Re: z890 power: 3 phase vs 1 phase?
You're close .. Based on what I remember after having forgotten close to 99% of what I once knew about electrical engineering: The 3 wires of 3-phase power provide the electrical power, at 50 Hz here in Europe, with a phase shift of 120 degrees between the different conduits. The original voltage of 380V between any two phases has been increased to 400 Volts some time ago (about 10 to 15 years as far as I remember) and that now results in about 230 Volts for single phase power (neutral to any of the 400V phases). The relationship is actually a factor of 1.73 (the square root of 3) as a vector diagram will show. The above voltages apply to Europe, the factor of 1.73 between single phase and 3-phase power does not; it is a physical constant. While the voltages could also vary between different countries in Europe, I'd expect them to be similar since their high-voltage circuits are heavily inter- connected, for load balancing. Three-phase power is practically a must for most of the powerful electrical motors: it allows for an extremely simple and cheap design if you don't mind the motors running at more or less fixed speed. Smaller motors (for your freezer or washing machine) get by using condensers to produce an artificial phase shift that allows their motors to run even with single phase connections. Whether or not 3 phase power gives better reliability (the original question) depends on how it is used: it is a fact that there can be power failures where only a single phase is lost. So if the machine connected to the 3 phase power doesn't really depend on all three being available but is designed to use the excess phases for redundancy only, plus maybe for load balancing, yes, then having 3 phases may help the machine to survive in some cases. But I wouldn't want to rely on that kind of backup for a computer: most power failures I've experienced resulted in all three phases being lost, and so I doubt that one would use 3 phase power to this end. But that would be for the seller of the machine to tell. Eginhard Jaeger - Original Message - From: Kris Buelens kris.buel...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:08 PM You are perfectly right: the same here in Belgium: neutral is the middle of the 380 3ph, it should never be grounded; 1 ph + neutral gives 240V (used to be 220V 30 years ago). To get 3ph 380 at home one needs to convince the power distributor otherwise one gets 1 ph + neutral only.
Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro
Richard, Jim is correct. SYBMON was going through refresh processing ... essentially a cleanup (reaccess of minidisks, etc.). I would think if you can delay for 30 seconds before the next command you'd be OK. However, Jonathan has a point ... is there a reason you can't just schedule the jobs to run with an event in the scheduler on SYSMON? HiDRO will only run one backup job at a time, so if job 2 (and 3) are submitted prior to job 1 (or 2) finishing, they will wait in the queue ... when one job completes, the next will start. JR (Steven) Imler CA Senior Sustaining Engineer Tel: +1-703-708-3479 steven.im...@ca.com mailto:steven.im...@ca.com From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 07:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro That is what I was guessing; however, confirmation would be nice. I don't want to try varying the length of pause several times, only to find out that the answer lies elsewhere. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of James Vincent Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro Hello! Marci, sending backup requests to SYBMON is correct for batch runs of multiple volume backup jobs. Richard, that message is from SYBRQST MODULE, part of the HiDRO code that SYBMON runs. Could it be you need to pause a bit before continuing your next step? I do not do multi-job runs via SYBMON, but I am wondering if it is cleaning up or something after the first job wrapped up. -- Jim Vincent
Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro
Is that when one job completes successfully or when one completes regardless of the outcome? Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Imler, Steven J Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:26 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro Richard, Jim is correct. SYBMON was going through refresh processing ... essentially a cleanup (reaccess of minidisks, etc.). I would think if you can delay for 30 seconds before the next command you'd be OK. However, Jonathan has a point ... is there a reason you can't just schedule the jobs to run with an event in the scheduler on SYSMON? HiDRO will only run one backup job at a time, so if job 2 (and 3) are submitted prior to job 1 (or 2) finishing, they will wait in the queue ... when one job completes, the next will start. JR (Steven) Imler CA Senior Sustaining Engineer Tel: +1-703-708-3479 steven.im...@ca.commailto:steven.im...@ca.com From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 07:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro That is what I was guessing; however, confirmation would be nice. I don't want to try varying the length of pause several times, only to find out that the answer lies elsewhere. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of James Vincent Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro Hello! Marci, sending backup requests to SYBMON is correct for batch runs of multiple volume backup jobs. Richard, that message is from SYBRQST MODULE, part of the HiDRO code that SYBMON runs. Could it be you need to pause a bit before continuing your next step? I do not do multi-job runs via SYBMON, but I am wondering if it is cleaning up or something after the first job wrapped up. -- Jim Vincent
Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro
This was the parallel path, looking top see which is quicker :-) So far, we have gotten (official) confirmation that the RQS messages are, indeed, undocumented. As yet, we do not know the particulars about this one. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro ah, ok. I get it. You could open a request and ask Fran or Kitty. I messed around with trying to automate some of it too and luckily didn't have to finish it :) Got z/OS to do those jobs and now XRC. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] OT: Undocumented from Hidro That is what I was guessing; however, confirmation would be nice. I don't want to try varying the length of pause several times, only to find out that the answer lies elsewhere. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of James Vincent Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro Hello! Marci, sending backup requests to SYBMON is correct for batch runs of multiple volume backup jobs. Richard, that message is from SYBRQST MODULE, part of the HiDRO code that SYBMON runs. Could it be you need to pause a bit before continuing your next step? I do not do multi-job runs via SYBMON, but I am wondering if it is cleaning up or something after the first job wrapped up. -- Jim Vincent
Re: Share Setting Question
The help for SET SHARE states: ABSolute nnn% specifies that this user is to receive a target minimum of nnn% of the scheduled system resources, which include CPU, storage, and paging capacity; nnn is a decimal real number--no or one decimal place--from 0.1 to 100 (for example, 20.5% or 80%). So, it would seem that the share percent is the percentage of all engines available. So 14% is 14% of 499 MIPs in your case. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com 5/5/2009 11:33 AM All, We have a 2066 with 3 CPs for a total of 499 MIPS. Given a guest operating system with a share setting of 14% limit hard, does that equate to 14% of 499 MIPS or 14% of 166 MIPS (one processor)? And then does defining a second or third virtual CP change the percent of MIPS? Thank you, Scott R Wandschneider Senior Systems Programmer|| Infocrossing, a Wipro Company || 11707 Miracle Hills Drive, Omaha, NE, 68154-4457|| : 402.963.8905 || :847.849.7223 || : scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com **Think Green - Please print responsibly** Confidentiality Note: This e-mail, including any attachment to it, may contain material that is confidential, proprietary, privileged and/or Protected Health Information, within the meaning of the regulations under the Health Insurance Portability Accountability Act as amended. If it is not clear that you are the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, including any attachment to it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately return it to the sender and delete it from your system. Thank you.
Re: Share Setting Question
It is 14% of the whole system, thus 40% of 499. But, CP is not scheduling a virtual machine, but virtual processors, and each virtual processor gets its own share. These virtual processors compete against each other to get CPU cycles. So, your guest with 14% Abs limit hard with: - if it has 1 processor, that has 14% share - give it 3, and each one gets at most 4.6% with the last case: if the guest has a process requiring 10% of the CPU, it will be hard to get it. Note: with z/VM 5.4 CP will not count defined but inactive virtual processors when distribution the share given to the virtual machine over its virtual processors. 2009/5/5 Wandschneider, Scott scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com All, We have a 2066 with 3 CPs for a total of 499 MIPS. Given a guest operating system with a share setting of 14% limit hard, does that equate to 14% of 499 MIPS or 14% of 166 MIPS (one processor)? And then does defining a second or third virtual CP change the percent of MIPS? Thank you, Scott R Wandschneider Senior Systems Programmer|| Infocrossing, a Wipro Company || 11707 Miracle Hills Drive, Omaha, NE, 68154-4457|| �u: 402.963.8905 || �|:847.849.7223 || : scott.wandschnei...@infocrossing.com **Think Green - Please print responsibly** Confidentiality Note: This e-mail, including any attachment to it, may contain material that is confidential, proprietary, privileged and/or Protected Health Information, within the meaning of the regulations under the Health Insurance Portability Accountability Act as amended. If it is not clear that you are the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, including any attachment to it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately return it to the sender and delete it from your system. Thank you. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro
One other thought about this - Wouldn't it be better to temporarily disable the SMSG interface during this refresh processing? That way, the SMSG would bounce and the issuing machine would know that a retry was needed. Another possibility would be to keep the interface open and buffer incoming messages until the refresh was complete. To simply send a message back to the user saying in effect, I am not going to do it, after accepting the SMSG is, in my opinion, not very friendly. It tends to discourage having an SVM issue commands. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Imler, Steven J Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:26 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro Richard, Jim is correct. SYBMON was going through refresh processing ... essentially a cleanup (reaccess of minidisks, etc.). I would think if you can delay for 30 seconds before the next command you'd be OK. However, Jonathan has a point ... is there a reason you can't just schedule the jobs to run with an event in the scheduler on SYSMON? HiDRO will only run one backup job at a time, so if job 2 (and 3) are submitted prior to job 1 (or 2) finishing, they will wait in the queue ... when one job completes, the next will start. JR (Steven) Imler CA Senior Sustaining Engineer Tel: +1-703-708-3479 steven.im...@ca.commailto:steven.im...@ca.com From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 07:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro That is what I was guessing; however, confirmation would be nice. I don't want to try varying the length of pause several times, only to find out that the answer lies elsewhere. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of James Vincent Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Undocumented from Hidro Hello! Marci, sending backup requests to SYBMON is correct for batch runs of multiple volume backup jobs. Richard, that message is from SYBRQST MODULE, part of the HiDRO code that SYBMON runs. Could it be you need to pause a bit before continuing your next step? I do not do multi-job runs via SYBMON, but I am wondering if it is cleaning up or something after the first job wrapped up. -- Jim Vincent
local filepools
Folks; I would like to join three VM nodes to an existing ISFC collection, with the intent to grant access to an already-existing remote filepool. This seems straightforward enough except the three new VM nodes each are configured with two identically-named filepools. The three new nodes are not part of any ISFC collection now, so there is no problem there. I understand it is possible to rename these filepools so that the names are unique across all three nodes, and then it would be simple to join the ISFC collection. However, I would prefer to leave the existing filepools alone. It seems like I should be able to make these filepools local only, but the documentation is pretty unequivocal that unless the repository filepool names begin with VMSYS that they are to be configured as global pools. Why is this? Is there anything that is really stopping me from changing the IUCV *IDENT GLOBAL to IUCV *IDENT LOCAL for the two filepools on these three nodes, and then moving on? I ask because I notice that VMBACKUP owns a filepool that has IUCV *IDENT LOCAL set, with a name that does not begin with VMSYS. I haven't been able yet to learn anything about this particular pool, though, or how it's used, so I accept that it is possible for it to have some operational characteristic that makes this possible, where it wouldn't otherwise be generally. Thanks! ok r.
Re: local filepools
The documentation is meant to say that VMSYSbanana cannot be anything but local while any other name not beginning with VMSYS can be either local or global. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Stricklin, Raymond J Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:21 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: local filepools Folks; I would like to join three VM nodes to an existing ISFC collection, with the intent to grant access to an already-existing remote filepool. This seems straightforward enough except the three new VM nodes each are configured with two identically-named filepools. The three new nodes are not part of any ISFC collection now, so there is no problem there. I understand it is possible to rename these filepools so that the names are unique across all three nodes, and then it would be simple to join the ISFC collection. However, I would prefer to leave the existing filepools alone. It seems like I should be able to make these filepools local only, but the documentation is pretty unequivocal that unless the repository filepool names begin with VMSYS that they are to be configured as global pools. Why is this? Is there anything that is really stopping me from changing the IUCV *IDENT GLOBAL to IUCV *IDENT LOCAL for the two filepools on these three nodes, and then moving on? I ask because I notice that VMBACKUP owns a filepool that has IUCV *IDENT LOCAL set, with a name that does not begin with VMSYS. I haven't been able yet to learn anything about this particular pool, though, or how it's used, so I accept that it is possible for it to have some operational characteristic that makes this possible, where it wouldn't otherwise be generally. Thanks! ok r.
