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>Thanks also to everybody who already volunteered to let us bounce ideas off of you - we'll be in touch. Forgot that one. I'm of course willing to help with reviewing ideas, etc , if you need one more volunteer. >One clarification: KC4z IS an offline option. After you obtain and provision the plug-ins that you need, you can use it all in a dark shop. Really, check it out! Offline regarding the Internet, but still in need of access to z/OS where the KC is run, right? -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Great feedback, Peter and everybody else - thank you! While you might not see direct results from it, I'm tracking it all and will wield it when I can. Thanks also to everybody who already volunteered to let us bounce ideas off of you - we'll be in touch. One clarification: KC4z IS an offline option. After you obtain and provision the plug-ins that you need, you can use it all in a dark shop. Really, check it out! Yours truly, Sue Shumway On 04/28/17 2:27 PM, Peter Hunkeler wrote: Just FYI, I'm following these threads and absorbing it all. Great to read that! Hope you're in the position to decide or influence the decision makers that PDFs are needed despite other means such as KC. To the direct point, it seems like the Adobe Indexed set of element and feature PDFs (SC27-8430) that Kevin Minerley mentioned in his response should suffice, and perhaps even impress, for those of you wanting a single downloadable of all z/OS PDFs. No really. One reason being that PDFs are supported by many tools on many platforms, but the index support is not wide spread (is it supported by any tool except the Adobe Reader?). A second more practical reason is the fact that today, at least at banks, insurance companies and probably many more, all incoming traffic is suspicious. So suspicious that AntiVirus, AntiSpam, AntiAnything software is scanning everything. I've been unable to download larger files many times just because the scanning software gave up after some time, cannot cope with too large files, and whatever reason. 1GiB downloads to my office workstation are not possible. Also, truly consider giving KC4z, which Kevin also mentioned, a try. This may be one option, but again, it is not an offline option, so again not a replacement for the PDF. I know I'm repeating myself here, but I once learned that you need to tell important stuff to your children 3000 times before they understand it is important stuff ;-) To an indirect point, it's great to see the different statements in support of PDFs and even the one for KC. I know how much (most of) you miss the old product documentation tools, so this feedback is extremely valuable as we work hard to develop a set of solutions that will hopefully help you eventually forget them. I for one have forgotten about the old tools, such as IBM Library Reader, which was supported on Windows only, anyway. I have switched to the PDF format to be my most important format. I have tons of PDFs on my iPad and am finding my stuff easily with the Documents 5 app. I also have the most important PDFs on my office PC. And I'm using Google and KC a lot to find what I'm looking for. As soon as I see I'll have to read more than very few pages, I'm opening or downloading the PDF (which hopefully is available somewhere). I did mention that anything coming from the Internet is suspicious, and you would not believe how slow all that scanning can make KC. It's a pain. The best thing that you can do is (continue to) voice your feedback where it really counts, like at SHARE and in feedback sessions with IBMers. Unfortunately, I cannot attend either of the above. I would hope that other people on this list who would be able to start a SHARE requirement, might do this one day. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Sue Shumway z/OS Product Documentation Lead IBM Poughkeepsie chale...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
AW: Re: AW: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
> Just FYI, I'm following these threads and absorbing it all. Great to read that! Hope you're in the position to decide or influence the decision makers that PDFs are needed despite other means such as KC. >To the direct point, it seems like the Adobe Indexed set of element and feature PDFs (SC27-8430) that Kevin Minerley mentioned in his response should suffice, and perhaps even impress, for those of you wanting a single downloadable of all z/OS PDFs. No really. One reason being that PDFs are supported by many tools on many platforms, but the index support is not wide spread (is it supported by any tool except the Adobe Reader?). A second more practical reason is the fact that today, at least at banks, insurance companies and probably many more, all incoming traffic is suspicious. So suspicious that AntiVirus, AntiSpam, AntiAnything software is scanning everything. I've been unable to download larger files many times just because the scanning software gave up after some time, cannot cope with too large files, and whatever reason. 