Re: Control dispatcher time-slice?

[Michael Stein]

On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 10:34:03PM -0400, Thomas David Rivers wrote:
> We've got a test (with pthread-created TCBs) that we'd like
> to really have dispatched with tiny time slices so we can make
> sure things are working correctly...
> 
> But - it seems that all of our time slices are "big"
> so we don't get the conflicts we'd like to exercise.
> 
> Is there a way to tell the dispatcher to switch more
> quickly between TCBs - so we can get more radical
> multi-tasking?
> 
> This is on a zPDT system (L01) with only one "physical"
> CPU... so we need the dispatcher to perhaps act in
> an atypical way for this exercise.  Right now, we're
> seeing very little multi-tasking between our TCBs.

It's not likely that you can *fully* test that.  I've seen a case where
the task switch had to happen right between two specific instructions
to cause a problem.  You could see the interrupt in the system trace
table right between them in the standalone dump...

On the other hand you can beat on it a bit.  Since you have only a single
processor, any task which waits will cause a task switch.

I've never seen IBM pthreads but assuming they're like regular OS tasks
(plus some extras?) here are some posiblities:

Do the threads use STIMER (or STIMERM)?  If not you could add a a STIMER
exit routine to each thread which wakes up over and over each time for a
random time interval.  At each wakeup the exit waits for a random amount
of time (to let other tasks run) and then reissues the STIMER specifying
itself as the exit again.

This would make the run take longer real time but you might not care
about that (as long as it wasn't too long).

Another possiblity would be to have a single task which issues STATUS STOP
to the other tasks, to run some and stop others (watch out for deadlock?)
Use CHAP to change the priority so that the monitor task runs higher
then the target pthread tasks.

None of the above require authorized code.  With authorized code other
things might be possible...

I once used instruction fetch PER to count every instruction executed
in several address spaces -- not something easy to do without a
"real" single user test system.

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Re: Sv: Execute Rexx from Cobol

[Glenn Knickerbocker]

On Tue, 7 May 2024 18:27:08 +, Lars Höglund  wrote:
>We had a program called JOBINFO (in allocated STEPLIB)
>Didn't realize that jobinfo = jobinfo() in a Rexx will trying to start, and 
>maybe executing the cobolmodule
>We also have a Rexx called jobinfo, and that the one I want to execute.

Oh!  Here's what I didn't know about the REXX function/subroutine search order 
on TSO until just now:

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.1.0?topic=subroutines-search-order
>If a match to the function name is not found, the function search order flag 
>(FUNCSOFL) is checked. The FUNCSOFL flag (see Flags and corresponding masks) 
>indicates whether load libraries are searched before the search for a REXX 
>exec.
>
>If the flag is off, check the load libraries. If a match to the function name 
>is not found, search for a REXX program.
>
>If the flag is on, search for a REXX program. If a match to the function name 
>is not found, check the load libraries.
>
>By default, the FUNCSOFL flag is off, which means that load libraries are 
>searched before the search for a REXX exec.

¬R

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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Andrew Rowley]

On 8/05/2024 7:40 am, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:

EasySMF. Andrew Rowley may chip in here.


Thanks, yes EasySMF is another option.

There is a Windows based component with canned reports, and Java SMF API 
for customized reports that can run on z/OS.


I'm happy to work with you to reproduce some of your current reports 
with a free trial of the Java API, if that interests you.


More detail is available here:

https://www.blackhillsoftware.com/

Andrew Rowley

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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement -- Price reduction....

[Steve Thompson]

In another place where I worked, we set up a penalty LPAR. And 
since Vendors wanted to bill by MSUs. Well, that LPAR was 
limited to maybe 10 MSUs. As I recall, they only got the SCRT 
reports for that LPAR.


Just backing up what Paul said. And no, to my knowledge we didn't 
work at the same place.


Also we had a TPM and it was set to route those products to the 
penalty box/lpar, so there was no cheating.


