Re: GONE exec
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:51 AM, Jim Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense to Rick Troth, but that isn't the real GONE. Wayne Preism of the IBM WSC wrote GONE in the early 80's and it's different than Rick's. Alternatively, from '87: http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse?fn=GONEft=NOTE
Re: Disk Accounting Records
And some less-sophisticated listservers (one written in Python comes to mind) /strongly/ encourage the list admin to _not_ munge the headers, causing replies to go the original poster, not the list. Go figure. For a true LISTSERVE discussion group, the problem is either a poster who didn't know what a Reply-To: header was used for, and has his mailer fill it in with his own address just in case, or a poster who is using one of many brain-dead webmail interfaces that do the same thing automatically (and usually un-overridably). -Chip- On 10/1/08 04:46 Mark Post said: On 9/30/2008 at 10:53 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending to the mailing list... g -- not sure why I reply to some users and it goes to them instead of the list.. Usually this happens because the person you're replying to has a reply to mail header set to their email address, instead of letting it default (to the mailing list). Mark Post
Re: Fw: Disk Accounting Records
I have been using it for at least 10 years. I think it has been there as long as account records has. Scott Rohling wrote: So I guess it's on MAINT 193 :-) Thanks to everybody for the replies.. I wonder how long ACCOUNT MODULE has been out there -- I coded up an EXEC to do the tallying some time ago -- definitely not the first time I found myself having reinvented a wheel :-) Thanks again! Scott Rohling -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Fw: Disk Accounting Records
It use to be part of the chargable product: CMS Utilities. I think CMS Utilities became bundled in with VM (no additional charge) as of VM/ESA. It was chargeable in VM/SP, and forget about VM/XA. I don't recall it in the VM/370 BSE days. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/1/2008 10:24 AM I have been using it for at least 10 years. I think it has been there as long as account records has. Scott Rohling wrote: So I guess it's on MAINT 193 :-) Thanks to everybody for the replies.. I wonder how long ACCOUNT MODULE has been out there -- I coded up an EXEC to do the tallying some time ago -- definitely not the first time I found myself having reinvented a wheel :-) Thanks again! Scott Rohling -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: support type questions.
John McKown wrote: Is the following statement true? (I don't know) If insert OS and release and insert VM relase is supported on insert machine, then insert OS and release is supported under insert VM relese on insert machine. That is what a supported VM means. I.e. is there ever a case where an OS will run on some machine, but will not run under z/VM on that same machine? Only if you are missing a PTF on VM. When a new machine is released sometimes VM will require a PTF to support the new machine. Also, could there be a case when an OS, which is designed to run native (aka bare metal) will __NOT__ run on a particular machine, but will run on that machine under z/VM? Please ignore any OS which is specifically designed to run only under z/VM, such as CMS or the Solaris port that I've read about. On some machines some releases of VSE will only run under VM. Example - at one time VSE would not run native on a machine with more than 16 meg of storage. If you had a machine with more memory you could run VM on it and define virtual machines with 16 meg or less and run VSE in those machines. There may be other examples of VM hiding a feature of a machine from a guest OS so that it can run. Just curious. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Fw: Disk Accounting Records
It all started with IPF, the thing that was added in the VM/SP days, where you could order a naked VM, or a VM SIPO (System Installation Productivity Option ?), that had IPF as prereq, and you got quite some pre-installed stuff. Remember VMUTIL,DISKACNT, friends these servers ware new than, WAKEUP was the heart of VMUTIL, and ACCOUNT was used by DISKACNT. Other tools where born then too: DIRMAP, SADT, DEVTYPE, FLIST, BROWSE, all part of IPF. With IPF came also panels, this section of IPF became a bit later ISPF. The IPF panels gave VM a look like TSO has now, one could indeed enter things like 1.2.3 to end up in e.g. FLIST, or x.y.z to XEDIT something... VM's command base is too easy, and customers didn't use these IPF panels. I guess that with VM/ESA IPF died, no more panels, but also no more a pre-installed VMUTIL/DISKACNT/SYSWATCH/ The modules became CUF (CMS Utilities Feature), a billabe VM/ESA feature. Later the CUF stuff became part of the VM base, I guess with the arrival of z/VM, an incompatible change: CUF got installed on the Y-disk; in z/VM some landed on the S-disk, others on MAINT 193. 