Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 19:51:17 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 00:50:09 +, Edward Finnell wrote: > >>All of Lionel's software is at www.lbdsoftware.com >> >>IPLINFO is a Mark Zelden creation >>athttp://www.mzelden.com/mvsfiles/iplinfo.txtIn a message dated 12/18/2019 >>6:31:25 PM >> >I see: http://mzelden.com/mvsfiles/iplinfo.txt > Normally I just point people to my web site that has all the files and descriptions. http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html IPLINFO can be found in the "EXECs/CLISTs" section and there are links on the left side of the page to various sections. Browser "find" commands work too. As far as what the OP wants, you can display IEASYSxx parms from the IPA with: TSO %IPLINFO IPA Happy Holidays and New Year to the IBM-MAIN community!! Cheers, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS ITIL v3 Foundation Certified mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://search390.techtarget.com/ateExperts/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Hi Json, Start with SYS1.SAMPLIB(SPPINST). it demonstrate how to perform syntax verification for several parmlib members. I think that you better consider change control over comparison of active configuration with the static one using product such as event action. Sorry for misleading. IPL INFO at http://mzelden.com/mvsfiles/iplinfo.txt is made by Mark Zelden. Best, ITschak On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jason Cai wrote: > Dear ITschak > It is great that you do that in your production! > I couldn't find Lionel Dyke's IPLINFO,could you tell where I can down > it? > You are right that we need to parse the the output from the display > and compare same value in the parmlib. I know some Python . In Python we > could define dictionary(key:value). The token you mean key and value? > Could you share any code snips for parse and compare part ? > > Thanks a lot! > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 00:50:09 +, Edward Finnell wrote: >All of Lionel's software is at www.lbdsoftware.com > >IPLINFO is a Mark Zelden creation >athttp://www.mzelden.com/mvsfiles/iplinfo.txtIn a message dated 12/18/2019 >6:31:25 PM > I see: http://mzelden.com/mvsfiles/iplinfo.txt > ... Central Standard Time, ibmm...@foxmail.com writes: > I couldn't find Lionel Dyke's IPLINFO,could you tell where I can down it? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
All of Lionel's software is at www.lbdsoftware.com IPLINFO is a Mark Zelden creation athttp://www.mzelden.com/mvsfiles/iplinfo.txtIn a message dated 12/18/2019 6:31:25 PM Central Standard Time, ibmm...@foxmail.com writes: I couldn't find Lionel Dyke's IPLINFO,could you tell where I can down it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Well, there is the IBM Command IPLINFO, and it might show the values you want to capture. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ieag100/d3ipl.htm But I think you want to check out http://mzelden.com/mvsfiles/iplinfo.txt which is also posted to CBTTAPE.http://www.cbttape.org/relchgs.htm scroll to file434 on http://www.cbttape.org/cbtdowns.htm . On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:05 PM Jason Cai wrote: > > Dear ITschak > It is great that you do that in your production! > I couldn't find Lionel Dyke's IPLINFO,could you tell where I can down it? > You are right that we need to parse the the output from the display and > compare same value in the parmlib. I know some Python . In Python we could > define dictionary(key:value). The token you mean key and value? > Could you share any code snips for parse and compare part ? > > Thanks a lot! > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
There are a lot of system interfaces for returning settings; I'd advise using such commands as DISPLAY and QUERY only when there isn't a more stable way to get the data. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jason Cai Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 5:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member Dear ITschak It is great that you do that in your production! I couldn't find Lionel Dyke's IPLINFO,could you tell where I can down it? You are right that we need to parse the the output from the display and compare same value in the parmlib. I know some Python . In Python we could define dictionary(key:value). The token you mean key and value? Could you share any code snips for parse and compare part ? Thanks a lot! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Dear ITschak It is great that you do that in your production! I couldn't find Lionel Dyke's IPLINFO,could you tell where I can down it? You are right that we need to parse the the output from the display and compare same value in the parmlib. I know some Python . In Python we could define dictionary(key:value). The token you mean key and value? Could you share any code snips for parse and compare part ? Thanks a lot! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Tracking changes (with a suitable tool) might be feasible. What you'll miss, however, is changes to product defaults. No one specifies every possible value. Sometimes the vendor changes a default or more often adds a new parameter/default that will not show up in a simple comparison with your parameter library. This is a highly nontrivial task. ;--( . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member You better track changes to system datasets with a product such as EventAction, instead of trying to perform a compare active to passive configuration. There are some exceptions to what you monitor. TCPIP OBEY command allows you to specify your private library, but most others are quite known (parmlib concatenation, etc.) ITschak On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:57 PM Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > We've had enough bad weather around the world that raining on yet > another parade seems cruel and unusual. Nonetheless, I have to opine > that this quest is hopeless. So far I've not seen any product named. > Even as mature and well-defined a product as JES does not provide its > own parameter sanity checker. And when you've knocked yourself out for > JES, you can start working on the product. From scratch. Hopeless. > > > . > . > J.O.Skip Robinson > Southern California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 323-715-0595 Mobile > 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW > robin...