Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
This last instance I was using an internet search tool, it took me to an IBM KC page, others in my team were trying to get to the same or other doc and had the same issue, I'm not sure HOW they got there but they were never redirected to a correct page. Carmen On 1/21/2022 6:24 PM, Roger Bolan wrote: Just a question. Are you still using old links to the "Knowledge Center" site or new links to the "IBM Documentation" site? For example: Seehttps://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0 for the z/OS 2.40 books. I have been using the "IBM Documentation" site all day yesterday and today and haven't noticed any problems. --Roger On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:36 AM Richards, Robert B. (CTR) < 01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books. to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the | update makes and what pages to remove and replace? taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to no help with all the products that now encompass the base I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, last I head that's not working? or de funked? I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any cfg file to make this happen locally Carmen On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote: To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc. And for our clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database. Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a s/p had QuickRef. If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left. I don't know what I would have done without it. It's almost impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes. Ramsey Hallman MVS/QuickRef Development Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen wrote: Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder! Best regards, René. Sent from my iPad On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom wrote: One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and stable API interface would be welcome. Matt Hogstrom PGP key 0F143BC1 On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans < 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. --- --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to l
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
Just a question. Are you still using old links to the "Knowledge Center" site or new links to the "IBM Documentation" site? For example: See https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0 for the z/OS 2.40 books. I have been using the "IBM Documentation" site all day yesterday and today and haven't noticed any problems. --Roger On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:36 AM Richards, Robert B. (CTR) < 01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985? > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Carmen Vitullo > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? > > not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books. > > to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates > periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the > > | update makes and what pages to remove and replace? > > taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to > no help with all the products that now encompass the base > > I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability > to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a > great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, > last I head that's not working? or de funked? > > I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E > or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be > willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any > cfg file to make this happen locally > > Carmen > > > > On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote: > > To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the > > IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, > > internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc. And for our > > clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire, > > let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to > our database. > > > > Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in > > as a s/p had QuickRef. If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time > I left. > > I don't know what I would have done without it. It's almost > > impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software > changes. > > > > Ramsey Hallman > > MVS/QuickRef Development > > Chicago-Soft, Ltd. > > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René > > Jansen > > wrote: > > > >> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in > >> which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s > >> to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome > >> to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the > >> docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even > >> generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS > >> newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder! > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> René. > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > >>> > >>> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs > >>> to > >> read the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The > >> document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and > >> a supported and stable API interface would be welcome. > >>> Matt Hogstrom > >>> PGP key 0F143BC1 > >>> > >>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans < > >> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? > >>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. > >>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never > >>>> went > >> down :-) but think of the trees. > >>>> Damn ! Am I that old ? > >>>> > >>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. > >>>> > >>>> --- > >>>> --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>>> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > >>>> IBM-MAIN > >>
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
I'd settle for more complete PDF metadata and an OOREXX package to read them, to include * Authors when applicable * Date * Edition * Editors when appropriate * Form code * Title * URL for citing -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of René Jansen [rene.vincent.jan...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder! Best regards, René. Sent from my iPad > On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > > One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read > the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The document > database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and > stable API interface would be welcome. > > Matt Hogstrom > PGP key 0F143BC1 > >> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans >> <03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down >> :-) but think of the trees. >> Damn ! Am I that old ? >> >> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
I remember independent TNLs hitting the same page, neither including the new text of the other. The indexed BM READ collections were a major improvement, IMHO, although they messed up diagrams. The PDF manuals should have had equivalent functionality, but they're no there yet. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books. to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the | update makes and what pages to remove and replace? taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to no help with all the products that now encompass the base I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, last I head that's not working? or de funked? I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any cfg file to make this happen locally Carmen On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote: > To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and > ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or > not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc. And for our clients, if there is > content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will > do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database. > > Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a > s/p had QuickRef. If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left. > I don't know what I would have done without it. It's almost impossible to > keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes. > > Ramsey Hallman > MVS/QuickRef Development > Chicago-Soft, Ltd. > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen > wrote: > >> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which >> progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything >> are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by >> e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these >> were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of >> these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your >> finger in the blue binder! >> >> Best regards, >> >> René. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom wrote: >>> >>> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to >> read the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The document >> database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and >> stable API interface would be welcome. >>> Matt Hogstrom >>> PGP key 0F143BC1 >>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans < >> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went >> down :-) but think of the trees. >>>> Damn ! Am I that old ? >>>> >>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email tolists...@lists
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
