Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 01:41:14 -0700, Roger Steyn wrote: In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it becomes necessary that i have to identify all the jobs which are currently using this feature and have them converted before going further Have you considered changing your STORCLAS ACS routine to direct the SORTWKxx data sets to disk? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
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Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
Doesn't SMF 14 / 15 help you here? Probably 15 as it's SORTWK etc. The problem will be identifying the actual sort work DD statement names. Maybe 30 can also do it - assuming it marks a DD as tape. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Roger Steyn roger.st...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 09:41 AM Subject:Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Greetings , We are currently using syncsort 1.3.2 and would like to upgrade it to new version 1.4 . In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it becomes necessary that i have to identify all the jobs which are currently using this feature and have them converted before going further . I need suggestions from people who has done this upgrade successfully in a production environment .I called up the support guys , and they told me to identify the jobs using tape sort in the currently installed release . I did some research on this and found 3 conditions to be satisfied in order to user tape sort feature a) SORTLIB DD statement in their JCL b) SYNCTAPE library in the linklist - (Which i already found to be there ) c) SORTWRK DD statements will have UNIT=TAPE Since we have thousands of jobs running in our environment , it is difficult to check the JCL of every job manually . Is there a different way to get this done ? Any sort of help is much appreciated Thanks in Advance, Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
That's true - but they're different. Not knowing them well enough I can't say but there might be an indicator that says tape sort work in them. By default they're SMF 208 (and most customers don't change them). I'm sure MXG has them taped. :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 09:49 AM Subject:Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Does Syncsort write its own SMF records, like DFsort, from which you can identify the jobs you are looking for? Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:46 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Doesn't SMF 14 / 15 help you here? Probably 15 as it's SORTWK etc. The problem will be identifying the actual sort work DD statement names. Maybe 30 can also do it - assuming it marks a DD as tape. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Roger Steyn roger.st...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 09:41 AM Subject:Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Greetings , We are currently using syncsort 1.3.2 and would like to upgrade it to new version 1.4 . In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it becomes necessary that i have to identify all the jobs which are currently using this feature and have them converted before going further . I need suggestions from people who has done this upgrade successfully in a production environment .I called up the support guys , and they told me to identify the jobs using tape sort in the currently installed release . I did some research on this and found 3 conditions to be satisfied in order to user tape sort feature a) SORTLIB DD statement in their JCL b) SYNCTAPE library in the linklist - (Which i already found to be there ) c) SORTWRK DD statements will have UNIT=TAPE Since we have thousands of jobs running in our environment , it is difficult to check the JCL of every job manually . Is there a different way to get this done ? Any sort of help is much appreciated Thanks in Advance, Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
Hi, As far as I know, Syncsort SMF does not have an indicator for tape sort. But, it does have a section for each SORTWORK allocated, that includes a device type, unit address and volser. That may help, but you may need to write your own program.. I would use SMF 14/15; There are many SAS and Rexx examples laying around. And the CBT can also help in decoding those records.. Of course, MXG can make things a lot simpler. Best Regards, Yifat -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! That's true - but they're different. Not knowing them well enough I can't say but there might be an indicator that says tape sort work in them. By default they're SMF 208 (and most customers don't change them). I'm sure MXG has them taped. :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 09:49 AM Subject:Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Does Syncsort write its own SMF records, like DFsort, from which you can identify the jobs you are looking for? Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:46 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Doesn't SMF 14 / 15 help you here? Probably 15 as it's SORTWK etc. The problem will be identifying the actual sort work DD statement names. Maybe 30 can also do it - assuming it marks a DD as tape. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Roger Steyn roger.st...