Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-10 Thread Leonard D Woren
It's actually much more complex than that.  Here's a little-known 
story from a place I used to used to work some decades back.  This did 
not happen on an MVS system, but some other vendor's system with those 
letters in a different order.  One day that system crashed, I think 
for no apparent reason.  Rebooting it failed.  Apparently the system 
disk volume was corrupted.  They restored from a backup.  That backup 
was corrupted.  They tried backup after backup, going all the way back 
to the oldest backup they had, 5 months old.  It was corrupted. They 
had to rebuild the system from scratch.  Apparently a hacker with a 
lot of patience had gotten them.  They were very tight-lipped about 
what happened, even to data center staff, but the above leaked out to me.


The takeaway should be just because your backups appear to be 
successful, unless you regularly test restoring from backups, you 
really don't know that they're any good.  So even on MVS or z/OS or 
whatever it might happen to be called tomorrow, TEST THOSE BACKUPS.  
Even if they're "read-only".


One of my current employer's customers needed to restore a catalog 
from backup due to the catalog being broken.  Well, it was broken for 
much longer than they realized, and all of the backups (4 months 
worth) were incomplete due to that.  Nobody was looking at the backup 
job to ensure that it was successful.


At another place I worked in the dim past, the HSM SDSPs were backed 
up daily via REPRO to tape.  Do I really need to say it? The backups 
were all truncated due to a key sequence error in the SDSPs, but 
nobody was looking at the REPRO output.


/Leonard


Colin Paice wrote on 3/10/2023 12:27 AM:

Does it protect you from ransomware?  It gets you back to a good backup.
It depends on how often you backup - and having ransomware means  you might
lose all changes since the last backup  so unless the database is read only
- you are likely to lose  some data.

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 at 23:44, Attila Fogarasi  wrote:


Also there are various solutions for immutable backups of z/OS data, which
would protect you against ransomware.


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Re: Running a Coupling Facility using a CP for a test Parallel Sysplex 0 anyh gotcha's?

2023-03-10 Thread Laurence Chiu
This is a vendor package. Upon asking they said they only support RLS for
sharing. So there are no other options.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 2:58 PM Dale R. Smith

>
> IBM has a product called "CICS VSAM Transparency for z/OS" that claims you
> can migrate VSAM Files to Db2 Tables without having to change any program
> code.
> https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-cics-vsam-transparency-zos
>
> From the web page:
>
> IBM CICS VSAM Transparency for z/OS
>
> Helps you migrate valuable data from VSAM files to Db2 tables in a manner
> that can evolve as business needs change
>
> IBM® CICS® VSAM Transparency helps you move valuable data from VSAM files
> to Db2® tables. This migration can evolve as your business requirements
> dictate, without having to modify your CICS® and batch VSAM application
> programs. You can access the Db2® data 24x7, as well as integrate your data
> with new and existing Db2® applications, preserving your core investments
> and avoiding costly application rewrites.
>
> I'm sure it's not cheap, but it would allow you to share the data and it
> may be cheaper than what you would need to do to share a VSAM file.
>
> I have no experience with the product so I don't know if it works as
> advertised.
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Re: Running a Coupling Facility using a CP for a test Parallel Sysplex 0 anyh gotcha's?

2023-03-10 Thread Laurence Chiu
Hadn't considered that. Based on what the outsourcer has advised us I doubt
this has even crossed their mind.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 6:19 PM Timothy Sipples  wrote:

> The only other thing I can think of is that some operators (some
> outsourcers for example) might not have — or know how to perform — capacity
> measurement, planning, chargeback accounting (ugh!), or contractual
> arrangements when running the CFCC on general purpose processors (CPs).
> Those are not a technical limitations. You/they can do all of that for CF
> workloads straightforwardly. But those "technobusiness" factors might
> explain some reticence if you're observing any.
>
> — — — — —
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Re: SMP)e

2023-03-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:17:09 -0600, Brian Westerman wrote:

>That's the main reason they want you to do these individually, they are really 
>big.
>
I suspect it's a genuine functional dependency.  Imagine a scenario:

PTFA upgrades the assembler by adding a new opcode.

PTFB contains a ++SRC element that uses that new opcode.

The assembler step for PTFB can not run before the load module
updates of PTFA are complete, but SMP/E generally performs
assembler steps before binder steps.

An RFE could provide for "firm" prerequisites such that SMP/E
performs all steps of the prerequisite PTF before any steps of
the dependent PTF.

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Re: SMP)e

2023-03-10 Thread Brian Westerman
That's the main reason they want you to do these individually, they are really 
big.

Brian

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WLM Couple dataset?

2023-03-10 Thread Pommier, Rex
Thanks, Matthew.  

