Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Peter Relson]

>Is that feature going to be (or has been?) back-ported to V2.1?

No. 

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Thanks for the suggestion Peter, but we are currently only at V2.1 and I don't 
know when we will next be upgrading or to what version.

Is that feature going to be (or has been?) back-ported to V2.1?

Peter

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You could also write something of your own, as of z/OS 2.2, using the 
CSVFETCH exit which was developed specifically to help get products out of 
front-ending the contents supervisor SVC's.

Peter Relson
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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Thanks Joel, I think someone else also suggested a similar approach.

We're considering the alternatives but will likely not use a fee-based 
commercial product due to budget constraints.

Peter

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When there are only specific load modules in specific libraries for
which tracking is needed, there IS an approach that does not require any
fancy new measurement tools or software, but does require cooperation
from the RACF administrator.  It is possible to set up RACF Program
profiles specific to the load modules and libraries in question, not to
restrict access  to the load modules, but to allow the enabling of RACF
auditing of all access to the modules, which results in generation of
RACF SMF records when access occurs.  It's been some time since I've
done this (for some modules that were an issue during Y2K remediation),
but I'm pretty sure RACF auditing can be set to cut a record for any
module access, initial program load or dynamic fetch.  Those RACF SMF
records can be extracted and accumulated for what is deemed a sufficient
period of time.  Although not elegant, RACF also includes standard
reporting tools that will format and list information from the RACF SMF
records.

You will of course have to make a judgment of how long  a period (days,
months, years) RACF SMF data must continue to be collected and analyzed
before there is a high confidence all important references have been
occurred and been recorded.

If RACF Program profiles are not already in use at the installation, one
must of course be careful to set things up properly to preserve existing
default access before enabling.
Joel C. Ewing

On 08/09/2017 01:10 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
> Yes it is important to the organization, but since apparently no SMF record 
> has this information for dynamically LOADed programs there is no real point 
> to asking for DAF or any other SMF reporting tool to be used.
>
> Knowing the module name loaded is kind of the point - that's what we need to 
> know.  There are very few application load libraries but many thousands and 
> more of programs and more than that in jobs using those programs all day long 
> and all night long.
>
> Not having any keys to the system programmer kingdom I would not have any 
> access to a test system even if I knew it existed.  And a test system would 
> probably not be very much help anyway due to the large number of potential 
> main-program users of the subroutines that would need to be individually 
> tested one at a time.  This is a need to get LOAD information for several 
> shop-wide utility subroutines potentially used across the enterprise.  It is 
> a needle-in-a-haystack problem to find the one place that a seldom-used but 
> possibly critical utility routine is actually used at run time.  Sometimes 
> actual use of a utility routine is data dependent, and you may or may not 
> have the data available to drive particular program usage at any given time.
>
> As several fictional characters in the entertainment world have opined, "It's 
> complicated".
>
> Having LOADed program statistics in SMF historical data would, of course, 
> solve the problem immediately, but we don't have those.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions and for trying to help.  Appreciated.
>
> Peter
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
>> Behalf Of retired mainframer
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 1:06 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
>>
>> If the problem you are trying to solve is important to the organization, ask 
>> the people who can run DAF for what you need and let them sanitize the 
>> output for you.
>> Alternately, if the number of libraries containing the modules in question 
>> is not too large and you can convince the security admins to help, you could 
>> create dataset profiles for the libraries in WARNING mode with access NONE.
>> Every load would then generate a message in the system log.  It wouldn't 
>> tell you which module was loaded but it would tell you which library was 
>> being accessed by which job step.
>>
>> For a brute force method, if you have a test system you can use, recreate 
>> the libraries without the members.  As each LOAD fails, add that member.
>> When the jobs finally run successfully, any members not added are likely 
>> unused.
>>
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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Rob Barbour]

Hi Peter,

There is a product called P-Tracker that will give you that 
information.   Since it "see's" everything loaded it can give you the 
program and call sequences as well as when, who, where, it was 
loaded.People use this for asset management, but programmers use it 
to determine call sequences (like in Y2K and Euro to find program and 
subroutine usage, where, etc).