I have to correct me speeling again :) *| update marks and what pages to remove and replace? *IIRC Bob, yeah that's about right, till about 1998-99 or so Carmen ** On 1/21/2022 11:35 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books. to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the | update makes and what pages to remove and replace? taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to no help with all the products that now encompass the base I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, last I head that's not working? or de funked? I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any cfg file to make this happen locally Carmen On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote: To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc. And for our clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database. Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a s/p had QuickRef. If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left. I don't know what I would have done without it. It's almost impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes. Ramsey Hallman MVS/QuickRef Development Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen wrote: Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder! Best regards, René. Sent from my iPad On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom wrote: One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and stable API interface would be welcome. Matt Hogstrom PGP key 0F143BC1 On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans < 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. --- --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books. to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the | update makes and what pages to remove and replace? taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to no help with all the products that now encompass the base I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, last I head that's not working? or de funked? I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any cfg file to make this happen locally Carmen On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote: > To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the > IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, > internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc. And for our > clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire, > let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to our > database. > > Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in > as a s/p had QuickRef. If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I > left. > I don't know what I would have done without it. It's almost > impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes. > > Ramsey Hallman > MVS/QuickRef Development > Chicago-Soft, Ltd. > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René > Jansen > wrote: > >> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in >> which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s >> to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome >> to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the >> docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even >> generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS >> newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder! >> >> Best regards, >> >> René. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom wrote: >>> >>> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs >>> to >> read the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The >> document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and >> a supported and stable API interface would be welcome. >>> Matt Hogstrom >>> PGP key 0F143BC1 >>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans < >> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never >>>> went >> down :-) but think of the trees. >>>> Damn ! Am I that old ? >>>> >>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >>>> IBM-MAIN >>> >>> -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >>> IBM-MAIN >> - >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books. to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the | update makes and what pages to remove and replace? taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to no help with all the products that now encompass the base I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, last I head that's not working? or de funked? I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any cfg file to make this happen locally Carmen On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote: To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc. And for our clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database. Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a s/p had QuickRef. If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left. I don't know what I would have done without it. It's almost impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes. Ramsey Hallman MVS/QuickRef Development Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen wrote: Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder! Best regards, René. Sent from my iPad On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom wrote: One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and stable API interface would be welcome. Matt Hogstrom PGP key 0F143BC1 On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans < 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc. And for our clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database. Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a s/p had QuickRef. If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left. I don't know what I would have done without it. It's almost impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes. Ramsey Hallman MVS/QuickRef Development Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen wrote: > Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which > progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything > are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by > e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these > were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of > these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your > finger in the blue binder! > > Best regards, > > René. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > > > > One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to > read the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The document > database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and > stable API interface would be welcome. > > > > Matt Hogstrom > > PGP key 0F143BC1 > > > >> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans < > 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> > >> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? > >> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. > >> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went > down :-) but think of the trees. > >> Damn ! Am I that old ? > >> > >> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder! Best regards, René. Sent from my iPad > On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > > One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read > the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The document > database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and > stable API interface would be welcome. > > Matt Hogstrom > PGP key 0F143BC1 > >> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans >> <03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down >> :-) but think of the trees. >> Damn ! Am I that old ? >> >> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Speaking about bookmanager - I am right in assuming the Linux version is MIA? I was looking into making a Docker container for my older books - to run on the Mac actually - but could not find that anymore. Is there a good bookmanager—>pdf conversion somewhere? Best regards, René. > On 21 Jan 2022, at 17:06, Carmen Vitullo wrote: > > I also like Book-manager, and agree the search function once the index was > built the first time was very good. > > we merged our systems doc using Book-manager build with the book-manager doc > and placed that doc on the same Book-manager server...running OS/2 Warp :) > > Carmen > > >> On 1/21/2022 9:58 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: >> I always liked the HTML versions, and much prefer the search facility that >> came with those. But once IBM discontinued them, I bit the bullet and now >> have a sizable collection of PDFs. It's true there's an advantage of being >> able to look in them even when my internet connection is down. >> >> --- >> Bob Bridges,robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >> >> /* Often when I'm reading a good book I stop and thank my teacher. That is >> I used to until she got an unlisted number. */ >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> Hank Oerlemans >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 17:18 >> >> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down >> :-) but think of the trees. >> Damn ! Am I that old ? >> >> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- > /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, > but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody > that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him > when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I also like Book-manager, and agree the search function once the index was built the first time was very good. we merged our systems doc using Book-manager build with the book-manager doc and placed that doc on the same Book-manager server...running OS/2 Warp :) Carmen On 1/21/2022 9:58 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: I always liked the HTML versions, and much prefer the search facility that came with those. But once IBM discontinued them, I bit the bullet and now have a sizable collection of PDFs. It's true there's an advantage of being able to look in them even when my internet connection is down. --- Bob Bridges,robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Often when I'm reading a good book I stop and thank my teacher. That is I used to until she got an unlisted number. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 17:18 How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I always liked the HTML versions, and much prefer the search facility that came with those. But once IBM discontinued them, I bit the bullet and now have a sizable collection of PDFs. It's true there's an advantage of being able to look in them even when my internet connection is down. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Often when I'm reading a good book I stop and thank my teacher. That is I used to until she got an unlisted number. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 17:18 How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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good point, and normally not inserted unless I know I've loaded new content that I want to save and I use the last USB port on the front of this tower to recharge my wireless ear pods :) On 1/21/2022 9:31 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: I'd suggest to remove the stick. And insert it only when doing backup. Reason: cyber resiliency. Ransomware could destroy content of both your primary HDD/SSD and backup device. And it's worth to have two (or more) devices. And round robin. I did it. My backup space is IMHO huge - approx. 70GB. So I use regular HDD in external case, USB attached. However incremental backup takes approx. 4-5 minutes. Yes, I have a lot of pictures, PDFs, etc. But I do not modify majority of these pictures. The most of time spent for backup is checking directiories against content change. (Of course it's scripted). -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'd suggest to remove the stick. And insert it only when doing backup. Reason: cyber resiliency. Ransomware could destroy content of both your primary HDD/SSD and backup device. And it's worth to have two (or more) devices. And round robin. I did it. My backup space is IMHO huge - approx. 70GB. So I use regular HDD in external case, USB attached. However incremental backup takes approx. 4-5 minutes. Yes, I have a lot of pictures, PDFs, etc. But I do not modify majority of these pictures. The most of time spent for backup is checking directiories against content change. (Of course it's scripted). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 21.01.2022 o 16:12, Carmen Vitullo pisze: indeed, that's why I still use this Desktop, but my hard drive is still a 1tb spinner :( I have my USB stick loaded all the time and run incremental backups daily. my last PC had a disk controller failure and I ALMOST lost all my doc/pictures and NO - I'm not going to any cloud :) Carmen On 1/21/2022 9:05 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: A home computer is a device with a comfortable keyboard, a decent pointing device and a large* UHD monitor. Of course, a 2 TB or larger SSD wouldn't hurt. * FSVO large that grows every year. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Richards, Robert B. (CTR) [01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:58 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days. What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company PC's and Laptops :( Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. Just ask the Iranians. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of René Jansen Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people! You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators. Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. Best regards, René. On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise it was all hand coded. Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject valid characters. Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Classification: Confidential The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the are replacing
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One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read the IBM document database. If one exists please share. The document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and stable API interface would be welcome. Matt Hogstrom PGP key 0F143BC1 > On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans > <03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? > Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. > I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) > but think of the trees. > Damn ! Am I that old ? > > I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I understand why companies are providing and locking down their laptops. They connect to the company network and can easily infect other systems. The most annoying feature is the lack of ability to plug in external storage (not just USBs). The answer is push everything to the cloud. I’ve seen too many cases where one person is not diligent and causes the most harm so the answer is lock down everything and deal with exceptions; which are few and far between. Matt Hogstrom PGP key 0F143BC1 > On Jan 21, 2022, at 09:50, Carmen Vitullo wrote: > > for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on > company PC's and Laptops :( > > Carmen > >> On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: >> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. >> >> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work >> computer. Just ask the Iranians. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> René Jansen >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM >> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >> >> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, >> people! >> >> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In >> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very >> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an >> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites >> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online >> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, >> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based >> emulators. >> >> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. >> >> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational >> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern >> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. >> >> Best regards, >> >> René. >> >> >>>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >>> >>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was >>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you >>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the >>> better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. >>> >>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team >>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! >>> otherwise it was all hand coded. >>> >>> >>> Carmen >>> >>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page >>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, >>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, >>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the >>>> user the required format and to reject valid characters. >>>> >>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>>> >>>> >>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >>>> behalf of Allan Staller >>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] >>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>>> >>>> Classification: Confidential >>>> >>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those >>>> the are replacing. >>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>>> >>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you >>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be >>>>
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indeed, that's why I still use this Desktop, but my hard drive is still a 1tb spinner :( I have my USB stick loaded all the time and run incremental backups daily. my last PC had a disk controller failure and I ALMOST lost all my doc/pictures and NO - I'm not going to any cloud :) Carmen On 1/21/2022 9:05 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: A home computer is a device with a comfortable keyboard, a decent pointing device and a large* UHD monitor. Of course, a 2 TB or larger SSD wouldn't hurt. * FSVO large that grows every year. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Richards, Robert B. (CTR) [01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:58 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days. What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company PC's and Laptops :( Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. Just ask the Iranians. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of René Jansen Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people! You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators. Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. Best regards, René. On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise it was all hand coded. Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject valid characters. Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Classification: Confidential The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the are replacing. I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListOn Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ?