1GiB downloads to my office workstation are not possible. >Also, truly consider giving KC4z, which Kevin also mentioned, a try. This may be one option, but again, it is not an offline option, so again not a replacement for the PDF. I know I'm repeating myself here, but I once learned that you need to tell important stuff to your children 3000 times before they understand it is important stuff ;-) >To an indirect point, it's great to see the different statements in support of PDFs and even the one for KC. I know how much (most of) you miss the old product documentation tools, so this feedback is extremely valuable as we work hard to develop a set of solutions that will hopefully help you eventually forget them. I for one have forgotten about the old tools, such as IBM Library Reader, which was supported on Windows only, anyway. I have switched to the PDF format to be my most important format. I have tons of PDFs on my iPad and am finding my stuff easily with the Documents 5 app. I also have the most important PDFs on my office PC. And I'm using Google and KC a lot to find what I'm looking for. As soon as I see I'll have to read more than very few pages, I'm opening or downloading the PDF (which hopefully is available somewhere). I did mention that anything coming from the Internet is suspicious, and you would not believe how slow all that scanning can make KC. It's a pain. >The best thing that you can do is (continue to) voice your feedback where it >really counts, like at SHARE and in feedback sessions with IBMers. Unfortunately, I cannot attend either of the above. I would hope that other people on this list who would be able to start a SHARE requirement, might do this one day. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
Agree 10,000% The renaming of the files is something I used to do when I downloaded individual publications and still do if I'm sharing one with a co-worker. Otherwise I use the download index.htm which lists the titles and maps them to the cryptic name. I think the ABC's of z/OS Systems Programming should be included in the z/OS collections (both online and downloadable) -- Lionel B. Dyck Mainframe Systems Programmer - TRA Enterprise Operations (Station 200) (005OP6.3.10) Information and Technology, IT Operations and Services -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017 Likewise, I depend on PDFs of many many IBM manuals, and am flabbergasted that IBM keeps moving them around, and frankly just making it harder and harder to find them on their website. Whatever wonderful new tools and techniques you care to implement, I merely want a simple page where I can see a list of PDFs, and easily just download the ones I want. The bundles of PDFs are great as well. This is what IBM provided for a number of years, and worked very well. My job description doesn't include spending inordinate amounts of time re-learning how to access documentation every few months. Also, everyone I know spends time renaming the PDF files to include the title. It'd be awful nice if IBM did that in the first place. That said, I do appreciate that IBM does provide the documentation for free, and without requiring a lot of licensing/registration/authorization roadblocks. sas On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Steve Thompson <ste...@copper.net> wrote: > On 04/28/2017 06:50 AM, Dejan Stamatovic wrote: > >> I totally subscribe to your point of view: >> Peter Hunkeler <p...@gmx.ch> wrote >> >> Now, I B M w i l l y o u p l e a s e, p l e a s e n o t a b a n >> d o n t h i s "Download books in PDF format" support ever!!! KC has its >> place but will never be a replacement for PDFs to be read offline! >> >> Manuals in PDF format are essential to my work and I can not imagine >> what I would be doing, at times, without them. >> > > Ditto for me. > > Regards, > Steve Thompson > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- sas -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
David Mingee wrote: >Hi Susan, Please tell me how to access IBM Knowledge info with IE version 11. > I can access them with Mozilla, but not with IE. I prefer to use IE. What is the difference between your browsers? I don't have any problems with both of them to access KC. What message(s) do you see? Alternatively, if you can't see any message(s), check your proxies, cookies, certificates, clear out your cache, etc. Can you repeat your problem on another PC/laptop? And repeat from your home? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