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 09:41 AM Subject:Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Greetings , We are currently using syncsort 1.3.2 and would like to upgrade it to new version 1.4 . In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it becomes necessary that i have to identify all the jobs which are currently using this feature and have them converted before going further . I need suggestions from people who has done this upgrade successfully in a production environment .I called up the support guys , and they told me to identify the jobs using tape sort in the currently installed release . I did some research on this and found 3 conditions to be satisfied in order to user tape sort feature a) SORTLIB DD statement in their JCL b) SYNCTAPE library in the linklist - (Which i already found to be there ) c) SORTWRK DD statements will have UNIT=TAPE Since we have thousands of jobs running in our environment , it is difficult to check the JCL of every job manually . Is there a different way to get this done ? Any sort of help is much appreciated Thanks in Advance, Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
The problem of using SMF14/15 could be to determine the real DDnames used for the sortwk's. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Yifat Oren Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:37 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Hi, As far as I know, Syncsort SMF does not have an indicator for tape sort. But, it does have a section for each SORTWORK allocated, that includes a device type, unit address and volser. That may help, but you may need to write your own program.. I would use SMF 14/15; There are many SAS and Rexx examples laying around. And the CBT can also help in decoding those records.. Of course, MXG can make things a lot simpler. Best Regards, Yifat -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! That's true - but they're different. Not knowing them well enough I can't say but there might be an indicator that says tape sort work in them. By default they're SMF 208 (and most customers don't change them). I'm sure MXG has them taped. :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 09:49 AM Subject:Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Does Syncsort write its own SMF records, like DFsort, from which you can identify the jobs you are looking for? Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:46 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Doesn't SMF 14 / 15 help you here? Probably 15 as it's SORTWK etc. The problem will be identifying the actual sort work DD statement names. Maybe 30 can also do it - assuming it marks a DD as tape. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Roger Steyn roger.st...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 09:41 AM Subject:Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Greetings , We are currently using syncsort 1.3.2 and would like to upgrade it to new version 1.4 . In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it becomes necessary that i have to identify all the jobs which are currently using this feature and have them converted before going further . I need suggestions from people who has done this upgrade successfully in a production environment .I called up the support guys , and they told me to identify the jobs using tape sort in the currently installed release . I did some research on this and found 3 conditions to be satisfied in order to user tape sort feature a) SORTLIB DD statement in their JCL b) SYNCTAPE library in the linklist - (Which i already found to be there ) c) SORTWRK DD statements will have UNIT=TAPE Since we have thousands of jobs running in our environment , it is difficult to check the JCL of every job manually . Is there a different way to get this done ? Any sort of help is much appreciated Thanks in Advance, Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
Roger, What you mean by it's not supported? could you please extend on it... We running with syncsort 1.4.1 version and tried below simple JCL to sort where input and output both dataset are tape and it worked ok... //SHOWDEF EXEC PGM=ICETOOL,REGION=0M //TOOLMSG DD SYSOUT=* //IN1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0008V00 //OUT1 DD DSN=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST(+1), //DISP=(NEW,CATLG),UNIT=TAPE //DFSMSGDD SYSOUT=* //LIST1 DD SYSOUT=* //TOOLINDD * COPY FROM(IN1) TO(OUT1) USING(CTL1) /* //CTL1CNTL DD * OPTION VLSHRT SORT FIELDS=(1,121,CH,A) NODUPS /* 04.41.07 JOB08934 TUESDAY, 03 SEP 2013 04.41.07 JOB08934 IRR010I USERID NBKEODV IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. 04.41.07 JOB08934 ICH70001I NBKEODV LAST ACCESS AT 04:39:17 ON TUESDAY, SEPTEM 04.41.07 JOB08934 $HASP373 NBKEODVT STARTED - WLM INIT - SRVCLASS WLMDEVMD - S 04.41.07 JOB08934 NBUSI05I - REGION SET: 8,300KB BELOW;272MB ABOVE; MEMLIM 04.41.07 JOB08934 IEF403I NBKEODVT - STARTED - TIME=04.41.07 04.41.07 JOB08934 IEF233A M 6F78,PRIVAT,SL,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF, 770 770 NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0011V00 04.41.08 JOB08934 IECTMS9 6F78,E23720,NBKEODVT,OUT1,CATALOG ,1,X09.TE 04.41.08 JOB08934 IEC705I TAPE ON 6F78,E23720,SL,COMP,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF,NBKEODV. 