ISPF Post-z/VM Installation
I need to install ISPF on my z/VM 5.4 system. I have recently installed RACF and need to add panel support. I have the electronic media from the Shop zSeries site as well as the DVD for the z/VM 5.4 SDO. How do I go about installing ISPF after the fact? Can I do it via FTP? Can that part be installed as a Product Envelope and if so, how do I go about getting it? Thanks, Dave
Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation
ISPF for VM is one of those semi-VMSES/E products. It's so old it predates the rigourous methodology of VMSES/E and had its own install method based on an install tool EXEC from earlier versions of VM. The z/VM 5.4 SDO Directory http://www.vm.ibm.com/sdo/sdozv54.pdf has a section on installing ISPF and describes the semi-VMSES/E procedure, Page 134. You'll also need the ISPF Program Directory, you can find it here: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/i1114480.pdf This will help when you go to build the ISPF DCSS. And, I presume you have the ISPF product tape.
Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation
Isn't it so old that the documentation is in Sanskrit? Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of C. Lawrence Perkins Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation ISPF for VM is one of those semi-VMSES/E products. It's so old it predates the rigourous methodology of VMSES/E and had its own install method based on an install tool EXEC from earlier versions of VM. The z/VM 5.4 SDO Directory http://www.vm.ibm.com/sdo/sdozv54.pdf has a section on installing ISPF and describes the semi-VMSES/E procedure, Page 134. You'll also need the ISPF Program Directory, you can find it here: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/i1114480.pdf This will help when you go to build the ISPF DCSS. And, I presume you have the ISPF product tape.
Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation
What I have is the z/VM 5.4 SDO media. If I need an additional ISPF product tape, I will need to order it. Thanks, Dave -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of C. Lawrence Perkins Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation ISPF for VM is one of those semi-VMSES/E products. It's so old it predates the rigourous methodology of VMSES/E and had its own install method based on an install tool EXEC from earlier versions of VM. The z/VM 5.4 SDO Directory http://www.vm.ibm.com/sdo/sdozv54.pdf has a section on installing ISPF and describes the semi-VMSES/E procedure, Page 134. You'll also need the ISPF Program Directory, you can find it here: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/i1114480.pdf This will help when you go to build the ISPF DCSS. And, I presume you have the ISPF product tape.
Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation
Yes, if ISPF wasn't on your SDO tapes, you'll need to order it. You can get it on ShopZSeries and probably via internet delivery as a Program Product envelope. Or a real tape, but not a reel tape. On Tue, 5 May 2009 16:21:05 -0700, KEETON Dave * SDC dave.kee...@state.or.us wrote: What I have is the z/VM 5.4 SDO media. If I need an additional ISPF product tape, I will need to order it. Thanks, Dave -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of C. Lawrence Perkins Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation ISPF for VM is one of those semi-VMSES/E products. It's so old it predates the rigourous methodology of VMSES/E and had its own install method based on an install tool EXEC from earlier versions of VM. The z/VM 5.4 SDO Directory http://www.vm.ibm.com/sdo/sdozv54.pdf has a section on installing ISPF and describes the semi-VMSES/E procedure, Page 134. You'll also need the ISPF Program Directory, you can find it here: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/i1114480.pdf This will help when you go to build the ISPF DCSS. And, I presume you have the ISPF product tape.
Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation
And comes on two stone tablets, delivered by the ghost of Charlton Heston . On Tue, 5 May 2009 16:19:24 -0700, Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com wrote : Isn't it so old that the documentation is in Sanskrit? Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of C. Lawrence Perkins Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation ISPF for VM is one of those semi-VMSES/E products. It's so old it predates the rigourous methodology of VMSES/E and had its own install method based on an install tool EXEC from earlier versions of VM. The z/VM 5.4 SDO Directory http://www.vm.ibm.com/sdo/sdozv54.pdf has a section on installing ISPF and describes the semi-VMSES/E procedure, Page 134. You'll also need the ISPF Program Directory, you can find it here: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/i1114480.pdf This will help when you go to build the ISPF DCSS. And, I presume you have the ISPF product tape. = ===
Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation
I don't have tapes - I have a DVD and I obtained the electronic version of the SDO from IBM this morning. I was hoping to get the Product Envelope, but I didn't see where I could get just that component. Dave -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of C. Lawrence Perkins Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:35 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation Yes, if ISPF wasn't on your SDO tapes, you'll need to order it. You can get it on ShopZSeries and probably via internet delivery as a Program Product envelope. Or a real tape, but not a reel tape. On Tue, 5 May 2009 16:21:05 -0700, KEETON Dave * SDC dave.kee...@state.or.us wrote: What I have is the z/VM 5.4 SDO media. If I need an additional ISPF product tape, I will need to order it. Thanks, Dave -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of C. Lawrence Perkins Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation ISPF for VM is one of those semi-VMSES/E products. It's so old it predates the rigourous methodology of VMSES/E and had its own install method based on an install tool EXEC from earlier versions of VM. The z/VM 5.4 SDO Directory http://www.vm.ibm.com/sdo/sdozv54.pdf has a section on installing ISPF and describes the semi-VMSES/E procedure, Page 134. You'll also need the ISPF Program Directory, you can find it here: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/i1114480.pdf This will help when you go to build the ISPF DCSS. And, I presume you have the ISPF product tape.