For more info see www.esaigroup.com/products/ptracker.htm 



P.S. I am not sure if SoftAudit is marketed any more.

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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Edward Gould]

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
>> Softaudit says it can do it, they would have to front end the SVC.
> I believe they do or did. 
> 
> 


Then I would suggest you look elsewhere. Back in Y2K era a package was bought 
over my objections that did that very same thing front end the SVC. I raised my 
voice in protest and was ignore.
We installed the package and when the system got busy on Monday morning all 
hell broke loose. DB2 went bananas and users everywhere were yelling about the 
time and dates on their reports. 
I suggested firmly that we back the product out and basically was told to leave 
the room. The squabbled in a meeting room for two hours while our system was 
down. The door opened and everyone followed out. The VP came over to me and he 
told me to de install the product. A day or two later I was talking to one of 
the participants in the closed door meeting. Early on it was decided to 
de-install. The rest of the time was finger pointing as to who was at fault and 
who was going to pay for the software and the outage.

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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Peter Relson]

You could also write something of your own, as of z/OS 2.2, using the 
CSVFETCH exit which was developed specifically to help get products out of 
front-ending the contents supervisor SVC's.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

SoftAudit is now "IBM Tivoli License Compliance Manager for z/OS" after IBM 
acquired it.

Al Nims
UFIT
University of Florida
(352) 273-1298
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-Original Message-
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Of Charles Mills
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 4:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

> Softaudit says it can do it, they would have to front end the SVC.
I believe they do or did. 



CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.
 Original message From: Edward Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net> 
Date: 8/9/17  4:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 
Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program? 
> On Aug 9, 2017, at 12:06 PM, retired mainframer <retired-mainfra...@q.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> If the problem you are trying to solve is important to the 
> organization, ask the people who can run DAF for what you need and let 
> them sanitize the output for you.
> 
> Alternately, if the number of libraries containing the modules in 
> question is not too large and you can convince the security admins to 
> help, you could create dataset profiles for the libraries in WARNING mode 
> with access NONE.
> Every load would then generate a message in the system log.  It 
> wouldn't tell you which module was loaded but it would tell you which 
> library was being accessed by which job step.
> 
> For a brute force method, if you have a test system you can use, 
> recreate the libraries without the members.  As each LOAD fails, add that 
> member.
> When the jobs finally run successfully, any members not added are 
> likely unused.


I would like to hear from our RACF retired person on this.
I looked at this many years ago and the answer I got back from IBM was NO it 
will not show dynamically loaded programs.
I certainly would like this to be yes, but I can’t see how RACF could do it. I 
understand how they get the pgm=scan to be logged, but after that any 
dynamically load program is beyond (AFAIK) RACF capability.
Softaudit says it can do it, they would have to front end the SVC. 


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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Charles Mills]

> Softaudit says it can do it, they would have to front end the SVC.
I believe they do or did. 



CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.
 Original message From: Edward Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net> 
Date: 8/9/17  4:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 
Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program? 
> On Aug 9, 2017, at 12:06 PM, retired mainframer <retired-mainfra...@q.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> If the problem you are trying to solve is important to the organization, ask
> the people who can run DAF for what you need and let them sanitize the
> output for you.
> 
> Alternately, if the number of libraries containing the modules in question
> is not too large and you can convince the security admins to help, you could
> create dataset profiles for the libraries in WARNING mode with access NONE.
> Every load would then generate a message in the system log.  It wouldn't
> tell you which module was loaded but it would tell you which library was
> being accessed by which job step.
> 
> For a brute force method, if you have a test system you can use, recreate
> the libraries without the members.  As each LOAD fails, add that member.
> When the jobs finally run successfully, any members not added are likely
> unused.


I would like to hear from our RACF retired person on this.
I looked at this many years ago and the answer I got back from IBM was NO it 
will not show dynamically loaded programs.
I certainly would like this to be yes, but I can’t see how RACF could do it. I 
understand how they get the pgm=scan to be logged, but after that any 
dynamically load program is beyond (AFAIK) RACF capability.
Softaudit says it can do it, they would have to front end the SVC. 


