Re: Old question

2009-12-18 Thread Kris Buelens
A file sent this way will appear without spool filename/filetype in
RDRLIST.  If you've got my FILELIST modifs from the VM download library, you
can enter Rename in front of such files in RDRLIST and the spool
filename/filetype will be set to the original CMS fn/ft (on condition
NETDATA/DISK DUMP/PUNCH(HEADER was used).

At the other hand: since CP recognizes dynamically added disks, it is easy
to make your secondlevel guest LINK to the first level MDISK.  And, if you
install CPHOST from the VM download lib, a CLASS A user can do
   CP CP1 LINK somefirstlvluser 191 199 RR password?
   CP ATTACH 199 * 199 R/O
   ACC 199 Z


2009/12/18 Perry Ruiter prui...@ca.ibm.com


 Bob - here's the set up I use on my test system:

 SYSTEM CONFIG has this one line added:
 RDEVice 000C Type Reader

 and I use this EXEC to send files to it:
 /*
  *  Send a file to my second level ViCom system
  */

   address command

   arg fn ft fm .
   if fm = '' then fm = '*'

   'STATE' fn ft fm
   if rc = 0 then do
 'CP SPOOL PUNCH PRUITER2 CONT'
 'PIPE literal ID PRUITER NAME' fn ft'| punch'
 'NETDATA SEND' fn ft fm 'TO PRUITER AT PERRY (NOSPOOL'
 'CP SPOOL PUNCH CLOSE NOCONT'
   end; else
 say 'File' fn ft fm 'not found'

 exit

 That exec ensures the file has a name in queries and the netdata headers
 are set up so receive, rdrlist, etc. work as expected.  Adjust the userids,
 nodes as for your use (PRUITER2 is the first level userid running CP,
 PRUITER is the userid on the second level system to receive the file and
 PERRY is the second level system's node name).
 IPL CP with the reader empty, send a file, CP START 00C on your second
 level OPERATOR and the reader will continue to read files as they arrive for
 the life of the IPL ... Perry

 Perry Ruiter
 250-658-6517




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Re: postscript to pdf

2009-12-18 Thread p_kolasin...@compfort.pl
I don't know direct (VM) solution, but you may use Linux machine with
Ghostscript  tools and ssh as the engine  (if you have VM 5.4 with ssh).
Please send  me e-mail if you need more details of that concept.

Regards
Piotr
 

Gentry, Stephen pisze:

 Does anyone know of a program/utility/whatever that will run on VM
 that will convert a postscript file to a pdf file?  I know there is an
 html to pdf; that is not what I want.  Ideally, it would be written in
 Rexx and/or assembler.  I also have Cobol available and C+ on the
 mainframe.

 I’ve googled but haven’t come up with much.

 Thanks,

 Steve


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Re: News Item: via SlashDot and Computerworld -- IBM's newest mainframe is all Linux

2009-12-18 Thread Jeff Gribbin
No-such-thing-as-bad-publiciy-dep't ...

Well, my brother's been enjoying a mini-boom of interest in his books ever
since the photo of, Get a Grip on Physics (in the back of Tiger's car) was
published on (among others) the WSJ website. grin

Cheers
Jeff


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Re: Old question

2009-12-18 Thread Bob Bates
Thanks to all, I wasn't losing my mind after all. It worked today though I 
think I did the same things as yesterday. Control cards were right, I had done 
the SET RDEV, maybe I mistyped the dev type.

Anyway, all is well

Thanks again.


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Re: Old question

2009-12-18 Thread Mike Walter
I didn't want to interrupt the thread discussion regarding the proper ID 
card format and procedures.  That's good to have documented on the list. 

But now that Kris has suggested the excellent CPHOST, I'll offer another 
simple method disk-to-disk copy technique (usable by those not permitted 
to download tools): Define a minidisk on both systems, on the same DASD at 
the same extents for both systems.

E.g. on *both* systems define in the directory:

 USER XFERONLY NOLOG 
 MDISK 1000 3390 begcyl endcyl volser RR 

Normally, defining such overlapping MDISKs is a very bad practice with 
CMS filesystem mdisks.  Overlapping MDISKS, Oh MY!!

But in this case you are using it ONLY to transfer files between systems 
in a pretty manual and serial manner. 
So... 
1) On the 1st level system you link and access the disk R/W, copy some 
files to it, the release and detach.
2) On the 2nd level system link and access the disk (R/O or R/W), copy the 
files from it, perhaps erasing them since you will probably need the disk 
space for file transfers again later.

