Re: PPFA

[Alan Altmark]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 20:27:03 -0600, Roger Bolan  wrote:
>As Salva said the logo itself is likely a page segment.  If you browse the
>AFP resource itself, it probably has some lines at the top that will
>identify the tool that made it.  It sounds like to change the logo, they
>would change the image, replace the page segment member with the new logo
>with the same name, and then you might not need to change overlay, pagedef,
>or formdef at all.
>If the user has IBM support contracts to allow for support for usage or
>"how to" questions, the best thing would be to open a case so IBM can help
>with access to the data.
>
>If he can't determine or use the original tool for some reason, he could
>try downloading the AFP Printer Driver from this web site:
>https://dl.ricohsoftware.com/downloads/aa9a248e-101c-4aa6-b109-1cf7403f3b4f
>
>Yes, that's a Ricoh site.  The old IBM Printing Systems Division is part of
>Ricoh nowadays.
>With that printer driver you can configure to "print" any image on Windows
>into an AFP page segment.
>
>Then the binary page segment file can be uploaded to z/OS.  If it needs to
>go into an MVS library you can use AFRREBLK (part of PSF) to turn the file
>into a library member.

Hi, Roger.  Thanks, everyone.  The OGL reference put me on the right track 
(overlay referenced by FORMDEF points to a SEGMENT that sits in the mystical 
AFP Resource Library).   I eventually tripped over the AFP Print driver and 
found that the AFP Workbench Viewer was the way to generate a new PSEG.

This was all really really vague in the books with respect to getting things 
into an "AFP resource library".   There was no googleable answer to the 
question of "How to get a JPEG into a PSF overlay?"  

While researching, it sent me down memory lane to when I was doing PSF/VM 
testing and working with the dev team in Boulder.  PSF is what persuaded me to 
leave VM code development in the late 1980s and move into VM System Test for 12 
years.  Last year I tried to see if I could re-establish contact my old PSF/VM 
test environment, but there was nothing but faint echoes and cobwebs where code 
and configuration files used to live, though I did find the SFCM and PDMREM1 
userids still extant after all this time.  (sniff)

Alan Altmark
z/VM Consultant
IBM Lab Services

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Re: SPF/SE.... out of business?

[CM Poncelet]

Sorry about that. My chart is from the last release of SPF/PC (4.0.7)
published on 11/30/94.

On 28/04/2021 15:15, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:59:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
>> CMS has CHARIN, CHAROUT, CHARS, LINEIN, LINEOUT, LINES AND STREAM.
>>
> Lately (sort of).  I suspect Poncelet posted an old chart; no citation.
>
> People don't talk about SAA much nowadays.
>
> What about not functions but keyword instructions?  Such as
>
> ADDRESS ... WITH 
>
> Is that ANSI?  SAA?
>
>> 
>> From: CM Poncelet 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 11:53 PM
>>
>> So too does CTC REXX:
>> Availability of Built-in Functions
>>  FunctionSAA   COW   CMS   CTC
>> ...
> -- gil
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Re: PPFA

[Roger Bolan]

As Salva said the logo itself is likely a page segment.  If you browse the
AFP resource itself, it probably has some lines at the top that will
identify the tool that made it.  It sounds like to change the logo, they
would change the image, replace the page segment member with the new logo
with the same name, and then you might not need to change overlay, pagedef,
or formdef at all.
If the user has IBM support contracts to allow for support for usage or
"how to" questions, the best thing would be to open a case so IBM can help
with access to the data.

If he can't determine or use the original tool for some reason, he could
try downloading the AFP Printer Driver from this web site:
https://dl.ricohsoftware.com/downloads/aa9a248e-101c-4aa6-b109-1cf7403f3b4f

Yes, that's a Ricoh site.  The old IBM Printing Systems Division is part of
Ricoh nowadays.
With that printer driver you can configure to "print" any image on Windows
into an AFP page segment.

Then the binary page segment file can be uploaded to z/OS.  If it needs to
go into an MVS library you can use AFRREBLK (part of PSF) to turn the file
into a library member.

--Roger

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 11:10 AM Alan Altmark 
wrote:

> Asking for a friend who has been tasked to change the logo that is printed
> on the reports being generated by Infoprint on z/OS.  They have a PAGEDEF
> and FORMDEF that contains the logo, but the person who originally set that
> up is long gone.   He has familiarity with Infoprint and how to get the
> reports generated and all that, but not with how the xDEFs are created.
>
> My instincts (as someone who did a lot of PSF-related stuff back in the
> late 80s) is that this was the job of PPFA.   You could upload a JPG,
> one-page PDF, or GIF (or whatever), and tell PPFA to build the PAGEDEF and
> FORMDEF for it.   Blah blah blah  blah blah
> blah.  Right.
>
> My familiarity with PSF was restricted almost entirely to VM, and that
> back to the late 80s when I was doing PSF/VM testing on a new release of
> VM.   I think I may have used PPFA exactly once during that time.
>
> If it *is* PPFA that deals with this, and assuming the source files for
> the current pagedef/formdef are still extant, what kinds of files should he
> be looking for and where would they most likely be?  If the files aren't
> there, can PPFA read in the existing DEF objects so that he can modify
> them without starting from the very beginning?
>
> Yes, I could tell him to RTFMs, but there's a lot of FMs to R and I'd like
> to point him in the right direction so he can start digging.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Alan Altmark
> z/VM Consultant
> IBM Lab Services
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Re: SPF/SE.... out of business?

