Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Harris Morgenstern]

Just to summarize:

MODIFY AXR,SR STOPTSO  - Prevents TSO=YES execs from running and 
eliminates the AXRxx address spaces
STOP AXR -  Stops all System REXX activity i.e. the AXR address space + 
AXRxx address spaces all terminate

Both of these commands wait for in-progress work to complete.   FORCE 
AXR,ARM can be used to 
terminate System REXX, but it's not recommended since asynchronously 
abending tasks in 
the AXR or AXRxx address spaces may produce unexpected results. 


Harris Morgenstern
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[R.S.]

Amen to that.
However I understood Steve's word as a sarcasm. Maybe I was wrong.
Obviously I don't like CANCEL, FORCE ARM and FORCE in normal procedures.

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W dniu 25.08.2020 o 04:10, Joel C. Ewing pisze:

It's part of that generic MVS principle from at least the 1970's, if not
earlier, that things that can be shut down cleanly before an IPL should
be, to minimize partially completed transactions, partial updates to a
collection of related data sets, database updates that haven't yet
reached a commit point, records written to output data sets but not yet
flushed from buffers to DASD, subsystems left in a state which makes
restart more difficult, etc, etc.

When you have no idea what some system address space is doing under the
covers, you have no way to know whether it has potential to be a problem
or not, unless lack of exposure is explicitly stated somewhere, or it is
just impossible to terminate.   And obviously you don't want system
address spaces that you can't easily terminate if they could in turn
prevent the normal shutdown of JES or some other system address space
that benefits from a controlled shutdown.

Yes, a forced IPL or "pulling the plug" with things still running
certainly resets all running address spaces,  but the potential for
increased DB2 recovery time and potential need to recover damaged or
inconsistent tables and data sets, and the possibility of JES job output
on DASD not even accurately reflecting what batch job step was running
at the point of interruption when restarting rudely interrupted jobs
makes that a less-than-optimum approach that can potentially delay by
many minutes the availability of a system for production usage after an
IPL.   At a minimum you want to be able to quiesce any address spaces
that are processing end-user transactions or jobs, or processing service
requests in support of that workload (and the number of z/OS address
spaces in that latter category seems to be continually growing).

Every SysProg I've known always believed you minimized your pain by
always doing a controlled shutdown of as much as possible before
"pulling the plug", but I suspect most have also encountered occasional
cases where some software, hardware, or environmental issue didn't offer
much of a choice.
     Joel C Ewing

On 8/24/20 11:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote:

I'm not clear on why you all would care about shutting them down for an
IPL.  IPL is 100% effective in removing unwanted processes.

sas





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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Barbara Nitz]

>https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ieag100/paxr.htm
>
>FORCE AXR,ARM does the same things, but in a slightly less graceful way...

Must have come in via ptf after I downloaded the manuals when z/OS 2.4 came 
out. My versions don't show it.

Just tried 
F AXR,SR STOPTSO 
AXR0214I SYSREXX STOPTSO IS ACCEPTED.  ALL SUBSEQUENT TSO=YES
REQUESTS WILL BE REJECTED

That's all I need. Will tell my automation guy to put it into the shutdown 
sequence right after health checker is taken down.
That is z/OS 2.3 at ptf level 2006. I wonder if it already worked at 1912 - 
production is still at 1912 and will get refreshed this Saturday.

Sorry to the OP for hijacking this thread, I learned something new!

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Joel C. Ewing]

It's part of that generic MVS principle from at least the 1970's, if not
earlier, that things that can be shut down cleanly before an IPL should
be, to minimize partially completed transactions, partial updates to a
collection of related data sets, database updates that haven't yet
reached a commit point, records written to output data sets but not yet
flushed from buffers to DASD, subsystems left in a state which makes
restart more difficult, etc, etc. 