@sce.com > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 12:44 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: (External):Re: how to compare active parameter with the > parameter in member > > Jason, > > We do that in our product (not selling you anything), and it is not easy. > some of the parameters are not displayed in the command and need > deeper investigation. In general, you do not compare syntax, but > tokens. for example, you need to parse the the output from the display > and compare same value in the parmlib. many parameters are represented > in strings of characters (see TCP NETSTAT output) for example. > > Ivf you narrow your concern to a specific parmlib, we can give you > some advice and even some code snips. A good starting point is Lionel > Dyke's IPLINFO. Great coder and great code. > > ITschak > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:43 PM Jason Cai wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > You gave me many good ideas,many thanks! > > > > We want to develop this tool to compare them. > > Depend on system and subsystem,we could issue many D or $D command. > > Because there are mash of these output and the format of output > > is different with the parmlib members,how to compare them quickly? > > Is there any good way to convert output of command to the format > > of the parmlib members? > > > > Thanks! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
You better track changes to system datasets with a product such as EventAction, instead of trying to perform a compare active to passive configuration. There are some exceptions to what you monitor. TCPIP OBEY command allows you to specify your private library, but most others are quite known (parmlib concatenation, etc.) ITschak On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:57 PM Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > We've had enough bad weather around the world that raining on yet another > parade seems cruel and unusual. Nonetheless, I have to opine that this > quest is hopeless. So far I've not seen any product named. Even as mature > and well-defined a product as JES does not provide its own parameter sanity > checker. And when you've knocked yourself out for JES, you can start > working on the product. From scratch. Hopeless. > > > . > . > J.O.Skip Robinson > Southern California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 323-715-0595 Mobile > 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW > robin...@sce.com > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 12:44 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: (External):Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter > in member > > Jason, > > We do that in our product (not selling you anything), and it is not easy. > some of the parameters are not displayed in the command and need deeper > investigation. In general, you do not compare syntax, but tokens. for > example, you need to parse the the output from the display and compare same > value in the parmlib. many parameters are represented in strings of > characters (see TCP NETSTAT output) for example. > > Ivf you narrow your concern to a specific parmlib, we can give you some > advice and even some code snips. A good starting point is Lionel Dyke's > IPLINFO. Great coder and great code. > > ITschak > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:43 PM Jason Cai wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > You gave me many good ideas,many thanks! > > > > We want to develop this tool to compare them. > > Depend on system and subsystem,we could issue many D or $D command. > > Because there are mash of these output and the format of output > > is different with the parmlib members,how to compare them quickly? > > Is there any good way to convert output of command to the format > > of the parmlib members? > > > > Thanks! > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
We've had enough bad weather around the world that raining on yet another parade seems cruel and unusual. Nonetheless, I have to opine that this quest is hopeless. So far I've not seen any product named. Even as mature and well-defined a product as JES does not provide its own parameter sanity checker. And when you've knocked yourself out for JES, you can start working on the product. From scratch. Hopeless. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 12:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member Jason, We do that in our product (not selling you anything), and it is not easy. some of the parameters are not displayed in the command and need deeper investigation. In general, you do not compare syntax, but tokens. for example, you need to parse the the output from the display and compare same value in the parmlib. many parameters are represented in strings of characters (see TCP NETSTAT output) for example. Ivf you narrow your concern to a specific parmlib, we can give you some advice and even some code snips. A good starting point is Lionel Dyke's IPLINFO. Great coder and great code. ITschak On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:43 PM Jason Cai wrote: > Dear all > > You gave me many good ideas,many thanks! > > We want to develop this tool to compare them. > Depend on system and subsystem,we could issue many D or $D command. > Because there are mash of these output and the format of output > is different with the parmlib members,how to compare them quickly? > Is there any good way to convert output of command to the format > of the parmlib members? > > Thanks! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Jason, We do that in our product (not selling you anything), and it is not easy. some of the parameters are not displayed in the command and need deeper investigation. In general, you do not compare syntax, but tokens. for example, you need to parse the the output from the display and compare same value in the parmlib. many parameters are represented in strings of characters (see TCP NETSTAT output) for example. Ivf you narrow your concern to a specific parmlib, we can give you some advice and even some code snips. A good starting point is Lionel Dyke's IPLINFO. Great coder and great code. ITschak On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:43 PM Jason Cai wrote: > Dear all > > You gave me many good ideas,many thanks! > > We want to develop this tool to compare them. > Depend on system and subsystem,we could issue many D or $D command. > Because there are mash of these output and the format of output is > different with the parmlib members,how to compare them quickly? > Is there any good way to convert output of command to the format of > the parmlib members? > > Thanks! > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