[CM Poncelet]

So too does CTC REXX:
 

Table 3. Comparison of Built-in Functions
 
 Availability of Built-in Functions
 
  Function    SAA   COW   CMS   CTC

 ABBREV    x x x x
 ABS   x x x x
 ADDRESS   x x x x
 ARG   x x x x
 BITAND    x x x x
 BITOR x x x x
 BITXOR    x x x x
 B2X   x - - x
 CENTER    x x x x
 CHARIN    x x - x
 CHAROUT   x x - x
 CHARS x x - x
 

 

On 28/04/2021 14:59, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> CMS has CHARIN, CHAROUT, CHARS, LINEIN, LINEOUT, LINES AND STREAM.
>
>
> --
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> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> CM Poncelet [ponce...@bcs.org.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 11:53 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SPF/SE out of business?
>
> So too does CTC REXX:
>
>  Availability of Built-in Functions
>
>   FunctionSAA   COW   CMS   CTC
>  C2X   x x x x
>  DATATYPE  x x x x
>  DATE  x x x x
>  DELSTRx x x x
>  DELWORD   x x x x
>  DIGITSx x x x
>  D2C   x x x x
>  D2X   x x x x
>  ERRORTEXT x x x x
>  FORM  x x x x
>  FORMATx x x x
>  FUZZ  x x x x
>  INSERTx x x x
>  LASTPOS   x x x x
>  LEFT  x x x x
>  LENGTHx x x x
>  LINEINx x - x
>  LINEOUT   x x - x
>  LINES x x - x
>  MAX   x x x x
>  MIN   x x x x
>  OVERLAY   x x x x
>  POS   x x x x
>  QUEUEDx x x x
>  RANDOMx x x x
>  REVERSE   x x x x
>  RIGHT x x x x
>  SIGN  x x x x
>  SOURCELINEx x x x
>  SPACE x x x x
>  STREAMx - - x <===
>  STRIP x x x x
>  SUBSTRx x x x
>  SUBWORD   x x x x
>  SYMBOLx x x x
>  TIME  x x x x
>  TRACE x x x x
>  TRANSLATE x x x x
>  TRUNC x x x x
>  VALUE x x x x
>  VERIFYx x x x
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> On 28/04/2021 03:46, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> On 2021-04-27, at 19:53:31, CM Poncelet wrote:
>>> Shared variable pools - as in VPUT/VGET  SHARED - are supported.
>>>
>>> CTC's SPF/PC REXX supports Mike Cowlishaw's definition, as in his "The
>>> REXX Language".
>>>
>>> Table 3. Comparison of Built-in Functions
>>>
>>>
>>>  Availability of Built-in Functions
>>>   FunctionSAA   COW   CMS   CTC
>>>  ...
>>>  CHARINx x - x
>>>  CHAROUT   x x - x
>>>  CHARS x x - x
>>>
>> CMS is better than that.  It supports the STREAM family of functions.
>> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zvm/7.1?topic=functions-stream
>>>  
>> -- gil
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Re: SFTP jcl with proxy server

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:24:56 -0500, Bill Giannelli  wrote:

>How do specify a proxy server in JCL for SFTP executing BPXBATCH?
>
From: https://gist.github.com/yougg/5d2b3353fc5e197a0917aae0b3287d64

set ssh proxy environment variables
https://gist.github.com/yougg/5d2b3353fc5e197a0917aae0b3287d64#set-ssh-proxy-environment-variables

Perhaps in //STDENV

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SFTP jcl with proxy server

[Bill Giannelli]

How do specify a proxy server in JCL for SFTP executing BPXBATCH?
thanks
Bill

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Re: [External] Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

[Pommier, Rex]

I'm seeing the same thing Gil is on Firefox 88.  Everything looks to be the 
same except the HTTPS version has empty tables underneath the 2 headings like 
Gil mentioned.


Rex

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 2:44 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 15:20:06 -0400, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

>First one  works on  Chrome on a Mac
>
On   System Version:macOS 10.14.6 (18G9028)
Google Chrome is up to date
Version 90.0.4430.93 (Official Build) (x86_64)

https://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm

I see the same empty page.  OK; not entirely blank; a header, a sidebar, and:
CBT V502 pre-release Updates - last update - Apr 27, 2021
CBT Overflow Tape pre-release Updates


>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:01:37 -0400, Sam Golob wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is now a new ISPF dialog which makes it much easier to 
>>> find and download materials from the CBT Tape.  The dialog is called 
>>> CBTVIEW, and it can be found on File 043 of the Updates Page of the 
>>> CBT Tape (www.cbttape.org/updates.htm).
>>> 
>> Interesting.  If I paste that address in a Firefox URL window, it opens
>>https://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm
>> which is an empty page.  If I click on it in a Mail viewer, it opens
>>http://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm
>> Which appears to have the intended content.
>> 
>> It's probably best to include the scheme when posting a URL.  And 
>> many sites nowadays redirect any http address to https.

-- gil

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Re: And the survey says...

[Billy Ashton]

Does Vista have the ability to only use one taskbar icon, and stack all 
the sessions as tabs within that one instance? I often have a number of 
sessions open, and would rather have one icon than bunches (especially 
since I can use a toolbar button to swap sessions).


Here's hopin'!
Billy

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Subject: Re: And the survey says...


I've used only Vista since the day long ago when Tom asked me to try out this 
new app he had written. Even though Attachmate remains the corporate standard 
(with no input from actual mainframe users). I've seen IBMers giving classes 
and demos using Vista.

Interestingly, Tom himself always had Attachmate at the ready on his 
workstation when I couldn't be bothered. His reasoning: since it was the 
corporate standard, he needed to able to handle problem calls.

.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 15:20:06 -0400, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

>First one  works on  Chrome on a Mac
>
On   System Version:macOS 10.14.6 (18G9028)
Google Chrome is up to date
Version 90.0.4430.93 (Official Build) (x86_64)

https://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm

I see the same empty page.  OK; not entirely blank; a header,
a sidebar, and:
CBT V502 pre-release Updates - last update - Apr 27, 2021
CBT Overflow Tape pre-release Updates


>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:01:37 -0400, Sam Golob wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is now a new ISPF dialog which makes it much easier to find
>>> and download materials from the CBT Tape.  The dialog is called CBTVIEW,
>>> and it can be found on File 043 of the Updates Page of the CBT Tape
>>> (www.cbttape.org/updates.htm).
>>> 
>> Interesting.  If I paste that address in a Firefox URL window, it opens
>>https://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm
>> which is an empty page.  If I click on it in a Mail viewer, it opens
>>http://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm
>> Which appears to have the intended content.
>> 
>> It's probably best to include the scheme when posting a URL.  And
>> many sites nowadays redirect any http address to https.

-- gil

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Re: How to specify logical SYSLIB when linking with xclang++ under uss

[Richard Way]

I don't know how the xclang++ line got mangled, but it's really just one line - 
NOT three invocations of xclang++!

