SMF 119 - TERMINAL ID screen time

[Jake Anderson]

Hello

I have extracted SMF119 and I am able to see when a terminal opened an
application, remote IP, LU Name.

Is it possible to know the screen time or the time spend by a terminal ID
inside an application(accessed by an LU)?


Jake

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Re: Suppressing C info messages

[Neale Ferguson]

Thanks for the SUPPRESS() suggestion.

Neale



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Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Jasi Grewal]

 Lionel, Thank You so much and is an Excellent Work as I have used it now and 
is a great Tool.
Thanks again Lionel and everyone else for their views,Regards,
Jasi Grewal.
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 04:19:57 p.m. EDT, Lionel B. Dyck 
 wrote:  
 
 Take a look at FTPBatch at https://github.com/lbdyck/ftpb or www.cbttape.org 
in file 312

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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
> That's cool idea.
> 
> I have never heard of such a tool.
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:05 PM
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> Subject: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?
> 
> Greetings, 
> I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to 
> transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.
> I was wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to 
> transfer data between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.
> It would be interesting to determine if there is a Tool available and maybe I 
> can find time to write one this year, if there is none.
> Thank You in advance,Regards,Jasi Grewal.
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Re: Name conflict: CICS macro name IDENTIFY conflicts with MVS macro name IDENTIFY

[Charles Mills]

In COBOL you can say COPY member OF ddname, so you can get an instance of
'member' that is not the first one in SYSLIB. PL/I has something similar.

I don't think there is any way to do that in HLASM, is there? That would be
nice.

Perhaps a *PROCESS option to say "find macro IDENTIFY in the SYSMAC
concatenation." (And then you would provide a SYSMAC DD statement pointing
to SYS1.MACLIB or similar.) Or a hierarchical opcode name scheme like
SYSMAC.IDENTIFY.

Classic name collision problem. Many languages provide some way to control
namespaces at the individual source code level.

If IDENTIFY had been invented today they would have been called IEFIDENT and
DFHIDENT, thereby solving the problem (but at a cost in memorability).

Charles


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Subject: Name conflict: CICS macro name IDENTIFY conflicts with MVS macro
name IDENTIFY

Cross-posted to IBM-MAIN and CICS-L.

We just encountered this.  Our SDLC mechanism has CICS.BASE.MACLIB (an ALIAS
for the current product version library) positioned in the assembler
translate step BEFORE the SYS1.MACLIB library.  SOP, put all licensed
product libraries ahead of base system libraries, right?

Not in this case.  Turns out we have some old assembler ode that uses the
MVS IDENTIFY macro for reasonable business purposes, but now the CICS MACLIB
ALSO has a macro named IDENTIFY.

Now that assembler program cannot be maintained or changed until the SYSLIB
setup in the SDLC mechanism is updated (never a short process).

The obvious solution here is of course to change the SDLC setup to put the
CICS MACLIB after SYS1.MACLIB, but was this documented to the sysprogs that
there is a (new?) name conflict here?

Do the CICS and MVS sysprogs even talk to each other or to the SDLC
mechanism maintainers?

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Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Tom Brennan]

The idea that if it didn't already exist for ISPF, someone here could 
make a bunch of money on something relatively simple, like Nico did. 
Sorry, I've been hanging around too many sales people at work.  Dollars 
are always first in their minds.


Related (but not related to the mainframe) was in the early 2000's I 
think, there was a guy who first introduced tabs into a web browser. 
His "browser" was even reviewed in the Wall Street Journal as a 
contestant to the others.  They obviously didn't realize that all his 
front-end tabbing program did was call IE under the covers.  And worse, 
his web site didn't mention that either.  But he's probably living on 
Lake Como by now.


On 7/19/2022 1:45 PM, Charles Mills wrote:

Nico Mak

What is the relevance? The idea of a graphical wrapper for an CLI product?