2008/10/1 Tom Duerbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] It use to be part of the chargable product: CMS Utilities. I think CMS Utilities became bundled in with VM (no additional charge) as of VM/ESA. It was chargeable in VM/SP, and forget about VM/XA. I don't recall it in the VM/370 BSE days. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/1/2008 10:24 AM I have been using it for at least 10 years. I think it has been there as long as account records has. Scott Rohling wrote: So I guess it's on MAINT 193 :-) Thanks to everybody for the replies.. I wonder how long ACCOUNT MODULE has been out there -- I coded up an EXEC to do the tallying some time ago -- definitely not the first time I found myself having reinvented a wheel :-) Thanks again! Scott Rohling -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Tracking Hot Spots
We have a situation where we need to discover what hot spots exist in specific virtual machines, where they are spending the most execution time, from outside the machines in question. Are there any tools that can do this type of monitoring? Turning on traces in the machines has been rejected because of the impact to the machines. Regards, Richard Schuh
Re: Tracking Hot Spots
What kind of virtual machine? For something like Websphere, you could use Introscope. Velocity will tell you percentage of time spent running / i/o wait / page wait if you want to know from a VM view. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:33 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] Tracking Hot Spots We have a situation where we need to discover what hot spots exist in specific virtual machines, where they are spending the most execution time, from outside the machines in question. Are there any tools that can do this type of monitoring? Turning on traces in the machines has been rejected because of the impact to the machines. Regards, Richard Schuh
Re: Tracking Hot Spots
5 TPF users and 1 and CMS running a behemoth of a Rexx and Pipelines program that drives the TPFs. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:54 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Tracking Hot Spots What kind of virtual machine? For something like Websphere, you could use Introscope. Velocity will tell you percentage of time spent running / i/o wait / page wait if you want to know from a VM view. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:33 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] Tracking Hot Spots We have a situation where we need to discover what hot spots exist in specific virtual machines, where they are spending the most execution time, from outside the machines in question. Are there any tools that can do this type of monitoring? Turning on traces in the machines has been rejected because of the impact to the machines. Regards, Richard Schuh
Re: GONE exec
Dave Tibbetts wrote: You can find GONE on the old VM Workshop tools here... http://ukcc.uky.edu/%7Etools/1996/ Thanks for the tip, Dave. I was wondering where that went. :-) GONE is easy enough to [re]do in Pipes. Just feed your own stage (written in REXX) from STARMSG. On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Jim Bohnsack wrote: No offense to Rick Troth, but that isn't the real GONE. Wayne Preism of the IBM WSC wrote GONE in the early 80's and it's different than Rick's. No offense taken, Jim. I think Arty also wrote a GONE with IUCVTRAP. Mine definitely came later than that. (So did certain other code that I wrote back in the day: Sir Arthur and other tool makers were truly inspriational!) Is Wayne's the GONE which is based on PROP? The first GONE I ever encountered was PROP based and required that you STOP when reconnecting. Very annoying. (But maybe Wayne Preism's GONE is driven by WAKEUP or something.) -- R;
Question
Perhaps I could suggest that one not use as subject a content-free term like question. I'm guessing that the overwhelming majority of threads start with a question. We might all be better served with a subject line that does, in fact, mention the subject. Richard Corak
Re: Fw: Disk Accounting Records