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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Edward Gould]

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 12:06 PM, retired mainframer  
> wrote:
> 
> If the problem you are trying to solve is important to the organization, ask
> the people who can run DAF for what you need and let them sanitize the
> output for you.
> 
> Alternately, if the number of libraries containing the modules in question
> is not too large and you can convince the security admins to help, you could
> create dataset profiles for the libraries in WARNING mode with access NONE.
> Every load would then generate a message in the system log.  It wouldn't
> tell you which module was loaded but it would tell you which library was
> being accessed by which job step.
> 
> For a brute force method, if you have a test system you can use, recreate
> the libraries without the members.  As each LOAD fails, add that member.
> When the jobs finally run successfully, any members not added are likely
> unused.


I would like to hear from our RACF retired person on this.
I looked at this many years ago and the answer I got back from IBM was NO it 
will not show dynamically loaded programs.
I certainly would like this to be yes, but I can’t see how RACF could do it. I 
understand how they get the pgm=scan to be logged, but after that any 
dynamically load program is beyond (AFAIK) RACF capability.
Softaudit says it can do it, they would have to front end the SVC. 


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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Charles Mills]

> When the jobs finally run successfully, any members not added are likelyunused
At least not until year-end. 


CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.
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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Yes it is important to the organization, but since apparently no SMF record has 
this information for dynamically LOADed programs there is no real point to 
asking for DAF or any other SMF reporting tool to be used.

Knowing the module name loaded is kind of the point - that's what we need to 
know.  There are very few application load libraries but many thousands and 
more of programs and more than that in jobs using those programs all day long 
and all night long.

Not having any keys to the system programmer kingdom I would not have any 
access to a test system even if I knew it existed.  And a test system would 
probably not be very much help anyway due to the large number of potential 
main-program users of the subroutines that would need to be individually tested 
one at a time.  This is a need to get LOAD information for several shop-wide 
utility subroutines potentially used across the enterprise.  It is a 
needle-in-a-haystack problem to find the one place that a seldom-used but 
possibly critical utility routine is actually used at run time.  Sometimes 
actual use of a utility routine is data dependent, and you may or may not have 
the data available to drive particular program usage at any given time.

As several fictional characters in the entertainment world have opined, "It's 
complicated".

Having LOADed program statistics in SMF historical data would, of course, solve 
the problem immediately, but we don't have those.

Thanks for the suggestions and for trying to help.  Appreciated.

Peter

>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
>Behalf Of retired mainframer
>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 1:06 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
>
>If the problem you are trying to solve is important to the organization, ask 
>the people who can run DAF for what you need and let them sanitize the output 
>for you.

>Alternately, if the number of libraries containing the modules in question is 
>not too large and you can convince the security admins to help, you could 
>create dataset profiles for the libraries in WARNING mode with access NONE.
>Every load would then generate a message in the system log.  It wouldn't tell 
>you which module was loaded but it would tell you which library was being 
>accessed by which job step.
>
>For a brute force method, if you have a test system you can use, recreate the 
>libraries without the members.  As each LOAD fails, add that member.
>When the jobs finally run successfully, any members not added are likely 
>unused.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
>> On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:02 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
>> 
>> Unfortunately I have no access to any SMF data here and I am 
>> prohibited from running DCOLLECT for myself by security rules, so DAF while 
>> no doubt useful to others is not much use to me here.
>> 
>> These are old dynamically LOADed and called COBOL subroutines that we 
>> are not sure of the actual usage.  If they ever do get LOADed and called 
>> they will 
>> DISPLAY identifying information in SYSOUT, but that then requires reading 
>> the SYSOUT  archive extensively to determine whether they were ever actually 
>> used.  That also only  answers the question of
>> usage for as far back as the SYSOUT archive holds, which can be an 
>> issue if actual usage is (for instance) yearly or less often.
>> 
>> Archive scanning is tedious but doable.  My initial request was part 
>> of  deciding whether we need to use the tedious path or not.