Steve Thompson


On 5/7/2024 5:52 PM, Paul Feller wrote:

I'll go a little different route.  If the real issue is with the dollars for 
the software there is an interesting approach you could look at.

The place I worked at had setup some years ago several lpars that got grouped 
together in a softcap capacity group.  Then we forced jobs to run there based 
on the software they ran.  A good example for us was SAS and SAS/MXG stuff.  We 
had other software that also got forced there.  This allowed us to save money.  
Didn't have to pay SAS the full machine price for their software.

So, there are some things to consider.

You would need to have some spare MIPS and memory for two or three lpars on the 
same CEC.  We used three lpars.  One prod, one test and one for the systems 
programmers.

You would have to setup some type of routing scheme to get the jobs over to the 
lpars.  We used JES2 exits to do that.  This way we didn't have to change JCL 
to get the jobs run on those lpars.  Naturally you would either use shared 
spool or an NJE connection to get jobs routed and run.

It would be best if you are a sysplex so you could properly setup things like 
WLM and GRS and your security product.

There maybe some work for your scheduling software and maybe your spool offload 
product (if you have one).

You have to look at all the resources your SAS jobs need and how do you share 
those resources across lpars.

I'm sure I missed something to mention.

Yes, this is a bit of work to setup.

The up side is you now have a place to run things like SAS that maybe have low 
usage but high dollars.  I think we had someplace between 6 to 10 software 
products that we pushed to the environment.  Basically, low usage software that 
we needed but didn't like paying full price for.

Also, this assumes the software vendor plays nicely and agrees to charge based 
on the softcap.


Paul

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Bridges
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 4:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

I think I'm about to reveal my obsolescence:  Where my clients didn't use SAS, 
they mostly used DYL-280II or QuikJob.  Or REXX, of course.

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_Cobra_ by Timothy Zahn */

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raji ece
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:20 AM

We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system performance 
and to produce reports on daily basis.

There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.

We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.

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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Paul Feller]

I'll go a little different route.  If the real issue is with the dollars for 
the software there is an interesting approach you could look at.

The place I worked at had setup some years ago several lpars that got grouped 
together in a softcap capacity group.  Then we forced jobs to run there based 
on the software they ran.  A good example for us was SAS and SAS/MXG stuff.  We 
had other software that also got forced there.  This allowed us to save money.  
Didn't have to pay SAS the full machine price for their software.

So, there are some things to consider.

You would need to have some spare MIPS and memory for two or three lpars on the 
same CEC.  We used three lpars.  One prod, one test and one for the systems 
programmers.

You would have to setup some type of routing scheme to get the jobs over to the 
lpars.  We used JES2 exits to do that.  This way we didn't have to change JCL 
to get the jobs run on those lpars.  Naturally you would either use shared 
spool or an NJE connection to get jobs routed and run.

It would be best if you are a sysplex so you could properly setup things like 
WLM and GRS and your security product.

There maybe some work for your scheduling software and maybe your spool offload 
product (if you have one).

You have to look at all the resources your SAS jobs need and how do you share 
those resources across lpars.

I'm sure I missed something to mention.

Yes, this is a bit of work to setup.

The up side is you now have a place to run things like SAS that maybe have low 
usage but high dollars.  I think we had someplace between 6 to 10 software 
products that we pushed to the environment.  Basically, low usage software that 
we needed but didn't like paying full price for.

Also, this assumes the software vendor plays nicely and agrees to charge based 
on the softcap.


Paul

-Original Message-
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Bridges
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 4:23 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

I think I'm about to reveal my obsolescence:  Where my clients didn't use SAS, 
they mostly used DYL-280II or QuikJob.  Or REXX, of course.

---
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Jame, you don't really believe that sophistication implies depravity, do you?" 
/ "Of course not. But someone's bound to try and convince you that depravity 
implies sophistication."  From _Cobra_ by Timothy Zahn */

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raji ece
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:20 AM

We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system performance 
and to produce reports on daily basis.

