your order, bring it back in, and upload it to your
z/OS system.  This is already supported and documented, and has been for
well over a decade now.




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Re: mainframe distribution

[ITschak Mugzach]

The numbers I have (for z/OS) from a big distro in the states talks about
3,500 in the North America. I believe the numbers are about 5,500-6,000.

ITschak

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Tomasz Rola  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 03:51:24AM -0500, Dejan Stamatovic wrote:
> > Just for the sake of anybody’s interest.
> >
> > There in Serbia (a small European market) we have:
> >
> > 4 z/OS installations
> >
> > 1 VSE installations
> >
> > Do not know whether this proves anybody's point but there it is!
>
> So, quick BOTEC (or rather, back of Lisp interpreter which is my desk
> calculator of choice), assuming 7 bln total population and 7.111mln
> for Serbia (from Wikipedia):
>
> 5]> (/ 70 (/ 7111024 4l0))
> 3937.548234965878332L0
>
> [6]> (/ 70 (/ 7111024 1l0))
> 984.387058741469583L0
>
> This gives about 4k z/OS and 1k VSE worldwide. Quite in agreement with
> estimation given few posts earlier by Phil Smith, if I recall
> correctly. However, I do not claim that my method is worth anything.
>
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>
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Re: mainframe distribution

[Tomasz Rola]

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 03:51:24AM -0500, Dejan Stamatovic wrote:
> Just for the sake of anybody’s interest.
> 
> There in Serbia (a small European market) we have:
> 
> 4 z/OS installations
> 
> 1 VSE installations 
> 
> Do not know whether this proves anybody's point but there it is! 

So, quick BOTEC (or rather, back of Lisp interpreter which is my desk
calculator of choice), assuming 7 bln total population and 7.111mln
for Serbia (from Wikipedia):

5]> (/ 70 (/ 7111024 4l0))
3937.548234965878332L0

[6]> (/ 70 (/ 7111024 1l0))
984.387058741469583L0

This gives about 4k z/OS and 1k VSE worldwide. Quite in agreement with
estimation given few posts earlier by Phil Smith, if I recall
correctly. However, I do not claim that my method is worth anything.

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** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
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** **
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VIO SDWA logrec records

[Pew, Curtis G]

Ever since our last IPL my daily logrec reports have contained hundreds of SDWA 
records that seem to point to a problem with VIO. There’s always a pair of 
records, and the first has a recordable extension that starts with “SC1CWASM - 
VIO CONTROL” and the second starts with “DF102VIO-JOURN”. I googled these 
strings but didn’t find anything useful. Has anyone seen anything like this, or 
have any idea where I might look for more information? These records are the 
only symptoms I’ve been able to discern that anything might be wrong; otherwise 
everything seems to be running normally.

I should mention that the operator performing the IPL forgot to shut anything 
down before going to the HMC and starting the IPL, so lots of things were 
running and didn’t get a chance to end gracefully.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

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Re: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Charles Mills]

I am no expert but does

// SET M3 = ''
...
Sheet_Name='Client '

Solve anything?

Charles


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Nims,Alva John (Al)
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: In-Stream Symbols and The Length

Recently we upgraded from z/OS 1.13 to z/OS 2.02 so that is why I am asking
this question so late in the game.



I have been working with using In-Stream Symbol substitution, I have been
waiting over 30 years for this!!!, but I digress, and I noticed a minor
annoyance/problem when some of my symbols get substituted and maybe I can
get some light shed on it.



I have a set of 4 symbols that I EXPORT:

//*    -> 4 digit Year.

// SET=2018

//* MM -> 2 digit Month

//MM   SET  MM='03'

//* M3Name -> 3 Charachter Month, 'JAN', 'FEB', 'MAR', 

//M3NAME   SET  M3NAME='MAR'

//* MNAME  -> Full Month Name.

