Re: Burroughs "SPO" - was RE: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-12 Thread Ed Finnell 
We were having a ufiche party for the 360/50 and the lead systems guys got  
an 'emergency call' from a former student at one of the local mills. They 
had a  3500 and had run the payroll three times and different results every 
time. The  ironworkers were milling around in the parking lot with evil 
intentions. Did we  have a 'storage oscilloscope'? Well we rounded up a couple 
and headed for the  mill.
 
Long story short they had expanded, but had the new wing of 50 HP Bessemer  
converters on the same power feed as the computer room. Every time one of  
those big motors kicked in they would get about a 140 volt spike on the 3500 
 bus. The memory would actually change state. Isolation transformer fixed 
'em  right up.
 
 
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rsandf...@healthplan.com writes:

1969-1973, we used the Burroughs B3500 and the SPO was indeed a  teletype.


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Re: Burroughs "SPO" - was RE: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-12 Thread Richard Sandford 
When I was in the US Air Force, 1969-1973, we used the Burroughs B3500 and the 
SPO was indeed a teletype.
Fun times ...

Richard

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Re: Burroughs "SPO" - was RE: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-11 Thread Brian Westerman 
When I was in college I worked at a Hospital in operations in the mid-late 
70's, we also had a Burroughs system (it was a B7700 that we upgraded to a 
B7800) and while there was a teletype in the corner that we sometimes had to 
use for the B7700, our main interface was on a real tv-type monitor.  I want to 
say 3270-like, but it wasn't really even similar, in some ways it was a lot 
better than the 3270's I got to use a couple years later at IBM.

Brian

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Re: Burroughs "SPO" - was RE: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-11 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 00:03:11 +, Lester, Bob wrote:

>Someone once told me it was "Supervisory Printer Online"

I remember it from my days working with a B1700 series computer as "System 
print out". 
Your link below refers to it as "Supervisory Print Out".  It was the system 
console, and on 
the B1726 that I worked with in the mid-1970's, the mechanism was basically a 
teletype.

>
> http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/burroughs/B1700/1058294_B1700_SPO_Ctl_jun72.pdf

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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread John Gilmore 
Under IBSYS for the IBM 7094 printed and punched output was often said
to be 'spooled' to tape for subsequent printing and punching under the
control of an IBM 1401.

'Backronym' is, I suppose, inevitable as a nonce term; but I should be
sorry to see such a barbarism come into wide use.  The standard
distinction is that between analytic and synthetic acronyms.

This distinction is sometimes hard to make and sometimes not.  I
learned of The US Department of Energy's

Innovative and Novel Computational Impact on Theory and Experiment (INCITE)

initiative from an IBM press release last year; and it is clear beyond
argument that INCITE is a synthetic acronym, but the case under
discussion is less clear: it is probably a mixed one.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In <51145fd3.5010...@valley.net>, on 02/07/2013
   at 09:15 PM, Gerhard Postpischil  said:

>I had one question - he describes the ASP precurser as a 
>7090/7094 complex. I was not aware of any such. The one I ran on 
>at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center (Greenbelt, MD) had a 7044 
>controlling a 7094II. So  was this a later, improved version?

I highly doubt it. The unit record equipment on the 7090 was based on
EAM equipment, and excrutiatingly slow; the 7040 and 7044 had
essentially the same unit record equipment as the 1401. The only DCS
combinations I'm aware of are 7040/7090 and 7044/7094.

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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread Joel C. Ewing 

On 02/07/2013 10:35 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

In <51143860.7030...@acm.org>, on 02/07/2013
at 05:27 PM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:


The Wood history of HASP/JES2 left hanging the question about the
origin of the term "spooling".

Do you consider SPOOL System, 7070-IO-076 to be of sufficient
antiquity?
That was the earliest reference (circa 1958) I could locate as well.  It 
just seemed that the name from which the "acronym" was derived sounded 
contrived (omitting the spurious "On-Line" would have been equally 
descriptive).  But then it is not that unusual to consider multiple name 
variants for a new product; and if you choose a name which forces a more 
appealing acronym, that clouds the distinction between acronyms and 
backronyms.

Joel C Ewing


'"SPOOL" has become a common verb, but originally was itself an
acronym signifying Simultaneous Peripheral Operations On Line. This
acronym originated with the 7070 computer, which had a system of
interrupts that let one program a peripheral activity (e.g.,
card-to-tape, tape-to-print, tape-to-card) while a main program was
running.' (Dictionary of IBM Jargon, Tenth Edition)


Since early "spooling" systems staged unit records  to a spool of
magnetic tape,

I've only seen reels of tape called spools in an audio or TV context;
prior to cartridges and MSS the terms I heard were "reel" and "tape
volume".