ISPF Skeleton? ___ Al Ferguson | mailto:afergu...@neptunescove.org Milwaukee, WI USA | http://www.neptunescove.org Dulcius ex Asperis > On 18 December 2019, at 14:18, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 13:43:18 -0600, Jason Cai wrote: >> >> You gave me many good ideas,many thanks! >> >> We want to develop this tool to compare them. >> Depend on system and subsystem,we could issue many D or $D command. >>Because there are mash of these output and the format of output is >> different with the parmlib members,how to compare them quickly? >> Is there any good way to convert output of command to the format of the >> parmlib members? >> > ISPF Edit macro? > /bin/sed? > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 13:43:18 -0600, Jason Cai wrote: > >You gave me many good ideas,many thanks! > >We want to develop this tool to compare them. >Depend on system and subsystem,we could issue many D or $D command. > Because there are mash of these output and the format of output is > different with the parmlib members,how to compare them quickly? >Is there any good way to convert output of command to the format of the > parmlib members? > ISPF Edit macro? /bin/sed? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Dear all You gave me many good ideas,many thanks! We want to develop this tool to compare them. Depend on system and subsystem,we could issue many D or $D command. Because there are mash of these output and the format of output is different with the parmlib members,how to compare them quickly? Is there any good way to convert output of command to the format of the parmlib members? Thanks! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
That's a tool waiting to be developed. D OMVS,F D PROG LINKLIST D PROG APF Plus any others... mash the output of those and compare to the parmlib members. On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 12:08 PM Mike Schwab wrote: > Search the system log for the updating USERID and select the commands > you entered and search for the static location of those values? > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:48 AM Jason Cai wrote: > > > > Hi all > > > > After some paramters were changed dynamically , these paremeters didn't > be changed in members . > > > > Next IPL, we will lost these changes. > > > > Is there any way to compare active parameters with the parameters in > members? > > > > Any thoughts/comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Jason Cai > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Search the system log for the updating USERID and select the commands you entered and search for the static location of those values? On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:48 AM Jason Cai wrote: > > Hi all > > After some paramters were changed dynamically , these paremeters didn't be > changed in members . > > Next IPL, we will lost these changes. > > Is there any way to compare active parameters with the parameters in > members? > > Any thoughts/comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated > > Best Regards, > > Jason Cai > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Showzos (CBTTAPE) will report some current values > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of retired mainframer > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:08 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in > member > > It probably depends on which parameters for what subsystem. JES2 has a > series of $D commands to display the current parameters which you can then > compare to the text in the parameter member. z/OS has a similar set of > operands to the DISPLAY command that somewhat mirror the various > parameter members. Other subsystems and ISV products may or may not > have something similar. > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Jason Cai > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:48 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member > > > > Hi all > > > > After some paramters were changed dynamically , these paremeters > > didn't be changed in members . > > > > Next IPL, we will lost these changes. > > > > Is there any way to compare active parameters with the parameters in > members? > > > > Any thoughts/comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Jason Cai > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
It probably depends on which parameters for what subsystem. JES2 has a series of $D commands to display the current parameters which you can then compare to the text in the parameter member. z/OS has a similar set of operands to the DISPLAY command that somewhat mirror the various parameter members. Other subsystems and ISV products may or may not have something similar. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jason Cai > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:48 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member > > Hi all > > After some paramters were changed dynamically , these paremeters didn't be > changed > in members . > > Next IPL, we will lost these changes. > > Is there any way to compare active parameters with the parameters in > members? > > Any thoughts/comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated > > Best Regards, > > Jason Cai -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Most if not all the changes I have done with the SET Command. The one I have always Changed is the LNKLST, however I have always been very careful to LNKLST for the next IPL. Otherwise you are doomed to keep redoing the change. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Cai Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 11:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member Hi all After some paramters were changed dynamically , these paremeters didn't be changed in members . Next IPL, we will lost these changes. Is there any way to compare active parameters with the parameters in members? Any thoughts/comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated Best Regards, Jason Cai -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
How to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
There is a product called Image Focus from NewEra Software that has that capability. Alan Schwartz -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
how to compare active parameter with the parameter in member
Hi all After some paramters were changed dynamically , these paremeters didn't be changed in members . Next IPL, we will lost these changes. Is there any way to compare active parameters with the parameters in members? Any thoughts/comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated Best Regards, Jason Cai -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