There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.

We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.

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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Wayne Bickerdike]

EasySMF. Andrew Rowley may chip in here.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:23 AM Bob Bridges <
0587168ababf-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> I think I'm about to reveal my obsolescence:  Where my clients didn't use
> SAS, they mostly used DYL-280II or QuikJob.  Or REXX, of course.
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* Jonny snorted. "You mean out among the decadence of the big worlds?
> Come on, Jame, you don't really believe that sophistication implies
> depravity, do you?" / "Of course not. But someone's bound to try and
> convince you that depravity implies sophistication."  From _Cobra_ by
> Timothy Zahn */
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of raji ece
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:20 AM
>
> We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system
> performance and to produce reports on daily basis.
>
> There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.
>
> We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.
>
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Re: Execute Rexx from Cobol

[Bob Bridges]

Hah!  We had a similar problem a few months ago at my current client; after 
upgrading to z/OS 2.2, a REXX/ISPF app started bombing.  Many moons before I'd 
written an external exec and called it LOG; its only purpose is to send to the 
guy responsible for supporting that app (me, I mean) messages under certain 
circumstances so I could be apprised of problems.  Turns out that a new library 
in 2.2 has a load module named LOG, which was intercepting the old invocation.  
Easy fix: I just renamed the REXX module and updated the code to use the new 
name.  But it gave me a turn for a few days.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lars Höglund
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 14:27

We had a program called JOBINFO (in allocated STEPLIB) Didn't realize that 
jobinfo = jobinfo() in a Rexx will trying to start, and maybe executing the 
cobolmodule We also have a Rexx called jobinfo, and that the one I want to 
execute.

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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Bob Bridges]

I think I'm about to reveal my obsolescence:  Where my clients didn't use SAS, 
they mostly used DYL-280II or QuikJob.  Or REXX, of course.

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Jame, you don't really believe that sophistication implies depravity, do you?" 
/ "Of course not. But someone's bound to try and convince you that depravity 
implies sophistication."  From _Cobra_ by Timothy Zahn */

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
raji ece
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:20 AM

We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system performance 
and to produce reports on daily basis.

There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.

We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Albertus de Wet]

Yup, that's the company.
The newer "version" is SpecWriter - we use a different part of it - CIMS
Report Writer.


On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 2:09 PM Pommier, Rex  wrote:

> I know nothing about it, but there's a company called pacific systems
> (pacsys dot com) that has an SMF report writer called Spectrum SMF writer.
> We looked at one of their other products a couple years ago and it didn't
> fit our needs but you could check them out.
>
> Rex
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of raji ece
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 2:54 PM
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> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement
>
> The thing is we need a product that will extract the data from SMF and IMS
> SLDS logs and then write reports against it.
>
> Regards,
> Raji M
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024, 22:23 Allan Staller <
> 0632b4c7ca99-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > Classification: Confidential
> >
> > WPS is supposedly source compatible with SAS and last I looked (10+
> > years
> > ago) significantly less expensive. Barry has (last I heard) accepted
> > WPS as well as SAS.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Steve Thompson
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:45 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement
> >
> > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
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> > Computer.]
> >
> > Problem is "sas" being common to MICS and MXG. And the op's issue is a
> > problem that appears to be rooted in SAS.
> >
> > But I have a question about the problems with SAS, beyond licensing
> > and costs. What tech problem is being seen?
> >
> > Steve Thompson
> >
> > On 5/7/2024 9:22 AM, Allan Staller wrote:
> > > Classification: Confidential
> > >
> > > SAS - WPS, others,
> > > MICS - MXG, Several others
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
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> > > Behalf Of raji ece
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> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > Good Day!
> > >
> > > We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system
> > performance and to produce reports on daily basis.
> > >
> > > There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.
> > >
> > > We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions please.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Raji M
> > >
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Pommier, Rex]

I know nothing about it, but there's a company called pacific systems (pacsys 
dot com) that has an SMF report writer called Spectrum SMF writer.  We looked 
at one of their other products a couple years ago and it didn't fit our needs 
but you could check them out.