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEC205I OUT1,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF,FILESEQ=1, COMPLETE VOLUME LIST 773 DSN=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0011V00,VOLS=E23720,TOTALBLOCKS=1 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEF234E K 6F78,E23720,PVT,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF 04.41.12 JOB08934 *IEFACTRT* J=NBKEODVT,S=(001,.SHOWDEF ),RCODE= 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEF196I *IEFACTRT* J=NBKEODVT,S=(001,.SHOWDEF ),RCODE 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEF404I NBKEODVT - ENDED - TIME=04.41.12 04.41.12 JOB08934 $HASP395 NBKEODVT ENDED OPTION VLSHRT SORT FIELDS=(1,121,CH,A) NODUPS PARMLIST : OPTION RESINV=0,ARESINV=0,MSGDDN=DFSMSG,SORTIN=IN1,SORTOUT=OUT1,SORTDD=CTL1,COP WER428I CALLER-PROVIDED IDENTIFIER IS 0001 WER276B SYSDIAG= 53406, 816556, 816556, 1604325 WER164B 8,876K BYTES OF VIRTUAL STORAGE AVAILABLE, MAX REQUESTED, WER164B 0 BYTES RESERVE REQUESTED, 6,116K BYTES USED WER146B 20K BYTES OF EMERGENCY SPACE ALLOCATED WER108I IN1 : RECFM=FBA ; LRECL= 121; BLKSIZE= 121 WER073I IN1 : DSNAME=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0008V00 WER110I OUT1 : RECFM=FBA ; LRECL= 121; BLKSIZE= 32670 WER074I OUT1 : DSNAME=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0011V00 WER410B 7,848K BYTES OF VIRTUAL STORAGE AVAILABLE ABOVE THE 16MEG LINE, WER410B 0 BYTES RESERVE REQUESTED, 6,008K BYTES USED WER211B SYNCSMF CALLED BY SYNCSORT; RC= WER449I SYNCSORT GLOBAL DSM SUBSYSTEM ACTIVE WER416B IN1 : EXCP'S=10,UNIT=3390,DEV=C988,CHP=(1727FBFC3754EAEB,1),VOL=1 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
I think it's tape sort WORK data sets that aren't supported - judging by others' contributions to this thread. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Ravi Gaur gaur.ravi2...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 10:44 AM Subject:Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Roger, What you mean by it's not supported? could you please extend on it... We running with syncsort 1.4.1 version and tried below simple JCL to sort where input and output both dataset are tape and it worked ok... //SHOWDEF EXEC PGM=ICETOOL,REGION=0M //TOOLMSG DD SYSOUT=* //IN1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0008V00 //OUT1 DD DSN=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST(+1), //DISP=(NEW,CATLG),UNIT=TAPE //DFSMSGDD SYSOUT=* //LIST1 DD SYSOUT=* //TOOLINDD * COPY FROM(IN1) TO(OUT1) USING(CTL1) /* //CTL1CNTL DD * OPTION VLSHRT SORT FIELDS=(1,121,CH,A) NODUPS /* 04.41.07 JOB08934 TUESDAY, 03 SEP 2013 04.41.07 JOB08934 IRR010I USERID NBKEODV IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. 04.41.07 JOB08934 ICH70001I NBKEODV LAST ACCESS AT 04:39:17 ON TUESDAY, SEPTEM 04.41.07 JOB08934 $HASP373 NBKEODVT STARTED - WLM INIT - SRVCLASS WLMDEVMD - S 04.41.07 JOB08934 NBUSI05I - REGION SET: 8,300KB BELOW;272MB ABOVE; MEMLIM 04.41.07 JOB08934 IEF403I NBKEODVT - STARTED - TIME=04.41.07 04.41.07 JOB08934 IEF233A M 6F78,PRIVAT,SL,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF, 770 770 NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0011V00 04.41.08 JOB08934 IECTMS9 6F78,E23720,NBKEODVT,OUT1,CATALOG ,1,X09.TE 04.41.08 JOB08934 IEC705I TAPE ON 6F78,E23720,SL,COMP,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF,NBKEODV. 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEC205I OUT1,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF,FILESEQ=1, COMPLETE VOLUME LIST 773 DSN=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0011V00,VOLS=E23720,TOTALBLOCKS=1 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEF234E K 6F78,E23720,PVT,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF 04.41.12 JOB08934 *IEFACTRT* J=NBKEODVT,S=(001,.SHOWDEF ),RCODE= 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEF196I *IEFACTRT* J=NBKEODVT,S=(001,.SHOWDEF ),RCODE 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEF404I NBKEODVT - ENDED - TIME=04.41.12 04.41.12 JOB08934 $HASP395 NBKEODVT ENDED OPTION VLSHRT SORT FIELDS=(1,121,CH,A) NODUPS PARMLIST : OPTION RESINV=0,ARESINV=0,MSGDDN=DFSMSG,SORTIN=IN1,SORTOUT=OUT1,SORTDD=CTL1,COP WER428I CALLER-PROVIDED IDENTIFIER IS 0001 WER276B SYSDIAG= 53406, 816556, 816556, 1604325 WER164B 8,876K BYTES OF VIRTUAL STORAGE AVAILABLE, MAX REQUESTED, WER164B 0 BYTES RESERVE REQUESTED, 6,116K BYTES USED WER146B 20K BYTES OF EMERGENCY SPACE ALLOCATED WER108I IN1 : RECFM=FBA ; LRECL= 121; BLKSIZE= 121 WER073I IN1 : DSNAME=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0008V00 WER110I OUT1 : RECFM=FBA ; LRECL= 121; BLKSIZE= 32670 WER074I OUT1 : DSNAME=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0011V00 WER410B 7,848K BYTES OF VIRTUAL STORAGE AVAILABLE ABOVE THE 16MEG LINE, WER410B 0 BYTES RESERVE REQUESTED, 6,008K BYTES USED WER211B SYNCSMF CALLED BY SYNCSORT; RC= WER449I SYNCSORT GLOBAL DSM SUBSYSTEM ACTIVE WER416B IN1 : EXCP'S=10,UNIT=3390,DEV=C988,CHP=(1727FBFC3754EAEB,1),VOL=1 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
