Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread RPN01
That seems a lot of work, when you could just ask the system who it is, and
set the system's name based on its serial number.

On the TCPIP front, again, you can just have two config files w/ the system
name as the FN, and be done with it. No editing at startup.

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   /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW
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On 10/4/07 5:04 PM, Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We have two FLEX-ES systems on opposite ends of the campus.
 
 The DR system does not have as many tape drives as the production
 system.  The production system has a drive at 0591 but the DR system
 does not.
 
 In the AUTOLOG1 DIRECT I haveDEDICATE 0591 0591
 
 When AUTOLOG1 starts up it does a   CP Q V 0591   and if it doesn't
 exist I know I am on the DR machine.
 
 AUOTLOG1 also has write access to TCPMAINTs 198 disk.  If I am not
 on the production machine then an EXEC on AUTOLOG1 changes the IP
 address in PROFILE TCPIP, DETACHES 198 and then AUTOLOGs TCPIP.
 
 If 0591 exists I know I am on the production machine so I just DETACH
 it and continue with the production startup.
 
 /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock


Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Stracka, James (GTI)
That is why we have our users run an exec that tests the CPUID and
System Configuration file name.  You need to distinguish among:  Normal
production, Test CNR and Production CNR.  We want it to be completely
automated once the system is IPLed.

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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:36 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: D/R Code


We run a lot of things off of the system name, so it needs to be
the same, whether we are on processor A, processor B as real dr or
processor B as test DR. 
MA


On 10/5/07, RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

That seems a lot of work, when you could just ask the
system who it is, and
set the system's name based on its serial number.

On the TCPIP front, again, you can just have two config
files w/ the system
name as the FN, and be done with it. No editing at
startup. 

--
   .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation
   /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW
  /( )\   507-284-0844  Rochester, MN 55905
  ^^-^^   -
In theory, theory and practice are the same,
but 
 in practice, theory and practice are
different.





On 10/4/07 5:04 PM, Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 We have two FLEX-ES systems on opposite ends of the
campus. 

 The DR system does not have as many tape drives as the
production
 system.  The production system has a drive at 0591 but
the DR system
 does not.

 In the AUTOLOG1 DIRECT I haveDEDICATE 0591 0591 

 When AUTOLOG1 starts up it does a   CP Q V 0591   and
if it doesn't
 exist I know I am on the DR machine.

 AUOTLOG1 also has write access to TCPMAINTs 198 disk.
If I am not
 on the production machine then an EXEC on AUTOLOG1
changes the IP 
 address in PROFILE TCPIP, DETACHES 198 and then
AUTOLOGs TCPIP.

 If 0591 exists I know I am on the production machine
so I just DETACH
 it and continue with the production startup.

 /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of
Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock


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Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Stracka, James (GTI)
Great, but you would like that to be set automatically somehow, not
manually after each IPL.

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Personally I like the idea of being able set a CP system
variable. CP SET SYSTEM VARIABLE 'variable name' 'variable data'.
That way each installation could easily customize how they
wanted to use the variables. Maybe even allow x-system variables.  

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:36 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: D/R Code


We run a lot of things off of the system name, so it
needs to be the same, whether we are on processor A, processor B as real
dr or processor B as test DR. 
MA


On 10/5/07, RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

That seems a lot of work, when you could just
ask the system who it is, and
set the system's name based on its serial
number.

On the TCPIP front, again, you can just have two
config files w/ the system
name as the FN, and be done with it. No editing
at startup. 

--
   .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo
Foundation
   /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First
Street SW
  /( )\   507-284-0844  Rochester,
MN 55905
  ^^-^^   -
In theory, theory and practice are the
same, but 
 in practice, theory and practice are
different.





On 10/4/07 5:04 PM, Fran Hensler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We have two FLEX-ES systems on opposite ends
of the campus. 

 The DR system does not have as many tape
drives as the production
 system.  The production system has a drive at
0591 but the DR system
 does not.

 In the AUTOLOG1 DIRECT I haveDEDICATE 0591
0591 

 When AUTOLOG1 starts up it does a   CP Q V
0591   and if it doesn't
 exist I know I am on the DR machine.

 AUOTLOG1 also has write access to TCPMAINTs
198 disk.  If I am not
 on the production machine then an EXEC on
AUTOLOG1 changes the IP 
 address in PROFILE TCPIP, DETACHES 198 and
then AUTOLOGs TCPIP.

 If 0591 exists I know I am on the production
machine so I just DETACH
 it and continue with the production startup.