Rex

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The thing is we need a product that will extract the data from SMF and IMS SLDS 
logs and then write reports against it.

Regards,
Raji M

On Tue, May 7, 2024, 22:23 Allan Staller < 
0632b4c7ca99-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Classification: Confidential
>
> WPS is supposedly source compatible with SAS and last I looked (10+ 
> years
> ago) significantly less expensive. Barry has (last I heard) accepted 
> WPS as well as SAS.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Steve Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:45 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement
>
> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you 
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> Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your 
> Computer.]
>
> Problem is "sas" being common to MICS and MXG. And the op's issue is a 
> problem that appears to be rooted in SAS.
>
> But I have a question about the problems with SAS, beyond licensing 
> and costs. What tech problem is being seen?
>
> Steve Thompson
>
> On 5/7/2024 9:22 AM, Allan Staller wrote:
> > Classification: Confidential
> >
> > SAS - WPS, others,
> > MICS - MXG, Several others
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> > Behalf Of raji ece
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:20 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Mainframe performance tool replacement
> >
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> > a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise 
> > your Computer.]
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Good Day!
> >
> > We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system
> performance and to produce reports on daily basis.
> >
> > There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.
> >
> > We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.
> >
> > Any suggestions please.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Raji M
> >
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Re: Sv: Execute Rexx from Cobol

[Willy Jensen]

You found the solution, fine. Fyi, I recently wrote a assembler subroutine, it 
can be called from COBOL, C, PL/I and probably other, to access REXX variables 
and the TSO stack, and it can also start a REXX. It is available on request.

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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Albertus de Wet]

We uses a product called "CIMS Report Writer" to get the CICS records

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 1:54 PM raji ece <
05ff2ba04c83-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> The thing is we need a product that will extract the data from SMF and IMS
> SLDS logs and then write reports against it.
>
> Regards,
> Raji M
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024, 22:23 Allan Staller <
> 0632b4c7ca99-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > Classification: Confidential
> >
> > WPS is supposedly source compatible with SAS and last I looked (10+ years
> > ago) significantly less expensive. Barry has (last I heard) accepted WPS
> as
> > well as SAS.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> > Of Steve Thompson
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:45 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement
> >
> > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust
> > the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing
> > email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]
> >
> > Problem is "sas" being common to MICS and MXG. And the op's issue is a
> > problem that appears to be rooted in SAS.
> >
> > But I have a question about the problems with SAS, beyond licensing and
> > costs. What tech problem is being seen?
> >
> > Steve Thompson
> >
> > On 5/7/2024 9:22 AM, Allan Staller wrote:
> > > Classification: Confidential
> > >
> > > SAS - WPS, others,
> > > MICS - MXG, Several others
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[raji ece]

The thing is we need a product that will extract the data from SMF and IMS
SLDS logs and then write reports against it.

Regards,
Raji M

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> WPS is supposedly source compatible with SAS and last I looked (10+ years
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>
> But I have a question about the problems with SAS, beyond licensing and
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>
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>
> On 5/7/2024 9:22 AM, Allan Staller wrote:
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Re: Assembler/compiler fun

[Binyamin Dissen]

On Tue, 7 May 2024 12:58:22 -0400 Phil Smith III  wrote:

:>See code produced by different compilers. (Search for "s390x" in the "choose 
compiler" box to find the Z compilers)
:>https://godbolt.org/

:>What strange hobbies some people have! (I'm including myself there)

Do you have any particular interesting examples?

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Sv: Execute Rexx from Cobol

[Lars Höglund]

Seems that problem solved.