That simple process can be reversed to copy files from the 2nd level to 
1st level systems.

Now... what happens if you accidentally have the XFERONLY MDISK linked and 
accessed R/W on both systems, and ... copy files to it from both systems 
without following the above process?  Well, you encounter the same problem 
that you've been warned about since you first came to z/VM... the CMS 
filesystem on that disk is trashed; what I call one-way encryption.  But 
so what?  Those files were only COPIES of files that you still have on the 
original 1st or 2nd level system!  Just release and DETACH the XFERONLY 
disk from one of the systems, and from the remaining R/W system format the 
MDISK and copy the needed files to it again -- this time following the 
serial process listed above.

Result? Either-way file transfer without ID cards, virtual punches and 
virtual readers, RSCS, or any other communications facilities.  This 
method is especially useful early in the z/VM installation process, when 
you're trying to get your common tools to the 2nd level system (PROFILE 
EXEC, PROFILE XEDIT -- by whatever name, etc.).

Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.



Kris Buelens kris.buel...@gmail.com 

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A file sent this way will appear without spool filename/filetype in 
RDRLIST.  If you've got my FILELIST modifs from the VM download library, 
you can enter Rename in front of such files in RDRLIST and the spool 
filename/filetype will be set to the original CMS fn/ft (on condition 
NETDATA/DISK DUMP/PUNCH(HEADER was used).

At the other hand: since CP recognizes dynamically added disks, it is easy 
to make your secondlevel guest LINK to the first level MDISK.  And, if you 
install CPHOST from the VM download lib, a CLASS A user can do
   CP CP1 LINK somefirstlvluser 191 199 RR password?
   CP ATTACH 199 * 199 R/O
   ACC 199 Z


2009/12/18 Perry Ruiter prui...@ca.ibm.com

Bob - here's the set up I use on my test system: 

SYSTEM CONFIG has this one line added: 
RDEVice 000C Type Reader   

and I use this EXEC to send files to it: 
/* 
 *  Send a file to my second level ViCom system 
 */ 

  address command   

  arg fn ft fm .   
  if fm = '' then fm = '*' 

  'STATE' fn ft fm 
  if rc = 0 then do 
'CP SPOOL PUNCH PRUITER2 CONT' 
'PIPE literal ID PRUITER NAME' fn ft'| punch'   
'NETDATA SEND' fn ft fm 'TO PRUITER AT PERRY (NOSPOOL' 
'CP SPOOL PUNCH CLOSE NOCONT'   
  end; else 
say 'File' fn ft fm 'not found' 

exit   

That exec ensures the file has a name in queries and the netdata headers 
are set up so receive, rdrlist, etc. work as expected.  Adjust the 
userids, nodes as for your use (PRUITER2 is the first level userid running 
CP, PRUITER is the userid on the second level system to receive the file 
and PERRY is the second level system's node name). 
IPL CP with the reader empty, send a file, CP START 00C on your second 
level OPERATOR and the 

New Twist Re: Old question

2009-12-18 Thread Bill Munson
Mike,

excellent idea - here is my approach to the same concept

I define the 2nd level guests REAL address to the 1st level guest 
to move things to 2nd level and then link/access them that way of 
course the 2nd level guest is not UP during this process.

  
*   BBH  2nd Level Guest for NEW Version of z/VM  5.4.0 
 
* 
USER BBHVM540 xx   64M 128M BG 
   ACCOUNT 2 OPERATOR 
   IPL CMS 
   MACH ESA 
   OPTION TODENABLE 
   CONSOLE 0009 3215 T OPERATOR 
   SPECIAL 0040 3270 
   SPECIAL 0050 3270 
   SPECIAL 0100 CTCA 
   SPECIAL 0200 CTCA 
   SPECIAL 0312 CTCA 
   SPOOL 0003 PRINTER A 
   SPOOL 000C READER A 
   SPOOL 000D PUNCH A 
   LINK MAINT 0190 0190 RR 
   LINK MAINT 019D 019D RR 
   LINK MAINT 019E 019E RR 
   MDISK 0191 3390 0709 5 V3W001 MR READ WRITE MULT 
* 
* Start of 2ndlevel definitions 
* 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 191 Mdisk 
   MDISK 2191 3390 0511 175 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's CF1 Mdisk 
   MDISK 2CF1 3390 0039 120 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 193 Mdisk 
   MDISK 2193 3390 0686 167 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 2CC Mdisk 
   MDISK 22CC 3390 0506 005 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 500 Mdisk 
   MDISK 2500 3390 2503 600 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 19F Mdisk 
   MDISK 219F 3390 9045 100 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to Autolog1's 191 Mdisk 
   MDISK 3191 3390 3178 001 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to Operator's 191 Mdisk 
   MDISK 4191 3390 9300 100 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to vmutil  's 191 Mdisk 
   MDISK 5191 3390 9160 015 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to watcher 's 191 Mdisk 
   MDISK 6191 3390 9175 015 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to diskacnt's 191 Mdisk 
   MDISK 7191 3390 9145 015 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
*  zVM 5.4.0 access to erep's 191 Mdisk 
   MDISK 8191 3390 9190 100 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
* 
*  End  of 2ndlevel definitions 
* 