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LOL! my home desktop tower, is an HP Pavilion, 4G of memory, a 2.4 GHZ AMD processor chip running winders 10 64bit not winders 11 compatable, but it still runs Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:58 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days. What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company PC's and Laptops :( Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. Just ask the Iranians. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of René Jansen Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people! You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators. Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. Best regards, René. On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise it was all hand coded. Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject valid characters. Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Classification: Confidential The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the are replacing. I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListOn Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, sendemailtolists...@listserv.ua.eduwith the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without re
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A home computer is a device with a comfortable keyboard, a decent pointing device and a large* UHD monitor. Of course, a 2 TB or larger SSD wouldn't hurt. * FSVO large that grows every year. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Richards, Robert B. (CTR) [01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days. What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company PC's and Laptops :( Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. > > Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. > Just ask the Iranians. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of René Jansen > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? > > My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, > people! > > You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In > fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very > bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an > absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites > using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online > of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, > and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based > emulators. > > Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. > > My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational > copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern > high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. > > Best regards, > > René. > > >> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >> >> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was >> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you >> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, >> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. >> >> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team >> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! >> otherwise it was all hand coded. >> >> >> Carmen >> >>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page >>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, >>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, >>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user >>> the required format and to reject valid characters. >>> >>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>> >>> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >>> behalf of Allan Staller >>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] >>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>> >>> Classification: Confidential >>> >>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those >>> the are replacing. >>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans >>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>> >>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the
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This reminds me of the TED talk by Danny Hillis (who is from Baltimore) https://www.ted.com/talks/danny_hillis_the_internet_could_crash_we_need_a_plan_b -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of René Jansen Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people! You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators. Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. Best regards, René. > On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: > > I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was > intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want > to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no > glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. > > the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team > members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! > otherwise it was all hand coded. > > > Carmen > >> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page >> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, >> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail >> addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the >> required format and to reject valid characters. >> >> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >> Allan Staller [00000387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM >> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >> >> Classification: Confidential >> >> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those >> the are replacing. >> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> Hank Oerlemans >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM >> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >> >> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the >> sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, >> which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] >> >> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down >> :-) but think of the trees. >> Damn ! Am I that old ? >> >> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email >> tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> ::DISCLAIMER:: >> >> The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and >> intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not >> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, >> corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain >> viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without >> referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator >> or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email >> are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or >> opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any
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I have all the 2.3 and 2.3 z/OS and products doc on our company share, my issue was my co-worker was working with the IBM DEBUG team and a new parm was provided for COBOL that aided in debug was not in this original doc. I'd have to check my holddata for any hold actions for DOC that I may have missed. something I normally do is send the update for AO and DOC to the team, since support for COBOL was moved to me just recently, I'm sure it was something I overlooked thanks Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:55 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Download to a network on your work PC. If you are paranoid* then make local copies of the most critical. At today's disk and SSD prices, it's a lot more affordable than it used to be. * Even paranoids have real enemies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:49 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company PC's and Laptops :( Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. Just ask the Iranians. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of René Jansen Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people! You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators. Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. Best regards, René. On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise it was all hand coded. Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject valid characters. Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Classification: Confidential The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the are replacing. I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListOn Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, sendemailtolists...@listserv.ua.eduwith the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: _
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Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days. What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company PC's and Laptops :( Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. > > Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. > Just ask the Iranians. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of René Jansen > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? > > My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, > people! > > You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In > fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very > bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an > absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites > using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online > of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, > and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based > emulators. > > Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. > > My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational > copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern > high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. > > Best regards, > > René. > > >> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >> >> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was >> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you >> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, >> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. >> >> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team >> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! >> otherwise it was all hand coded. >> >> >> Carmen >> >>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page >>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, >>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, >>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user >>> the required format and to reject valid characters. >>> >>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>> >>> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >>> behalf of Allan Staller >>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] >>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>> >>> Classification: Confidential >>> >>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those >>> the are replacing. >>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans >>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>> >>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you >>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be >>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise >>> your Computer.] >>> >>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down >>> :-) but think of the trees. >>> Damn ! Am I that old ? >>> >>> I'm gonna download the pdf