That's correct Martin . It is the tape sort work datasets that are not supported . Syncsort support says that they have a new function called MAXSORT in the new release which has replaced the tape sort feature due to poor performance . Ravi , You wouldn't be having SYNCTAPE load library with v1.4.1 .But they were used in prior releases . Syncsort vendor wanted me to identify all the jobs first so that they can be converted to use MAXSORT . Was syncsort recently upgraded to 1.4.1 in your shop ? Also , tape sort is not compatible with VTS . Regards, Roger From: Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! I think it's tape sort WORK data sets that aren't supported - judging by others' contributions to this thread. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Ravi Gaur gaur.ravi2...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Roger, What you mean by it's not supported? could you please extend on it... We running with syncsort 1.4.1 version and tried below simple JCL to sort where input and output both dataset are tape and it worked ok... //SHOWDEF EXEC PGM=ICETOOL,REGION=0M //TOOLMSG DD SYSOUT=* //IN1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0008V00 //OUT1 DD DSN=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST(+1), // DISP=(NEW,CATLG),UNIT=TAPE //DFSMSG DD SYSOUT=* //LIST1 DD SYSOUT=* //TOOLIN DD * COPY FROM(IN1) TO(OUT1) USING(CTL1) /* //CTL1CNTL DD * OPTION VLSHRT SORT FIELDS=(1,121,CH,A) NODUPS /* 04.41.07 JOB08934 TUESDAY, 03 SEP 2013 04.41.07 JOB08934 IRR010I USERID NBKEODV IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. 04.41.07 JOB08934 ICH70001I NBKEODV LAST ACCESS AT 04:39:17 ON TUESDAY, SEPTEM 04.41.07 JOB08934 $HASP373 NBKEODVT STARTED - WLM INIT - SRVCLASS WLMDEVMD - S 04.41.07 JOB08934 NBUSI05I - REGION SET: 8,300KB BELOW; 272MB ABOVE; MEMLIM 04.41.07 JOB08934 IEF403I NBKEODVT - STARTED - TIME=04.41.07 04.41.07 JOB08934 IEF233A M 6F78,PRIVAT,SL,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF, 770 770 NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0011V00 04.41.08 JOB08934 IECTMS9 6F78,E23720,NBKEODVT,OUT1 ,CATALOG ,1,X09.TE 04.41.08 JOB08934 IEC705I TAPE ON 6F78,E23720,SL,COMP,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF,NBKEODV. 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEC205I OUT1,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF,FILESEQ=1, COMPLETE VOLUME LIST 773 DSN=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0011V00,VOLS=E23720,TOTALBLOCKS=1 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEF234E K 6F78,E23720,PVT,NBKEODVT,SHOWDEF 04.41.12 JOB08934 *IEFACTRT* J=NBKEODVT,S=(001, .SHOWDEF ),RCODE= 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEF196I *IEFACTRT* J=NBKEODVT,S=(001, .SHOWDEF ),RCODE 04.41.12 JOB08934 IEF404I NBKEODVT - ENDED - TIME=04.41.12 04.41.12 JOB08934 $HASP395 NBKEODVT ENDED OPTION VLSHRT SORT FIELDS=(1,121,CH,A) NODUPS PARMLIST : OPTION RESINV=0,ARESINV=0,MSGDDN=DFSMSG,SORTIN=IN1,SORTOUT=OUT1,SORTDD=CTL1,COP WER428I CALLER-PROVIDED IDENTIFIER IS 0001 WER276B SYSDIAG= 53406, 816556, 816556, 1604325 WER164B 8,876K BYTES OF VIRTUAL STORAGE AVAILABLE, MAX REQUESTED, WER164B 0 BYTES RESERVE REQUESTED, 6,116K BYTES USED WER146B 20K BYTES OF EMERGENCY SPACE ALLOCATED WER108I IN1 : RECFM=FBA ; LRECL= 121; BLKSIZE= 121 WER073I IN1 : DSNAME=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0008V00 WER110I OUT1 : RECFM=FBA ; LRECL= 121; BLKSIZE= 32670 WER074I OUT1 : DSNAME=NBKEODV.GDG.S1X09.TEST.G0011V00 WER410B 7,848K BYTES OF VIRTUAL STORAGE AVAILABLE ABOVE THE 16MEG LINE, WER410B 0 BYTES RESERVE REQUESTED, 6,008K BYTES USED WER211B SYNCSMF CALLED BY SYNCSORT; RC= WER449I SYNCSORT GLOBAL DSM SUBSYSTEM ACTIVE WER416B IN1 : EXCP'S=10,UNIT=3390,DEV=C988,CHP=(1727FBFC3754EAEB,1),VOL=1 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff
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On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:46:13 +0100, Martin Packer wrote: Doesn't SMF 14 / 15 help you here? Probably 15 as it's SORTWK etc. The problem will be identifying the actual sort work DD statement names. Maybe 30 can also do it - assuming it marks a DD as tape. And assuming that the job in question has been run within the SMF retention interval. From: Roger Steyn Date: 09/03/2013 09:41 AM ... I did some research on this and found 3 conditions to be satisfied in order to user tape sort feature a) SORTLIB DD statement in their JCL b) SYNCTAPE library in the linklist - (Which i already found to be there ) c) SORTWRK DD statements will have UNIT=TAPE And assuming that the data sets are not dynamically allocated, so the DD statements appear in JCL. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 2013-09-03 14:17, Russell Witt pisze: Roger, In addition to reviewing your SMF14/15 records; you might also check what information might be available from your Tape Management System. Many record creating-program; and even better would be creating-DDNAME. I would do a test using TAPE as your SORTWK01; find the records created in your TMS system and then analyze any audit records you might have. Of course, the possibility always exists that you have a production job that is only run once-a-year using TAPE as SORTWK; and this hasn't been run for many months. But that would be a very rare situation. IMHO it's better to have control of production jobs. Such jobs, run daily, monthly or yearly, should reside in designated JCL libraries, not user PDSes, or just everywhere. Having the above implemented it's piece of cake to check and change such thing like SORTWK DDnames. BTDT. The rest of jobs should be considered as private jobs or ad-hoc tools and such jobs are usually submitted by folks who understand its structure and are qualified enough to modify DDnames. Some remarks 1. AFAIK sort on tape is considered obsolete for many years, isn't it? 2. AFAIK both Syncsort and DFSort do manage sort works dynamically, so (in most cases at least) the best idea is just to omit SORTWK ddnames. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2013 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.555.904 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