Guessing it's something about the ++ and the listserv, let's try it again 
substituting "FRED" for "xclang++"

FRED -v -Wl,MAP,LIST=ALL,XREF -obin/zprotect obj/zprotect/zprotect.cpp.o 
lib/libsapi.a lib/libvtk-core.a /usr/lib/GSKCMS64.x /usr/lib/GSKSSL64.x

Rich Way

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Subject: How to specify logical SYSLIB when linking with xclang++ under uss

I am having a problem using xlclang++ to link my program on uss. I have 
unresolved references, but I actually know where the modules that are needed 
are located - I am just unable to express that information to the binder.
As an example, CSNERNG is located in "CSF.SCSFMOD0", but isn't found because 
the default SYSLIB is just the concatenation of CEE.SCEEBND2 with SYS1.CSSLIB.  
I need to logically add CSF.SCSFMOD0 to that concatenation.

I discovered that with the '-v' switch, I can get xlclang++ to emit both the 
pseudo-JCL it would use and the "export"s of environment variables, and, from 
that output, I discovered that the variable _CXX_L6SYSLIB is what I supposedly 
need to set - but setting it and exporting it prior to issuing my make command 
doesn't have any effect - the unresolved reference still occurs, and the 
generated pseudo-JCL does not include my addition to the concatenation. (BTW 
the Unix System Services Command Reference confirms that _CXX_L6SYSLIB is the 
correct variable for an lp64 invocation.)

The command that I am using for the link is:
xlclang++ -v  -Wl,MAP,LIST=ALL,XREF -obin/zprotect 
xlclang++ obj/zprotect/zprotect.cpp.o lib/libsapi.a lib/libvtk-core.a 
xlclang++ /usr/lib/GSKCMS64.x /usr/lib/GSKSSL64.x

The export I am doing first is:
export _CXX_L6SYSLIB=CEE.SCEEBND2:SYS1.CSSLIB:CSF.SCSFMOD0

and yet my generated pseudo-JCL is still:
...
//LINKEDIT  EXEC  PGM=LINKEDIT,
//  PARM='AMODE=64,TERM=YES,
//  DYNAM=DLL,ALIASES=NO,UPCASE=NO,
//  LIST=OFF,MAP=NO,XREF=NO,INFO=NO,MSGLEVEL=4,
//  REUS=RENT,EDIT=YES,AC=0,CALL=YES,CASE=MIXED
//  ,MAP,LIST=ALL,XREF
//  ,LP64'
//SYSLIB   DD  DSN='CEE.SCEEBND2',DISP=SHR,DCB=DSORG=DIR
// DD  DSN='SYS1.CSSLIB',DISP=SHR,DCB=DSORG=DIR   <==note missing 
CSF.SCSFMOD0 concatenation attempt here.
...

Any thoughts or ideas on what I could try next?

Thanks

Rich Way, CISSP
Security Lead, Voltage Portfolio
Micro Focus
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Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

[Matt Hogstrom]

First one  works on  Chrome on a Mac

Matt Hogstrom
m...@hogstrom.org
+1-919-656-0564
PGP Key: 0x90ECB270

I just read a book on Stockholm Syndrome,
it was pretty bad at first, but, by the end I kind of liked it.

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Paul Gilmartin 
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:01:37 -0400, Sam Golob wrote:
>> 
>> There is now a new ISPF dialog which makes it much easier to find
>> and download materials from the CBT Tape.  The dialog is called CBTVIEW,
>> and it can be found on File 043 of the Updates Page of the CBT Tape
>> (www.cbttape.org/updates.htm).
>> 
> Interesting.  If I paste that address in a Firefox URL window, it opens
>https://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm
> which is an empty page.  If I click on it in a Mail viewer, it opens
>http://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm
> Which appears to have the intended content.
> 
> It's probably best to include the scheme when posting a URL.  And
> many sites nowadays redirect any http address to https.
> 
> -- gil
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Re: And the survey says...

[Mike Schwab]

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/color-vision-deficiency/
Sounds like Blue color deficiency (1 in 10,000 M/F) and not blue /
yellow color blindness.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 12:53 AM Robert Prins  wrote:
>
> On 2021-04-28 04:19, Tom Brennan wrote:
> > Blue color:  I've never been able to see blue (0,0,255) very well, so it 
> > might
> > be more than just getting old.  I would watch other people having no trouble
> > reading their blue text while I struggled.
>
> Also have severe trouble with the "blue" "blue", my "blue" on Vista is 
> 120,144,240
>
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Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:01:37 -0400, Sam Golob wrote:
>
>     There is now a new ISPF dialog which makes it much easier to find
>and download materials from the CBT Tape.  The dialog is called CBTVIEW,
>and it can be found on File 043 of the Updates Page of the CBT Tape
>(www.cbttape.org/updates.htm).
>
Interesting.  If I paste that address in a Firefox URL window, it opens
https://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm
which is an empty page.  If I click on it in a Mail viewer, it opens
http://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm
Which appears to have the intended content.

It's probably best to include the scheme when posting a URL.  And
many sites nowadays redirect any http address to https.

-- gil

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How to specify logical SYSLIB when linking with xclang++ under uss

[Richard Way]

I am having a problem using xlclang++ to link my program on uss. I have 
unresolved references, but I actually know where the modules that are needed 
are located - I am just unable to express that information to the binder.
As an example, CSNERNG is located in "CSF.SCSFMOD0", but isn't found because 
the default SYSLIB is just the concatenation of CEE.SCEEBND2 with SYS1.CSSLIB.  
I need to logically add CSF.SCSFMOD0 to that concatenation.

I discovered that with the '-v' switch, I can get xlclang++ to emit both the 
pseudo-JCL it would use and the "export"s of environment variables, and, from 
that output, I discovered that the variable _CXX_L6SYSLIB is what I supposedly 
need to set - but setting it and exporting it prior to issuing my make command 
doesn't have any effect - the unresolved reference still occurs, and the 
generated pseudo-JCL does not include my addition to the concatenation. (BTW 
the Unix System Services Command Reference confirms that _CXX_L6SYSLIB is the 
correct variable for an lp64 invocation.)