Charles


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Subject: Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

What was the guy's name, "Nico Mac" or similar (from 1990's memory) who
coded WinZip and made a whole lot of money.

On 7/19/2022 1:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote:

That's cool idea.

I have never heard of such a tool.

Charles


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Subject: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

Greetings,
I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to 
transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.
I was wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to transfer 
data between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.
It would be interesting to determine if there is a Tool available and maybe I 
can find time to write one this year, if there is none.
Thank You in advance,Regards,Jasi Grewal.

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[Marna WALLE]

A late advertisement, but maybe still some haven't yet seen this:

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Name conflict: CICS macro name IDENTIFY conflicts with MVS macro name IDENTIFY

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Cross-posted to IBM-MAIN and CICS-L.

We just encountered this.  Our SDLC mechanism has CICS.BASE.MACLIB (an ALIAS 
for the current product version library) positioned in the assembler translate 
step BEFORE the SYS1.MACLIB library.  SOP, put all licensed product libraries 
ahead of base system libraries, right?

Not in this case.  Turns out we have some old assembler ode that uses the MVS 
IDENTIFY macro for reasonable business purposes, but now the CICS MACLIB ALSO 
has a macro named IDENTIFY.

Now that assembler program cannot be maintained or changed until the SYSLIB 
setup in the SDLC mechanism is updated (never a short process).

The obvious solution here is of course to change the SDLC setup to put the CICS 
MACLIB after SYS1.MACLIB, but was this documented to the sysprogs that there is 
a (new?) name conflict here?

Do the CICS and MVS sysprogs even talk to each other or to the SDLC mechanism 
maintainers?

Peter
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Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Charles Mills]

Many things, but in this case, just that it is command line, not ISPF.

Charles


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What's wrong with MVS' native FTP?  Or does that depend on NJE (whatever that 
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Jasi Grewal
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 16:05

I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to 
transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.  I was 
wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to transfer data 
between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.  It would be interesting 
to determine if there is a Tool available and maybe I can find time to write 
one this year, if there is none.

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Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Charles Mills]

Nico Mak

What is the relevance? The idea of a graphical wrapper for an CLI product?

Charles


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Of Tom Brennan
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:26 PM
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Subject: Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

What was the guy's name, "Nico Mac" or similar (from 1990's memory) who 
coded WinZip and made a whole lot of money.

On 7/19/2022 1:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> That's cool idea.
> 
> I have never heard of such a tool.
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
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> Behalf Of Jasi Grewal
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:05 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?
> 
> Greetings,
> I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to 
> transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.
> I was wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to 
> transfer data between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.
> It would be interesting to determine if there is a Tool available and maybe I 
> can find time to write one this year, if there is none.
> Thank You in advance,Regards,Jasi Grewal.
> 
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Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Tom Brennan]

What was the guy's name, "Nico Mac" or similar (from 1990's memory) who 
coded WinZip and made a whole lot of money.


On 7/19/2022 1:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote:

That's cool idea.

I have never heard of such a tool.

Charles


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Subject: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

Greetings,
I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to 
transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.
I was wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to transfer 
data between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.
It would be interesting to determine if there is a Tool available and maybe I 
can find time to write one this year, if there is none.
Thank You in advance,Regards,Jasi Grewal.

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Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Bob Bridges]

What's wrong with MVS' native FTP?  Or does that depend on NJE (whatever that 
is)?

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Jasi Grewal
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 16:05

I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to 
transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.  I was 
wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to transfer data 
between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.  It would be interesting 
to determine if there is a Tool available and maybe I can find time to write 
one this year, if there is none.

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Re: z/OS 1.4 submit

[Tom Brennan]

On 7/19/2022 10:04 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

Would you just guess?  Would you design a production application
based on a guess?  Of course if you code your application in
XL C/C++ the support for fopen( "//DD: ..." ) is well documented.