Roger, Can't you use a program that will read the members of a pds and search for UNIT=TAPE on SORTWKnn DD statements? You should be able to search all of your production libraries fairly quickly to identify all of the jobs. Hopefully you have standards so that production is all in a small set of libraries. I know there is a program on the CBT tape that allows you to do that. Since I've retired, I forgot what it was. Eric Bielefeld z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Roger Steyn roger.st...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:41 AM Subject: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Greetings , We are currently using syncsort 1.3.2 and would like to upgrade it to new version 1.4 . In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it becomes necessary that i have to identify all the jobs which are currently using this feature and have them converted before going further . I need suggestions from people who has done this upgrade successfully in a production environment .I called up the support guys , and they told me to identify the jobs using tape sort in the currently installed release . I did some research on this and found 3 conditions to be satisfied in order to user tape sort feature a) SORTLIB DD statement in their JCL b) SYNCTAPE library in the linklist - (Which i already found to be there ) c) SORTWRK DD statements will have UNIT=TAPE Since we have thousands of jobs running in our environment , it is difficult to check the JCL of every job manually . Is there a different way to get this done ? Any sort of help is much appreciated Thanks in Advance, Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Can't you use a program that will read the members of a pds and search for UNIT=TAPE on SORTWKnn DD statements? You should be able to search all of your production libraries fairly quickly to identify all of the jobs. Hopefully you have standards so that production is all in a small set of libraries. I know there is a program on the CBT tape that allows you to do that. Since I've retired, I forgot what it was. SuperC? (not available from CBT.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yes . That would work fine in the case of scheduled jobs . But in our shop,there is one more challenge that we have a lot of Auto-sched jobs (jobs that are trigerred externally from an MQ server ). And i do not know how many of them use tape sorting . This makes the task more difficult . From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Can't you use a program that will read the members of a pds and search for UNIT=TAPE on SORTWKnn DD statements? You should be able to search all of your production libraries fairly quickly to identify all of the jobs. Hopefully you have standards so that production is all in a small set of libraries. I know there is a program on the CBT tape that allows you to do that. Since I've retired, I forgot what it was. SuperC? (not available from CBT.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Back 40 years ago we sorted the name address file everyweek and IIRC that was 40M records. Yes we used tape sort. It ran standalone (except for the onlines) they finally broke it down to several sorts and a merge as we didn't have tape/disk drives (can't remember the number off the top of my head but I think 50 drives) it ran all day Sunday and night. Ed On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote: Unless you are really out of the ordinary, I would expect the use of SORTWKnn on tape to be rare. AFAIK, It's purpose was for large sorts in the ancient days of expensive disk. It took extra effort to set-up. I believe we had one job back in the 80's and it was changed away from TAPESORT at some time in the 90's. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- m...@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! I hope there's still some sort of centralised control and/or library. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Roger Steyn roger.st...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:29:12 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Yes . That would work fine in the case of scheduled jobs . But in our shop,there is one more challenge that we have a lot of Auto- sched jobs (jobs that are trigerred externally from an MQ server ). And i do not know how many of them use tape sorting . This makes the task more difficult . From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Can't you use a program that will read the members of a pds and search for UNIT=TAPE on SORTWKnn DD statements? You should be able to search all of your production libraries fairly quickly to identify all of the jobs. Hopefully you have standards so that production is all in a small set of libraries. I know there is a program on the CBT tape that allows you to do that. Since I've retired, I forgot what it was. SuperC? (not available from CBT.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