The command that I am using for the link is:
xlclang++ -v  -Wl,MAP,LIST=ALL,XREF -obin/zprotect obj/zprotect/zprotect.cpp.o 
lib/libsapi.a lib/libvtk-core.a /usr/lib/GSKCMS64.x /usr/lib/GSKSSL64.x

The export I am doing first is:
export _CXX_L6SYSLIB=CEE.SCEEBND2:SYS1.CSSLIB:CSF.SCSFMOD0

and yet my generated pseudo-JCL is still:
...
//LINKEDIT  EXEC  PGM=LINKEDIT,
//  PARM='AMODE=64,TERM=YES,
//  DYNAM=DLL,ALIASES=NO,UPCASE=NO,
//  LIST=OFF,MAP=NO,XREF=NO,INFO=NO,MSGLEVEL=4,
//  REUS=RENT,EDIT=YES,AC=0,CALL=YES,CASE=MIXED
//  ,MAP,LIST=ALL,XREF
//  ,LP64'
//SYSLIB   DD  DSN='CEE.SCEEBND2',DISP=SHR,DCB=DSORG=DIR
// DD  DSN='SYS1.CSSLIB',DISP=SHR,DCB=DSORG=DIR   <==note missing 
CSF.SCSFMOD0 concatenation attempt here.
...

Any thoughts or ideas on what I could try next?

Thanks

Rich Way, CISSP
Security Lead, Voltage Portfolio
Micro Focus
4555 Great America Parkway
Santa Clara, CA 95054
+1 408 857 0216
richard@microfocus.com

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Re: SPF/SE.... out of business?

[Seymour J Metz]

The extensions to ADDRESS are ANSI.


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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:59:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>CMS has CHARIN, CHAROUT, CHARS, LINEIN, LINEOUT, LINES AND STREAM.
>
Lately (sort of).  I suspect Poncelet posted an old chart; no citation.

People don't talk about SAA much nowadays.

What about not functions but keyword instructions?  Such as

ADDRESS ... WITH 

Is that ANSI?  SAA?

>
>From: CM Poncelet
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 11:53 PM
>
>So too does CTC REXX:
> Availability of Built-in Functions
>  FunctionSAA   COW   CMS   CTC
> ...

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Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

[Tom Conley]

On 4/28/2021 2:02 PM, Sam Golob wrote:

Dear Folks,

     There is now a new ISPF dialog which makes it much easier to find 
and download materials from the CBT Tape.  The dialog is called CBTVIEW, 
and it can be found on File 043 of the Updates Page of the CBT Tape 
(www.cbttape.org/updates.htm).


     When this dialog is working, almost every suggestion on how to 
EASILY find and obtain a CBT File, which hadn't been implemented (until 
now), has been implemented.  Searching and sorting is easy, getting the 
new updates is easy, and looking at the files is easy.  The dialog also 
works for the CBT Overflow Tape, which alone has 315 additional files.




FYI,

I can echo Sam's sentiments, as I beta tested this dialog.  It unlocks 
the CBTTape like nothing before it.  It greatly simplifies the process 
of getting CBT content and loading it on your system.  Enjoy!


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

[Sam Golob]

Dear Folks,

    There is now a new ISPF dialog which makes it much easier to find 
and download materials from the CBT Tape.  The dialog is called CBTVIEW, 
and it can be found on File 043 of the Updates Page of the CBT Tape 
(www.cbttape.org/updates.htm).


    When this dialog is working, almost every suggestion on how to 
EASILY find and obtain a CBT File, which hadn't been implemented (until 
now), has been implemented.  Searching and sorting is easy, getting the 
new updates is easy, and looking at the files is easy.  The dialog also 
works for the CBT Overflow Tape, which alone has 315 additional files.


    Use it well..

    All the best of everything to all of you.

Sincerely,    Sam


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Re: MQ For z/os

[Steely.Mark]

Thanks for the response - I do have a question about the backwards migration 
PTF. I found conflicting documentation that this is required:

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.1?topic=tasks-backward-migration-earlier-supported-releases-mq-zos
The backward migration APARs are PI95928 for IBM MQ 8.0.0, and PI95939 for IBM 
MQ 9.0.0.

This was documentation for reverting back from 9.1.   But I seemed to recall 
this same statement from reverting back from 9.2.   
Also found documentation that states nothing needs to be done for backwards 
compatibility from 9.2. 

I also found this:

Backwards migration is normally only performed immediately after a migration 
fails for some reason. 
However, it is possible to perform backwards migration at any time if the 
CSQY039I message is output at queue manager start up.

If a queue manager issues the CSQY040I message at start up, backwards migration 
is not supported, and the procedure described in the following text is not 
applicable.
If you have a back up of the queue manager data, prior to the migration, you 
could use that data to start the queue manager up at the earlier release.

I assume these messages are displayed during start of MQ 9.2 because I don’t 
see these messages in the startup of MQ 9.0. 

Is this correct ?

Thank You 

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Mark,

Backwards migration is supported between LTS releases (i.e. 9.0.0, 9.1.0, 
9.2.0), so it's not correct that the upgrade process is not reversible, unless 
the question is about a CD release.

IBM always suggested being up-to-date with all maintenance before migrating to 
a new release. The backwards migration process has changed in 9.2, and there is 
no need to apply a specific backwards migration PTF before migrating. The 
backwards migration process in 9.2 is documented here:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.2?topic=92-reverting-queue-manager-previous-version-zos
.

All the MQ on z/OS migration information is documented under this topic:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.2?topic=mq-migrating-zos


The question about backing up your page sets and logs is an interesting one.

If you backed up your page sets, and restored a pageset,  (and did not restore 
your logs from backup) then when you restart the queue manager it would replay 
the logs and bring the restored page set(s) up to date.

If you back them up, go to the next release, run for a day and then decide to 
use your backups of page sets AND LOGS ( so your logs now do not have any 
updates since the backup) This causes problems like Messages which had been in 
the system, and processed - now appear again (from the backup) - so where the 
message said "PAY COLIN $100" would get processed twice.
Any new messages which were not processed before shutting down and restoring 
would be overwritten by the restore.
Any channels going to other queue managers which had sent messages, will get 
sequence number mismatches and you will have to reset the channels.

So the lesson is, you can ( and should backup) your pages sets, but *do not try 
to restore the logs from backups* except under IBM's guidance.
(As a good sysprog you will have tested the backup and restore of a page set - 
and have JCL already written to do this!)

regards

Colin





If you were on LTS, you could go from 9.0 to 9.1 and back to 9.0 without losing 
any messages.