 /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of
Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1.724.738.2153
 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery
Rock 




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Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Huegel, Thomas
Personally I like the idea of being able set a CP system variable. CP SET
SYSTEM VARIABLE 'variable name' 'variable data'.
That way each installation could easily customize how they wanted to use the
variables. Maybe even allow x-system variables.  

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:36 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: D/R Code


We run a lot of things off of the system name, so it needs to be the same,
whether we are on processor A, processor B as real dr or processor B as test
DR. 
MA


On 10/5/07, RPN01  [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 

That seems a lot of work, when you could just ask the system who it is, and
set the system's name based on its serial number.

On the TCPIP front, again, you can just have two config files w/ the system
name as the FN, and be done with it. No editing at startup. 

--
   .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation
   /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW
  /( )\   507-284-0844  Rochester, MN 55905
  ^^-^^   -
In theory, theory and practice are the same, but 
 in practice, theory and practice are different.





On 10/4/07 5:04 PM, Fran Hensler  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 We have two FLEX-ES systems on opposite ends of the campus. 

 The DR system does not have as many tape drives as the production
 system.  The production system has a drive at 0591 but the DR system
 does not.

 In the AUTOLOG1 DIRECT I haveDEDICATE 0591 0591 

 When AUTOLOG1 starts up it does a   CP Q V 0591   and if it doesn't
 exist I know I am on the DR machine.

 AUOTLOG1 also has write access to TCPMAINTs 198 disk.  If I am not
 on the production machine then an EXEC on AUTOLOG1 changes the IP 
 address in PROFILE TCPIP, DETACHES 198 and then AUTOLOGs TCPIP.

 If 0591 exists I know I am on the production machine so I just DETACH
 it and continue with the production startup.

 /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
We run a lot of things off of the system name, so it needs to be the same,
whether we are on processor A, processor B as real dr or processor B as test
DR.
MA

On 10/5/07, RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That seems a lot of work, when you could just ask the system who it is,
 and
 set the system's name based on its serial number.

 On the TCPIP front, again, you can just have two config files w/ the
 system
 name as the FN, and be done with it. No editing at startup.

 --
.~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation
/V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW
   /( )\   507-284-0844  Rochester, MN 55905
   ^^-^^   -
 In theory, theory and practice are the same, but
  in practice, theory and practice are different.





 On 10/4/07 5:04 PM, Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  We have two FLEX-ES systems on opposite ends of the campus.
 
  The DR system does not have as many tape drives as the production
  system.  The production system has a drive at 0591 but the DR system
  does not.
 
  In the AUTOLOG1 DIRECT I haveDEDICATE 0591 0591
 
  When AUTOLOG1 starts up it does a   CP Q V 0591   and if it doesn't
  exist I know I am on the DR machine.
 
  AUOTLOG1 also has write access to TCPMAINTs 198 disk.  If I am not
  on the production machine then an EXEC on AUTOLOG1 changes the IP
  address in PROFILE TCPIP, DETACHES 198 and then AUTOLOGs TCPIP.
 
  If 0591 exists I know I am on the production machine so I just DETACH
  it and continue with the production startup.
 
  /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44
 years
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
  Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock



Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread pfa
How about a CP SET/QUERY UPSI like they have in DOS :-) 
 




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Personally I like the idea of being able set a CP system variable. CP SET 
SYSTEM VARIABLE 'variable name' 'variable data'.
That way each installation could easily customize how they wanted to use 
the variables. Maybe even allow x-system variables. 
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:36 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: D/R Code

We run a lot of things off of the system name, so it needs to be the same, 
whether we are on processor A, processor B as real dr or processor B as 
test DR. 
MA

On 10/5/07, RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
That seems a lot of work, when you could just ask the system who it is, 
and
set the system's name based on its serial number.

On the TCPIP front, again, you can just have two config files w/ the 
system
name as the FN, and be done with it. No editing at startup. 

--
   .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation
   /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW
  /( )\   507-284-0844  Rochester, MN 55905
  ^^-^^   -
In theory, theory and practice are the same, but 
 in practice, theory and practice are different.





On 10/4/07 5:04 PM, Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We have two FLEX-ES systems on opposite ends of the campus. 

 The DR system does not have as many tape drives as the production
 system.  The production system has a drive at 0591 but the DR system
 does not.

 In the AUTOLOG1 DIRECT I haveDEDICATE 0591 0591 

 When AUTOLOG1 starts up it does a   CP Q V 0591   and if it doesn't
 exist I know I am on the DR machine.