You didn't mention whether your tape drives are real or virtual. If they are real, asking the Operators might get you close. Jobs that run a long time and tie up a large number of phsycial drives tend to annoy and get noticed by Operators. They might even notice jobs using a large number of virtual drives for a long time if that causes drive-availability issues for other jobs. Unless you have local standards that require a UNIT=TAPE to be on the first record of a SORTWKnn DD statement, scanning JCL would require some logic beyond just searching for character strings. Not a full JCL parse, but enough to only note when UNIT=TAPE is in the first record or a continuation record for a SORTWKnn DD statement. Perhaps PDS 8.6 was the CBT PDS search tool that was being remembered. I think find is one of its many functions, but I don't remember if it has the smarts to look for two strings that might be close together but on different records. Syncsort MAXSORT is a new feature only in comparison to very ancient usage of tape SORTWK. MAXSORT has been around for at least 15 years, maybe longer. Joel C Ewing On 09/03/2013 01:29 PM, Roger Steyn wrote: Yes . That would work fine in the case of scheduled jobs . But in our shop,there is one more challenge that we have a lot of Auto-sched jobs (jobs that are trigerred externally from an MQ server ). And i do not know how many of them use tape sorting . This makes the task more difficult . From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Can't you use a program that will read the members of a pds and search for UNIT=TAPE on SORTWKnn DD statements? You should be able to search all of your production libraries fairly quickly to identify all of the jobs. Hopefully you have standards so that production is all in a small set of libraries. I know there is a program on the CBT tape that allows you to do that. Since I've retired, I forgot what it was. SuperC? (not available from CBT.) -- gil -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 3 Sep 2013 06:21:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: W dniu 2013-09-03 14:17, Russell Witt pisze: Roger, In addition to reviewing your SMF14/15 records; you might also check what information might be available from your Tape Management System. Many record creating-program; and even better would be creating-DDNAME. I would do a test using TAPE as your SORTWK01; find the records created in your TMS system and then analyze any audit records you might have. Of course, the possibility always exists that you have a production job that is only run once-a-year using TAPE as SORTWK; and this hasn't been run for many months. But that would be a very rare situation. IMHO it's better to have control of production jobs. Such jobs, run daily, monthly or yearly, should reside in designated JCL libraries, not user PDSes, or just everywhere. Having the above implemented it's piece of cake to check and change such thing like SORTWK DDnames. BTDT. The rest of jobs should be considered as private jobs or ad-hoc tools and such jobs are usually submitted by folks who understand its structure and are qualified enough to modify DDnames. Some remarks 1. AFAIK sort on tape is considered obsolete for many years, isn't it? 2. AFAIK both Syncsort and DFSort do manage sort works dynamically, so (in most cases at least) the best idea is just to omit SORTWK ddnames. Syncsort 1.4 seems very old since I recall using 3.7 back in 2006 (and that may be fuzzy and really be the 1990s). Syncsort MFX seems to be the current offering. Clark Morris -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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PDS 8.6 was the tool I used, but it was one of the special programs you had to compile and add to it for added function. I can't remember if the 2nd parameter had to be on the same line, or if it actually had logic to figure out if it was on the same DD card. Going back a few weeks, I remember doing a LOT of tape sorting on a pair of 1410 computers. One had 4 tape drives, the other had 5. I know there were lots and lots of tape sorts then. This company, which was a division of Philip Morris at the time, had an interesting choice they made shortly before I started. They had a sister company in NY. They were givin a choice of an old 360 Mod 50 (I think), or another 1410. They chose the 1410, as they wouldn't need to convert anything. The 2 1410's actually shared a 1310 (I think) disk drive. You could only use it on 1 machined at a time, and had to do a reset before you could use it on the other one. The 1310 was between 2-3 feet in diameter. Eric Bielefeld - Original Message - From: Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org Perhaps PDS 8.6 was the CBT PDS search tool that was being remembered. I think find is one of its many functions, but I don't remember if it has the smarts to look for two strings that might be close together but on different records. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
