Re: Second screen in a z/VM CMS session
Rob, I would also be interested to get this code. Florian On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:41:15 -0400, Alex lba...@verizon.net wrote: is this code available, if so from where? Alex - Original Message - From: Rob van der Heij rvdh...@gmail.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:10 AM Subject: Re: Second screen in a z/VM CMS session Another userful thing that does not do what was asked for... I am very fond of Perry's SWAPCONS that does fullscreen on a dialed GRAF and linemode output on your normal terminal. Great if you want to trace REXX code that drives (XEDIT) full screen. R; === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15370) http://www.pctools.com/ ===
Re: Second screen in a z/VM CMS session
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Florian Bilek florian.bi...@gmail.com wrote: Rob, I would also be interested to get this code. Another userful thing that does not do what was asked for... I am very fond of Perry's SWAPCONS that does fullscreen on a dialed GRAF and linemode output on your normal terminal. Great if you want to trace REXX code that drives (XEDIT) full screen. Perry just reminded me the source is (since 1991!) on VMSHARE: http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/read?fn=SWAPCONSft=NOTEline=1 If people have trouble building and using it, we might need a package on the VM Download pages. R;
Re: Sample REXX using XEDIT
Hello Kris, Thanks very much, your LOOK are here. I will use this today, and let you know. Best Regards, Sergio Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 22:08:58 +0200 From: kris.buel...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sample REXX using XEDIT To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU My LOOK can do this all, it is not on the download lib as there are already so many. But I sent Sergio a copy 2010/7/7 Sergio Lima sergiovm...@hotmail.com Hello Kris, and all others. First, thanks very much from all help. I imagine, that I'm continue working like a Old programmer. Years ago, this problem was solved only with EXEC , or REXX and XEDIT macros. Your PIPE example, sound well. Of course all others opinions also. We have for example LOOKALL here, that work very well, but, We need a list of all CALL commands used by Cobol programas, and your contents, for example : CALL MYPROG using... LOOKALL can identify, but, I need edit program by program to see inside the program. Another think, is that CALL command can stay in the range 12-72 COBOL Coluns. We will try understant more about all opinions, but really try clarify more our problem. Thanks, Sergio Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:14:45 +0200 From: kris.buel...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sample REXX using XEDIT To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Or maybe 'PIPE ' fn ft fm, '|SPECS RECNO 1 1-* 12', /* insert record nbr */ '| Locate 12-* / CALL /', '| ... 2010/7/7 Sergio Lima sergiovm...@hotmail.com Hello List, We need, do here a REXX that will READ a lot of COBOL Programs. So, must, locate all CALL Statements, and think use XEDIT for this. Someone know, if have a place, or a documentation, for us get a sample program? Thanks Sergio Lima Costa PARA NAVEGAR COM MAIS PRIVACIDADE USE O INTERNET EXPLORER 8. INSTALE GRÁTIS. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support PARA NAVEGAR COM MAIS PRIVACIDADE USE O INTERNET EXPLORER 8. INSTALE GRÁTIS. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support _ QUER ANEXAR VÁRIAS FOTOS NUM EMAIL? PREPARE-SE PARA O NOVO HOTMAIL. CLIQUE AQUI. http://www.windowslive.com.br/public/product.aspx/view/1?ocid=Hotmail:Live:Hotmail:Tagline:senDimensao:QUERANEXAR80:-
Re: Large file transfer capacity
Hello Mike, You are right, that is an undocumented limitation of 'old' systems. My the first attempt to ftp the file 2G from PC to VM under z/VM 5.1 (relatively old too) was successful Filename Filetype Fm Format LreclRecords Blocks Date Time DISK74E ARC V1 V 32768 71657 573280 6/08/10 15:54:49 q disk v LABEL VDEV M STAT CYL TYPE BLKSZ FILES BLKS USED-(%) BLKS LEFT BLK TOTAL ADFADF V R/W 3338 3390 40961 575013-96 25827 600840 Thanks to all answered with ideas.. Nikolai. Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01.07.2010 19:35 To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Large file transfer capacity Nikolai, The terms Upload and Download are often confused. Let's be more direct. You said that you are attempting to send the file FROM your z/VM 4.4 system TO a Windows disk. Then post below displayed results of a QUERY DISK command before and after the failed attempt. That seems to imply that you are trying to send the file TO the VM system. That makes it seems as though you are really attempting to send the file FROM a PC TO a VM system. If that is the same, you may be caught be an undocumented 2G limit on FTP transfers INTO VM. We experienced that in VM/ESA 2.4.0. It is described in the IBMVM-L thread beginning Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:27:04 -0500 with the Subject: Augh The following URL should get you to the start of that thread: http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0708L=IBMVMD=0I=-3X=0444AA37681B11D21AY=Mike.Walter%40hewitt.comP=73906F=P If you really are trying to send the file to your old z/VM 4.4 system, it may be exposed to that same undocumented design limit. If that is the case, an upgrade would certainly correct the problem. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Nikolai Dorozhko doros...@iba.by Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/01/2010 10:48 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Large file transfer capacity Hello David, The Q disk was after abort, I used the same disk from what the file was downloaded, full 3390-3 without cyl 0. Nikolai. Wakser, David david.wak...@infocrossing.com 01.07.2010 18:30 To doros...@iba.by cc Subject RE: Large file transfer capacity Not virtual storage ? disk size. It looks like the VM disk was too small to receive the file. Is the Q DISK issued AFTER the FTP aborted? I think you will need to use SFS if you require more than 1 pack of a disk size in VM. David Wakser From: doros...@iba.by [mailto:doros...@iba.by] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:25 AM To: Wakser, David Subject: RE: Large file transfer capacity Hello David, On the IND$FILE upload, are you running out of space and is that why the upload fails? Do you mean that i should define a large virtual storage? That is my PC ftp screen rip. Sorry, it speaks Russian. Netout : Abort of connection by other computer q disk x LABEL VDEV M STAT CYL TYPE BLKSZ FILES BLKS USED-(%) BLKS LEFT BLK TOTAL ADFADF X R/O 3338 3390 40961 526004-88 74836 600840 file on disk after abort DISK74E ARC X1 V 8192 262147 524415 7/01/10 16:37:52 Nikolai Wakser, David david.wak...@infocrossing.com 01.07.2010 18:01 To Nikolai Dorozhko doros...@iba.by cc Subject RE: Large file transfer capacity I saw your post. On the IND$FILE upload, are you running out of space and is that why the upload fails? On the FTP, were there any messages? I cannot recall if there are any limitations possible in the FTP setup, but it COULD be stopped by a firewall. Is that possible? David Wakser From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Nikolai Dorozhko Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Large file transfer capacity Hello collegues, developers. Trying to download/upload a CMS binary file 2G to PC under z/VM 4.4. VM FTP aborts when transfer reaches 2G, IND$FILE downloads , but does not upload. What to do ? Will the new VM releases help? Nikolai Dorozhko, IBA, Minsk, Belarus e-mail: doros...@iba.by Confidentiality Note: This e-mail, including any attachment to it, may contain material that is confidential, proprietary, privileged and/or Protected Health Information, within the meaning of the regulations under the Health Insurance Portability Accountability Act as amended. If it is not clear that you are the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, including any attachment to it, is strictly prohibited. If you
Define CPU's
This should be easy, but I don't want to mess it up and I am a little confused as to exactly what I need to add to USER DIRECTORY to double CPU's. I am under the understanding that based on my LINDFLT all USERS are getting the equivalent of one CPU. I need to double the power to a handfull of WebSphere servers. Below is my LNDFLT and the server I need to increase. We have a z10 with 3 IFL's aimed at the zvm LPAR. Thank you in advance PROFILE LINDFLT CLASS G IPL CMS MACHINE ESA MAXSTORAGE 2047M * OPTION QUICKDSP * STORAGE 128M CONSOLE 0009 3215 T NICDEF 600 TYPE QDIO LAN SYSTEM VSW1 SPOOL 000C 2540 READER * SPOOL 000D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 000E 1403 A LINK MAINT 0190 0190 RR LINK MAINT 019D 019D RR LINK MAINT 019E 019E RR LINK TCPMAINT 0592 0592 RR USER LNX086 PGDN86 10240M 10240M INCLUDE LINDFLT MDISK 191 3390 0001 0500 l8601a MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE MDISK 201 3390 0501 1500 l8601A MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE MDISK 202 3390 2001 8016 L8601A MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE MDISK 700 3390 0001 32759 L8602A MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE MDISK 701 3390 0001 32759 L8603A MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE DEDICATE ED00 ED00 DEDICATE ED01 ED01 DEDICATE ED02 ED02 David M. Dean Information Systems BlueCross BlueShield Tennnessee - Please see the following link for the BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee E-mail disclaimer: http://www.bcbst.com/email_disclaimer.shtm