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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-08 Thread David Devine 
Historically "Spool" has had a long association with the weaving/rope making 
industry and thence to wire cable & electrical wiring.

Possibly the imagery of how an industrial weaving loom worked fitted in with 
the concept of what was trying to be achieved and last but not least it may 
well have been developed in Ibm SPOKANE and the guys there wanted to put their 
own stamp on it and were looking for an SPO prefix that matched up.
   
After all, DFH = Denver Foot Hills. IDC = International Data Corporation.

What better way to be remembered if you aren't allowed to stick your personal 
name on it.

And for another bit of history, paper tape/punched cards were used in 
industrial weaving looms back in the late 1800's to mass produce carpet and 
other fabrics to the same design & quality.

As of a few years ago, there was at least one working "museum" weaving shop in 
the UK midlands where it could be seen in action, about a 100 yard loop of 
heavy duty punched card.

Regards,
 Dave

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In <51143860.7030...@acm.org>, on 02/07/2013
   at 05:27 PM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:

>The Wood history of HASP/JES2 left hanging the question about the
>origin of the term "spooling". 

Do you consider SPOOL System, 7070-IO-076 to be of sufficient
antiquity?

'"SPOOL" has become a common verb, but originally was itself an
acronym signifying Simultaneous Peripheral Operations On Line. This
acronym originated with the 7070 computer, which had a system of
interrupts that let one program a peripheral activity (e.g.,
card-to-tape, tape-to-print, tape-to-card) while a main program was
running.' (Dictionary of IBM Jargon, Tenth Edition)

>Since early "spooling" systems staged unit records  to a spool of 
>magnetic tape,

I've only seen reels of tape called spools in an audio or TV context;
prior to cartridges and MSS the terms I heard were "reel" and "tape
volume".

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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In <51143860.7030...@acm.org>, on 02/07/2013
   at 05:27 PM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:

>The Wood history of HASP/JES2 left hanging the question about the
>origin of the term "spooling". 

Do you consider SPOOL System, 7070-IO-076 to be of sufficient
antiquity?

'"SPOOL" has become a common verb, but originally was itself an
acronym signifying Simultaneous Peripheral Operations On Line. This
acronym originated with the 7070 computer, which had a system of
interrupts that let one program a peripheral activity (e.g.,
card-to-tape, tape-to-print, tape-to-card) while a main program was
running.' (Dictionary of IBM Jargon, Tenth Edition)

>Since early "spooling" systems staged unit records  to a spool of 
>magnetic tape,

I've only seen reels of tape called spools in an audio or TV context;
prior to cartridges and MSS the terms I heard were "reel" and "tape
volume".

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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-07 Thread Gerhard Postpischil 

On 2/7/2013 3:15 PM, Ed Finnell wrote:

DOS WordPerfect document that I  just converted to a text file, since I
don't
think that I have any way to  convert it to a properly formatted PDF  file.


I had one question - he describes the ASP precurser as a 7090/7094 
complex. I was not aware of any such. The one I ran on at NASA's Goddard 
Space Flight Center (Greenbelt, MD) had a 7044 controlling a 7094II. So 
was this a later, improved version?


Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, Vermont

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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:15:32 -0500, Ed Finnell wrote:

>Chip Wood put together a nice summary for HASP's 40th  birthday celebration
>at SHARE 109 (AUG 2007). You should be able to pull  that one from the
>proceedings.
>
>I did find one thing that might be what  you were looking for.  It was an
>old
>DOS WordPerfect document that I  just converted to a text file, since I
>don't
>think that I have any way to  convert it to a properly formatted PDF  file.
>
I once opened a WordPervert document with OpenOffice.org.  Perhaps
LibreOffice retains the capability.

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Burroughs "SPO" - was RE: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-07 Thread Lester, Bob 
Hi Steve,

I knew that "SPO" sounded familiar from my B3500 days in a former life.  

Someone once told me it was "Supervisory Printer Online", which I suppose 
was adapted to a terminal?   Long time ago - 1976 for me.