When you have no idea what some system address space is doing under the
covers, you have no way to know whether it has potential to be a problem
or not, unless lack of exposure is explicitly stated somewhere, or it is
just impossible to terminate.   And obviously you don't want system
address spaces that you can't easily terminate if they could in turn
prevent the normal shutdown of JES or some other system address space
that benefits from a controlled shutdown.

Yes, a forced IPL or "pulling the plug" with things still running
certainly resets all running address spaces,  but the potential for
increased DB2 recovery time and potential need to recover damaged or
inconsistent tables and data sets, and the possibility of JES job output
on DASD not even accurately reflecting what batch job step was running
at the point of interruption when restarting rudely interrupted jobs
makes that a less-than-optimum approach that can potentially delay by
many minutes the availability of a system for production usage after an
IPL.   At a minimum you want to be able to quiesce any address spaces
that are processing end-user transactions or jobs, or processing service
requests in support of that workload (and the number of z/OS address
spaces in that latter category seems to be continually growing).

Every SysProg I've known always believed you minimized your pain by
always doing a controlled shutdown of as much as possible before
"pulling the plug", but I suspect most have also encountered occasional
cases where some software, hardware, or environmental issue didn't offer
much of a choice. 
    Joel C Ewing

On 8/24/20 11:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> I'm not clear on why you all would care about shutting them down for an
> IPL.  IPL is 100% effective in removing unwanted processes.
>
> sas
>

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:05:31 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:

>I'm not clear on why you all would care about shutting them down for an
>IPL.  IPL is 100% effective in removing unwanted processes.
> 
But could they shut down in an orderly fashion?

I have long wondered that the OS doesn't throw SIGTERM to all dubbed
processes for compatibility with long-running processes (perhaps daemons)
coded to UNIX conventions.

Experts tell me, however, this would cause chaos for blind-dubbed processes.

But perhaps processes started with the POSIX attribute?

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Steve Smith]

I'm not clear on why you all would care about shutting them down for an
IPL.  IPL is 100% effective in removing unwanted processes.

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Aug 24, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Tom Conley  wrote:
> 
> Does it only work in V2R4?  I know in V2R3, I still have to issue C AXRxx 
> from time to time to make sure all the little buggers are gone.

We’re still at 2.3, and I tried it and it worked. I don’t apply PTFs for z/OS 
and can’t say for sure, but this may have been added with some maintenance.


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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Ed Jaffe]

On 8/24/2020 8:27 AM, Tom Conley wrote:


Ed,

Does it only work in V2R4?  I know in V2R3, I still have to issue C 
AXRxx from time to time to make sure all the little buggers are gone.



I have been using FORCE AXR,ARM since SystemRexx first came out in z/OS 
1.9 and it has always shut down the AXRnn address spaces as expected.


I learned about P AXR from Itschak Mugzach during this discussion. He 
says it is z/OS 2.2 and higher. It's nice that it shuts things down 
cleanly and I will definitely use that if I need to take down AXR 
between IPLs.


However, after reflecting on this over the weekend, I think I will keep 
using FORCE,ARM during re-IPL shutdown because I really don't want 
someone's REXX holding up that process...



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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Harris Morgenstern]

As of  V2R2,  you can issue  F AXR,SR STOPTSO  to terminate all AXRxx 
address spaces;  this cmd is  useful if you're using System REXX to 
terminate 
the primary subsystem.  Any future AXREXX requests issued with TSO=YES
will be rejected. 


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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Tom Conley]

On 8/24/2020 11:11 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 8/23/2020 9:25 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does 
NOT show up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3.


P AXR shuts down all AXRnn address spaces gracefully and is fully 
documented here:


https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ieag100/paxr.htm 



FORCE AXR,ARM does the same things, but in a slightly less graceful way...




Ed,

Does it only work in V2R4?  I know in V2R3, I still have to issue C 
AXRxx from time to time to make sure all the little buggers are gone.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Ed Jaffe]

On 8/23/2020 9:25 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does 
NOT show up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3.