On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 16:52, Steely.Mark  wrote:

> Has anyone upgraded from MQ 9.0 to 9.2 ?
>
> Is there any PTF's that need to be applied to 9.0 before going to 9.2.
> This is the only thing I have found:
>
> While at MQ 9.0, take a full backup of the queue managers. Why? 
> Because the upgrade process is NOT reversible. If you need to revert 
> back from MQ
> 9.1 to 9.0, then you must delete the queue managers and restore the 
> backup taken at MQ 9.0.
>
> I know this statement is talking about 9.1 but I think it would also 
> relate going to 9.2.
>
> Any information relating to upgrading MQ would be appreciated.
>
> Thank You
>
>
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Re: And the survey says...

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I've used only Vista since the day long ago when Tom asked me to try out this 
new app he had written. Even though Attachmate remains the corporate standard 
(with no input from actual mainframe users). I've seen IBMers giving classes 
and demos using Vista. 

Interestingly, Tom himself always had Attachmate at the ready on his 
workstation when I couldn't be bothered. His reasoning: since it was the 
corporate standard, he needed to able to handle problem calls.   

.
.
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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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The github for pw3270 is here:

https://github.com/PerryWerneck/pw3270

Safer than the government site Radoslaw posted, which my company's net nanny 
software prevented me from accessing because there are certificate problems.

Peter

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Advertisement:
Apart from x3270 family (wc3270, wx3270...) there is another *free* emulator.
It is pw3270
PW is Perry Werneck.
github.com/PerryWerneck/pw3270
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://softwarepublico.gov.br/social/pw3270/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!dpaA7q1qdSGtk8gMhBSNqPc1t_tsI6nwNUdS5YsYYDp7PetWBlyJPreC-fHXsIX6iFJ9nQ$

BTW: The last page is interesting - government official page with free software.

Of course I get 10% of purchase price ;-)

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Re: Shopz Order Server

[Carmen Vitullo]

Same here, my order has been downloaded and running the receive process  
thanks 
  
   
Carmen Vitullo 

   

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To: IBM-MAIN 
Date: Wednesday, 28 April 2021 10:42 AM CDT
Subject: Re: Shopz Order Server

I accessed it a few minutes ago just fine. 

I would suggest you check with your firewall security folks. 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 10:18 AM 
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Subject: Re: Shopz Order Server 

Keep getting following on both 

Forbidden 
You don't have permission to access /services/projects/ecc/ws/ on this server. 

IBM_HTTP_Server at eccgw02.rochester.ibm.com Port 443 


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Carmen, 

It's been happening a lot over the last year. I generally retry or use the 
alternate: 

url="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feccgw02.rochester.ibm.com%2Fservices%2Fprojects%2Fecc%2Fws%2F=04%7C01%7CRon.Wells%40OMF.COM%7C07395556c0894c01432d08d90a45b741%7C57c0053cb5f84a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82%7C0%7C0%7C637552116814308062%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=DwhB18FxPMoU6N%2B690iWATzsjTitxFqrDsBU%2B%2F5wvc4%3D=0;
 

Bob 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:54 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Shopz Order Server 

For 2 days I've been trying to receive recommended service and the order gets 
created but eventually times out. 
Did the order server address change? 
ORDERSERVER 

url="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feccgw01.boulder.ibm.com%2Fservices%2Fprojects%2Fecc%2Fws%2F=04%7C01%7CRon.Wells%40OMF.COM%7C07395556c0894c01432d08d90a45b741%7C57c0053cb5f84a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82%7C0%7C0%7C637552116814308062%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=eYU20j2bV62QWMsZIMe738D%2BA%2FYdQ17VTLOzXVozhCg%3D=0;
 

is there an issue with the site ? 
thanks 
Carmen 

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Re: And the survey says...

[W Mainframe]

Radoslaw,
The Brazilian government adopted this "open" solution due to high costs of 
TN3270 emulators availables in our country.It is a good option and has Rexx 
support for macros.
Dan


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On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 12:22 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 
<031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

The github for pw3270 is here:

https://github.com/PerryWerneck/pw3270

Safer than the government site Radoslaw posted, which my company's net nanny 
software prevented me from accessing because there are certificate problems.

Peter

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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Advertisement:
Apart from x3270 family (wc3270, wx3270...) there is another *free* emulator.
It is pw3270
PW is Perry Werneck.
github.com/PerryWerneck/pw3270
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://softwarepublico.gov.br/social/pw3270/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!dpaA7q1qdSGtk8gMhBSNqPc1t_tsI6nwNUdS5YsYYDp7PetWBlyJPreC-fHXsIX6iFJ9nQ$
 

BTW: The last page is interesting - government official page with free software.

Of course I get 10% of purchase price ;-)

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Re: Shopz Order Server

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

I accessed it a few minutes ago just fine.

I would suggest you check with your firewall security folks.

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Keep getting following on both

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /services/projects/ecc/ws/ on this server.

IBM_HTTP_Server at eccgw02.rochester.ibm.com Port 443


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Carmen,

It's been happening a lot over the last year. I generally retry or use the 
alternate:

url="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feccgw02.rochester.ibm.com%2Fservices%2Fprojects%2Fecc%2Fws%2Fdata=04%7C01%7CRon.Wells%40OMF.COM%7C07395556c0894c01432d08d90a45b741%7C57c0053cb5f84a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82%7C0%7C0%7C637552116814308062%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=DwhB18FxPMoU6N%2B690iWATzsjTitxFqrDsBU%2B%2F5wvc4%3Dreserved=0;

Bob

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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:54 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Shopz Order Server

For 2 days I've been trying to receive recommended service and the order gets 
created but eventually times out.
Did the order server address change?
ORDERSERVER

  
url="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feccgw01.boulder.ibm.com%2Fservices%2Fprojects%2Fecc%2Fws%2Fdata=04%7C01%7CRon.Wells%40OMF.COM%7C07395556c0894c01432d08d90a45b741%7C57c0053cb5f84a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82%7C0%7C0%7C637552116814308062%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=eYU20j2bV62QWMsZIMe738D%2BA%2FYdQ17VTLOzXVozhCg%3Dreserved=0;

is there an issue with the site ?
thanks
Carmen

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Re: And the survey says...