//MNAMESET   MNAME='March'

One use is in an invocation of IKJEFT01 & SYSTSIN DD:
//SYSTSIN  DD   *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
BPXBATCH  SH rm '/u/ajnims/FTP Client '
Which substitutes the way I expect and want no blank spaces after 2018 & 03:
BPXBATCH  SH rm '/u/ajnims/FTP Client 2018-03.xls'

Now comes the fun part, in an invocation of SAS, it being SAS has nothing to
do with it, just that it is the tool I am using for this particular activity
and will explain the syntax.
Within the SAS program I use the ,  and  Symbols.
First use of a symbol:
WHERE=(MnthN = )
Which translates into:
WHERE=(MnthN = 03)
No spaces again.

Here is where I have a problem:
Sheet_Name='Client  '
I get:
Sheet_Name='Client MAR  2018'
See all those spaces between "MAR" and "2018"?  It looks like the length is
defined by the symbol name plus the "&." Characters, but why did I not get
that with the  And ?

I also have:
Title "FTP Client Connections for the Month of  "; Which gives
me:
Title "FTP Client Connections for the Month of March   2018";

Maybe the fix is to make  be just  Or something like that, 3
characters for the symbol name, but going to have a problem with the full
month name.

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer III
UF Information Technology
East Campus
P.O. Box 112050
Gainesville, FL. 32611
(e) ajn...@ufl.edu
(p) (352) 273-1298


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In-Stream Symbols and The Length

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

Recently we upgraded from z/OS 1.13 to z/OS 2.02 so that is why I am asking 
this question so late in the game.



I have been working with using In-Stream Symbol substitution, I have been 
waiting over 30 years for this!!!, but I digress, and I noticed a minor 
annoyance/problem when some of my symbols get substituted and maybe I can get 
some light shed on it.



I have a set of 4 symbols that I EXPORT:

//*    -> 4 digit Year.

// SET=2018

//* MM -> 2 digit Month

//MM   SET  MM='03'

//* M3Name -> 3 Charachter Month, 'JAN', 'FEB', 'MAR', 

//M3NAME   SET  M3NAME='MAR'

//* MNAME  -> Full Month Name.

//MNAMESET   MNAME='March'

One use is in an invocation of IKJEFT01 & SYSTSIN DD:
//SYSTSIN  DD   *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
BPXBATCH  SH rm '/u/ajnims/FTP Client '
Which substitutes the way I expect and want no blank spaces after 2018 & 03:
BPXBATCH  SH rm '/u/ajnims/FTP Client 2018-03.xls'

Now comes the fun part, in an invocation of SAS, it being SAS has nothing to do 
with it, just that it is the tool I am using for this particular activity and 
will explain the syntax.
Within the SAS program I use the ,  and  Symbols.
First use of a symbol:
WHERE=(MnthN = )
Which translates into:
WHERE=(MnthN = 03)
No spaces again.

Here is where I have a problem:
Sheet_Name='Client  '
I get:
Sheet_Name='Client MAR  2018'
See all those spaces between "MAR" and "2018"?  It looks like the length is 
defined by the symbol name plus the "&." Characters, but why did I not get that 
with the  And ?

I also have:
Title "FTP Client Connections for the Month of  ";
Which gives me:
Title "FTP Client Connections for the Month of March   2018";

Maybe the fix is to make  be just  Or something like that, 3 
characters for the symbol name, but going to have a problem with the full month 
name.

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer III
UF Information Technology
East Campus
P.O. Box 112050
Gainesville, FL. 32611
(e) ajn...@ufl.edu
(p) (352) 273-1298


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Re: Graph database on z/OS?

[David Crayford]

On 26/03/2018 9:11 PM, John McKown wrote:

That's pretty much the same security model for all the NoSQL data bases
I've come across. Redis, MongoDB, Aerospike etc. In theory the database
servers should
be behind a firewall and secured but the reality can be quite shocking
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/09/mongodb/.

​So NoSQL implies NoSecurity as well. And the "webbies" think this is
acceptable? I don't know whether to laugh (as the house implodes) or cry
(as my money disappears).​



I think the general ROT for those kind of systems is that the network 
defines security. All back-end services should be hidden behind firewalls
and not accessible to the outside world. It's a different world these 
days where everything seems to run on docker images orchestrated by 
something like kuebernetes and
secured by LDAP or whatever. Nobody dishes out userids unless you need 
admin.