Bill Munson 
Sr. z/VM Systems Programmer 
Brown Brothers Harriman  CO.
525 Washington Blvd. 
Jersey City, NJ 07310 
201-418-7588

President MVMUA
http://www2.marist.edu/~mvmua/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/BillMunson




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I didn't want to interrupt the thread discussion regarding the proper ID 
card format and procedures.  That's good to have documented on the list. 

But now that Kris has suggested the excellent CPHOST, I'll offer another 
simple method disk-to-disk copy technique (usable by those not permitted 
to download tools): Define a minidisk on both systems, on the same DASD at 

the same extents for both systems.

E.g. on *both* systems define in the directory:

 USER XFERONLY NOLOG 
 MDISK 1000 3390 begcyl endcyl volser RR 

Normally, defining such overlapping MDISKs is a very bad practice with 
CMS filesystem mdisks.  Overlapping MDISKS, Oh MY!!

But in this case you are using it ONLY to transfer files between systems 
in a pretty manual and serial manner. 
So... 
1) On the 1st level system you link and access the disk R/W, copy some 
files to it, the release and detach.
2) On the 2nd level system link and access the disk (R/O or R/W), copy the 

files from it, perhaps erasing them since you will probably need the disk 
space for file transfers again later.

That simple process can be reversed to copy files from the 2nd level to 
1st level systems.

Now... what happens if you accidentally have the XFERONLY MDISK linked and 

accessed R/W on both systems, and ... copy files to it from both systems 
without following the above process?  Well, you encounter the same problem 

that you've been warned about since you first came to z/VM... the CMS 
filesystem on that disk is trashed; what I call one-way encryption.  But 

so what?  Those files were only COPIES of files that you still have on the 

original 1st or 2nd level system!  Just release and DETACH the XFERONLY 
disk from one of the systems, and from the remaining R/W system format the 

MDISK and copy the needed files to it again -- this time following the 
serial process listed above.

Result? Either-way file transfer without ID cards, virtual punches and 
virtual readers, RSCS, or any other communications facilities.  This 
method is especially useful early in the z/VM installation process, when 
you're trying to get your common tools to the 2nd level system (PROFILE 
EXEC, PROFILE XEDIT -- by whatever name, etc.).

Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.



Kris Buelens kris.buel...@gmail.com 

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Re: New Twist Re: Old question

2009-12-18 Thread Schuh, Richard
And yet another simple approach, if you have VSSI's VTAPE product, that is. 
Define the 1st-level system's output library to the 2nd level system as a R/O 
library and the 2nd level's output to the 1st level as R/O. To send data from 
the 1st-level to the 2nd, simply write the data to a VTAPE. Then mount that 
tape on the 2nd-level system. To send the other direction, simply reverse the 
process.

You can do the same thing with only one library defined by defining virtual 
tape units on the 2nd level system and mounting the VTAPEs from the first level 
system on them. In this case, the tape devices on the 2nd-level system will 
appear as real tape drives. 

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Munson
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:06 AM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: New Twist Re: Old question
 
 Mike,
 
 excellent idea - here is my approach to the same concept
 
 I define the 2nd level guests REAL address to the 1st level 
 guest to move things to 2nd level and then link/access them 
 that way of course the 2nd level guest is not UP during this process.
 