 AUOTLOG1 also has write access to TCPMAINTs 198 disk.  If I am not
 on the production machine then an EXEC on AUTOLOG1 changes the IP 
 address in PROFILE TCPIP, DETACHES 198 and then AUTOLOGs TCPIP.

 If 0591 exists I know I am on the production machine so I just DETACH
 it and continue with the production startup.

 /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 
years
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
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Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Stracka, James (GTI)
Wow, the UPSI switch in DOS JCL!  I have not used that since 1976.  That
brings back some memories.  Thanks

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How about a CP SET/QUERY UPSI like they have in DOS :-)   
  




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Personally I like the idea of being able set a CP system
variable. CP SET SYSTEM VARIABLE 'variable name' 'variable data'. 
That way each installation could easily customize how they
wanted to use the variables. Maybe even allow x-system variables.   
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:36 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: D/R Code

We run a lot of things off of the system name, so it needs to be
the same, whether we are on processor A, processor B as real dr or
processor B as test DR. 
MA

On 10/5/07, RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: 
That seems a lot of work, when you could just ask the system who
it is, and
set the system's name based on its serial number.

On the TCPIP front, again, you can just have two config files w/
the system
name as the FN, and be done with it. No editing at startup. 

--
  .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation
  /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW
 /( )\   507-284-0844  Rochester, MN 55905
 ^^-^^   -
   In theory, theory and practice are the same, but 
in practice, theory and practice are different.





On 10/4/07 5:04 PM, Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 We have two FLEX-ES systems on opposite ends of the campus. 

 The DR system does not have as many tape drives as the
production
 system.  The production system has a drive at 0591 but the DR
system
 does not.

 In the AUTOLOG1 DIRECT I haveDEDICATE 0591 0591 

 When AUTOLOG1 starts up it does a   CP Q V 0591   and if it
doesn't
 exist I know I am on the DR machine.

 AUOTLOG1 also has write access to TCPMAINTs 198 disk.  If I am
not
 on the production machine then an EXEC on AUTOLOG1 changes the
IP 
 address in PROFILE TCPIP, DETACHES 198 and then AUTOLOGs
TCPIP.

 If 0591 exists I know I am on the production machine so I just
DETACH
 it and continue with the production startup.

 /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA
for 44 years
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Rob van der Heij
Following this thread, it looks like I am the only one who has
concerns about code in the system that will distinguish between
production, DR (and maybe even DR test). Most certainly you want such
checks only in your own code (which has no errors and does not need
testing) and not in the code that application folks write ;-)
Otherwise ugly things might happen when you need to move the system to
a new machine or so.

When I was involved with this, I tried very hard to make people use
functional checks only. So if your application needs to connect to
TCPIP, check for TCPIP being present and not whether you're in a
situation where TCPIP should not be present (assuming something
else will arrange to run the alternate stack that prevents the real
network to come up in D/R testing). But I think I lost that
eventually, and we settled on something in the LOGMSG iirc.

Rob


Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Thomas Kern
I don't think this would be for application level usage but only for syst
em
initialaztion, SVM configuration, etc, before real users/apps get started
. 

I don't know if I would want a SAS covering exec to query a system variab
le
to see if it should run, but a SAS SVM should check its PRODUCT
enable/disable values. 

/Tom Kern
/301-903-2211

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:29:36 +0200, Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED] w
rote:

Following this thread, it looks like I am the only one who has
concerns about code in the system that will distinguish between
production, DR (and maybe even DR test). Most certainly you want such
checks only in your own code (which has no errors and does not need
testing) and not in the code that application folks write ;-)
Otherwise ugly things might happen when you need to move the system to
a new machine or so.

When I was involved with this, I tried very hard to make people use
functional checks only. So if your application needs to connect to
TCPIP, check for TCPIP being present and not whether you're in a
situation where TCPIP should not be present (assuming something
else will arrange to run the alternate stack that prevents the real
network to come up in D/R testing). But I think I lost that
eventually, and we settled on something in the LOGMSG iirc.

Rob

=



Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Thomas Kern
Any CP environment variable system needs to be initialized during system
IPL. A new SYSTEM CONFIG entry would be needed for initial variable names

and values. Again arbirary names with arbitrary string values. Through th
e
current SYSTEM CONFIG syntax, you could have different settings based on
different CPUID's. The benefit over the current situation would be that y
ou
could have a whole set of variables set rather than just one GATEWAY name
.
So for your home production system you could have settings for variables 
A B
C D E, and for your home test system have the same values for A B, with
different values for C D E. At your DR TEST site, you could have just a
value for A that indicates some DR scenario, and your OPERATOR profile co
uld
inspect A and ask the operator if this is a DR TEST or a real DR and set
values for B C D E appropriately. All other SVMs, inpsect the value that
they use, if it doesn't exist, exit, if it does exist, do whatever.