Step 1 of 26 jobs that run weekly here... all virtual 3490. IEC205I O4170811,I4172TAM,OSSORT,FILESEQ=1, COMPLETE VOLUME LIST, DSN=SYS13221.T024827.RA000.I4172TAM.R0536336, VOLS=V99685,W48653,W49651,W51394,W49733,W51426,W51740,W50789, VOLS=W53558,W51451,W53648,W54852,W55272,W53187,W58534,W53865, VOLS=V88953,V49754,V84397,V54602,W57132,W48285,V98618,W61367, VOLS=W61484,W64410,V37807,V26144,V61036,V32871,V26218,V26564, VOLS=V32907,V26632,TOTALBLOCKS=3393517 Jay Campbell IBM OS Support Section -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Unless you are really out of the ordinary, I would expect the use of SORTWKnn on tape to be rare. AFAIK, It's purpose was for large sorts in the ancient days of expensive disk. It took extra effort to set-up. I believe we had one job back in the 80's and it was changed away from TAPESORT at some time in the 90's. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! I hope there's still some sort of centralised control and/or library. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Roger Steyn roger.st...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:29:12 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Yes . That would work fine in the case of scheduled jobs . But in our shop,there is one more challenge that we have a lot of Auto-sched jobs (jobs that are trigerred externally from an MQ server ). And i do not know how many of them use tape sorting . This makes the task more difficult . From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Can't you use a program that will read the members of a pds and search for UNIT=TAPE on SORTWKnn DD statements? You should be able to search all of your production libraries fairly quickly to identify all of the jobs. Hopefully you have standards so that production is all in a small set of libraries. I know there is a program on the CBT tape that allows you to do that. Since I've retired, I forgot what it was. SuperC? (not available from CBT.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
The current Syncsort mainframe sorting product is MFX 1.4. The shift of the product name from SyncSort to MFX happened while I was away from Syncsort. Chris Blaicher Principal Software Engineer, Software Development Syncsort Incorporated 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677 P: 201-930-8260 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! On 3 Sep 2013 06:21:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Syncsort 1.4 seems very old since I recall using 3.7 back in 2006 (and that may be fuzzy and really be the 1990s). Syncsort MFX seems to be the current offering. Clark Morris -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ATTENTION: - The information contained in this message (including any files transmitted with this message) may contain proprietary, trade secret or other confidential and/or legally privileged information. Any pricing information contained in this message or in any files transmitted with this message is always confidential and cannot be shared with any third parties without prior written approval from Syncsort. This message is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and/or Syncsort and destroy all copies of this message in your possession, custody or control. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
Yes...I was referring to MFX 1.4 ... From: Blaicher, Christopher Y. cblaic...@syncsort.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 4:37 AM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! The current Syncsort mainframe sorting product is MFX 1.4. The shift of the product name from SyncSort to MFX happened while I was away from Syncsort. Chris Blaicher Principal Software Engineer, Software Development Syncsort Incorporated 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677 P: 201-930-8260 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! On 3 Sep 2013 06:21:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Syncsort 1.4 seems very old since I recall using 3.7 back in 2006 (and that may be fuzzy and really be the 1990s). Syncsort MFX seems to be the current offering. Clark Morris -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ATTENTION: - The information contained in this message (including any files transmitted with this message) may contain proprietary, trade secret or other confidential and/or legally privileged information. Any pricing information contained in this message or in any files transmitted with this message is always confidential and cannot be shared with any third parties without prior written approval from Syncsort. This message is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and/or Syncsort and destroy all copies of this message in your possession, custody or control. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