Bill, if my initial post asking you to stop deleting the context came across as 
rude, I apologize.  I didn't mean it that way, I didn't realize the listserv 
web site automatically whacked the earlier parts of the thread by default.

Rex 

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I use the LISTSERV web site.  On the left there are two apostrophes (quote 
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It is considered good practice to remove the IBM-MAIN stuff at the bottom.

Matthew

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 18:33:08 -0500, Tony Harminc  wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 at 18:27, Bill Giannelli  wrote:
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>Sorry - my advice was for Gmail only. I never use the listserv page to 
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WLM Couple dataset?

2023-03-10 Thread Matthew Stitt
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>On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 at 18:27, Bill Giannelli  wrote:
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Re: SMP)e

2023-03-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:36:33 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>Maybe it's time for an RFE. Is there a business case for a new hold class to 
>address this? something like MANUALPRE(UY12345)?
>
Not a new hold class, which would require multiple jobs with a BYPASS, but a
new sub-operand of PRE to automate the entire process, e.g.:
PRE((UY12345,SERIAL),...), requiring serial operations.

Doesn't "make" e.g. handle this correctly?  If a target appears as a 
prerequisite
of another target, the operations the targets will be built sequentially, in 
order.

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Re: CS/CDS instruction

2023-03-10 Thread Mike Schwab
https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/1/897/ENUS122-001/index.html

IBM z16tm puts innovation to work while unlocking the potential of
your hybrid cloud transformation

IBM United States Hardware Announcement 122-001
April 5, 2022

Removal of support of the transactional execution and constrained
transactional execution facility: In a future IBM Z hardware system
family, the transactional execution and constrained transactional
execution facility will no longer be supported. Users of the facility
on current servers should always check the facility indications before
use.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 7:17 AM Peter Relson  wrote:
>
> The statement of direction is clear.
> That stated direction is to remove the transactional execution facility.
> I think that no information is yet available about "when" or whether it might 
> be done in stages.
>
> Paul G wrote
> >Transactional execution : software :: speculative execution : firmware.
>
> I'm not sure what that means. The transactional execution facility we are 
> talking about is a machine facility.
> Exploitation of that facility is under direct control of the software.
>
> Peter Relson
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Re: SMP)e

2023-03-10 Thread Steve Beaver
The PTF I referenced. My smpwrk is a M54. The PTF is so large I had to add a 
second volume to be able to get the PTF applied 

Sent from my iPhone

No one said I could type with one thumb 

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> I ask IBM and the said to install the PTFs serially to get around this issue.
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> 
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> GIM24608E ** SHELLSCR ENTRY BBLS2009 IS NEEDED TO PROCESS HFS BBL20009 FOR
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Re: CS/CDS instruction

2023-03-10 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 20:06:10 -0600, Paul Gilmartin  wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 18:17:14 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote:
>
>>IBM has announced that Transactional execution will be removed.
>>
>Entirely?  I read much earlier that it  was being removed partially.

From the z16 announcement 


Removal of support of the transactional execution and constrained transactional 
execution facility: In a future IBM Z hardware system family, the transactional 
execution and constrained transactional execution facility will no longer be 
supported. Users of the facility on current servers should always check the 
facility indications before use.


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Re: SMP)e

2023-03-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Maybe it's time for an RFE. Is there a business case for a new hold class to 
address this? something like MANUALPRE(UY12345)?


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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 12:36 AM
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>I am assuming this is for z/OS 2.4.  At my current employer, I have the PTF 
>applied.  I think that at my past employer, I ran into the same problem you 
>did.  I never was able to resolve the error at the previous employer.
>
>The only difference between old employer and new employer, was the date of the 
>receiving of cumulative maintenance.  Previous employer, date of receiving 
>cumulative maintenance was third quarter 2021, current employer second quarter 
>of 2022.

I have run into this a number of times for different ptfs, starting back in 
z/OS 2.3. In the easy case I had the 'required' ptf (i.e. the ptf that was 
giving me the instructions on how to do the setup) already received or received 
in the same batch.

Despite using groupextent, that ptf's hold actions never showed up in the apply 
check output. Because it was not installable, and hold actions are only shown 
for installable ptfs. I had to go back to the smppts and browse the thing 
manually to get at the install instructions. This always happened when both the 
ptf and it's prereq were received at the same time. Provided IBM had bothered 
to even provide a prereq ptf. I remember one DFHSM ptf in 2.3 that just didn't 
have install instructions. I was lucky that that ptf was already in the 2.5 
base when I got 2.5.
I also had a case where I was unable to find out what the install instructions 
were. That ptf still hangs around in my 2.5 smppts. Since it's for a function 
we don't use, I don't much care. Until it impacts something we need due to 
coreqs.:-(

Best regards, Barbara

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Re: SMP)e

2023-03-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Was there a HOLD un the PTF with an explanation that it had to be on a separate 
APPLY from the prereq?