Here's an interesting link (actually - I googled Burroughs B3500 and was 
amazed at number of hits!).


http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/burroughs/B1700/1058294_B1700_SPO_Ctl_jun72.pdf

BobL

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The Wood history of HASP/JES2 left hanging the question about the origin of the 
term "spooling".  Various authorities credit SPOOL as being an acronym for 
either Simultaneous Peripheral Output On-Line or Simultaneous Peripheral 
Operations On-Line, used to describe a process which pre-dated S/360 by at 
least half a decade where card images and/or print lines were staged through 
much faster I/O devices (magnetic tape in the old days) to keep slow printers 
and card equipment from being a bottleneck on expensive mainframes of the day.

This acronym always seemed a tad too cute.  Since early "spooling" 
systems staged unit records  to a spool of magnetic tape, it would have been 
natural to refer to this process as "spooling", which makes me suspect that was 
the inspiration for someone to invent SPOOL as a backronym to fit, and allow 
continued use of the term after spools of tape were no longer the staging media.


Perhaps one should ask someone with long Burroughs experience? I mention this 
because of past acquaintances who worked for Burroughs and explained a few 
things they had done before any other computer manufacturer. SPOOL reminds me 
of the command they had called "SPO" which as I recall was used to control 
SPOOL (I do not have any direct operations experience with Burroughs equipment).

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-07 Thread Steve Thompson 
From:   "Joel C. Ewing" 
Date:   02/07/2013 05:27 PM




The Wood history of HASP/JES2 left hanging the question about the origin 
of the term "spooling".  Various authorities credit SPOOL as being an 
acronym for either Simultaneous Peripheral Output On-Line or 
Simultaneous Peripheral Operations On-Line, used to describe a process 
which pre-dated S/360 by at least half a decade where card images and/or 
print lines were staged through much faster I/O devices (magnetic tape 
in the old days) to keep slow printers and card equipment from being a 
bottleneck on expensive mainframes of the day.

This acronym always seemed a tad too cute.  Since early "spooling" 
systems staged unit records  to a spool of magnetic tape, it would have 
been natural to refer to this process as "spooling", which makes me 
suspect that was the inspiration for someone to invent SPOOL as a 
backronym to fit, and allow continued use of the term after spools of 
tape were no longer the staging media.


Perhaps one should ask someone with long Burroughs experience? I mention 
this because of past acquaintances who worked for Burroughs and explained 
a few things they had done before any other computer manufacturer. SPOOL 
reminds me of the command they had called "SPO" which as I recall was used 
to control SPOOL (I do not have any direct operations experience with 
Burroughs equipment).

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-07 Thread Joel C. Ewing 

On 02/07/2013 02:15 PM, Ed Finnell wrote:

Chip Wood put together a nice summary for HASP's 40th  birthday celebration
at SHARE 109 (AUG 2007). You should be able to pull  that one from the
proceedings.

I did find one thing that might be what  you were looking for.  It was an
old
DOS WordPerfect document that I  just converted to a text file, since I
don't
think that I have any way to  convert it to a properly formatted PDF  file.

The Wood history of HASP/JES2 left hanging the question about the origin 
of the term "spooling".  Various authorities credit SPOOL as being an 
acronym for either Simultaneous Peripheral Output On-Line or 
Simultaneous Peripheral Operations On-Line, used to describe a process 
which pre-dated S/360 by at least half a decade where card images and/or 
print lines were staged through much faster I/O devices (magnetic tape 
in the old days) to keep slow printers and card equipment from being a 
bottleneck on expensive mainframes of the day.


This acronym always seemed a tad too cute.  Since early "spooling" 
systems staged unit records  to a spool of magnetic tape, it would have 
been natural to refer to this process as "spooling", which makes me 
suspect that was the inspiration for someone to invent SPOOL as a 
backronym to fit, and allow continued use of the term after spools of 
tape were no longer the staging media.


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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-07 Thread Ed Finnell 
I took the .txt file and mangled it with Word 2007 and save as .pdf.  Looks 
pretty good but don't have any public place to put it. Since Jack's  
retired he no longer has access to NERDC web site.
 
 
In a message dated 2/7/2013 2:30:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com writes:

Libre  Office ( www.libreoffice.org ) seems to be able to handle .wpd  
files.


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Re: JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-07 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:15:32 -0500, Ed Finnell wrote:

>I did find one thing that might be what  you were looking for.  It was an
>old
>DOS WordPerfect document that I  just converted to a text file, since I
>don't
>think that I have any way to  convert it to a properly formatted PDF  file.

Libre Office ( www.libreoffice.org ) seems to be able to handle .wpd files.