[Farley, Peter x23353]

The github for pw3270 is here:

https://github.com/PerryWerneck/pw3270

Safer than the government site Radoslaw posted, which my company's net nanny 
software prevented me from accessing because there are certificate problems.

Peter

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Advertisement:
Apart from x3270 family (wc3270, wx3270...) there is another *free* emulator.
It is pw3270
PW is Perry Werneck.
github.com/PerryWerneck/pw3270
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://softwarepublico.gov.br/social/pw3270/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!dpaA7q1qdSGtk8gMhBSNqPc1t_tsI6nwNUdS5YsYYDp7PetWBlyJPreC-fHXsIX6iFJ9nQ$
 

BTW: The last page is interesting - government official page with free software.

Of course I get 10% of purchase price ;-)

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Re: And the survey says...

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

Advertisement:
Apart from x3270 family (wc3270, wx3270...) there is another *free* 
emulator.

It is pw3270
PW is Perry Werneck.
github.com/PerryWerneck/pw3270
https://softwarepublico.gov.br/social/pw3270/

BTW: The last page is interesting - government official page with free 
software.


Of course I get 10% of purchase price ;-)

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Re: And the survey says...

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

W dniu 27.04.2021 o 17:37, Pommier, Rex pisze:

I don't think HOD is a freebie any more.  IIRC, it got bundled together with 
PCOMM and is now chargeable.

Rex


Confirmed.
PCOMM is bundled with HOD for approx. 10 years or more.

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Re: SPF/SE.... out of business?

[Phil Smith III]

Gil wrote, in part:

>Is that ANSI?  SAA?

 

Little-known fact: the SAA UI definition matches (almost?) 100% the original
Windows 95 (or was it 3.1?) UI definition. Of course, Microsoft has mostly
forgotten their own standards over the years, so this is a lot less relevant
than it used to be. (Teams is a particularly bad offender here.)

 

The point is, it was a de facto quasi-universal standard. Which was good, if
only because standards are often (not always) A Good Thing.


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TSO segment for a PROTECTED ID

[kekronbekron]

Hi All,

Will xpost to RACF-L too...
Will it be ok to create a TSO segment (without a logon PROC) for a batch ID 
that's PROTECTED?
That is, creating a TSO segment won't fudge with the PROTECTED status, in any 
way, right? By forcing it to a password or some such.

There's some functionality within a job step that's demanding that the batch ID 
have a TSO segment and have access to OPER profile in TSOAUTH class.

- KB

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Re: Shopz Order Server

[Ron Wells]

Keep getting following on both

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Carmen,

It's been happening a lot over the last year. I generally retry or use the 
alternate:

url="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feccgw02.rochester.ibm.com%2Fservices%2Fprojects%2Fecc%2Fws%2Fdata=04%7C01%7CRon.Wells%40OMF.COM%7C07395556c0894c01432d08d90a45b741%7C57c0053cb5f84a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82%7C0%7C0%7C637552116814308062%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=DwhB18FxPMoU6N%2B690iWATzsjTitxFqrDsBU%2B%2F5wvc4%3Dreserved=0;

Bob

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Subject: Shopz Order Server

For 2 days I've been trying to receive recommended service and the order gets 
created but eventually times out.
Did the order server address change?
ORDERSERVER

  
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is there an issue with the site ?
thanks
Carmen

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Re: SPF/SE.... out of business?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:59:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>CMS has CHARIN, CHAROUT, CHARS, LINEIN, LINEOUT, LINES AND STREAM.
>
Lately (sort of).  I suspect Poncelet posted an old chart; no citation.

People don't talk about SAA much nowadays.

What about not functions but keyword instructions?  Such as

ADDRESS ... WITH 

Is that ANSI?  SAA?

>
>From: CM Poncelet 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 11:53 PM
>
>So too does CTC REXX:
> Availability of Built-in Functions
>  FunctionSAA   COW   CMS   CTC
> ...

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Re: And the survey says...

[Seymour J Metz]

By native do you mean APA, or 2250 et al? The data streams manual does discuss 
APA. I don't know of any GGDM support for other than PSS and APA.

I checked bitsavers for 3179G and couldn't find it. If anybody still has the 
manual, please scan it. Thanks.


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On 28/04/2021 2:33 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> GDDM and PGF are the primary programs for 3270 graphics. I don't know whether 
> SAS Graph requires GDDM.

Well, I've coded programmed symbols and I've coded some native vector
graphics, but I don't know the protocols to code PC-LINK graphics. I
gather the latter is where the host offloads more of the work to the
workstation.

The spec for programmed symbols is documented in the 3270 Data Stream
Programmer's Reference, but for the other two you'd probably need to do
a VTAM trace of GDDM terminal I/O to figure out.

Native vector graphics used to be documented in the 3179G book, but that
disappeared after the 3179G was discontinued. (If anyone has one they'd
like to sell then please let me know.) I'd say it is very close to the
codes that GDDM uses itself internally.

If you have a 3270 graphics application that could be made to work with
GDDM then I'd recommend you do so because then you can let GDDM figure
out which graphics protocol to use for any given terminal and how to
convert your requests to the appropriate data stream orders.  I would
guess that SAS Graph would call GDDM, but that's just a guess.

I've "assisted" (badgered?) two TN3270 client authors in adding
programmed symbol graphics support to their products (really just
clarified the spec and provided testing feedback). One decided the
potential for support cases wasn't worth the effort/risk, and the other
(Nexus Terminal) has retained it in the product.

As someone said, Nexus is very fast, and the support is very responsive
to customers.

(Disclaimer: Both TN3270 client authors generously waived the fee to
allow me to use their products, both of which are of excellent quality.)

The REVIEW command (available from CBT and elsewhere - release 50 should
be coming out soon) has some code to render bitmaps (.BMP, .PCX, .GIF)
on 3270 graphics screens (LPS and native vector graphics only) without
using GDDM.  (GDDM will be called for PC-LINK.) Don't expect true-color
rendering. Haven't tested large pictures lately, but small ones work
pretty well AFAICT.

Cheers,
Greg

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Re: And the survey says...