The best part about that method is that once the underlying facility 
fails, there's no reason to continue testing my own code which is 
probably full of bugs.  I get to blame someone else for a change :)


Hmm... this reminds me of a story my brother told me, who worked as an 
engineer on optical systems that go up in space.  He said he kind of 
looked forward to a rocket blowing up at launch because then there was 
no chance his own work could fail.


But seriously, it's obvious you need to check the called facilities 
while doing the design.  So that's kind of a silly question.


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Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Mike Shaw]

Try FTPB, Lionel Dyck's excellent ISPF FTP tool.

www.lbdsoftware.com

Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 4:05 PM Jasi Grewal <
040674ae00fc-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Greetings,
> I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to
> transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.
> I was wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to
> transfer data between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.
> It would be interesting to determine if there is a Tool available and
> maybe I can find time to write one this year, if there is none.
> Thank You in advance,Regards,Jasi Grewal.
>
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Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Lionel B. Dyck]

Take a look at FTPBatch at https://github.com/lbdyck/ftpb or www.cbttape.org in 
file 312

Lionel B Dyck <
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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
> That's cool idea.
> 
> I have never heard of such a tool.
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
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> Behalf Of Jasi Grewal
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:05 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?
> 
> Greetings, 
> I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to 
> transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.
> I was wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to 
> transfer data between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.
> It would be interesting to determine if there is a Tool available and maybe I 
> can find time to write one this year, if there is none.
> Thank You in advance,Regards,Jasi Grewal.
> 
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Re: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Charles Mills]

That's cool idea.

I have never heard of such a tool.

Charles


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Subject: z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

Greetings, 
I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to 
transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.
I was wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to transfer 
data between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.
It would be interesting to determine if there is a Tool available and maybe I 
can find time to write one this year, if there is none.
Thank You in advance,Regards,Jasi Grewal.

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z/OS FTP ISPF Client - Available?

[Jasi Grewal]

Greetings, 
I work in an organization where there is a numerous FTP requirements to 
transfer the Data between each z/OS Systems and they don't use NJE.
I was wondering if there is an FTP ISPF Tool and which can be used to transfer 
data between other z/OS Systems or other Operating Systems.
It would be interesting to determine if there is a Tool available and maybe I 
can find time to write one this year, if there is none.
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Re: z/OS 1.4 submit

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:11:10 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>If each operand either cannot be a Unix file or must be a Unix file then it 
>doesn't matter whether the command uses fopen() or open(). Only if the command 
>has an operand that can specify either a path or a ddname (or path or dsname) 
>is there an issue.
>
Where is it documented which commands other than the c89
family support a ddname?  Where is it documented which
commands support fopen()?

Would you just guess?  Would you design a production application
based on a guess?  Of course if you code your application in
XL C/C++ the support for fopen( "//DD: ..." ) is well documented.


>On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:05:53 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
>>Allocate an internal reader and copy the file to it. Ensure that the command 
>>you use supports fopen() syntax.

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Re: CIO vs CMO

[Farley, Peter x23353]

There is a large difference between what programmers need to see and what "data 
owners" need to see.  As an application programmer, I need to be able to READ 
everything in order to solve program defects and program new enhancement / 
maintenance requests.  I should NOT be able to delete or modify any production 
data.  That's understood and totally acceptable.

The security wonks don’t want to let me (or anyone) read ANYTHING unless I have 
to do it every day.

Either you trust your programmers or you don't.  If you don’t trust them, then 
don't expect quick resolution of production abends to meet strict SLA's.  And 
no, so-called "break glass" procedures are NOT good enough.

Shakespeare was *almost* right -- First get rid of all the auditors.

Peter

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EXTERNAL EMAIL

At a previous company, as newly hired vp of marketing. After consecutive 
requests for additional accesses to the company intranet, one of the IT admins 
got tired of the one-off requests and just gave me access to everything. I 
could view/download EVERYTHING. 
Has anyone else seen anything along these lines? 