/Tom Kern
/301-903-2211


On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:49:38 -0400, Stracka, James (GTI)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Great, but you would like that to be set automatically somehow, not
manually after each IPL.

   -Original Message-
   From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
   Subject: Re: D/R Code

   Personally I like the idea of being able set a CP system
variable. CP SET SYSTEM VARIABLE 'variable name' 'variable data'.
   That way each installation could easily customize how they
wanted to use the variables. Maybe even allow x-system variables.  



Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Mike Walter
IMHO, such a command needs to be set in many ways, including but not 
limited to:
- Permit it to be set as an authorized/restricted CP command (perhaps 
permitting a limited number of Privclass G SET commands for apps to 
use?)
- Permit it to be set by the SYSTEM CONFIG file (perhaps based on CPUID 
via SYSTEM_IDENTIFIER)
- Permit it to be set by SALIPL screen
- Permit it to be set by as a LOADPARM from the CP IPL command
- Permit it to be set as a LOADPARM by CP SHUTDOWN REIPL

Mike Walter 
Hewitt Associates 
Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily 
represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates.



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Great, but you would like that to be set automatically somehow, not 
manually after each IPL.
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:43 AM
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Personally I like the idea of being able set a CP system variable. CP SET 
SYSTEM VARIABLE 'variable name' 'variable data'.
That way each installation could easily customize how they wanted to use 
the variables. Maybe even allow x-system variables. 
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:36 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: D/R Code

We run a lot of things off of the system name, so it needs to be the same, 
whether we are on processor A, processor B as real dr or processor B as 
test DR. 
MA

On 10/5/07, RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
That seems a lot of work, when you could just ask the system who it is, 
and
set the system's name based on its serial number.

On the TCPIP front, again, you can just have two config files w/ the 
system
name as the FN, and be done with it. No editing at startup. 

--
   .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation
   /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW
  /( )\   507-284-0844  Rochester, MN 55905
  ^^-^^   -
In theory, theory and practice are the same, but 
 in practice, theory and practice are different.





On 10/4/07 5:04 PM, Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We have two FLEX-ES systems on opposite ends of the campus. 

 The DR system does not have as many tape drives as the production
 system.  The production system has a drive at 0591 but the DR system
 does not.

 In the AUTOLOG1 DIRECT I haveDEDICATE 0591 0591 

 When AUTOLOG1 starts up it does a   CP Q V 0591   and if it doesn't
 exist I know I am on the DR machine.

 AUOTLOG1 also has write access to TCPMAINTs 198 disk.  If I am not
 on the production machine then an EXEC on AUTOLOG1 changes the IP 
 address in PROFILE TCPIP, DETACHES 198 and then AUTOLOGs TCPIP.

 If 0591 exists I know I am on the production machine so I just DETACH
 it and continue with the production startup.

 /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 
years
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock 



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Re: D/R Code

2007-10-05 Thread Fran Hensler
Robert -

No, it's not a lot of work. it's all automatic thru one EXEC on
AUTOLOG1.  No manual intervention of any kind.

My DR FLEX-ES system has the same serial number as my production
system so checking the CPUID is not an option.

/Fran
-
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:54:08 -0500 Robert P. Nix said:
That seems a lot of work, when you could just ask the system who it is, and
set the system's name based on its serial number.

On the TCPIP front, again, you can just have two config files w/ the system
name as the FN, and be done with it. No editing at startup.

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In theory, theory and practice are the same, but
 in practice, theory and practice are different.





On 10/4/07 5:04 PM, Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We have two FLEX-ES systems on opposite ends of the campus.

 The DR system does not have as many tape drives as the production
 system.  The production system has a drive at 0591 but the DR system
 does not.

 In the AUTOLOG1 DIRECT I haveDEDICATE 0591 0591

 When AUTOLOG1 starts up it does a   CP Q V 0591   and if it doesn't
 exist I know I am on the DR machine.

 AUOTLOG1 also has write access to TCPMAINTs 198 disk.  If I am not
 on the production machine then an EXEC on AUTOLOG1 changes the IP
 address in PROFILE TCPIP, DETACHES 198 and then AUTOLOGs TCPIP.