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JES2 Hist from Jack Schudel(ret.)

2013-02-07 Thread Ed Finnell 
Chip Wood put together a nice summary for HASP's 40th  birthday celebration 
at SHARE 109 (AUG 2007). You should be able to pull  that one from the 
proceedings.

I did find one thing that might be what  you were looking for.  It was an 
old 
DOS WordPerfect document that I  just converted to a text file, since I 
don't 
think that I have any way to  convert it to a properly formatted PDF  file.


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History

In the mid-1960's a small group of IBM employees working at the Manned 
Spacecraft Center
in Houston worked on a program called HASP (please see next section for "How 
HASP got
its name") which eventually was made available as an FDP.  Its popularity and 
use expanded
such that by February 1971 IBM released HASP II Version 3.0 as a Type III 
product with
Class A support.  This HASP ran as an optional extension to OS/MVT, performing 
the
peripheral functions associated with job processing.  In March of 1973 IBM 
released the SVS
(i.e. OS/VS2 Release 1) operating system using a new version of HASP referred 
to as
Version 4.0 HASP II Version 4.0 was not a System Control Program (SCP).  It was 
still
optionally available to replace OS/VS2 Release 1 readers and writers and 
continued to be a
Class A service.  With the availability of OS/VS2 Release 2 (MVS), HASP's name 
was
changed to JES2.

JES2 now runs as an operator started task in its own address space, providing 
I/O spooling
for local and remote unit record devices. Unlike its predecessor, HASP, JES2 is 
an integral
part of the SCP, and receives the appropriate service support.  In 1978 IBM 
Further enhanced
the JES2 product with the announcement of Network Job Entry (NJE).
How HASP got its name

Although HASP, and its successor, JES2, are well known and widely used, few 
people know
the origins of the name.  If you were to ask the hundreds of HASP fans, 
recognizable at
SHARE by their many orange talismans, most would not know.  A few would give the
wrong, IBM perpetuated answer.

For the truth we must go back to the mid 1960's.  IBM's OS/360 was in trouble.  
The
spooling (wonder where that name came from) support was slow and the overhead 
was high. 
Many programming groups independently attacked the problem.  ASP, loosely based 
upon the
tightly coupled IBM 7090/7094 DCS, held the lead in the OS/360 spooling 
sweepstakes. 
ASP's need for at least two CPU's fit well with IBM Marketing's plans for the 
System/360. 
Meanwhile, a group of IBM SE's, located in Houston, developed a different 
product of which
they were justifiably proud.  They wanted to popularize it, as they correctly 
suspected it
would be the balm for OS/360 users, increasing the usability and popularity of 
the operating
system, and, not incidentally, furthering their careers.  All they needed was 
the right name! 
A name which was easy to remember, a name which would draw attention to their 
product,
and a name to distract from the ASP publicity.  That name was Half-ASP, or 
HASP. 
Naturally, if HASP and ASP were products of two different companies, the FTC 
would have
stepped in to stop such a predatory product name.  Regulatory action was 
prevented, however,
because IBM is "one big happy family", believed by many to be larger than the 
Government.

The new HASP erased some of ASP's publicity lead and capitalized on the rest.  
Because the
"H" sound is nearly silent in English, no discussion of spooling systems for 
OS/360 could be
carried on without mention of both products.  HASP adherents quickly discovered 
that a
picture of a hasp could symbolize their product's security and confidence.  
Further, the ASP
people were opposed to begin using a poisonous viper for their logo.

Where, then, did the wrong answer come from?  IBM could not live with Half-ASP, 
so their
name calling department went to work and came up with:  Houston Automatic 
Spooling
Priority System (HASPS).  Close enough for IBM work.
Why Orange?

Many users of HASP and JES2 are well aware that the color ORANGE seems to 
predominate
our product, but few are aware of its origins.  Some have proposed that it is a 
reference to the
citrus fruit in order to avoid the other citrus fruit connotation of LEMON. But 
this is NOT
true. Others have suggested the color was picked as a challenge for those 
writing songs for
the Sing-Along because there are only two known words that rhyme with Orange.  
(It is left
as an exercise to the reader to find them.)  But this also is not true.  What 
is even worse is
that some jealous ASP (or JES3) users have joked that Orange is one half of a 
halloween
prank.  Of course that is definitely not the reason for our use of the color 
Orange.

The truth of the matter is that HASP was written by Tom Simpson in 1964 while 
he was
working for IBM at the Manned Space Craft Center in Houst