Re: local filepools
Be sure to also check the DMSPARMS files for the filepools and pull any REMOTE statement that might be in them. On Tue, 5 May 2009 13:20:46 -0700, Stricklin, Raymond J raymond.j.strick...@boeing.com wrote: Folks; I would like to join three VM nodes to an existing ISFC collection, with the intent to grant access to an already-existing remote filepool. This seems straightforward enough except the three new VM nodes each are configured with two identically-named filepools. The three new nodes are not part of any ISFC collection now, so there is no problem there. I understand it is possible to rename these filepools so that the names are unique across all three nodes, and then it would be simple to join the ISFC collection. However, I would prefer to leave the existing filepools alone. It seems like I should be able to make these filepools local only, but the documentation is pretty unequivocal that unless the repository filepool names begin with VMSYS that they are to be configured as global pools. Why is this? Is there anything that is really stopping me from changing the IUCV *IDENT GLOBAL to IUCV *IDENT LOCAL for the two filepools on these three nodes, and then moving on? I ask because I notice that VMBACKUP owns a filepool that has IUCV *IDENT LOCAL set, with a name that does not begin with VMSYS. I haven't been able yet to learn anything about this particular pool, though, or how it's used, so I accept that it is possible for it to have some operational characteristic that makes this possible, where it wouldn't otherwise be generally. Thanks! ok r. = ===
Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation
Don't forget that if Dave is running his z/VM system on IFL engines and not CP ones, he'll need to license ISPF via the special bids process. I don't have a clue how one does that; contact your IBM or Business Partner for advice. Have a good one. C. Lawrence Perkins wrote: Yes, if ISPF wasn't on your SDO tapes, you'll need to order it. You can get it on ShopZSeries and probably via internet delivery as a Program Product envelope. Or a real tape, but not a reel tape. On Tue, 5 May 2009 16:21:05 -0700, KEETON Dave * SDC dave.kee...@state.or.us wrote: What I have is the z/VM 5.4 SDO media. If I need an additional ISPF product tape, I will need to order it. Thanks, Dave -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of C. Lawrence Perkins Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Post-z/VM Installation ISPF for VM is one of those semi-VMSES/E products. It's so old it predates the rigourous methodology of VMSES/E and had its own install method based on an install tool EXEC from earlier versions of VM. The z/VM 5.4 SDO Directory http://www.vm.ibm.com/sdo/sdozv54.pdf has a section on installing ISPF and describes the semi-VMSES/E procedure, Page 134. You'll also need the ISPF Program Directory, you can find it here: http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/i1114480.pdf This will help when you go to build the ISPF DCSS. And, I presume you have the ISPF product tape. -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544
Re: I need to assemble RSCS exits
Well, HLASM is a separately orderable and rather expensive Licensed Program Product. If you did not order it, it won't be on you tape. You _may_ be able to Assemble it using and older assembler after some source code changes. Or, you might consider purchasing a much less expensive ISV HLASM-compatible assembler (ask if you are interested, I have the name at work). Also, while RSCS is shipped and installed, AFAIK use of anything other than the LPR printer line drivers requires a paid up license for the full RSCS product. Off the top of my head (again, details at work), any IBM product that need to be ENABLED (usually done in SYSTEM CONFIG) requires a specific product license (aside from the RSCS LPR printer line drivers?). You'd think it wouldn't be that hard to include a bright neon warning about license requirements in the doc for the command that ENABLEs the product. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates (Sent from the wee keyboard on a Blackberry.) - Original Message - From: Steve Harman [steve.har...