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Apr 27, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Allan Staller 
<0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> What 3270 emulator are you using?
> 

We use ZOC, and I’ve been very happy with it. I don’t use Windows, so many of 
the options aren’t available for me. I’ve used x3270 too, but it isn’t as 
Mac-like as ZOC.

We recently installed Virtel, which is a browser-based (HTTPS) server that runs 
on z/OS. For new users we now point them at that rather than install something 
on their desktop or laptop.


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Re: SPF/SE.... out of business?

[Seymour J Metz]

CMS has CHARIN, CHAROUT, CHARS, LINEIN, LINEOUT, LINES AND STREAM.


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So too does CTC REXX:

 Availability of Built-in Functions

  FunctionSAA   COW   CMS   CTC
 C2X   x x x x
 DATATYPE  x x x x
 DATE  x x x x
 DELSTRx x x x
 DELWORD   x x x x
 DIGITSx x x x
 D2C   x x x x
 D2X   x x x x
 ERRORTEXT x x x x
 FORM  x x x x
 FORMATx x x x
 FUZZ  x x x x
 INSERTx x x x
 LASTPOS   x x x x
 LEFT  x x x x
 LENGTHx x x x
 LINEINx x - x
 LINEOUT   x x - x
 LINES x x - x
 MAX   x x x x
 MIN   x x x x
 OVERLAY   x x x x
 POS   x x x x
 QUEUEDx x x x
 RANDOMx x x x
 REVERSE   x x x x
 RIGHT x x x x
 SIGN  x x x x
 SOURCELINEx x x x
 SPACE x x x x
 STREAMx - - x <===
 STRIP x x x x
 SUBSTRx x x x
 SUBWORD   x x x x
 SYMBOLx x x x
 TIME  x x x x
 TRACE x x x x
 TRANSLATE x x x x
 TRUNC x x x x
 VALUE x x x x
 VERIFYx x x x

Cheers.


On 28/04/2021 03:46, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On 2021-04-27, at 19:53:31, CM Poncelet wrote:
>> Shared variable pools - as in VPUT/VGET  SHARED - are supported.
>>
>> CTC's SPF/PC REXX supports Mike Cowlishaw's definition, as in his "The
>> REXX Language".
>>
>> Table 3. Comparison of Built-in Functions
>>
>>
>>  Availability of Built-in Functions
>>   FunctionSAA   COW   CMS   CTC
>>  ...
>>  CHARINx x - x
>>  CHAROUT   x x - x
>>  CHARS x x - x
>>
> CMS is better than that.  It supports the STREAM family of functions.
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zvm/7.1?topic=functions-stream
>>  
> -- gil
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Re: And the survey says...

[Greg Price]

On 28/04/2021 2:33 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:

GDDM and PGF are the primary programs for 3270 graphics. I don't know whether 
SAS Graph requires GDDM.


Well, I've coded programmed symbols and I've coded some native vector 
graphics, but I don't know the protocols to code PC-LINK graphics. I 
gather the latter is where the host offloads more of the work to the 
workstation.


The spec for programmed symbols is documented in the 3270 Data Stream 
Programmer's Reference, but for the other two you'd probably need to do 
a VTAM trace of GDDM terminal I/O to figure out.


Native vector graphics used to be documented in the 3179G book, but that 
disappeared after the 3179G was discontinued. (If anyone has one they'd 
like to sell then please let me know.) I'd say it is very close to the 
codes that GDDM uses itself internally.


If you have a 3270 graphics application that could be made to work with 
GDDM then I'd recommend you do so because then you can let GDDM figure 
out which graphics protocol to use for any given terminal and how to 
convert your requests to the appropriate data stream orders.  I would 
guess that SAS Graph would call GDDM, but that's just a guess.


I've "assisted" (badgered?) two TN3270 client authors in adding 
programmed symbol graphics support to their products (really just 
clarified the spec and provided testing feedback). One decided the 
potential for support cases wasn't worth the effort/risk, and the other 
(Nexus Terminal) has retained it in the product.


As someone said, Nexus is very fast, and the support is very responsive 
to customers.


(Disclaimer: Both TN3270 client authors generously waived the fee to 
allow me to use their products, both of which are of excellent quality.)


The REVIEW command (available from CBT and elsewhere - release 50 should 
be coming out soon) has some code to render bitmaps (.BMP, .PCX, .GIF) 
on 3270 graphics screens (LPS and native vector graphics only) without 
using GDDM.  (GDDM will be called for PC-LINK.) Don't expect true-color 
rendering. Haven't tested large pictures lately, but small ones work 
pretty well AFAICT.


Cheers,
Greg

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Re: Limiting REXX syscall to SLEEP only

[Itschak Mugzach]

Tried that with non auth user and it work

בתאריך יום ד׳, 28 באפר׳ 2021 ב-16:40 מאת David Crayford :

> getpwent requires SAF access or super user.
>
> > On 28 Apr 2021, at 9:24 pm, Itschak Mugzach <
> 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > getpwent But what about ?
> >
> > בתאריך יום ד׳, 28 באפר׳ 2021 ב-16:22 מאת Paul Gilmartin <
> > 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>:
> >
> >>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:32:12 +0300, Itschak Mugzach wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Have a look at getpwent. If I am not allowing a user to list RACF
> users,
> >>> why are they allowed to list it via this command using syscalls?
> >>>
> >> How much information could be gleaned by
> >>
> >>ls -li /u
> >>
> >> ???  Is it feasible and desirable to make /u (probably an automount
> >> directory) searchable but not readable?
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Re: Limiting REXX syscall to SLEEP only

[David Crayford]

getpwent requires SAF access or super user. 

> On 28 Apr 2021, at 9:24 pm, Itschak Mugzach 
> <0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> getpwent But what about ?
> 
> בתאריך יום ד׳, 28 באפר׳ 2021 ב-16:22 מאת Paul Gilmartin <
> 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>:
> 
>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:32:12 +0300, Itschak Mugzach wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have a look at getpwent. If I am not allowing a user to list RACF users,
>>> why are they allowed to list it via this command using syscalls?
>>> 
>> How much information could be gleaned by
>> 
>>ls -li /u
>> 
>> ???  Is it feasible and desirable to make /u (probably an automount
>> directory) searchable but not readable?
>> 
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Re: Limiting REXX syscall to SLEEP only

[Itschak Mugzach]

getpwent But what about ?