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>No the problem is that you can't install these particular PTFs with everything 
>else, they have to be performed separately via an Apply the PTF by itself with 
>NO Groupextend and then Apply the
> remaining PTF's needed from the original Apply.

This is exactly what I did when I encountered this. First apply ptf A, then ptf 
B that needs whatever new path or something. The problem for me has always been 
to identify ptf A because ptf B's holddata don't show up on the apply check. 
And sometimes I just had to walk through each of the ++pre's of B to find it. 
Cumbersome is too easy a word for this process.

Regards, Barbara

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Re: CS/CDS instruction

2023-03-10 Thread Peter Relson
The statement of direction is clear.
That stated direction is to remove the transactional execution facility.
I think that no information is yet available about "when" or whether it might 
be done in stages.

Paul G wrote
>Transactional execution : software :: speculative execution : firmware.

I'm not sure what that means. The transactional execution facility we are 
talking about is a machine facility.
Exploitation of that facility is under direct control of the software.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: SMP)e

2023-03-10 Thread Ann Kelley
See  IO27985: GIM24608E ** SHELLSCR ENTRY BBLS1803 IS NEEDED TO PROCESS HFS 
SYSMOD UI65815, BUT SHELLSCR BBLS1803 IS NOT IN THE SZMR0G ZONE.

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Re: WLM Couple dataset?

2023-03-10 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential

Horse hockey

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we are being told by our managed service vendor they have to manually update 
the DR WLM Couple datasets. that they cant be mirrored..

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Re: WLM Couple dataset?

2023-03-10 Thread Allan Staller
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D XCF,COUPLE,TYPE=WLM

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D WLM

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:19 PM Bill Giannelli  wrote:
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> where can I find what the WLM Couple dataset is?
> we need a policy updated and then the WLM Couple Dataset mirrored in our DR.
> thanks
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Re: SMP)e

2023-03-10 Thread Allan Staller
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I ask IBM and the said to install the PTFs serially to get around this issue.

-Original Message-
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Are any of you that are having the following error in SMPe?  And if you

Have had it - How did you get passed it



GIM24608E ** SHELLSCR ENTRY BBLS2009 IS NEEDED TO PROCESS HFS BBL20009 FOR

  SYSMOD UI76945, BUT SHELLSCR BBLS2009 IS NOT IN THE MVST100 ZONE.



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Re: WLM Couple dataset?

2023-03-10 Thread Michael Babcock
We re-INIT the CFRM, XCF, and LOGR at DR.   The only one we reuse is WLM.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 8:41 PM Gabriel Tully  wrote:

> Bill,
>
> IBM doesn't recommend mirroring the couple data sets [1]. There may not be
> serious ramifications for the WLM CDS, but it could be on the same volume
> with a more critical Sysplex CDS or CFRM CDS. The last time I asked IBM
> about mirroring CDSes a severe tone was employed to strongly suggest
> thinking twice about what was at risk.
>
> [1]
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=recovery-planning-disaster-actions
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>
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:20:05 -0600, Bill Giannelli 
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> >not that makes sense to me...
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Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-10 Thread Timothy Sipples
Attila Fogarasi wrote:
>Also there are various solutions for immutable backups of z/OS data, which
>would protect you against ransomware.

Tommy Tsui wrote:
>Any recommendation

https://mediacenter.ibm.com/media/+IBM+Z+Cyber+Vault+Technical+Introduction/1_ug97n0p3

https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg248511.pdf

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IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
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Re: SMP)e

2023-03-10 Thread Barbara Nitz
>No the problem is that you can't install these particular PTFs with everything 
>else, they have to be performed separately via an Apply the PTF by itself with 
>NO Groupextend and then Apply the
> remaining PTF's needed from the original Apply.

This is exactly what I did when I encountered this. First apply ptf A, then ptf 
B that needs whatever new path or something. The problem for me has always been 
to identify ptf A because ptf B's holddata don't show up on the apply check. 
And sometimes I just had to walk through each of the ++pre's of B to find it. 
Cumbersome is too easy a word for this process.

Regards, Barbara

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Re: Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-10 Thread Colin Paice
Does it protect you from ransomware?  It gets you back to a good backup.
It depends on how often you backup - and having ransomware means  you might
lose all changes since the last backup  so unless the database is read only
- you are likely to lose  some data.

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 at 23:44, Attila Fogarasi  wrote:

> Also there are various solutions for immutable backups of z/OS data, which
> would protect you against ransomware.
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Tommy Tsui  wrote:
>
> > Hi all.
> > We are studying to build the tertiary backup. In fact, is it possible to
> > hack the VSAM dataset during online period, is there any policy to
> protect
> > VSAM datasets ?
> >
> > Thanks for sharing
> >
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