   
 *   BBH  2nd Level Guest for NEW Version of z/VM  5.4.0 
 
 * 
 USER BBHVM540 xx   64M 128M BG 
ACCOUNT 2 OPERATOR 
IPL CMS 
MACH ESA 
OPTION TODENABLE 
CONSOLE 0009 3215 T OPERATOR 
SPECIAL 0040 3270 
SPECIAL 0050 3270 
SPECIAL 0100 CTCA 
SPECIAL 0200 CTCA 
SPECIAL 0312 CTCA 
SPOOL 0003 PRINTER A 
SPOOL 000C READER A 
SPOOL 000D PUNCH A 
LINK MAINT 0190 0190 RR 
LINK MAINT 019D 019D RR 
LINK MAINT 019E 019E RR 
MDISK 0191 3390 0709 5 V3W001 MR READ WRITE MULT
 *
 * Start of 2ndlevel definitions
 *
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 191 Mdisk 
MDISK 2191 3390 0511 175 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's CF1 Mdisk 
MDISK 2CF1 3390 0039 120 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 193 Mdisk 
MDISK 2193 3390 0686 167 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 2CC Mdisk 
MDISK 22CC 3390 0506 005 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 500 Mdisk 
MDISK 2500 3390 2503 600 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to Maint's 19F Mdisk 
MDISK 219F 3390 9045 100 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to Autolog1's 191 Mdisk 
MDISK 3191 3390 3178 001 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to Operator's 191 Mdisk 
MDISK 4191 3390 9300 100 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to vmutil  's 191 Mdisk 
MDISK 5191 3390 9160 015 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to watcher 's 191 Mdisk 
MDISK 6191 3390 9175 015 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to diskacnt's 191 Mdisk 
MDISK 7191 3390 9145 015 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT 
 *  zVM 5.4.0 access to erep's 191 Mdisk 
MDISK 8191 3390 9190 100 540RES MR READ WRITE MULT
 *
 *  End  of 2ndlevel definitions
 * 
 
 Bill Munson
 Sr. z/VM Systems Programmer
 Brown Brothers Harriman  CO.
 525 Washington Blvd. 
 Jersey City, NJ 07310
 201-418-7588
 
 President MVMUA
 http://www2.marist.edu/~mvmua/
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/BillMunson
 
 
 
 
 Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com
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 Re: Old question
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I didn't want to interrupt the thread discussion regarding 
 the proper ID 
 card format and procedures.  That's good to have documented 
 on the list. 
 
 But now that Kris has suggested the excellent CPHOST, I'll 
 offer another 
 simple method disk-to-disk copy technique (usable by those 
 not permitted 
 to download tools): Define a minidisk on both systems, on the 
 same DASD at 
 
 the same extents for both systems.
 
 E.g. on *both* systems define in the directory:
 
  USER XFERONLY NOLOG 
  MDISK 1000 3390 begcyl endcyl volser RR 
 
 Normally, defining such overlapping MDISKs is a very bad 
 practice with 
 CMS filesystem mdisks.  Overlapping MDISKS, Oh MY!!
 
 But in this case you are using it ONLY to transfer files 
 between systems 
 in a pretty manual and serial manner. 
 So... 
 1) On the 1st level system you link and access the disk R/W, 
 copy some 
 files to it, the release and detach.
 2) On the 2nd level system link and access the disk (R/O or 
 R/W), copy the 
 
 files from it, perhaps erasing them since you will probably 
 need the disk 
 space for file transfers again later.
 
 That simple process can be reversed to copy files from the 
 2nd level to 
 1st level systems.
 
 Now... what happens if you accidentally have the XFERONLY 
 MDISK linked and 
 
 accessed R/W on both systems, and ... copy files to it 

Re: postscript to pdf

2009-12-18 Thread Gentry, Stephen
We have a similar process now.  We wanted to move it all to the
mainframe or to Linux on the mainframe.

Thanks for your reply.

Steve

 

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Aria Bamdad
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:29 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: postscript to pdf

 

Others have mentioned various options on doing this.  For the record, I
had to setup something similar years ago to convert PS files to PDF.
What I did was setup a PC with Adobe Acrobat and an FTP server.  In
Acrobat you can define a directory where a batch automated conversion
will be performed for any file that is placed in the directory.  The
resulting output (PDF) will be placed in an output directory.  Using
this, I wrote an EXEC that would transfer the PS file from CMS to the
PC, and then transfer back the resulting PDF.  Worked flawlessly.  It is
not a pure CMS application however.

 

Aria

 

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Gentry, Stephen
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:27 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: postscript to pdf

 

Does anyone know of a program/utility/whatever that will run on VM that
will convert a postscript file to a pdf file?  I know there is an html
to pdf; that is not what I want.  Ideally, it would be written in Rexx
and/or assembler.  I also have Cobol available and C+ on the mainframe.

I've googled but haven't come up with much.

Thanks,

Steve



Re: postscript to pdf

2009-12-18 Thread Mark Post
 On 12/18/2009 at 12:33 PM, Gentry, Stephen 
 stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com
wrote: 
 We have a similar process now.  We wanted to move it all to the
 mainframe or to Linux on the mainframe.