Hi Susan, Please tell me how to access IBM Knowledge info with IE version 11. I can access them with Mozilla, but not with IE. I prefer to use IE. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Susan Shumway Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 12:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AW: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017 Just FYI, I'm following these threads and absorbing it all. To the direct point, it seems like the Adobe Indexed set of element and feature PDFs (SC27-8430) that Kevin Minerley mentioned in his response should suffice, and perhaps even impress, for those of you wanting a single downloadable of all z/OS PDFs. Also, truly consider giving KC4z, which Kevin also mentioned, a try. It provides the option to mix and match the z/OS plug-ins, if that's how you want to do things, for maximum flexibility in an offline, topic search type environment. Take a look through https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hkc/hkc.htm and see what you think. To an indirect point, it's great to see the different statements in support of PDFs and even the one for KC. I know how much (most of) you miss the old product documentation tools, so this feedback is extremely valuable as we work hard to develop a set of solutions that will hopefully help you eventually forget them. The best thing that you can do is (continue to) voice your feedback where it really counts, like at SHARE and in feedback sessions with IBMers. (Of course, I'm always happy to continue collecting feedback here, if it's your only resource.) To that point, if any of you are willing to let my team bounce ideas off of you, as long as the proper confidentiality boxes are checked, let me know - we'll take you up on it. Yours truly, Sue Shumway On 04/27/17 5:08 PM, Peter Hunkeler wrote: > > > >> The pdf's are fine for print and general reading. And searching has improved. > UNTIL I want the specific rc/rsn for an IDC3009I which is somewhere between > pages 299 and 573 in the iea3m602.pdf and since almost every other IDC > message references IDC3009I, the search in the pdf is pretty useless. > > > > > Exactly, it all depends on what your current need is. Are you looking for the > explanation of message, or do you need to understand a specific macro > parameter, or function parameter, etc.? Google, IBM KC, browser interface is > often an efficient and effective choice. Are you in need to understand a > concept, how does something work, etc.? One or more books are often to be > consulted, and whole section or chapters have to be read. Books, be it paper > or eBooks, is the choice. > > > So, IBM, and other vendors, need to understand that both variants are > required. > > > -- > Peter Hunkeler > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Sue Shumway z/OS Product Documentation Lead IBM Poughkeepsie chale...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
Just FYI, I'm following these threads and absorbing it all. To the direct point, it seems like the Adobe Indexed set of element and feature PDFs (SC27-8430) that Kevin Minerley mentioned in his response should suffice, and perhaps even impress, for those of you wanting a single downloadable of all z/OS PDFs. Also, truly consider giving KC4z, which Kevin also mentioned, a try. It provides the option to mix and match the z/OS plug-ins, if that's how you want to do things, for maximum flexibility in an offline, topic search type environment. Take a look through https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hkc/hkc.htm and see what you think. To an indirect point, it's great to see the different statements in support of PDFs and even the one for KC. I know how much (most of) you miss the old product documentation tools, so this feedback is extremely valuable as we work hard to develop a set of solutions that will hopefully help you eventually forget them. The best thing that you can do is (continue to) voice your feedback where it really counts, like at SHARE and in feedback sessions with IBMers. (Of course, I'm always happy to continue collecting feedback here, if it's your only resource.) To that point, if any of you are willing to let my team bounce ideas off of you, as long as the proper confidentiality boxes are checked, let me know - we'll take you up on it. Yours truly, Sue Shumway On 04/27/17 5:08 PM, Peter Hunkeler wrote: The pdf's are fine for print and general reading. And searching has improved. UNTIL I want the specific rc/rsn for an IDC3009I which is somewhere between pages 299 and 573 in the iea3m602.pdf and since almost every other IDC message references IDC3009I, the search in the pdf is pretty useless. Exactly, it all depends on what your current need is. Are you looking for the explanation of message, or do you need to understand a specific macro parameter, or function parameter, etc.? Google, IBM KC, browser interface is often an efficient and effective choice. Are you in need to understand a concept, how does something work, etc.? One or more books are often to be consulted, and whole section or chapters have to be read. Books, be it paper or eBooks, is the choice. So, IBM, and other vendors, need to understand that both variants are required. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Sue Shumway z/OS Product Documentation Lead IBM Poughkeepsie chale...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