Well, real SysProgs still think of it as SyncSort. MFX!!! I remember being totally turned off by the name change. Makes me think of a cross between MX missiles and Special Effects, not sorting. No doubt the stupidity of some marketing neophyte who thought it would be cute to have a product name that didn't tell what the product did or what platform it was designed for! Joel C Ewing On 09/03/2013 06:34 PM, Roger Steyn wrote: Yes...I was referring to MFX 1.4 ... From: Blaicher, Christopher Y. cblaic...@syncsort.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 4:37 AM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! The current Syncsort mainframe sorting product is MFX 1.4. The shift of the product name from SyncSort to MFX happened while I was away from Syncsort. Chris Blaicher Principal Software Engineer, Software Development Syncsort Incorporated 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677 P: 201-930-8260 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! On 3 Sep 2013 06:21:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Syncsort 1.4 seems very old since I recall using 3.7 back in 2006 (and that may be fuzzy and really be the 1990s). Syncsort MFX seems to be the current offering. Clark Morris -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
I hope there's still some sort of centralised control and/or library. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Roger Steyn roger.st...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:29:12 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Yes . That would work fine in the case of scheduled jobs . But in our shop,there is one more challenge that we have a lot of Auto-sched jobs (jobs that are trigerred externally from an MQ server ). And i do not know how many of them use tape sorting . This makes the task more difficult . From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Can't you use a program that will read the members of a pds and search for UNIT=TAPE on SORTWKnn DD statements? You should be able to search all of your production libraries fairly quickly to identify all of the jobs. Hopefully you have standards so that production is all in a small set of libraries. I know there is a program on the CBT tape that allows you to do that. Since I've retired, I forgot what it was. SuperC? (not available from CBT.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
Why does not SyncSort put out a PTF to MFX 1.3 to report in some way (SMF?) on all tape sorts? That would seem to be a reasonable help for your customers before 1.4 leaves them in the lurch. You never want to erect obstacles to upgrading to a new release. Not a good thing when customers might say well heck, if we're going to have to struggle to upgrade to 1.4 we might just as well go to the competition. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Blaicher, Christopher Y. Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! The current Syncsort mainframe sorting product is MFX 1.4. The shift of the product name from SyncSort to MFX happened while I was away from Syncsort. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:04:10 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: Back 40 years ago we sorted the name address file everyweek and IIRC that was 40M records. Yes we used tape sort. It ran standalone (except for the onlines) they finally broke it down to several sorts and a merge as we didn't have tape/disk drives (can't remember the number off the top of my head but I think 50 drives) it ran all day Sunday and night. I should think that type of update should avail much performance because the prior week's master file is already sorted. On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:21:12 +, Campbell Jay wrote: Step 1 of 26 jobs that run weekly here... all virtual 3490. If an application benefits by using virtual tape over (relatively) real DASD for workfiles, it needs redesign. On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:53:35 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: Well, real SysProgs still think of it as SyncSort. MFX!!! I remember being totally turned off by the name change. Makes me think of a cross between MX missiles and Special Effects, not sorting. No doubt the stupidity of some marketing neophyte who thought it would be cute to have a product name that didn't tell what the product did or what platform it was designed for! The marketing neophyte failed to consider that some customers would be tempted to play on YA pair of initials in that abbreviation. (Makes me think of the old all-purpose card handling equipment.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !
http://gsf-soft.com/Products/PDSEDIT.html The above link might help Joe. Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 01:41:14 -0700 From: roger.st...@yahoo.com Subject: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Greetings , We are currently using syncsort 1.3.2 and would like to upgrade it to new version 1.4 . In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it becomes necessary that i have to identify all the jobs which are currently using this feature and have them converted before going further . I need suggestions from people who has done this upgrade successfully in a production environment .I called up the support guys , and they told me to identify the jobs using tape sort in the currently installed release . I did some research on this and found 3 conditions to be satisfied in order to user tape sort feature a) SORTLIB DD statement in their JCL b) SYNCTAPE library in the linklist - (Which i already found to be there ) c) SORTWRK DD statements will have UNIT=TAPE Since we have thousands of jobs running in our environment , it is difficult to check the JCL of every job manually . Is there a different way to get this done ? Any sort of help is much appreciated Thanks in Advance, Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