If Linux is an option, then definitely ghostscript will do the job very nicely. 
 I use it a lot personally.  For SLES, the ps2pdf command comes with the 
ghostscript-library package.  A simple ps2pdf input.ps output.pdf is all that 
is normally needed.


Mark Post


Re: Old question

2009-12-18 Thread Fran Hensler
I've been using this method ever since I migrated from VM/SP 3 to 4.
Works great!  Only once did I screw up because I had both minidisks in
R/W mode and it was easy to recover by reformatting the minidisk.

/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46 years
mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu  http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh  +1.724.738.2153
  Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock
--


On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:34:57 -0600 Mike Walter said:
  {snip}  I'll offer another
simple method disk-to-disk copy technique (usable by those not permitted
to download tools): Define a minidisk on both systems, on the same DASD at
the same extents for both systems.


Re: Old question

2009-12-18 Thread Bob Bates
As I said I know there are multiple ways to do what I wanted. I actually use 
several different ways of doing it depending on the situation.

I have a small 5.4 running 2nd level that I test apply maintenance on before 
any 1st level install. It has a virtual CTC to 1st level RSCS and I send files 
back and forth that way.

When I roll out new upgraded releases with a new res, I use the shared minidisk 
(R/W on 1st level, R/O on 2nd) to move files up and swap if I need to go the 
other way.

In this case I was going to have 6 different systems IPL'd under the same id 
(obviously not at the same time). Felt the PUNCH was easiest. 


Bob Bates
Enterprise Hosting Services 

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c. (214) 907-5071

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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf 
Of Fran Hensler
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:13 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Old question

I've been using this method ever since I migrated from VM/SP 3 to 4.
Works great!  Only once did I screw up because I had both minidisks in R/W mode 
and it was easy to recover by reformatting the minidisk.

/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46 years
mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu  http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh  +1.724.738.2153
  Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock
--


On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:34:57 -0600 Mike Walter said:
  {snip}  I'll offer another
simple method disk-to-disk copy technique (usable by those not 
permitted to download tools): Define a minidisk on both systems, on the 
same DASD at the same extents for both systems.


Re: Old question

2009-12-18 Thread Mike Walter
 As I said I know there are multiple ways to do what I wanted.
Right.  With z/VM and most other OS'es there are many ways to skin a cat - 
if you're into that sort of thing.  Chuckie may be into that, but lets not 
go there.

Nonetheless, having the discussion on the list serves to enlighten z/VM 
newbies with several additional ways to prepare the meal.  Learning from 
those who have trod the road of real experience often results in better 
understanding than obtuse written doc.  Of course, IBM's pubs are rarely 
obtuse - but instead serves as example which most other vendor's should 
emulate, including a certain two-letter ISV which shall remain nameless.

For those who have not discovered it yet, there is excellent WEB BROWSER 
ACCESS to the IBMVM discussion list.  It provides outstanding HISTORICAL 
SEARCH CAPABILITY - so that when you have a question, you can search the 
full history of the list (even before its name change to IBMVM) for 
previous similar discussions of related (or ANY!) question.  See: 
 
 http://listserv.uark.edu/archives/ibmvm.html


Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
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As I said I know there are multiple ways to do what I wanted. I actually 
use several different ways of doing it depending on the situation.

I have a small 5.4 running 2nd level that I test apply maintenance on 
before any 1st level install. It has a virtual CTC to 1st level RSCS and I 
send files back and forth that way.

When I roll out new upgraded releases with a new res, I use the shared 
minidisk (R/W on 1st level, R/O on 2nd) to move files up and swap if I 
need to go the other way.

In this case I was going to have 6 different systems IPL'd under the same 
id (obviously not at the same time). Felt the PUNCH was easiest. 


Bob Bates
Enterprise Hosting Services 

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-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On 
Behalf Of Fran Hensler
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:13 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Old question

I've been using this method ever since I migrated from VM/SP 3 to 4.
Works great!  Only once did I screw up because I had both minidisks in R/W 
mode and it was easy to recover by reformatting the minidisk.

/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46 years
mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu  http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh  +1.724.738.2153
  Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:34:57 -0600 Mike Walter said:
  {snip}  I'll offer another
simple method disk-to-disk copy technique (usable by those not 
permitted to download tools): Define a minidisk on both systems, on the 
same DASD at the same extents for both systems.






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Dougherty, Margaret is out of the office.

2009-12-18 Thread Margaret Dougherty
I will be out of the office starting  12/18/2009 and will not return until 
12/28/2009.

I will respond to your message when I return.

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