AW: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
>The pdf's are fine for print and general reading. And searching has improved. UNTIL I want the specific rc/rsn for an IDC3009I which is somewhere between pages 299 and 573 in the iea3m602.pdf and since almost every other IDC message references IDC3009I, the search in the pdf is pretty useless. Exactly, it all depends on what your current need is. Are you looking for the explanation of message, or do you need to understand a specific macro parameter, or function parameter, etc.? Google, IBM KC, browser interface is often an efficient and effective choice. Are you in need to understand a concept, how does something work, etc.? One or more books are often to be consulted, and whole section or chapters have to be read. Books, be it paper or eBooks, is the choice. So, IBM, and other vendors, need to understand that both variants are required. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
The point is that with Bookie, a search for IDC3009I rc rsn would take you directly to the instance you needed. I had to sort of binary scroll and the sequential page until I found my specific need on page 385. This time > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Steve Beaver > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 2:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: > z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017 > > IDC3009I needs to be a manual by itself -- It’s a catch all for anything the > is > VSAM related > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:40 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: > z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017 > > The pdf's are fine for print and general reading. And searching has improved. > UNTIL I want the specific rc/rsn for an IDC3009I which is somewhere > between pages 299 and 573 in the iea3m602.pdf and since almost every > other IDC message references IDC3009I, the search in the pdf is pretty > useless. > > Bookmanager search is still the best. And for what it's worth, I always > download all the books and shelves using Softcopy Librarian. Searching in > Softcopy Librarian used to pass the search into the Bookmanager book and > take you directly to the result. > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > > On Behalf Of Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA) > > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:55 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: > > z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017 > > > > Tom - I'm in total agreement with you. I never liked BookManager on > > Windows and I prefer PDF's as I don't need a network connection, I can > > place the one's I need on my iPad for easy access if my PC is down, > > and the advanced search to cross PDF boundaries is excellent. > > > > It works so please don't break it. > > > > -- > > > > Lionel B. Dyck > > Mainframe Systems Programmer - TRA > > Enterprise Operations (Station 200) (005OP6.3.10) Information and > > Technology, IT Operations and Services > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > > On Behalf Of Tom Brennan > > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:30 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: > > z/OS > > V2R2 Collection, March 2017 > > > > A year or more ago I went looking for the latest PDF documents for an > > Omegamon sub-product (Networks I think?) and couldn't find them. I > > did find PDF's for the previous version so I sent an email to one of > > the authors and got a response: There were no PDF's for the latest, > > only the web-based doc, and if I wanted a PDF I could click buttons on > > the web page to grab all the pages and put them into a PDF. That > > ended up just like you said, a PDF of relatively unrelated snippets :) > > > > Very odd, and I hope that isn't the way of the future. To me, the > > online snippets are useful only if I get lucky and find what I need > > via search. But once I'm reading a section, even with the KC > > next/prev page clicking (like the left/right arrows which don't seem > > to work all the time), I usually give up quickly and just go download > something I can read - the PDF manual. > > > > Plus, with the PDF (even if it's not completely up-to-date) I have > > information on my PC without needing an IP connection, which could be > > important in a pinch. > > > > Now don't take me too seriously, since I may be a bit unusual because > > I never liked Bookmanager on my PC either, something people seem to > > like a lot here. > > > > Dana Mitchell wrote: > > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:31:11 +0200, Peter Hunkeler <p...@gmx.ch> > > wrote: > > > > > >>Now, I B M w i l l y o u p l e a s e, p l e a s e n o t a b a n > > >>d o n t h i s > > "Download books in PDF format" support ever!!! KC has its place but > > will never be a replacement for PDFs to be read offline! > > >> > &