We had a program called JOBINFO (in allocated STEPLIB)
Didn't realize that jobinfo = jobinfo() in a Rexx will trying to start, and 
maybe executing the cobolmodule
We also have a Rexx called jobinfo, and that the one I want to execute.
//Lasse

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Ämne: Re: Execute Rexx from Cobol

On Tue, 7 May 2024 11:33:21 +, Lars Höglund  wrote:
> An error has occurred in Rexx module: XMAIL
> Error Type: SYNTAX
> Error Line Number : 299
>   Instruction   :   jobinfo = JOBINFO()
>   Return Code   : 44
>   Error Message text: Function did not return data

So, the error here is pure REXX and has nothing to do with the COBOL caller 
(except that maybe it didn't provide something in the argument that XMAIL 
expected, or didn't set up something in the environment that JOBINFO was 
looking for).

XMAIL called JOBINFO as a function, and JOBINFO didn't return data--not even a 
null value.  The main routine of JOBINFO must have an EXIT or RETURN 
instruction somewhere with no expression specified on it, or it reached the end 
of the exec without executing a RETURN or EXIT instruction at all.

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Sv: Execute Rexx from Cobol

[Lars Höglund]

I'll try that, but the problem for me is that my rexx is executing but stops 
(with error) when that rexx is trying to execute another rexx

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Lasse,

Try the example listed here.

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=service-cobol

Thanks,
Kolusu

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Assembler/compiler fun

[Phil Smith III]

See code produced by different compilers. (Search for "s390x" in the "choose 
compiler" box to find the Z compilers)
https://godbolt.org/

What strange hobbies some people have! (I'm including myself there)

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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Allan Staller]

Classification: Confidential

WPS is supposedly source compatible with SAS and last I looked (10+ years ago) 
significantly less expensive. Barry has (last I heard) accepted WPS as well as 
SAS.


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Problem is "sas" being common to MICS and MXG. And the op's issue is a problem 
that appears to be rooted in SAS.

But I have a question about the problems with SAS, beyond licensing and costs. 
What tech problem is being seen?

Steve Thompson

On 5/7/2024 9:22 AM, Allan Staller wrote:
> Classification: Confidential
>
> SAS - WPS, others,
> MICS - MXG, Several others
>
> HTH,
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of raji ece
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> Hello All,
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> Good Day!
>
> We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system 
> performance and to produce reports on daily basis.
>
> There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.
>
> We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.
>
> Any suggestions please.
>
> Regards,
> Raji M
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Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Jerry Whitteridge]

If you want to broaden your options you could take a look at Intellimagic. I 
used SAS/MICS/MXG for years but recently we are using the Intellimagic product 
and have been really happy with it.

Jerry Whitteridge
Sr Manager Managed Services
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
480 578 7889

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Food for thought, while MICS is tied to running on z/OS, SAS runs on
multiple platforms.  So you might consider a MICS to MXG conversion
and shifting to a Windows/Unix platform for the core processing and
subsequent data analysis and reporting.

Michael

At 08:20 AM 5/7/2024, raji wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>Good Day!
>
>We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system
>performance and to produce reports on daily basis.
>
>There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.
>
>We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.
>
>Any suggestions please.
>
>Regards,
>Raji M
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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Michael Oujesky]

Food for thought, while MICS is tied to running on z/OS, SAS runs on 
multiple platforms.  So you might consider a MICS to MXG conversion 
and shifting to a Windows/Unix platform for the core processing and 
subsequent data analysis and reporting.


Michael

At 08:20 AM 5/7/2024, raji wrote:


Hello All,

Good Day!

We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system
performance and to produce reports on daily basis.

There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.

We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.

Any suggestions please.

Regards,
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Re: Execute Rexx from Cobol

[Glenn Knickerbocker]

On Tue, 7 May 2024 11:33:21 +, Lars Höglund  wrote:
> An error has occurred in Rexx module: XMAIL
> Error Type: SYNTAX
> Error Line Number : 299
>   Instruction   :   jobinfo = JOBINFO()
>   Return Code   : 44
>   Error Message text: Function did not return data

So, the error here is pure REXX and has nothing to do with the COBOL caller 
(except that maybe it didn't provide something in the argument that XMAIL 
expected, or didn't set up something in the environment that JOBINFO was 
looking for).