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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[retired mainframer]

If the problem you are trying to solve is important to the organization, ask
the people who can run DAF for what you need and let them sanitize the
output for you.

Alternately, if the number of libraries containing the modules in question
is not too large and you can convince the security admins to help, you could
create dataset profiles for the libraries in WARNING mode with access NONE.
Every load would then generate a message in the system log.  It wouldn't
tell you which module was loaded but it would tell you which library was
being accessed by which job step.

For a brute force method, if you have a test system you can use, recreate
the libraries without the members.  As each LOAD fails, add that member.
When the jobs finally run successfully, any members not added are likely
unused.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:02 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
> 
> Unfortunately I have no access to any SMF data here and I am prohibited
from running
> DCOLLECT for myself by security rules, so DAF while no doubt useful to
others is not
> much use to me here.
> 
> These are old dynamically LOADed and called COBOL subroutines that we are
not sure of
> the actual usage.  If they ever do get LOADed and called they will DISPLAY
identifying
> information in SYSOUT, but that then requires reading the SYSOUT archive
extensively to
> determine whether they were ever actually used.  That also only answers
the question of
> usage for as far back as the SYSOUT archive holds, which can be an issue
if actual usage is
> (for instance) yearly or less often.
> 
> Archive scanning is tedious but doable.  My initial request was part of
deciding whether we
> need to use the tedious path or not.

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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Clark Morris]

[Default] On 9 Aug 2017 08:23:19 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
david.jou...@53.com (Jousma, David) wrote:

>Im not aware of any method using existing system services to track execution 
>of subroutines below PGM=.   It would certainly be helpful to us, as we have 
>(I'm) many old application programs that pollute our system, but no one knows 
>if they are in use or not.  This is becoming somewhat of a issue for us as we 
>are starting the migration to EC V6.1, and are forced to minimally 
>convert/recompile OS VS programs, and some VS Cobol II.   I am pretty sure of 
>the thousands of these we have, there is a large percentage that are not in 
>use.   Oh well, that will be the problem for the application teams to figure 
>out I guess.   ;)
>
In the distant (over 25 years ago), I did long running GTF traces for
LOAD, LINK and ATTACH and analyzed the results.  Also if all of the
subroutines are CALLed using CALL 'module-name' the source can be
parsed to detect this using programs written in language of choice
including COBOL.  If called by the COBOL construct CALL data-name or
the equivalent in other languages, this condition can at least be
detected.

Clark Morris
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>Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353
>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:02 AM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
>
>CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
>Unfortunately I have no access to any SMF data here and I am prohibited from 
>running DCOLLECT for myself by security rules, so DAF while no doubt useful to 
>others is not much use to me here.
>
>These are old dynamically LOADed and called COBOL subroutines that we are not 
>sure of the actual usage.  If they ever do get LOADed and called they will 
>DISPLAY identifying information in SYSOUT, but that then requires reading the 
>SYSOUT archive extensively to determine whether they were ever actually used.  
>That also only answers the question of usage for as far back as the SYSOUT 
>archive holds, which can be an issue if actual usage is (for instance) yearly 
>or less often.
>
>Archive scanning is tedious but doable.  My initial request was part of 
>deciding whether we need to use the tedious path or not.
>
>Thanks again for your prompt reply.
>
>Peter
>
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>Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 10:50 AM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
>
>There was a product you could purchase called SoftAudit.  It could do some of 
>what you are looking for (If I remember correctly)
>
>The other options some shops took, was having their programs issue a WTO 
>indicating what module called what.  Probably well past what you could work 
>with at this point.
>
>Another option was to create a calling program, that would cut an user SMF 
>record to collect some of this data.
>
>
>Where you are at, you might need to purchase a product, like SoftAudit, that 
>could do some of this analysis.  
>
>I think it would be very difficult to actually identify anything that is 
>executed from a LINK, XCTL, or LOAD function.  Very little in SMF other than 
>the pgmname that can be captured.  If you are asking - Can I identify when a 
>subroutine SUBA is called - probably not.  If you want to know when MAINA is 
>used, probably yes
>
>
>What you could do is download from CBTTAPE.ORG the utility DAF (Dataset Audit 
>Facility).  
>  File # 094 DAF from Mike Cleary - Dataset Audit Facility
>
>It can read all SMF Data and provide summary information based on
>
>   Program Name
>   Job Name 
>   Date 
>   DSN
>
>And so forth.
>
>I used it recently to see anything touching a specific library or program name.
>It was very helpful.
>
>You can see if DAF can help.
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Lizette
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
>> On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 6:13 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
>> 
>> As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We 
>> need to know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed

Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2017-08-09 09:12, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We need to 
know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed anywhere in the sysplex by any 
batch program.  We do collect SMF data, but I need to know which one may help, 
if any.

I am not the systems programmer here, so I do not have access to any 
systems-level SMF parameter information or operator commands, I have to request 
that information from the performance team.  I am just an application 
programmer trying to track information down to aid an application project.

TIA for any assistance you can provide.

Peter


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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Leon Trafalsk]

I have used MFM (Module Fetch Monitor) previously. This creates a TRACE 
file (not SMF) however it had proved itself to be very useful.
It was obtained by a separate (No Charge) agreement from IBM. This 
basically uses an LLA exit to capture the information required.


There was a share presentation on this in 2001.

regards
Leon


On 8/9/2017 10:49 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote:

There was a product you could purchase called SoftAudit.  It could do some of
what you are looking for (If I remember correctly)

The other options some shops took, was having their programs issue a WTO
indicating what module called what.  Probably well past what you could work with
at this point.

Another option was to create a calling program, that would cut an user SMF
record to collect some of this data.


Where you are at, you might need to purchase a product, like SoftAudit, that
could do some of this analysis.

I think it would be very difficult to actually identify anything that is
executed from a LINK, XCTL, or LOAD function.  Very little in SMF other than the
pgmname that can be captured.  If you are asking - Can I identify when a
subroutine SUBA is called - probably not.  If you want to know when MAINA is
used, probably yes


What you could do is download from CBTTAPE.ORG the utility DAF (Dataset Audit
Facility).
   File # 094 DAF from Mike Cleary - Dataset Audit Facility

It can read all SMF Data and provide summary information based on

Program Name
Job Name
Date
DSN

And so forth.

I used it recently to see anything touching a specific library or program name.
It was very helpful.

You can see if DAF can help.

Hope that helps.

Lizette




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Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 6:13 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We need to
know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed anywhere in the sysplex by any
batch program.  We do collect SMF data, but I need to know which one may
help, if any.

I am not the systems programmer here, so I do not have access to any systems-
level SMF parameter information or operator commands, I have to request that
information from the performance team.  I am just an application programmer
trying to track information down to aid an application project.

TIA for any assistance you can provide.

Peter
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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Jousma, David]

Im not aware of any method using existing system services to track execution of 
subroutines below PGM=.   It would certainly be helpful to us, as we have (I'm) 
many old application programs that pollute our system, but no one knows if they 
are in use or not.  This is becoming somewhat of a issue for us as we are 
starting the migration to EC V6.1, and are forced to minimally 
convert/recompile OS VS programs, and some VS Cobol II.   I am pretty sure of 
the thousands of these we have, there is a large percentage that are not in 
use.   Oh well, that will be the problem for the application teams to figure 
out I guess.   ;)

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Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:02 AM
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Unfortunately I have no access to any SMF data here and I am prohibited from 
running DCOLLECT for myself by security rules, so DAF while no doubt useful to 
others is not much use to me here.

These are old dynamically LOADed and called COBOL subroutines that we are not 
sure of the actual usage.  If they ever do get LOADed and called they will 
DISPLAY identifying information in SYSOUT, but that then requires reading the 
SYSOUT archive extensively to determine whether they were ever actually used.  
That also only answers the question of usage for as far back as the SYSOUT 
archive holds, which can be an issue if actual usage is (for instance) yearly 
or less often.