Best regards, 

Tony Perri, CEO/Co-founder
Santa Rosa Software, LLC
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://santarosasoftware.com__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PlOFs8QoWQ_mYLFXhhBAl8QKqu46fYu9wiypR_SyEgR90yw4JBpqsj8Pb7JW_5e9J8wq57EPD5pVIWgmk7iDKRzqIbDgXsIg8w$
  
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I've not seen that, but I've a nitpick about something else in your question:  
You said "...versus IT teams managing it".  If you meant that the way you said 
it, ok, but I've been places where "managing" was thought to mean "deciding who 
gets access to".  I just want to take issue with that misunderstanding, which I 
realize may not be what you meant.

The security admins do indeed "manage" access to the data, but they do it (or 
ought to do it) at the direction of the data owners.  In theory the CEO owns 
all the data, but of course he doesn't bother with that; in practice it's 
delegated downward until it reaches a knowledgeable user.  So the GL manager 
owns the GL data, or delegates it to one of his staff who knows what datasets 
are out there.  The HR files and production processes are owned by someone in 
HR, and so on.  I envision it like the old feudalism, with each manager holding 
ownership of the data and processes entrusted to him from above and parceling 
out portions of it to underlings who will hold it in fief, until the downward 
delegation reaches the person who knows what needs to be done.  The security 
admins should (but often don't) have a record of who's been named the owner of 
each set of data, and that's the person who should (repeat should) approve 
requests for access.

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Tony Perri
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 13:06

I'm doing a presentation at a conference next month about who controls "money 
making" data in large enterprises (large enough for z/OS). The general idea is 
that CxOs on the business side in the past 5-10 years see data as a money maker 
and are letting CMOs have more access to data (think CRM and marketing 
automation systems) so they can make money from it. 

My question here is this: 
--Have you (or a colleague) experienced firsthand any occurrence where the CEO, 
COO or other business-side exec said "we want to let so-and-so and his or her 
team take over this data store. Give them whatever they need."? 

The implication was that sales/marketing folks are going to put the data to 
better use to make more money for the organization. The caveat here is the data 
security risk of letting sales and marketing people manage data versus IT teams 
managing it. Thanks in advance. 

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Re: CIO vs CMO

[Tony Perri, Santa Rosa Software]

At a previous company, as newly hired vp of marketing. After consecutive 
requests for additional accesses to the company intranet, one of the IT admins 
got tired of the one-off requests and just gave me access to everything. I 
could view/download EVERYTHING. 
Has anyone else seen anything along these lines? 

Best regards, 

Tony Perri, CEO/Co-founder
Santa Rosa Software, LLC
https://santarosasoftware.com 
tony.pe...@santarosasoftware.com


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Bridges
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 8:33 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CIO vs CMO

I've not seen that, but I've a nitpick about something else in your question:  
You said "...versus IT teams managing it".  If you meant that the way you said 
it, ok, but I've been places where "managing" was thought to mean "deciding who 
gets access to".  I just want to take issue with that misunderstanding, which I 
realize may not be what you meant.

The security admins do indeed "manage" access to the data, but they do it (or 
ought to do it) at the direction of the data owners.  In theory the CEO owns 
all the data, but of course he doesn't bother with that; in practice it's 
delegated downward until it reaches a knowledgeable user.  So the GL manager 
owns the GL data, or delegates it to one of his staff who knows what datasets 
are out there.  The HR files and production processes are owned by someone in 
HR, and so on.  I envision it like the old feudalism, with each manager holding 
ownership of the data and processes entrusted to him from above and parceling 
out portions of it to underlings who will hold it in fief, until the downward 
delegation reaches the person who knows what needs to be done.  The security 
admins should (but often don't) have a record of who's been named the owner of 
each set of data, and that's the person who should (repeat should) approve 
requests for access.