XMAIL called JOBINFO as a function, and JOBINFO didn't return data--not even a 
null value.  The main routine of JOBINFO must have an EXIT or RETURN 
instruction somewhere with no expression specified on it, or it reached the end 
of the exec without executing a RETURN or EXIT instruction at all.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Pommier, Rex]

I evaluated WPS several years ago (like 15 or so) and at the time it used 
significantly more CPU than SAS did.  I'm sure it has improved since then.  

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And MXG uses SAS anyway.

Doug Fuerst



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>MICS - MXG, Several others
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>HTH,
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>and to produce reports on daily basis.
>
>There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.
>
>We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.
>
>Any suggestions please.
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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Scott Barry]

One primary technical challenge to overcome is to assess how/what SAS is being 
used within your enterprise, that being beyond MICS, MXG, or otherwise ?  And 
as well you will need/want to ascertain how MICS is (or is not) benefiting your 
systems performance user community, that being to include and beyond Z systems 
performance / capacity planning / audit-compliance / service / 
chargeback-showback or otherwise some type of enterprise mgmt reporting.  And 
do consider that you will want to engage management and other team-areas with 
making such an assessment, before embarking on any type of "replacement 
solution" investigation effort.

For a MICS-to-MXG and/or a SAS-to-Altair(WPS) on z/OS, it is not simply a 
matter of drag-and-drop - size matters and likely you will embark on a 
months-long migration-effort to some positive outcome, regardless.  Mgmt buy-in 
is critical, given the anticipated short-term cost vs say the long-term 
software-renewal savings consideration.

But in the end, do realize that it can be doneand has !!

Scott Barry
SBBTech LLC


On Tue, 7 May 2024 18:50:25 +0530, raji ece  wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>Good Day!
>
>We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system
>performance and to produce reports on daily basis.
>
>There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.
>
>We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.
>
>Any suggestions please.
>
>Regards,
>Raji M
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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Doug Fuerst]

And MXG uses SAS anyway.

Doug Fuerst



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Classification: Confidential

SAS - WPS, others,
MICS - MXG, Several others

HTH,

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Good Day!

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and to produce reports on daily basis.

There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.

We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.

Any suggestions please.

Regards,
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Re: Execute Rexx from Cobol

[Steve Thompson]

I see that Sri Hari Kolusu posted before I got done.

But here is another set of things you may want to look at 
(assuming you haven't already): EAGGXOB in prefix.SEAGSAM. It has 
a sample for setting up to invoke REXX from a COBOL program. [our 
system is in the process of migrating, so certain libraries are 
not available to me now, so I can't find the "prefix" for SEAGSAM 
so I could copy the sample to here.]


For tracing purposes, in the called REXX that does not return 
with a value, put in a "TS" (Trace Start). This will cause trace 
to run in a non-interactive environment. To stop it  use "TE" 
(Trace End). In my case, this writes out to SYSTSPRT.


I hope this helps you.

Steve Thompson


On 5/7/2024 7:33 AM, Lars Höglund wrote:

Hi
Trying to execute a Rexx from my Cobol program by using IRXEXEC and IKJTSOEV

The Rexx starts and executes ok until that Rexx is calling another Rexx (in the 
same library, allocated to SYSEXEC) that shall return a value, but I'm getting

An error has occurred in Rexx module: XMAIL
Error Type: SYNTAX
Error Line Number : 299
Instruction   :   jobinfo = JOBINFO()
Return Code   : 44
Error Message text: Function did not return data

Running the same Rexx in ISPF or TSO, it works just fine

I have also a trace in the called Rexx but nothing shows, probably isn't the 
Rexx starting
The ddname-parameter is set to space
move space  to  execblk-ddname *> default SYSEXEC

Any suggestions

//Lasse



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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Steve Thompson]

Problem is "sas" being common to MICS and MXG. And the op's issue 
is a problem that appears to be rooted in SAS.