Re: XEDIT from a program
Yes, MSGMODE OFF does it all. Thank you very much again Phil, Wolfgang Software AG - Sitz/Registered office: Uhlandstra?e 12, 64297 Darmstadt, Germany, - Registergericht/Commercial register: Darmstadt HRB 1562 - Vorstand/ Management Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich (Vorsitzender/Chairman), David Broadbent, Mark Edwards, Dr. Peter Kurpick, Ivo Totev, Arnd Zinnhardt; - Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender/ Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Dr. Andreas Bereczky - http://www.softwareag.com/ -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:16 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: XEDIT from a program Buettner, Wolfgang wrote: We have a pretty old application that uses XEDIT and macros to manipulate files. It appears that if the target of locate /string/ is not found the ^ symbol is displayed on the console. Not nice, but I can live with that as it happens not so often. However, if and only if the application runs in a DISCONNECT virtual machine, also each :line number command writes the content of that line to the CONSOLE LOG file which adds thousands unneeded ones. Is there a way to avoid that? Maybe I have overseen something in the books . The ^ symbol is because MSGMODE is SHORT. Use SET MSGMODE OFF to suppress it (and turn it back on after the LOCATE command, or you won't see any messages!) The contents of the lines appearing is because VERIFY is ON. Use SET VERIFY OFF to suppress it. ...phsiii
Re: Define CPU's
David, Unless you're max'ing out these virtual machines by consuming 100% of a real processor, it should be as simple as increasing their SHARE values. Marty Zimelis On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Dean, David (I/S) david_d...@bcbst.com wrote: This should be easy, but I don’t want to mess it up and I am a little confused as to exactly what I need to add to USER DIRECTORY to double CPU’s. I am under the understanding that based on my LINDFLT all USERS are getting the equivalent of one CPU. I need to double the power to a handfull of WebSphere servers. Below is my LNDFLT and the server I need to increase. We have a z10 with 3 IFL’s aimed at the zvm LPAR. Thank you in advance PROFILE LINDFLT CLASS G IPL CMS MACHINE ESA MAXSTORAGE 2047M * OPTION QUICKDSP * STORAGE 128M CONSOLE 0009 3215 T NICDEF 600 TYPE QDIO LAN SYSTEM VSW1 SPOOL 000C 2540 READER * SPOOL 000D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 000E 1403 A LINK MAINT 0190 0190 RR LINK MAINT 019D 019D RR LINK MAINT 019E 019E RR LINK TCPMAINT 0592 0592 RR USER LNX086 PGDN86 10240M 10240M INCLUDE LINDFLT MDISK 191 3390 0001 0500 l8601a MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE MDISK 201 3390 0501 1500 l8601A MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE MDISK 202 3390 2001 8016 L8601A MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE MDISK 700 3390 0001 32759 L8602A MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE MDISK 701 3390 0001 32759 L8603A MR READ WRITE MULTIPLE DEDICATE ED00 ED00 DEDICATE ED01 ED01 DEDICATE ED02 ED02 David M. Dean Information Systems BlueCross BlueShield Tennnessee - Please see the following link for the BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee E-mail disclaimer: http://www.bcbst.com/email_disclaimer.shtm
Re: Define CPU's
On Thursday, 07/08/2010 at 11:02 EDT, Martin Zimelis martin.zime...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you're max'ing out these virtual machines by consuming 100% of a real processor, it should be as simple as increasing their SHARE values. To finish the thought, adding virtual CPUs to a guest does not add CPU capacity to a guest; SET SHARE does. Adding another virtual CPU may allow the guest to better use the CPU capacity it has been given, increasing throughput or decreasing response time, or it may actually slow the guest down. It all depends on the application. A good performance monitor will tell you if a guest is constrained, and why. Of course, one must measure, change, and measure again to ensure that the changes had the desired effect. Sometimes after you release the hounds, you discover that the yard is a mess. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Define CPU's