@mutualofomaha.com] Sent: 05/05/2009 04:17 PM EST To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: I need to assemble RSCS exits I'm a newbie. I know next to nothing about VM, so please understand my = goofy questions are not from laziness, it's sheer ignorance on my part. I am the primary vm sysprog at our site, or I'd go ask our experienced = person. We have a vm 5.2 system (yes, now unsupported) running RSCS v3.2. I've = been told that we need to be off the old release of RSCS by the end of Ju= ne or we'll incur a monthly fine. RSCS is now packaged with the base OS. I've ordered and sort of installe= d VM5.4 on a 2-lvl guest system. I will not have it to a point where I can= put it on our production system before the end of June because of my inexperience. I feel safer running on an unsupported version than trying= to migrate 5.4 before I'm ready. IBM has offered some suggestions on getting the FL540 version of RSCS fro= m the 2-lvl guest to our production system. One thing I need to do is assemble some exits and rebuild the RSCS loadlib using the FL540 maclibs.= I sent the source assemble files, the lkedctrl file, and a cntrl file to = the 5.4 system's 5vmrsc40 191 disk. To most of you, I'm sure that sounds simple. I've been going through the= RSCS ProgDir trying to figure out how to assemble exits and rebuild the = load lib. The problem is, when I try to do a VMFHLASM command as shown i= n the example, it fails because it can't find HLASM MODULE. I browsed the = VMFHLASM exec and it calls VMFASM EXEC. Looks like it falls thru looking= for HLASM MODULE because it can't find ASMAHL MODULE. I guess we don't have the hi-lvl assembler, it must be a cost feature. = Seems like ProgDir shouldn't use it in the examples. So, I found the CMS assemble command. After a little trial and error, I = got one of the exits to assemble (with a few IFO012 errs, haven't figured= that out yet). I had to do a 'global maclib DMTMACV3 GCTGPI HCPGPI HCPOM1 DMSGPI DMSOM' = to get what I think are the required macro libs. Am I headed in the right direction, or am I wasting a lot of my time? If= I get my exits assembled, how do I get the FL540 RSCS to hook them in? = Thanks for any suggestions. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
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Re: I need to assemble RSCS exits
Hi, Steve. Steve Harman wrote: I'm a newbie. I know next to nothing about VM, so please understand my goofy questions are not from laziness, it's sheer ignorance on my part. Not a problem, you've come to the right plan, then. I am the primary vm sysprog at our site, or I'd go ask our experienced person. We have a vm 5.2 system (yes, now unsupported) running RSCS v3.2. I've been told that we need to be off the old release of RSCS by the end of June or we'll incur a monthly fine. OK RSCS is now packaged with the base OS. I've ordered and sort of installed VM5.4 on a 2-lvl guest system. I will not have it to a point where I can put it on our production system before the end of June because of my inexperience. I feel safer running on an unsupported version than trying to migrate 5.4 before I'm ready. The migration process isn't all that difficult.check the list archives for some really good hints and tips on the process. IBM has offered some suggestions on getting the FL540 version of RSCS from the 2-lvl guest to our production system. One thing I need to do is assemble some exits and rebuild the RSCS loadlib using the FL540 maclibs. I sent the source assemble files, the lkedctrl file, and a cntrl file to the 5.4 system's 5vmrsc40 191 disk. To most of you, I'm sure that sounds simple. I've been going through the RSCS ProgDir trying to figure out how to assemble exits and rebuild the load lib. The problem is, when I try to do a VMFHLASM command as shown in the example, it fails because it can't find HLASM MODULE. I browsed the VMFHLASM exec and it calls VMFASM EXEC. Looks like it falls thru looking for HLASM MODULE because it can't find ASMAHL MODULE. I guess we don't have the hi-lvl assembler, it must be a cost feature. Seems like ProgDir shouldn't use it in the examples. Nope, you don't have the HLASM product installed. Unlike RSCS (and DIRMAINT, RACF, etc.) it doesn't come preinstalled in z/VM 5.4. You have the following options: 1) order HLASM form IBM and install it. 2) see if another VM site that has HLASM installed already won't assemble your exits for you. I don't think this violates the IBM HLASM license terms and conditions, but I'm not a lawyer, either. 3) consider a cross assembler, like the one Dignus offers (http://www.dignus.com/); this might be a cheaper approach. So, I found the CMS assemble command. After a little trial and error, I got one of the exits to assemble (with a few IFO012 errs, haven't figured that out yet). This bothers me a bit..using the old assembler might work or it might not, and in any case, there might be IBM support issues involved as well. I had to do a 'global maclib DMTMACV3 GCTGPI HCPGPI HCPOM1 DMSGPI DMSOM' to get what I think are the required macro libs. Am I headed in the right direction, or am I wasting a lot of my time? If I get my exits assembled, how do I get the FL540 RSCS to hook them in? Thanks for any suggestions. How to combine the assembled TEXT files for RSCS to use is covered in detail in the RSCS Customization manual, available online at the IBM VM web page. Hope this helps. -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544