 If 0591 exists I know I am on the production machine so I just DETACH
 it and continue with the production startup.

 /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock


CSE: It's the little things that'll get ya...

2007-10-05 Thread RPN01
I¹m in the process of building our z/VM 5.3 systems, and I think I¹m down to
the last hurdle I can¹t get CSE to fire up across PVM. The message I¹m
getting in PVM is:

DVMISG864E CSE is not authorized

The description of the message says that CSE is not available or not set up,
but, to the best that I can tell, it should be. My test systems are VMTESTP
and VMTESTG.

The system config file (w/o comments or other non-contributing entries)
contains:

System_Identifier * 025A7E GRIZZLY
System_Identifier * 045A6E POLAR
System_Identifier * 01 VMTESTP
System_Identifier * 02 VMTESTG
System_Identifier_Default  ZVMV5R30

GRIZZLY:  Say System Grizzly, LPAR PENG, starting up...
POLAR:Say System Polar, LPAR GENT, starting up...
VMTESTG:  Say System Sandbox GRIZZLY, starting up...
VMTESTP:  Say System Sandbox POLAR, starting up...
ZVMV5R30: Say UNKNOWN CPUID, PLEASE CHECK CONFIGURATION


POLAR: VMTESTP: ZVMV5R30: System_Residence,
Checkpoint  Volid 530RES   From CYL 21  For 9 ,
Warmstart   Volid 530RES   From CYL 30  For 9

GRIZZLY: VMTESTG: System_Residence,
Checkpoint  Volid 530RES   From CYL  1  For 9 ,
Warmstart   Volid 530RES   From CYL 10  For 9


POLAR: GRIZZLY: XSPOOL_SYSTEM Slot   1 POLAR ,
Communications_Userid PVM Share_Spool yes
POLAR: GRIZZLY: XSPOOL_SYSTEM Slot   2 GRIZZLY ,
Communications_Userid PVM Share_Spool YES
POLAR: GRIZZLY: XSPOOL_SYSTEM Slot   3 RESERVED
POLAR: GRIZZLY: XSPOOL_SYSTEM Slot   4 RESERVED

VMTESTP: VMTESTG: XSPOOL_SYSTEM Slot  1 RESERVED
VMTESTP: VMTESTG: XSPOOL_SYSTEM Slot  2 RESERVED
VMTESTP: VMTESTG: XSPOOL_SYSTEM SLOT  3 ZVMTESTP ,
Communications_Userid PVM Share_Spool yes
VMTESTP: VMTESTG: XSPOOL_SYSTEM Slot  4 ZVMTESTG ,
Communications_Userid PVM Share_Spool YES

XSPOOL_XLIST_INPUT  JANUS GCS PVM TCPIP RSCS OPERATOR FTPSERVE
XSPOOL_XLIST_INPUT  PERFSVM EREP DISKACNT OPERSYMP OPERATNS
XSPOOL_XLIST_INPUT  DTCVSW1 DTCVSW2
XSPOOL_XLIST_OUTPUT JANUS GCS PVM TCPIP RSCS OPERATOR FTPSERVE
XSPOOL_XLIST_OUTPUT PERFSVM EREP DISKACNT OPERSYMP OPERATNS
XSPOOL_XLIST_OUTPUT DTCVSW1 DTCVSW2


VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot   2  530SPL own
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot   3  530PAG
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot   4  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot   5  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot   6  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot   7  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot   8  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot   9  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  10  53GSPL shared
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  11  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  12  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  13  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  14  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  15  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  16  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  17  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  18  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  19  RESERVED
VMTESTP: CP_Owned   Slot  20  RESERVED

VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot   2  530SPL shared
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot   3  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot   4  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot   5  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot   6  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot   7  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot   8  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot   9  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  10  53GSPL own
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  11  53GPAG
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  12  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  13  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  14  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  15  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  16  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  17  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  18  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  19  RESERVED
VMTESTG: CP_Owned   Slot  20  RESERVED

-

The only difference I see between the vmtest setup and the production setup
is in the xspool_system list, where the test systems are in slots 3 and 4,
reserving 1 and 2. Both RSCS and PVM are set up with the local and remote
names matching the system names, VMTESTP and VMTESTG. Both RSCS and PVM link
up w/o problem, other than the CSE message above.

So for the brave among you... What am I overlooking?

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 / ( ) \  507-284-0844   Rochester, MN 55905
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Ride Ural.²
 in practice, theory and practice are different.