Another way of wording this is that adding CPUs to a virtual machine allows the guest to take advantage of multitasking, but does not increase the total amount of CPU time the image receives. If single threading tasks in the image is the bottleneck, then adding a CPU may relieve it. But if this isn't the issue, then it won't help. Now, I think I saw WebSphere mentioned somewhere along the line, and I think that it will take advantage of multitasking, given the increased number of available CPUs. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OC-1-18 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/8/10 10:20 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Thursday, 07/08/2010 at 11:02 EDT, Martin Zimelis martin.zime...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you're max'ing out these virtual machines by consuming 100% of a real processor, it should be as simple as increasing their SHARE values. To finish the thought, adding virtual CPUs to a guest does not add CPU capacity to a guest; SET SHARE does. Adding another virtual CPU may allow the guest to better use the CPU capacity it has been given, increasing throughput or decreasing response time, or it may actually slow the guest down. It all depends on the application. A good performance monitor will tell you if a guest is constrained, and why. Of course, one must measure, change, and measure again to ensure that the changes had the desired effect. Sometimes after you release the hounds, you discover that the yard is a mess. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
http://www.sys-con.com/node/1453414 Some information about the new Z machine(S). Systems people! buckle you belts. For some the ride over the last few years has been tough but it looks like it might get even worse should this article stand to have some teeth in it. Some might have already have additional information about these machines, care to share?
Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
I will be somewhat nasty. The author of that piece is, IMO, an idiot. Not from this article, but from articles she has written about the SCO vs. IBM lawsuit. As well as the ad hominem attacks she has made about PJ from Groklaw. Now, I think a blade server that could run zarch, power and x86 in a single box would be fantastic. John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:55 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Artical should be read 'zNEXT' http://www.sys-con.com/node/1453414 Some information about the new Z machine(S). Systems people! buckle you belts. For some the ride over the last few years has been tough but it looks like it might get even worse should this article stand to have some teeth in it. Some might have already have additional information about these machines, care to share?
Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Howard Rifkind vmes...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.sys-con.com/node/1453414Some might have already have additional information about these machines, care to share? Hmm...Anyone care to violate their NDA and risk never hearing from IBM again, unless it's from their lawyers? Note that this article is from Maureen O'Gara, who bears the same resemblance to a journalist that an 8086 does to a z10. She's consistently snide for no reason, and makes things up as she goes along when she doesn't have the facts. Really not worth wasting time reading. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it
Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
Note that this article is from Maureen O'Gara, who bears the same resemblance to a journalist that an 8086 does to a z10. She's consistently snide for no reason, and makes things up as she goes along when she doesn't have the facts. Ah, the Rita Skeeter of computer journalism. Dennis If I could not go to heaven but with a [political] party, I would not go there at all. -- Thomas Jefferson From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:01 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Artical should be read 'zNEXT' On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Howard Rifkind vmes...@yahoo.com wrote: Some might have already have additional information about these machines, care to share? Hmm...Anyone care to violate their NDA and risk never hearing from IBM again, unless it's from their lawyers? Note that this article is from Maureen O'Gara, who bears the same resemblance to a journalist that an 8086 does to a z10. She's consistently snide for no reason, and makes things up as she goes along when she doesn't have the facts. Really not worth wasting time reading. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it
Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
LOL. And what's with the dark glasses and hair blowing in the wind? Is that supposed to enhance credibility? From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Artical should be read 'zNEXT' Note that this article is from Maureen O'Gara, who bears the same resemblance to a journalist that an 8086 does to a z10. She's consistently snide for no reason, and makes things up as she goes along when she doesn't have the facts. Ah, the Rita Skeeter of computer journalism.
Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
No, it's to stop male readers dead in their tracks and actually read the article, Marcy:-). It worked on me. DJ On 07/08/2010 12:15 PM, Marcy Cortes wrote: LOL. And what's with the dark glasses and hair blowing in the wind? Is that supposed to enhance credibility? From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Artical should be read 'zNEXT' Note that this article is from Maureen O'Gara, who bears the same resemblance to a journalist that an 8086 does to a z10. She's consistently snide for no reason, and makes things up as she goes along when she doesn't have the facts. Ah, the Rita Skeeter of computer journalism. -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544
Re: Define CPU's
WebSphere caused the recommendation of the 2 CPU setup. I also appreciate all the educations on SET SHARE vs. SET CPU. I am now contemplating which cliff to jump off, if not both. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:24 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Define CPU's Another way of wording this is that adding CPUs to a virtual machine allows the guest to take advantage of multitasking, but does not increase the total amount of CPU time the image receives. If single threading tasks in the image is the bottleneck, then adding a CPU may relieve it. But if this isn't the issue, then it won't help. Now, I think I saw WebSphere mentioned somewhere along the line, and I think that it will take advantage of multitasking, given the increased number of available CPUs. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OC-1-18 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/8/10 10:20 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Thursday, 07/08/2010 at 11:02 EDT, Martin Zimelis martin.zime...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you're max'ing out these virtual machines by consuming 100% of a real processor, it should be as simple as increasing their SHARE values. To finish the thought, adding virtual CPUs to a guest does not add CPU capacity to a guest; SET SHARE does. Adding another virtual CPU may allow the guest to better use the CPU capacity it has been given, increasing throughput or decreasing response time, or it may actually slow the guest down. It all depends on the application. A good performance monitor will tell you if a guest is constrained, and why. Of course, one must measure, change, and measure again to ensure that the changes had the desired effect. Sometimes after you release the hounds, you discover that the yard is a mess. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott - Please see the following link for the BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee E-mail disclaimer: http://www.bcbst.com/email_disclaimer.shtm
Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
But it does send the message that her image is important, although my reaction is more the bubble-headed bleach-blonde, come on at five... -Chip- On 7/8/10 17:17 Dave Jones said: No, it's to stop male readers dead in their tracks and actually read the article, Marcy:-). It worked on me. DJ On 07/08/2010 12:15 PM, Marcy Cortes wrote: LOL. And what's with the dark glasses and hair blowing in the wind? Is that supposed to enhance credibility? From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Artical should be read 'zNEXT' Note that this article is from Maureen O'Gara, who bears the same resemblance to a journalist that an 8086 does to a z10. She's consistently snide for no reason, and makes things up as she goes along when she doesn't have the facts. Ah, the Rita Skeeter of computer journalism.
Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
When I read any of this from someone other than MOG, then, I'll believe it. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Chip Davis c...@aresti.com wrote: But it does send the message that her image is important, although my reaction is more the bubble-headed bleach-blonde, come on at five... -Chip- On 7/8/10 17:17 Dave Jones said: No, it's to stop male readers dead in their tracks and actually read the article, Marcy:-). It worked on me. DJ On 07/08/2010 12:15 PM, Marcy Cortes wrote: LOL. And what's with the dark glasses and hair blowing in the wind? Is that supposed to enhance credibility? From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Artical should be read 'zNEXT' Note that this article is from Maureen O'Gara, who bears the same resemblance to a journalist that an 8086 does to a z10. She's consistently snide for no reason, and makes things up as she goes along when she doesn't have the facts. Ah, the Rita Skeeter of computer journalism. -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317
Linkedin Group Order of Knights of VM
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Re: DMS/CMS.