Re: I need to assemble RSCS exits
Warning: It's been a year and a half since I last supported a VM system, so take what I say with a grain of salt, not as Gospel truth. Or, take this as an invitation to step back and look at the larger picture. On May 5, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Steve Harman wrote: We have a vm 5.2 system (yes, now unsupported) running RSCS v3.2. I've been told that we need to be off the old release of RSCS by the end of June or we'll incur a monthly fine. RSCS is now packaged with the base OS. RSCS was packaged with z/VM 5.2 as well, even with z/VM Version 4 systems. It might be functionally very similar to RSCS V3, but it should have been an option to license (if needed) the RSCS feature instead of the RSCS program product with z/VM 5.2. Obviously, there's some reason you think you're running RSCS V3 R2, so there might have been a good reason to do so (an old OTC license?), but it'd be an odd configuration. One thing I need to do is assemble some exits and rebuild the RSCS loadlib using the FL540 maclibs. Are you sure? I don't mean to be flip about this, but, a) are you sure you need these exits? b) are you sure the exits assembled under z/VM 5.2 won't run with the z/VM 5.4 level of RSCS? c) how'd they get assembled under z/VM 5.2, anyway? Did someone supply them to you already assembled? If so, do they have 5.4 levels as well? Given your short deadlines and your lack of VM knowledge in house, it might even be worth your employer's money to bring in a consultant to make this happen for you, studying the exits in place and seeing if they're needed or how to assemble them for your z/VM 5.4 system.
Re: I need to assemble RSCS exits
z/VM 5.3.0 was the first release to have an RSCS feature. Prior to that, RSCS was a separate program product. It came preinstalled on the z/VM distribution, at least as far back as the z/VM 5.1 DVD, but it was a separate product which required a separate license. A special bid was required to license RSCS on an IFL, which may have contributed to IBM's decision to make RSCS a priced feature of z/VM. No special bid is required for the RSCS feature, but you do have to license it. The rest of Nick's post asks some good questions. Dennis O'Brien If I'd only followed CNBC's advice, I'd have $1 million today, provided I'd started with $100 million. -- Jon Stewart -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Nick Laflamme Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 18:58 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] I need to assemble RSCS exits Warning: It's been a year and a half since I last supported a VM system, so take what I say with a grain of salt, not as Gospel truth. Or, take this as an invitation to step back and look at the larger picture. On May 5, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Steve Harman wrote: We have a vm 5.2 system (yes, now unsupported) running RSCS v3.2. I've been told that we need to be off the old release of RSCS by the end of June or we'll incur a monthly fine. RSCS is now packaged with the base OS. RSCS was packaged with z/VM 5.2 as well, even with z/VM Version 4 systems. It might be functionally very similar to RSCS V3, but it should have been an option to license (if needed) the RSCS feature instead of the RSCS program product with z/VM 5.2. Obviously, there's some reason you think you're running RSCS V3 R2, so there might have been a good reason to do so (an old OTC license?), but it'd be an odd configuration. One thing I need to do is assemble some exits and rebuild the RSCS loadlib using the FL540 maclibs. Are you sure? I don't mean to be flip about this, but, a) are you sure you need these exits? b) are you sure the exits assembled under z/VM 5.2 won't run with the z/VM 5.4 level of RSCS? c) how'd they get assembled under z/VM 5.2, anyway? Did someone supply them to you already assembled? If so, do they have 5.4 levels as well? Given your short deadlines and your lack of VM knowledge in house, it might even be worth your employer's money to bring in a consultant to make this happen for you, studying the exits in place and seeing if they're needed or how to assemble them for your z/VM 5.4 system.