Archive scanning is tedious but doable.  My initial request was part of 
deciding whether we need to use the tedious path or not.

Thanks again for your prompt reply.

Peter

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Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

There was a product you could purchase called SoftAudit.  It could do some of 
what you are looking for (If I remember correctly)

The other options some shops took, was having their programs issue a WTO 
indicating what module called what.  Probably well past what you could work 
with at this point.

Another option was to create a calling program, that would cut an user SMF 
record to collect some of this data.


Where you are at, you might need to purchase a product, like SoftAudit, that 
could do some of this analysis.  

I think it would be very difficult to actually identify anything that is 
executed from a LINK, XCTL, or LOAD function.  Very little in SMF other than 
the pgmname that can be captured.  If you are asking - Can I identify when a 
subroutine SUBA is called - probably not.  If you want to know when MAINA is 
used, probably yes


What you could do is download from CBTTAPE.ORG the utility DAF (Dataset Audit 
Facility).  
  File # 094 DAF from Mike Cleary - Dataset Audit Facility

It can read all SMF Data and provide summary information based on

   Program Name
   Job Name 
   Date 
   DSN

And so forth.

I used it recently to see anything touching a specific library or program name.
It was very helpful.

You can see if DAF can help.

Hope that helps.

Lizette

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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 6:13 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
> 
> As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We 
> need to know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed anywhere in the 
> sysplex by any batch program.  We do collect SMF data, but I need to 
> know which one may help, if any.
> 
> I am not the systems programmer here, so I do not have access to any
> systems- level SMF parameter information or operator commands, I have 
> to request that information from the performance team.  I am just an 
> application programmer trying to track information down to aid an application 
> project.
> 
> TIA for any assistance you can provide.
> 
> Peter
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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Unfortunately I have no access to any SMF data here and I am prohibited from 
running DCOLLECT for myself by security rules, so DAF while no doubt useful to 
others is not much use to me here.

These are old dynamically LOADed and called COBOL subroutines that we are not 
sure of the actual usage.  If they ever do get LOADed and called they will 
DISPLAY identifying information in SYSOUT, but that then requires reading the 
SYSOUT archive extensively to determine whether they were ever actually used.  
That also only answers the question of usage for as far back as the SYSOUT 
archive holds, which can be an issue if actual usage is (for instance) yearly 
or less often.

Archive scanning is tedious but doable.  My initial request was part of 
deciding whether we need to use the tedious path or not.

Thanks again for your prompt reply.

Peter

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

There was a product you could purchase called SoftAudit.  It could do some of 
what you are looking for (If I remember correctly)

The other options some shops took, was having their programs issue a WTO 
indicating what module called what.  Probably well past what you could work 
with at this point.

Another option was to create a calling program, that would cut an user SMF 
record to collect some of this data.


Where you are at, you might need to purchase a product, like SoftAudit, that 
could do some of this analysis.  

I think it would be very difficult to actually identify anything that is 
executed from a LINK, XCTL, or LOAD function.  Very little in SMF other than 
the pgmname that can be captured.  If you are asking - Can I identify when a 
subroutine SUBA is called - probably not.  If you want to know when MAINA is 
used, probably yes


What you could do is download from CBTTAPE.ORG the utility DAF (Dataset Audit 
Facility).  
  File # 094 DAF from Mike Cleary - Dataset Audit Facility

It can read all SMF Data and provide summary information based on

   Program Name
   Job Name 
   Date 
   DSN

And so forth.

I used it recently to see anything touching a specific library or program name.
It was very helpful.

You can see if DAF can help.

Hope that helps.

Lizette

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> On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 6:13 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
> 
> As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We 
> need to know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed anywhere in the 
> sysplex by any batch program.  We do collect SMF data, but I need to 
> know which one may help, if any.
> 
> I am not the systems programmer here, so I do not have access to any 
> systems- level SMF parameter information or operator commands, I have 
> to request that information from the performance team.  I am just an 
> application programmer trying to track information down to aid an application 
> project.
> 
> TIA for any assistance you can provide.
> 
> Peter
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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Lizette Koehler]

There was a product you could purchase called SoftAudit.  It could do some of
what you are looking for (If I remember correctly)

The other options some shops took, was having their programs issue a WTO
indicating what module called what.  Probably well past what you could work with
at this point.