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Download to a network on your work PC. If you are paranoid* then make local copies of the most critical. At today's disk and SSD prices, it's a lot more affordable than it used to be. * Even paranoids have real enemies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company PC's and Laptops :( Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. > > Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. > Just ask the Iranians. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > René Jansen > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM > To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? > > My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, > people! > > You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In > fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very > bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an > absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites > using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online > of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, > and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based > emulators. > > Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. > > My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational > copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern > high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. > > Best regards, > > René. > > >> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >> >> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was >> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you >> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, >> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. >> >> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team >> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! >> otherwise it was all hand coded. >> >> >> Carmen >> >>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page >>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, >>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, >>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user >>> the required format and to reject valid characters. >>> >>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>> >>> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >>> behalf of Allan Staller >>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] >>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>> >>> Classification: Confidential >>> >>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those >>> the are replacing. >>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans >>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>> >>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you >>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be >>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise >>> your Computer.] >>> >>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down >>> :-) but think of the trees. >>> Damn ! Am I that old ? &g
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Of course. I am very biased against company provided laptops. Also, using your own for the docs provides the extra screen real estate, and - most of the time - better resolution needed for reading comfort. Of course my machines have an up to date copy of the stick on SSD. And when a company has sensible VPN access, a better 3270 emulator. @Carmen - having an undocumented parm for COBOL deserves an immediate Documentation APAR. Paying for software means having supported documentation, which is up to date. Please ask them in the APAR to have synchronised sources for the PDF and the website, where the PDF is the primary output. I am not sure what is happening to IBM. Is COBOL now also outsourced? Best regards, René. Sent from my iPad > On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:47, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) > <01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. > > Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. > Just ask the Iranians. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > René Jansen > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? > > My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, > people! > > You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In > fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very > bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an > absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites > using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online > of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, > and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based > emulators. > > Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. > > My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational > copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern > high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. > > Best regards, > > René. > > >> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >> >> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was >> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you >> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, >> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. >> >> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team >> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! >> otherwise it was all hand coded. >> >> >> Carmen >> >>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page >>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, >>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, >>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user >>> the required format and to reject valid characters. >>> >>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>> >>> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >>> behalf of Allan Staller >>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] >>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>> >>> Classification: Confidential >>> >>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those >>> the are replacing. >>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans >>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >>> >>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you >>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be >>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise >>> your Computer.] >>> >>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >>> Just when it
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for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company PC's and Laptops :( Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. Just ask the Iranians. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of René Jansen Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people! You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators. Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. Best regards, René. On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise it was all hand coded. Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject valid characters. Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Classification: Confidential The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the are replacing. I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for virus
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I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. Just ask the Iranians. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of René Jansen Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people! You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators. Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. Best regards, René. > On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: > > I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was > intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want > to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no > glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. > > the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team > members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! > otherwise it was all hand coded. > > > Carmen > >> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page >> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, >> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail >> addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the >> required format and to reject valid characters. >> >> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >> behalf of Allan Staller >> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >> >> Classification: Confidential >> >> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those >> the are replacing. >> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >> >> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you >> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be >> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise >> your Computer.] >> >> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down >> :-) but think of the trees. >> Damn ! Am I that old ? >> >> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. >> >> - >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> ::DISCLAIMER:: >> >> The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and >> intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not >> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, >> corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain >> viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without >> referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator >> or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email >> are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or >> opinions of HCL or its a
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+1 good point, in my case, a new COBOL parm, not documented in the doc we had downloaded was not provided thus the need to get up to date content. do we now need to mimic what SMP/E does for system maint and holddata and run a ORDER from server to make sure we have up to date, valid content? Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:40 AM, René Jansen wrote: My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people! You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators. Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. Best regards, René. On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise it was all hand coded. Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject valid characters. Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Classification: Confidential The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the are replacing. I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emailtolist
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My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people! You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators. Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space. My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not. Best regards, René. > On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo wrote: > > I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was > intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want > to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no > glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. > > the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team > members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! > otherwise it was all hand coded. > > > Carmen > >> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page >> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, >> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail >> addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the >> required format and to reject valid characters. >> >> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >> Allan Staller [00000387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM >> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >> >> Classification: Confidential >> >> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those >> the are replacing. >> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> Hank Oerlemans >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM >> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? >> >> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the >> sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, >> which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] >> >> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? >> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. >> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down >> :-) but think of the trees. >> Damn ! Am I that old ? >> >> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email >> tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> ::DISCLAIMER:: >> >> The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and >> intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not >> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, >> corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain >> viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without >> referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator >> or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email >> are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or >> opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, >> copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this >> message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of >> HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please >> delete it and notify the sender immediately.