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Tony Perri
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 13:06

I'm doing a presentation at a conference next month about who controls "money 
making" data in large enterprises (large enough for z/OS). The general idea is 
that CxOs on the business side in the past 5-10 years see data as a money maker 
and are letting CMOs have more access to data (think CRM and marketing 
automation systems) so they can make money from it. 

My question here is this: 
--Have you (or a colleague) experienced firsthand any occurrence where the CEO, 
COO or other business-side exec said "we want to let so-and-so and his or her 
team take over this data store. Give them whatever they need."? 

The implication was that sales/marketing folks are going to put the data to 
better use to make more money for the organization. The caveat here is the data 
security risk of letting sales and marketing people manage data versus IT teams 
managing it. Thanks in advance. 

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Re: CIO vs CMO

[Tony Perri, Santa Rosa Software]

Excellent post Bob Bridges. Thank you! 

Best regards, 

Tony Perri, CEO/Co-founder
Santa Rosa Software, LLC
https://santarosasoftware.com 
tony.pe...@santarosasoftware.com


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Bob 
Bridges
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 8:33 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CIO vs CMO

I've not seen that, but I've a nitpick about something else in your question:  
You said "...versus IT teams managing it".  If you meant that the way you said 
it, ok, but I've been places where "managing" was thought to mean "deciding who 
gets access to".  I just want to take issue with that misunderstanding, which I 
realize may not be what you meant.

The security admins do indeed "manage" access to the data, but they do it (or 
ought to do it) at the direction of the data owners.  In theory the CEO owns 
all the data, but of course he doesn't bother with that; in practice it's 
delegated downward until it reaches a knowledgeable user.  So the GL manager 
owns the GL data, or delegates it to one of his staff who knows what datasets 
are out there.  The HR files and production processes are owned by someone in 
HR, and so on.  I envision it like the old feudalism, with each manager holding 
ownership of the data and processes entrusted to him from above and parceling 
out portions of it to underlings who will hold it in fief, until the downward 
delegation reaches the person who knows what needs to be done.  The security 
admins should (but often don't) have a record of who's been named the owner of 
each set of data, and that's the person who should (repeat should) approve 
requests for access.

---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* -attributed to Alexander Pope:
Be not the first by whom the new is tried Nor yet the last to lay the old 
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Tony Perri
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 13:06

I'm doing a presentation at a conference next month about who controls "money 
making" data in large enterprises (large enough for z/OS). The general idea is 
that CxOs on the business side in the past 5-10 years see data as a money maker 
and are letting CMOs have more access to data (think CRM and marketing 
automation systems) so they can make money from it. 

My question here is this: 
--Have you (or a colleague) experienced firsthand any occurrence where the CEO, 
COO or other business-side exec said "we want to let so-and-so and his or her 
team take over this data store. Give them whatever they need."? 

The implication was that sales/marketing folks are going to put the data to 
better use to make more money for the organization. The caveat here is the data 
security risk of letting sales and marketing people manage data versus IT teams 
managing it. Thanks in advance. 

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Re: z/OS 1.4 submit

[Seymour J Metz]

If each operand either cannot be a Unix file or must be a Unix file then it 
doesn't matter whether the command uses fopen() or open(). Only if the command 
has an operand that can specify either a path or a ddname (or path or dsname) 
is there an issue.


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Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:48 AM
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.4 submit

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 13:32:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>A command written for, e.g., *bsd, Linux, Unix, will expect file names in Unix 
>system and will use the library routine fopen(), which also expects Unix 
>syntax. The library routine fopen() accepts an expanded syntax that allows 
>specifying classical MVS datasets. It's not relevant to EXECIO and IEBGENER, 
>since they already handled datasets befor Unix System Services cames along as 
>OpenEdition.
>
In other words, it is not required that the command supports fopen() syntax.

>
>From: Paul Gilmartin [042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 9:10 AM
>
>On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:05:53 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
>>Allocate an internal reader and copy the file to it. Ensure that the command 
>>you use supports fopen() syntax.
>>
>Why should "supports fopen() syntax" be necessary.  I've variously used
>EXECIO and IEBGERR; I doubt that either uses fopen().
>
>Isn't fopen() a feature of a language (usually C) rather than of a command?