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
IDC3009I needs to be a manual by itself -- It’s a catch all for anything the is VSAM related -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017 The pdf's are fine for print and general reading. And searching has improved. UNTIL I want the specific rc/rsn for an IDC3009I which is somewhere between pages 299 and 573 in the iea3m602.pdf and since almost every other IDC message references IDC3009I, the search in the pdf is pretty useless. Bookmanager search is still the best. And for what it's worth, I always download all the books and shelves using Softcopy Librarian. Searching in Softcopy Librarian used to pass the search into the Bookmanager book and take you directly to the result. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA) > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:55 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: > z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017 > > Tom - I'm in total agreement with you. I never liked BookManager on > Windows and I prefer PDF's as I don't need a network connection, I can > place the one's I need on my iPad for easy access if my PC is down, > and the advanced search to cross PDF boundaries is excellent. > > It works so please don't break it. > > -- > > Lionel B. Dyck > Mainframe Systems Programmer - TRA > Enterprise Operations (Station 200) (005OP6.3.10) Information and > Technology, IT Operations and Services > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Tom Brennan > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:30 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: > z/OS > V2R2 Collection, March 2017 > > A year or more ago I went looking for the latest PDF documents for an > Omegamon sub-product (Networks I think?) and couldn't find them. I > did find PDF's for the previous version so I sent an email to one of > the authors and got a response: There were no PDF's for the latest, > only the web-based doc, and if I wanted a PDF I could click buttons on > the web page to grab all the pages and put them into a PDF. That > ended up just like you said, a PDF of relatively unrelated snippets :) > > Very odd, and I hope that isn't the way of the future. To me, the > online snippets are useful only if I get lucky and find what I need > via search. But once I'm reading a section, even with the KC > next/prev page clicking (like the left/right arrows which don't seem > to work all the time), I usually give up quickly and just go download > something I can read - the PDF manual. > > Plus, with the PDF (even if it's not completely up-to-date) I have > information on my PC without needing an IP connection, which could be > important in a pinch. > > Now don't take me too seriously, since I may be a bit unusual because > I never liked Bookmanager on my PC either, something people seem to > like a lot here. > > Dana Mitchell wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:31:11 +0200, Peter Hunkeler <p...@gmx.ch> > wrote: > > > >>Now, I B M w i l l y o u p l e a s e, p l e a s e n o t a b a n d > >>o n t h i s > "Download books in PDF format" support ever!!! KC has its place but > will never be a replacement for PDFs to be read offline! > >> > > > > > > My biggest fear is that IBM will continue moving the z/OS > > documentation in > the direction it has taken with the IBM i docs in the past. The main content > in the Knowledge Center consists of small, one or two paragraph > tidbits, filled with links to other items, making it almost impossible to > read in depth about a > topic for a good overview.Then the PDF version is just the same little > snippets from the KC, strung together into a pdf document. > > > > Dana > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
The pdf's are fine for print and general reading. And searching has improved. UNTIL I want the specific rc/rsn for an IDC3009I which is somewhere between pages 299 and 573 in the iea3m602.pdf and since almost every other IDC message references IDC3009I, the search in the pdf is pretty useless. Bookmanager search is still the best. And for what it's worth, I always download all the books and shelves using Softcopy Librarian. Searching in Softcopy Librarian used to pass the search into the Bookmanager book and take you directly to the result. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA) > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:55 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: > z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017 > > Tom - I'm in total agreement with you. I never liked BookManager on > Windows and I prefer PDF's as I don't need a network connection, I can place > the one's I need on my iPad for easy access if my PC is down, and the > advanced search to cross PDF boundaries is excellent. > > It works so please don't break it. > > -- > Lionel B. Dyck > Mainframe Systems Programmer - TRA > Enterprise Operations (Station 200) (005OP6.3.10) Information and > Technology, IT Operations and Services > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Tom Brennan > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:30 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS > V2R2 Collection, March 2017 > > A year or more ago I went looking for the latest PDF documents for an > Omegamon sub-product (Networks I think?) and couldn't find them. I did find > PDF's for the previous version so I sent an email to one of the authors and > got a response: There were no PDF's for the latest, only the web-based doc, > and if I wanted a PDF I could click buttons on the web page to grab all the > pages and put them into a PDF. That ended up just like you said, a PDF of > relatively unrelated snippets :) > > Very odd, and I hope that isn't the way of the future. To me, the online > snippets are useful only if I get lucky and find what I need via search. But > once I'm reading a section, even with the KC next/prev page clicking (like the > left/right arrows which don't seem to work all the time), I usually give up > quickly and just go download something I can read - the PDF manual. > > Plus, with the PDF (even if it's not completely up-to-date) I have information > on my PC without needing an IP connection, which could be important in a > pinch. > > Now don't take me too seriously, since I may be a bit unusual because I never > liked Bookmanager on my PC either, something people seem to like a lot > here. > > Dana Mitchell wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:31:11 +0200, Peter Hunkeler <p...@gmx.ch> > wrote: > > > >>Now, I B M w i l l y o u p l e a s e, p l e a s e n o t a b a n d > >>o n t h i s > "Download books in PDF format" support ever!!! KC has its place but will > never be a replacement for PDFs to be read offline! > >> > > > > > > My biggest fear is that IBM will continue moving the z/OS documentation in > the direction it has taken with the IBM i docs in the past. The main content > in the Knowledge Center consists of small, one or two paragraph tidbits, > filled > with links to other items, making it almost impossible to read in depth about > a > topic for a good overview.Then the PDF version is just the same little > snippets from the KC, strung together into a pdf document. > > > > Dana > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017
Tom - I'm in total agreement with you. I never liked BookManager on Windows and I prefer PDF's as I don't need a network connection, I can place the one's I need on my iPad for easy access if my PC is down, and the advanced search to cross PDF boundaries is excellent. It works so please don't break it. -- Lionel B. Dyck Mainframe Systems Programmer - TRA Enterprise Operations (Station 200) (005OP6.3.10) Information and Technology, IT Operations and Services -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Issue with SK4T-4949-13 - IBM Online Library: z/OS V2R2 Collection, March 2017 A year or more ago I went looking for the latest PDF documents for an Omegamon sub-product (Networks I think?) and couldn't find them. I did find PDF's for the previous version so I sent an email to one of the authors and got a response: There were no PDF's for the latest, only the web-based doc, and if I wanted a PDF I could click buttons on the web page to grab all the pages and put them into a PDF. That ended up just like you said, a PDF of relatively unrelated snippets :) Very odd, and I hope that isn't the way of the future. To me, the online snippets are useful only if I get lucky and find what I need via search. But once I'm reading a section, even with the KC next/prev page clicking (like the left/right arrows which don't seem to work all the time), I usually give up quickly and just go download something I can read - the PDF manual. Plus, with the PDF (even if it's not completely up-to-date) I have information on my PC without needing an IP connection, which could be important in a pinch. Now don't take me too seriously, since I may be a bit unusual because I never liked Bookmanager on my PC either, something people seem to like a lot here. Dana Mitchell wrote: > On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:31:11 +0200, Peter Hunkeler <p...@gmx.ch> wrote: > >>Now, I B M w i l l y o u p l e a s e, p l e a s e n o t a b a n d o >>n t h i s "Download books in PDF format" support ever!!! KC has its place >>but will never be a replacement for PDFs to be read offline! >> > > > My biggest fear is that IBM will continue moving the z/OS documentation in > the direction it has taken with the IBM i docs in the past. The main > content in the Knowledge Center consists of small, one or two paragraph > tidbits, filled with links to other items, making it almost impossible to > read in depth about a topic for a good overview.Then the PDF version is > just the same little snippets from the KC, strung together into a pdf > document. > > Dana > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