Another option was to create a calling program, that would cut an user SMF
record to collect some of this data.


Where you are at, you might need to purchase a product, like SoftAudit, that
could do some of this analysis.  

I think it would be very difficult to actually identify anything that is
executed from a LINK, XCTL, or LOAD function.  Very little in SMF other than the
pgmname that can be captured.  If you are asking - Can I identify when a
subroutine SUBA is called - probably not.  If you want to know when MAINA is
used, probably yes


What you could do is download from CBTTAPE.ORG the utility DAF (Dataset Audit
Facility).  
  File # 094 DAF from Mike Cleary - Dataset Audit Facility

It can read all SMF Data and provide summary information based on

   Program Name
   Job Name 
   Date 
   DSN

And so forth.

I used it recently to see anything touching a specific library or program name.
It was very helpful.

You can see if DAF can help.

Hope that helps.

Lizette



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> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 6:13 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
> 
> As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We need to
> know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed anywhere in the sysplex by any
> batch program.  We do collect SMF data, but I need to know which one may
> help, if any.
> 
> I am not the systems programmer here, so I do not have access to any systems-
> level SMF parameter information or operator commands, I have to request that
> information from the performance team.  I am just an application programmer
> trying to track information down to aid an application project.
> 
> TIA for any assistance you can provide.
> 
> Peter
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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Thank you all for the prompt replies. Much appreciated.

Peter

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This has been discussed not so long ago, I think. I remember I mentioned my LLA 
exits.

Kees.

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> Subject: Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?
> 
> Simple answer: NO, there is no SMF tracking of the LOAD functionality in
> z/OS.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 <
> peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote:
> 
> > As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We
> need
> > to know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed anywhere in the sysplex
> by
> > any batch program.  We do collect SMF data, but I need to know which
> one
> > may help, if any.
> >
> > I am not the systems programmer here, so I do not have access to any
> > systems-level SMF parameter information or operator commands, I have
> to
> > request that information from the performance team.  I am just an
> > application programmer trying to track information down to aid an
> > application project.
> >
> > TIA for any assistance you can provide.
> >
> > Peter
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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM]

This has been discussed not so long ago, I think. I remember I mentioned my LLA 
exits.

Kees.

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> 
> Simple answer: NO, there is no SMF tracking of the LOAD functionality in
> z/OS.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 <
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> > As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We
> need
> > to know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed anywhere in the sysplex
> by
> > any batch program.  We do collect SMF data, but I need to know which
> one
> > may help, if any.
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> > I am not the systems programmer here, so I do not have access to any
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> to
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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

[Charles Mills]

No. SMF 30 subtype 5 (?) has the jobstep program name, the USS program name
if any, and the program in the step that used the most CPU. That last field
is occasionally useful for situations such as yours.

Charles


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Subject: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We need
to know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed anywhere in the sysplex by
any batch program.  We do collect SMF data, but I need to know which one may
help, if any.

I am not the systems programmer here, so I do not have access to any
systems-level SMF parameter information or operator commands, I have to
request that information from the performance team.  I am just an
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application project.

TIA for any assistance you can provide.

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Re: Any SMF statistics available for LOAD of a program?

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Simple answer: NO, there is no SMF tracking of the LOAD functionality in
z/OS.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 <
peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote:

> As the subject says, are there any such SMF statistics available?  We need
> to know if certain subroutines are ever LOADed anywhere in the sysplex by
> any batch program.  We do collect SMF data, but I need to know which one
> may help, if any.
>
> I am not the systems programmer here, so I do not have access to any
> systems-level SMF parameter information or operator commands, I have to
> request that information from the performance team.  I am just an
> application programmer trying to track information down to aid an
> application project.
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> TIA for any assistance you can provide.
>
> Peter
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