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Re: DFSORT/ICETOOL

[Sri h Kolusu]

>> I would like to add all the space for each year and for each High Level 
>> Qualifier. Is there a way to do this using DFSORT or ICETOOL

Jack,

It is quite simple and can be done.  Since you haven't specified the positions 
of the data, I assumed the following.

1. The input file has LRECL=133 RECFM=FBA
2. Position 2 thru 10 the space value
3. Position 11 has the space unit ( K = KB , M=MB G=GB)
4. The dataset name starts in position 13 which has the HLQ
5. The year value starts in position 71 thru 74

//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//SYMNOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYMNAMES DD *
INP-BYTE,02,08,UFF
FMT-YEAR,134,04,UFF
SKIP,1
FMT-HLQ,*,08,CH
SKIP,1
FMT-UNT,*,10,UFF
SKIP,1
FMT-BYT,*,08,PD
//SORTIN   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=Your.input.FBA.rmm.report
//SORTOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD *
  INREC PARSE=(%01=(ABSPOS=13,ENDBEFR=C'.',FIXLEN=8)),
OVERLAY=(FMT-YEAR:71,04,   # YEAR
 FMT-HLQ:%01,
 FMT-UNT:11,1,CHANGE=(10,C'K',C'001024',
 C'M',C'0001048576',
 C'G',C'1073741824'),
 NOMATCH=(C'01'),
 FMT-BYT:INP-BYTE,MUL,
 FMT-UNT,TO=PD,LENGTH=8)

  SORT FIELDS=(FMT-YEAR,A,
   FMT-HLQ,A)

   SUM FIELDS=(FMT-BYT)

  OUTREC BUILD=(FMT-YEAR,
X,
FMT-HLQ,
X,
FMT-BYT,M10,LENGTH=12,
X,
FMT-BYT,DIV,+001024,M10,LENGTH=10,C' KB',
X,
FMT-BYT,DIV,+0001048576,M10,LENGTH=08,C' MB',
X,
FMT-BYT,DIV,+1073741824,M10,LENGTH=06,C' GB')
/*

The output will be shown as

Year , HLQ, Byte-total , Byte-total-in-KB, Byte-total-in-MB, Byte-total-in-GB  
( You can pick and choose which ever unit you want) . The KB,MB,GB values are 
in all integers , if you want the decimals also, then it is easy to 
incorporate. Let me know if you are interested in that.


PS: It would have been nice if you used a descriptive  topic title rather than 
the PGM name for the topic.  Something like "Summing up values from a RMM 
report using DFSORT"

Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation


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Re: z/OS 1.4 submit

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 13:32:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>A command written for, e.g., *bsd, Linux, Unix, will expect file names in Unix 
>system and will use the library routine fopen(), which also expects Unix 
>syntax. The library routine fopen() accepts an expanded syntax that allows 
>specifying classical MVS datasets. It's not relevant to EXECIO and IEBGENER, 
>since they already handled datasets befor Unix System Services cames along as 
>OpenEdition.
>
In other words, it is not required that the command supports fopen() syntax.

>
>From: Paul Gilmartin [042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 9:10 AM
>
>On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:05:53 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
>>Allocate an internal reader and copy the file to it. Ensure that the command 
>>you use supports fopen() syntax.
>>
>Why should "supports fopen() syntax" be necessary.  I've variously used
>EXECIO and IEBGERR; I doubt that either uses fopen().
>
>Isn't fopen() a feature of a language (usually C) rather than of a command?

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Re: z/OS 1.4 submit

[Seymour J Metz]

A command written for, e.g., *bsd, Linux, Unix, will expect file names in Unix 
system and will use the library routine fopen(), which also expects Unix 
syntax. The library routine fopen() accepts an expanded syntax that allows 
specifying classical MVS datasets. It's not relevant to EXECIO and IEBGENER, 
since they already handled datasets befor Unix System Services cames along as 
OpenEdition.