But I have a question about the problems with SAS, beyond 
licensing and costs. What tech problem is being seen?


Steve Thompson

On 5/7/2024 9:22 AM, Allan Staller wrote:

Classification: Confidential

SAS - WPS, others,
MICS - MXG, Several others

HTH,

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Hello All,

Good Day!

We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system performance 
and to produce reports on daily basis.

There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.

We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.

Any suggestions please.

Regards,
Raji M

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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[David Spiegel]

IZPCA is not exactly the same, but, is functionally equivalent.

On 2024-05-07 09:20, raji ece wrote:

Hello All,

Good Day!

We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system
performance and to produce reports on daily basis.

There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.

We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.

Any suggestions please.

Regards,
Raji M

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Re: Mainframe performance tool replacement

[Allan Staller]

Classification: Confidential

SAS - WPS, others,
MICS - MXG, Several others

HTH,

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
raji ece
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Mainframe performance tool replacement

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Hello All,

Good Day!

We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system performance 
and to produce reports on daily basis.

There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.

We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.

Any suggestions please.

Regards,
Raji M

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Mainframe performance tool replacement

[raji ece]

Hello All,

Good Day!

We have been running with SAS and MICS software to analysis system
performance and to produce reports on daily basis.

There is a situation to come out of using SAS due to many reasons.

We would like to know the alternate product for this SAS and MICS.

Any suggestions please.

Regards,
Raji M

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Re: Execute Rexx from Cobol

[Sri Hari Kolusu]

Lasse,

Try the example listed here.

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=service-cobol

Thanks,
Kolusu

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Re: SYNCSORT question - how to specify different sorting parameters for JOIN input files F1/F2

[Massimo Biancucci]

Hi,

AFAIK most of the directive can be used into a JNFxCNTL.
For instance, I use INREC and SUM FIELDS as well.
When in doubt, try and look at the messages in case of error.

I'm pretty sure guys from Precisely could do better with manuals.

Best regards.
Max




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Il giorno lun 6 mag 2024 alle ore 19:18 Farley, Peter <
031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> ha scritto:

> This is a question specific to the SYNCSORT product, not a general SORT
> question.
>
> I do not have access to question the Syncsort support team, and I cannot
> see from the latest programmer's guide for the product (Syncsort MFX
> Programmer's Guide, Version 3.1) what the answer to this question is, so I
> am asking here for help from anyone already knowledgeable in the product.
>
> IBM's DFSORT allows one to specify DD statements JNF1CNTL and JNF2CNTL to
> enter different sorting parameters for the two JOIN input files.  As far as
> I can tell from both manual reading and from a few practical attempts,
> SYNCSORT does NOT support those DD statements.
>
> How does one perform the DFSORT-equivalent function of JNF1CNTL and
> JNF2CNTL using SYNCSORT?  I.E., how do I enter sorting control statements
> (INCLUDE/OMIT. INREC, SORT or OPTION COPY, etc.) separately for JOIN files
> F1 and F2?
>
> TIA for any light you can shed on this specific area.
>
> Peter
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Execute Rexx from Cobol

[Lars Höglund]

Hi
Trying to execute a Rexx from my Cobol program by using IRXEXEC and IKJTSOEV

The Rexx starts and executes ok until that Rexx is calling another Rexx (in the 
same library, allocated to SYSEXEC) that shall return a value, but I'm getting

An error has occurred in Rexx module: XMAIL
   Error Type: SYNTAX
   Error Line Number : 299
   Instruction   :   jobinfo = JOBINFO()
   Return Code   : 44
   Error Message text: Function did not return data

Running the same Rexx in ISPF or TSO, it works just fine

I have also a trace in the called Rexx but nothing shows, probably isn't the 
Rexx starting
The ddname-parameter is set to space
move space  to  execblk-ddname *> default SYSEXEC

Any suggestions

//Lasse



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