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I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons. the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise it was all hand coded. Carmen On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject valid characters. Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Classification: Confidential The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the are replacing. I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject valid characters. Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? Classification: Confidential The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the are replacing. I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I wonder if IBM realises that these tools showcase IBM products. Do I want tools and products like this to run my business? On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 at 12:18, Allan Staller < 0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Classification: Confidential > > The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those > the are replacing. > I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Hank Oerlemans > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust > the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing > email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] > > How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? > Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. > I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down > :-) but think of the trees. > Damn ! Am I that old ? > > I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ::DISCLAIMER:: > > The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and > intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not > guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, > corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain > viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without > referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator > or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this > email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the > views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, > dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or > publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized > representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before > opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and > other defects. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Classification: Confidential The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the are replacing. I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
How many online systems have IBM put out there now ? Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again. I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) but think of the trees. Damn ! Am I that old ? I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
Another new Doc site :( ? thank you Kolusu, but why can't IBM redirect me to the new site? IIRC some time back a redirect from IBM sent me to a page that told me to save the new linkthen I was redirected automagically Carmen On 1/20/2022 2:15 PM, Sri h Kolusu wrote: Carmen, Try using the new docs site https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/products Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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That was down earlier this morning also. It is up now. Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:15 PM Sri h Kolusu wrote: > Carmen, > > Try using the new docs site > > https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/products > > Thanks, > Kolusu > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Carmen, Try using the new docs site https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/products Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
Exactly what I needed Peter, thanks again for your help Carmen On 1/20/2022 1:50 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: For just the COBOL manuals, this link is working for me from my work machine: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/enterprise-cobol-zos-documentation-library HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:59 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? :( - ok thanks for checking Mike Carmen On 1/20/2022 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote: Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today. Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo wrote: I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for some new doc for Enterprise Cobol 6.2, someone was asking for new options? and I cannot get the IBM's KC from work or home Carmen -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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thanks Peter, I'll check it out Carmen On 1/20/2022 1:50 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: For just the COBOL manuals, this link is working for me from my work machine: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/enterprise-cobol-zos-documentation-library HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:59 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? :( - ok thanks for checking Mike Carmen On 1/20/2022 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote: Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today. Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo wrote: I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for some new doc for Enterprise Cobol 6.2, someone was asking for new options? and I cannot get the IBM's KC from work or home Carmen -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
For just the COBOL manuals, this link is working for me from my work machine: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/enterprise-cobol-zos-documentation-library HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down? :( - ok thanks for checking Mike Carmen On 1/20/2022 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote: > Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today. > > Mike Shaw > MVS/QuickRef Support Group > Chicago-Soft, Ltd. > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo wrote: > >> I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for >> some new doc for Enterprise Cobol 6.2, someone was asking for new >> options? and I cannot get the IBM's KC from work or home Carmen -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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:( - ok thanks for checking Mike Carmen On 1/20/2022 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote: Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today. Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo wrote: I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for some new doc for Enterprise Cobol 6.2, someone was asking for new options? and I cannot get the IBM's KC from work or home Carmen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today. Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo wrote: > I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for some > new doc for Enterprise Cobol 6.2, someone was asking for new options? and I > cannot get the IBM's KC from work or home > Carmen > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