--
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.4 submit

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:05:53 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>Allocate an internal reader and copy the file to it. Ensure that the command 
>you use supports fopen() syntax.
>
Why should "supports fopen() syntax" be necessary.  I've variously used
EXECIO and IEBGERR; I doubt that either uses fopen().

Isn't fopen() a feature of a language (usually C) rather than of a command?

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Re: DFSORT/ICETOOL

[Jack Zukt]

Hi,

RECFM=FBA

 33554K ABCDE00.CCSPS040.RCS.CCLOG.SOV1.G0061V00 VOL371 21/06/2022
BATCHPEM MCTAPE   JOBNAMEY
 33554K ABCDE00.CCSPS040.RCS.CCLOG.SOV1.G0062V00 VOL938 13/07/2022
BATCHPEM  MCTAPEJOBNAMEY
 0K  ABCDE00.CCSPS090.CCTRANS.SOV1.G0057V00   VOL127 31/05/2022
IDCAMSMCTAPEJOBNAMEY
 0K ABCDE00.CCSPS090.CCTRANS.SOV1.G0058V00   VOL530 21/06/2022
IDCAMSMCTAPEJOBNAMEY
 0K ABCDE00.CCSPS090.CCTRANS.SOV1.G0059V00   VOL792 13/07/2022
IDCAMSMCTAPEJOBNAMEY
184549K ABCDE00.FZDM00.SOV1.G0001V00 VOL596 29/08/2012
ADRDSSU  MCVTSXJOBNAMEA


On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 11:01, Massimo Biancucci  wrote:

> Jack,
>
> for sure. I think at a PARSE + SUM FIELDS.
>
> Could you please add few records to better understand the data format ?
> I don't know RMM report, is it fixed or what ?
>
> Best regards.
> Max
>
> Il giorno mar 19 lug 2022 alle ore 11:25 Jack Zukt  ha
> scritto:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a file (rmm report) in which each record has this information:
> >
> > space"K" data_set_name volser dd/mm/ pgmname storclas jobname
> >
> > I would like to add all the space for each year and for each High Level
> > Qualifier.
> > Is there a way to do this using DFSORT or ICETOOL
> > I have been reading the manual but, so far, I have not found what I am
> > looking for.
> > Thank you for any assistance you can give me
> > Jack
> >
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Re: DFSORT/ICETOOL

[Massimo Biancucci]

Jack,

for sure. I think at a PARSE + SUM FIELDS.

Could you please add few records to better understand the data format ?
I don't know RMM report, is it fixed or what ?

Best regards.
Max

Il giorno mar 19 lug 2022 alle ore 11:25 Jack Zukt  ha
scritto:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a file (rmm report) in which each record has this information:
>
> space"K" data_set_name volser dd/mm/ pgmname storclas jobname
>
> I would like to add all the space for each year and for each High Level
> Qualifier.
> Is there a way to do this using DFSORT or ICETOOL
> I have been reading the manual but, so far, I have not found what I am
> looking for.
> Thank you for any assistance you can give me
> Jack
>
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DFSORT/ICETOOL

[Jack Zukt]

Hi all,

I have a file (rmm report) in which each record has this information:

space"K" data_set_name volser dd/mm/ pgmname storclas jobname

I would like to add all the space for each year and for each High Level
Qualifier.
Is there a way to do this using DFSORT or ICETOOL
I have been reading the manual but, so far, I have not found what I am
looking for.
Thank you for any assistance you can give me
Jack

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Deja Vue?

[Colin Paice]

I see you can now get a water cooled laptop
.  I remember
our site being heated from the water cooled 3090.  When the mainfame went
to the air cooled CMOS, the site had to get a gas supply and a big boiler!
Colin

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