P AXR shuts down all AXRnn address spaces gracefully and is fully 
documented here:


https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ieag100/paxr.htm

FORCE AXR,ARM does the same things, but in a slightly less graceful way...


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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Dana Mitchell]

Barbara, 
P AXR does appear in z/OS System Commands SA38-0666-40   and does show up in my 
recently downloaded kc4z  V2.4.  

As far as the command taking down AXRxx's,  it sounds like it will:

The STOP AXR command terminates System REXX in a graceful manner, waiting for 
active requests to
complete before terminating the address space. If active requests do not 
complete within a period of
approximately 1 minute after the command is issued, the command fails.

Dana  

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 23:25:20 -0500, Barbara Nitz  wrote:

>
>As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does NOT 
>show up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3. Since we live 
>happily *without* taking down AXR, will F AXR,STOPTSO do the trick of getting 
>rid of AXRxx's? *That* is documented!
>
>Regards, Barbara
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Tom Conley]

Harris,

that's fine if it were *my* REXX that is causing the AXRxx to get started. 
Nobody except the *IBM* Health checker is currently using System REXX in my 
installation. I have no control whatsoever over TSO=YES/NO, as I am guessing 
the TSO=YES is needed for whatever health checker wants to do. So I still 
object to AXRxx address spaces NOT showing up on a D A,L. That is making system 
shutdown unnecessarily complex and hangs up JES2 shutdown every time one of 
these things is kept around.

As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does NOT show 
up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3. Since we live happily 
*without* taking down AXR, will F AXR,STOPTSO do the trick of getting rid of 
AXRxx's? *That* is documented!

Regards, Barbara



Barbara,

You go girl, my sentiments exactly.  I added this to my shutdown:

C AXR01
C AXR02
C AXR03
C AXR04
C AXR05
C AXR06
C AXR07
C AXR08
C AXR09
C AXR10

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Barbara Nitz]

>The AXR address space (System REXX) is started with SUB=MSTR.   REXX execs 
>that 
>that are started via AXREXX TSO=NO, run in the AXR address space.   On the 
>other hand,
>REXX execs that are started via AXREXX TSO=YES run in a AXRnn address 
>space 
>which is started under the primary subsystem. 

Harris,

that's fine if it were *my* REXX that is causing the AXRxx to get started. 
Nobody except the *IBM* Health checker is currently using System REXX in my 
installation. I have no control whatsoever over TSO=YES/NO, as I am guessing 
the TSO=YES is needed for whatever health checker wants to do. So I still 
object to AXRxx address spaces NOT showing up on a D A,L. That is making system 
shutdown unnecessarily complex and hangs up JES2 shutdown every time one of 
these things is kept around.

As for P AXR - will that take down the AXRxx's, too? This command does NOT show 
up in the 2.4 System Commands manual, much less 2.3. Since we live happily 
*without* taking down AXR, will F AXR,STOPTSO do the trick of getting rid of 
AXRxx's? *That* is documented!

Regards, Barbara

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2020-08-20 15:33, Lionel B Dyck wrote:

And if so where would that be changed as I can't find where it is started
now?


What's the problem you're trying to solve?

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Ed Jaffe]

On 8/21/2020 1:02 AM, Itschak Mugzach wrote:

Axr will shut down by a stop command. No violence needed -)



Thanks for that. I see that functionality was added fairly recently.

Our automation for this was established a long, long time ago.


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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

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The AXR address space (System REXX) is started with SUB=MSTR.   REXX execs 
that 
that are started via AXREXX TSO=NO, run in the AXR address space.   On the 
other hand,
REXX execs that are started via AXREXX TSO=YES run in a AXRnn address 
space 
which is started under the primary subsystem. 

If you're starting a REXX exec from an MVS Console and want to ensure that 
the exec
runs in the AXR address space (SUB=MSTR), issue the exec using the TSO=NO 
option 
i.e. MODIFY AXR,,TSO=NO


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You are correct - AXR itself runs under MSTR but the spawned AXR## are running 
under JES.