And for those situations where the ACCOUNT MODULE doesn't do what is needed, one can always use the CMS Pipelines ACNTDIFF, ACNTTALLY, and ACNTXPAND stages to process disk accounting data. The SPECS stage could could also be employed to tally and compute values from the accounting fields in the accounting records. The ACNTxxx stages are documented in the 'pipeline news' file, found on the CMS Pipelines web page: http://vm.marist.edu/~pipeline DJ - Original Message - From: Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Fw: Disk Accounting Records Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:48:06 -0400 It all started with IPF, the thing that was added in the VM/SP days, where you could order a naked VM, or a VM SIPO (System Installation Productivity Option ?), that had IPF as prereq, and you got quite some pre-installed stuff. Remember VMUTIL,DISKACNT, friends these servers ware new than, WAKEUP was the heart of VMUTIL, and ACCOUNT was used by DISKACNT. Other tools where born then too: DIRMAP, SADT, DEVTYPE, FLIST, BROWSE, all part of IPF. With IPF came also panels, this section of IPF became a bit later ISPF. The IPF panels gave VM a look like TSO has now, one could indeed enter things like 1.2.3 to end up in e.g. FLIST, or x.y.z to XEDIT something... VM's command base is too easy, and customers didn't use these IPF panels. I guess that with VM/ESA IPF died, no more panels, but also no more a pre-installed VMUTIL/DISKACNT/SYSWATCH/ The modules became CUF (CMS Utilities Feature), a billabe VM/ESA feature. Later the CUF stuff became part of the VM base, I guess with the arrival of z/VM, an incompatible change: CUF got installed on the Y-disk; in z/VM some landed on the S-disk, others on MAINT 193. 2008/10/1 Tom Duerbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] It use to be part of the chargable product: CMS Utilities. I think CMS Utilities became bundled in with VM (no additional charge) as of VM/ESA. It was chargeable in VM/SP, and forget about VM/XA. I don't recall it in the VM/370 BSE days. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/1/2008 10:24 AM I have been using it for at least 10 years. I think it has been there as long as account records has. Scott Rohling wrote: So I guess it's on MAINT 193 :-) Thanks to everybody for the replies.. I wonder how long ACCOUNT MODULE has been out there -- I coded up an EXEC to do the tallying some time ago -- definitely not the first time I found myself having reinvented a wheel :-) Thanks again! Scott Rohling -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Tracking Hot Spots
Hi, Richard. Well, I can't offer any help with the TPF users, but would running Rita in place of Pipe yield useful information for the large Rexx/Pipeline program. I would suspect that the majority of the CPU time consumed by the Rexx program is spent in the pipe commands. Good luck. DJ - Original Message - From: Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Tracking Hot Spots Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:05:13 -0700 5 TPF users and 1 and CMS running a behemoth of a Rexx and Pipelines program that drives the TPFs. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:54 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Tracking Hot Spots What kind of virtual machine? For something like Websphere, you could use Introscope. Velocity will tell you percentage of time spent running / i/o wait / page wait if you want to know from a VM view. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:33 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] Tracking Hot Spots We have a situation where we need to discover what hot spots exist in specific virtual machines, where they are spending the most execution time, from outside the machines in question. Are there any tools that can do this type of monitoring? Turning on traces in the machines has been rejected because of the impact to the machines. Regards, Richard Schuh
Re: Tracking Hot Spots
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:33:00 -0700 Schuh, Richard said: We have a situation where we need to discover what hot spots exist in specific virtual machines, where they are spending the most execution time, from outside the machines in question. Are there any tools that can do this type of monitoring? Turning on traces in the machines has been rejected because of the impact to the machines. Regards, Richard Schuh Serge Goldstein (the author of the original TRACK) had a utility called Follow. http://www2.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse?fn=FOLLOWft=MEMO Looks like my copy got lost in a recent DASD upgrade, and I can't find one on the web anywhere, but maybe this will trigger someone else's memory. Obviously, as described above it wouldn't work on a modern VM system, but it would be a starting point. I used it a couple times, and it helped diagnose a problem in MVS. /ahw