בתאריך יום ד׳, 28 באפר׳ 2021 ב-16:22 מאת Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>:

> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:32:12 +0300, Itschak Mugzach wrote:
>
> >Have a look at getpwent. If I am not allowing a user to list RACF users,
> >why are they allowed to list it via this command using syscalls?
> >
> How much information could be gleaned by
>
> ls -li /u
>
> ???  Is it feasible and desirable to make /u (probably an automount
> directory) searchable but not readable?
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Re: Limiting REXX syscall to SLEEP only

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:32:12 +0300, Itschak Mugzach wrote:

>Have a look at getpwent. If I am not allowing a user to list RACF users,
>why are they allowed to list it via this command using syscalls?
> 
How much information could be gleaned by

ls -li /u

???  Is it feasible and desirable to make /u (probably an automount
directory) searchable but not readable?

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Re: Shopz Order Server

[Carmen Vitullo]

AH! got ya Bob thanks for the other server name  
   
Carmen Vitullo 

   

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From: Robert <01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN 
Date: Wednesday, 28 April 2021 8:01 AM CDT
Subject: Re: Shopz Order Server

Carmen, 

It's been happening a lot over the last year. I generally retry or use the 
alternate: 

url="https://eccgw02.rochester.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/; 

Bob 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:54 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Shopz Order Server 

For 2 days I've been trying to receive recommended service and the order gets 
created but eventually times out. 
Did the order server address change? 
ORDERSERVER 

url="https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/; 

is there an issue with the site ? 
thanks 
Carmen 

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Re: Shopz Order Server

[Carmen Vitullo]

Just 5 mins after I posted the message the order is finally starting to 
download, hold data seems to download okh, I do this weekly, but recommended 
(RSU) service is what I was going after, thanks for checking ! 
  
   
Carmen Vitullo 

   

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From: Gadi 
To: IBM-MAIN 
Date: Wednesday, 28 April 2021 8:01 AM CDT
Subject: Re: Shopz Order Server

I just ran a job the receives HoldData. 
I ran just fine. 
Have you checked if there is a firewall or some other security issue? 

Gadi 

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Shopz Order Server 

For 2 days I've been trying to receive recommended service and the order gets 
created but eventually times out. 
Did the order server address change? 
ORDERSERVER 

url="https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/; 

is there an issue with the site ? 
thanks 
Carmen 

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Re: Shopz Order Server

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

Carmen,

It's been happening a lot over the last year. I generally retry or use the 
alternate:

url="https://eccgw02.rochester.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/;

Bob

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:54 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Shopz Order Server

For 2 days I've been trying to receive recommended service and the order gets 
created but eventually times out.
Did the order server address change?
ORDERSERVER

  url="https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/;

is there an issue with the site ?
thanks
Carmen 

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Re: Shopz Order Server

[Gadi Ben-Avi]

I just ran a job the receives HoldData. 
I ran just fine.
Have you checked if there is a firewall or some other security issue?

Gadi

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Shopz Order Server

For 2 days I've been trying to receive recommended service and the order gets 
created but eventually times out.
Did the order server address change?
ORDERSERVER

  url="https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/;

is there an issue with the site ?
thanks
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Shopz Order Server

[Carmen Vitullo]

For 2 days I've been trying to receive recommended service and the order gets 
created but eventually times out.
Did the order server address change?
ORDERSERVER

  url="https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/;

is there an issue with the site ?
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Re: MQ For z/os

[Colin Paice]

Mark,

Backwards migration is supported between LTS releases (i.e. 9.0.0, 9.1.0,
9.2.0), so it's not correct that the upgrade process is not reversible,
unless the question is about a CD release.

IBM always suggested being up-to-date with all maintenance before migrating
to a new release. The backwards migration process has changed in 9.2, and
there is no need to apply a specific backwards migration PTF before
migrating. The backwards migration process in 9.2 is documented here:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.2?topic=92-reverting-queue-manager-previous-version-zos
.

All the MQ on z/OS migration information is documented under this topic:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.2?topic=mq-migrating-zos


The question about backing up your page sets and logs is an interesting one.

If you backed up your page sets, and restored a pageset,  (and did not
restore your logs from backup) then when you restart the queue manager it
would replay the logs and bring the restored page set(s) up to date.

If you back them up, go to the next release, run for a day and then decide
to use your backups of page sets AND LOGS ( so your logs now do not have
any updates since the backup)
This causes problems like Messages which had been in the system, and
processed - now appear again (from the backup) - so where the message said
"PAY COLIN $100" would get processed twice.
Any new messages which were not processed before shutting down and
restoring would be overwritten by the restore.
Any channels going to other queue managers which had sent messages, will
get sequence number mismatches and you will have to reset the channels.

So the lesson is, you can ( and should backup) your pages sets, but *do not
try to restore the logs from backups* except under IBM's guidance.
(As a good sysprog you will have tested the backup and restore of a page
set - and have JCL already written to do this!)

regards

Colin





If you were on LTS, you could go from 9.0 to 9.1 and back to 9.0 without
losing any messages.






On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 16:52, Steely.Mark  wrote:

> Has anyone upgraded from MQ 9.0 to 9.2 ?
>
> Is there any PTF's that need to be applied to 9.0 before going to 9.2.
> This is the only thing I have found:
>
> While at MQ 9.0, take a full backup of the queue managers. Why? Because
> the upgrade process is NOT reversible. If you need to revert back from MQ
> 9.1 to 9.0, then you must delete the queue managers and restore the backup
> taken at MQ 9.0.
>
> I know this statement is talking about 9.1 but I think it would also
> relate going to 9.2.
>
> Any information relating to upgrading MQ would be appreciated.
>
> Thank You
>
>
>
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protecting SYSCALLS functions...

[ITschak Mugzach]

I started this thread in the RACF discussion group. I would like to protect
some of the syscalls functions. for example, getpwent that returns
information about users defined ()also) to racf.
In order to retrieve information about a user in racf, you need to have
attributes like special, (RO)Auditor at a global or group level, or have
access to some functions (such listuser) that are protected by racf
facility profiles.
Is there a way to limit access to part of the functions? If not, why does
IBM allow that? I know that this is a standard Unix behavior, but in the Z
case, more information is retrieved.

ITschak

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