That is what I meant to ask but my thinking at the time was it all ran under 
JES until you asked your question.


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At our house, System REXX already runs under MSTR (under 2.2 and 2.4); we never 
did anything to make it that way that I remember.  I'm more curious what you 
all did to make it _not_ run under MSTR.  Do you have an AXR proc?  If so, does 
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>Just add a "FORCE AXR,ARM" command to your shutdown automation.

That would require RACF to allow automation to issue a force command (yes, I 
know I can set it MVS.FORCEARM.STC.AXR*.* specifically). I have been at great 
pains to install a policy where Automation is not even allowed to cancel, much 
less force anything. Not that I am very successful now that I'm not responsible 
for RACF anymore.

I still think that AXR and its AXRnn should show up on a D A,L. As long as they 
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At our house, System REXX already runs under MSTR (under 2.2 and 2.4); we never 
did anything to make it that way that I remember.  I'm more curious what you 
all did to make it _not_ run under MSTR.  Do you have an AXR proc?  If so, does 
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>Just add a "FORCE AXR,ARM" command to your shutdown automation.

That would require RACF to allow automation to issue a force command (yes, I 
know I can set it MVS.FORCEARM.STC.AXR*.* specifically). I have been at great 
pains to install a policy where Automation is not even allowed to cancel, much 
less force anything. Not that I am very successful now that I'm not responsible 
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I still think that AXR and its AXRnn should show up on a D A,L. As long as they 
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Itschak Mugzach]

AXR Stop command introduced in z/os 2.2.
בתאריך יום ו׳, 21 באוג׳ 2020, 11:13, מאת Mike Shorkend ‏<
mike.shork...@gmail.com>:

> STOP AXR or P AXR to stop system rexx, only came around in z/OS 2.4. Anyone
> not yet there will have to use the force command.
>
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 11:02, Itschak Mugzach <
> 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > Axr will shut down by a stop command. No violence needed -)
> >
> > בתאריך יום ו׳, 21 באוג׳ 2020, 6:48, מאת Barbara Nitz ‏ >:
> >
> > > >Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to
> > > get?
> > >
> > > Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just
> > so
> > > it doesn't screw up JES2 shutdown every time. The dumb things (AXRxx)
> do
> > > NOT show up on a D A,L command (neither does AXR itself), so
> > alternatively
> > > they SHOULD show up just to make it easier. Right now the first
> > indication
> > > I get is when JES2 refuses to terminate. As far as I know, the xx can
> be
> > > just about any number, and short of having automation do contortions to
> > > find the correct number and then terminate the thing, I'm stuck.
> Besides,
> > > the AXRxx aren't always there. Seems to have something to do with
> health
> > > checker using system REXX.
> > >
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Mike Shorkend]

STOP AXR or P AXR to stop system rexx, only came around in z/OS 2.4. Anyone
not yet there will have to use the force command.

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 11:02, Itschak Mugzach <
0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Axr will shut down by a stop command. No violence needed -)
>
> בתאריך יום ו׳, 21 באוג׳ 2020, 6:48, מאת Barbara Nitz ‏:
>
> > >Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to
> > get?
> >
> > Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just
> so
> > it doesn't screw up JES2 shutdown every time. The dumb things (AXRxx) do
> > NOT show up on a D A,L command (neither does AXR itself), so
> alternatively
> > they SHOULD show up just to make it easier. Right now the first
> indication
> > I get is when JES2 refuses to terminate. As far as I know, the xx can be
> > just about any number, and short of having automation do contortions to
> > find the correct number and then terminate the thing, I'm stuck. Besides,
> > the AXRxx aren't always there. Seems to have something to do with health
> > checker using system REXX.
> >
> > Regards, Barbara
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Itschak Mugzach]

Axr will shut down by a stop command. No violence needed -)

בתאריך יום ו׳, 21 באוג׳ 2020, 6:48, מאת Barbara Nitz ‏:

> >Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to
> get?
>
> Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just so
> it doesn't screw up JES2 shutdown every time. The dumb things (AXRxx) do
> NOT show up on a D A,L command (neither does AXR itself), so alternatively
> they SHOULD show up just to make it easier. Right now the first indication
> I get is when JES2 refuses to terminate. As far as I know, the xx can be
> just about any number, and short of having automation do contortions to
> find the correct number and then terminate the thing, I'm stuck. Besides,
> the AXRxx aren't always there. Seems to have something to do with health
> checker using system REXX.
>
> Regards, Barbara
>
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Barbara Nitz]

>Just add a "FORCE AXR,ARM" command to your shutdown automation.

That would require RACF to allow automation to issue a force command (yes, I 
know I can set it MVS.FORCEARM.STC.AXR*.* specifically). I have been at great 
pains to install a policy where Automation is not even allowed to cancel, much 
less force anything. Not that I am very successful now that I'm not responsible 
for RACF anymore.

I still think that AXR and its AXRnn should show up on a D A,L. As long as they 
run under the JES subsystem.

Regards, Barbara

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Gibney, Dave]

My new shutdown automation, IS AXR. I did a loop to C AXR10 to 01, but I have 
to identify and skip the one I'm running in. 

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> On 8/20/2020 8:47 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote:
> >> Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to get?
> > Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just so 
> > it
> doesn't screw up JES2 shutdown every time. The dumb things (AXRxx) do
> NOT show up on a D A,L command (neither does AXR itself), so alternatively
> they SHOULD show up just to make it easier. Right now the first indication I
> get is when JES2 refuses to terminate. As far as I know, the xx can be just
> about any number, and short of having automation do contortions to find the
> correct number and then terminate the thing, I'm stuck. Besides, the AXRxx
> aren't always there. Seems to have something to do with health checker
> using system REXX.
> 
> 
> Just add a "FORCE AXR,ARM" command to your shutdown automation.
> 
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

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On 8/20/2020 8:47 PM, Barbara Nitz wrote:

Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to get?

Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just so it 
doesn't screw up JES2 shutdown every time. The dumb things (AXRxx) do NOT show 
up on a D A,L command (neither does AXR itself), so alternatively they SHOULD 
show up just to make it easier. Right now the first indication I get is when 
JES2 refuses to terminate. As far as I know, the xx can be just about any 
number, and short of having automation do contortions to find the correct 
number and then terminate the thing, I'm stuck. Besides, the AXRxx aren't 
always there. Seems to have something to do with health checker using system 
REXX.



Just add a "FORCE AXR,ARM" command to your shutdown automation.


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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Barbara Nitz]

>Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to get?

Not sure about the OP, but I would like to start it sub=mstr, too, just so it 
doesn't screw up JES2 shutdown every time. The dumb things (AXRxx) do NOT show 
up on a D A,L command (neither does AXR itself), so alternatively they SHOULD 
show up just to make it easier. Right now the first indication I get is when 
JES2 refuses to terminate. As far as I know, the xx can be just about any 
number, and short of having automation do contortions to find the correct 
number and then terminate the thing, I'm stuck. Besides, the AXRxx aren't 
always there. Seems to have something to do with health checker using system 
REXX.

Regards, Barbara

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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[ITschak Mugzach]

Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are you trying to get?

ITschak
בתאריך יום ה׳, 20 באוג׳ 2020, 22:33, מאת Lionel B Dyck ‏:

> And if so where would that be changed as I can't find where it is started
> now?
>
>
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Re: Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Itschak Mugzach]

Systemrexx is started automatically during IPL. What are the advantage of
running systemrexx under the mstr subsys?

ITs hak
בתאריך יום ה׳, 20 באוג׳ 2020, 22:33, מאת Lionel B Dyck ‏:

> And if so where would that be changed as I can't find where it is started
> now?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
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Can System REXX run Sub=MSTR ??

[Lionel B Dyck]

And if so where would that be changed as I can't find where it is started
now?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

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