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Re: Graph database on z/OS?

[John McKown]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 1:49 AM, David Crayford  wrote:

> On 26/03/2018 6:58 AM, John McKown wrote:
>
>> ​Well, my analysis of the files (using the Linux "file") command seems to
>> bear out that this is a "pure Java" implementation. I could never the the
>> Maven project to run to completion. Oh, Maven is a "make" for Java​
>> projects.
>>
>
> Maven is a bit more than just a build tool as it's also a package manager.
> It's showing its age a bit now as you can probably tell from the fact is
> uses XML.
> It's quite extraordinary just how massive the Java ecosystem is! There are
> 225,964 unique artifacts indexed on Maven central!!
>
> But I did find a Linux repository which worked on my Linux/Intel
>> Fedora system (see below). This came with all the files that I needed to
>> get the database server started. For the Community version, there
>> basically
>> isn't much security. All you can do is allow access by creating an ID and
>> password. There is no way to "grant" any authorities, so everybody who is
>> defined to the system can do what they want with the data. {shudder}.
>>
>
> That's pretty much the same security model for all the NoSQL data bases
> I've come across. Redis, MongoDB, Aerospike etc. In theory the database
> servers should
> be behind a firewall and secured but the reality can be quite shocking
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/09/mongodb/.


​So NoSQL implies NoSecurity as well. And the "webbies" think this is
acceptable? I don't know whether to laugh (as the house implodes) or cry
(as my money disappears).​



>
>
> Another {shudder}, at least for me, is that the design is "one graph
>> (database) per server". This has been complained about for years now and
>> is
>> still a restriction. Of course, since you can have a ginormous graph
>> database, this is more a backup / recovery concern than a size concern.
>>
>
>
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I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't prove
it.

Maranatha! <><
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Re: FW: Linux (zLinux) on zSeries

[Jantje.]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 00:18:56 -0500, Munif Sadek  wrote:
>Req: TYPE A   
>Rsp: 200 Representation type is Ascii NonPrint
>Req: NLST /software/RHEL/generic.ins/.
>Rsp: 550 No data sets found.  
>
>But I can assure you DataSet or unix file generic.ins is there. May someone 
>help Please? 
>
>regards
>Prabhat
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FTP_commands :

NLST  Returns a list of file names in a specified directory. 

But it looks to me you have specified a file instead of the directory. I 
suggest you go over the parameters again; there is probably a field in which 
you have entered too much data.

Cheers,

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Re: Graph database on z/OS?

[David Crayford]

On 26/03/2018 6:58 AM, John McKown wrote:

​Well, my analysis of the files (using the Linux "file") command seems to
bear out that this is a "pure Java" implementation. I could never the the
Maven project to run to completion. Oh, Maven is a "make" for Java​
projects.


Maven is a bit more than just a build tool as it's also a package 
manager. It's showing its age a bit now as you can probably tell from 
the fact is uses XML.
It's quite extraordinary just how massive the Java ecosystem is! There 
are 225,964 unique artifacts indexed on Maven central!!



But I did find a Linux repository which worked on my Linux/Intel
Fedora system (see below). This came with all the files that I needed to
get the database server started. For the Community version, there basically
isn't much security. All you can do is allow access by creating an ID and
password. There is no way to "grant" any authorities, so everybody who is
defined to the system can do what they want with the data. {shudder}.


That's pretty much the same security model for all the NoSQL data bases 
I've come across. Redis, MongoDB, Aerospike etc. In theory the database 
servers should
be behind a firewall and secured but the reality can be quite shocking 
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/09/mongodb/.



Another {shudder}, at least for me, is that the design is "one graph
(database) per server". This has been complained about for years now and is
still a restriction. Of course, since you can have a ginormous graph
database, this is more a backup / recovery concern than a size concern.



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