I don't suppose you have CMAP installed (now from Unicom, but through a string of companies), do you? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/08/2010 02:28 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject DMS/CMS. Is there any good way, other than making it unavailable, that I can tell if anyone is using DMS/CMS? It is another legacy product that I suspect is no longer in use here. Regards, Richard Schuh The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: DMS/CMS.
You COULD replace it with a small module (compiled Rexx?) that does: - CP MSG somemachine I used DMSCMS, tell Richard to have me killed! - invokes the renamed DMSCMS module (or whatever it's called -- I forget) On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com wrote: Is there any good way, other than making it unavailable, that I can tell if anyone is using DMS/CMS? It is another legacy product that I suspect is no longer in use here. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it
Re: DMS/CMS.
No, we don't have it. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:37 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DMS/CMS. I don't suppose you have CMAP installed (now from Unicom, but through a string of companies), do you? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/08/2010 02:28 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject DMS/CMS. Is there any good way, other than making it unavailable, that I can tell if anyone is using DMS/CMS? It is another legacy product that I suspect is no longer in use here. Regards, Richard Schuh The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: DMS/CMS.
You could vmacct package the EUD* modules. Do you have VM:Account? Marcy From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] DMS/CMS. No, we don't have it. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:37 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DMS/CMS. I don't suppose you have CMAP installed (now from Unicom, but through a string of companies), do you? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/08/2010 02:28 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject DMS/CMS. Is there any good way, other than making it unavailable, that I can tell if anyone is using DMS/CMS? It is another legacy product that I suspect is no longer in use here. Regards, Richard Schuh The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: DMS/CMS.
Having it and having it installed are two different things. :-( It is yes to the first, no to the second. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:54 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DMS/CMS. You could vmacct package the EUD* modules. Do you have VM:Account? Marcy From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] DMS/CMS. No, we don't have it. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:37 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DMS/CMS. I don't suppose you have CMAP installed (now from Unicom, but through a string of companies), do you? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/08/2010 02:28 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject DMS/CMS. Is there any good way, other than making it unavailable, that I can tell if anyone is using DMS/CMS? It is another legacy product that I suspect is no longer in use here. Regards, Richard Schuh The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: DMS/CMS.
On: Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 12:28:58PM -0700,Schuh, Richard Wrote: } Is there any good way, other than making it unavailable, that I can tell if anyone is using DMS/CMS? It is another legacy product that I suspect is no longer in use here. The easiest would be to front-end it with something that sends an SMSG to an SVM then calls the normal EP. Assuming that a module is executed, rename it and write a bit of assembler code to send the SMSG and then run the renamed module with the original parms. Even easier if it starts with an exec. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero Casey (At the bridge)Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red Cinnar (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: DMS/CMS.
Four possible modules and a few EXECs that call the modules. I can look for the EXECs in current logs. I seriously doubt that anyone is calling the modules directly, but I will have to front-end then to be sure. Thanks Mike, zMan, Rich and all who have responded. If you have a better answer than the front-end modules, please continue to respond. Marcy's idea would be nice, but it necessitates changing the way we use the Accounting records. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:10 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DMS/CMS. On: Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 12:28:58PM -0700,Schuh, Richard Wrote: } Is there any good way, other than making it unavailable, that I can tell if anyone is using DMS/CMS? It is another legacy product that I suspect is no longer in use here. The easiest would be to front-end it with something that sends an SMSG to an SVM then calls the normal EP. Assuming that a module is executed, rename it and write a bit of assembler code to send the SMSG and then run the renamed module with the original parms. Even easier if it starts with an exec. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero Casey (At the bridge) Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red Cinnar (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
On 7/8/2010 at 12:54 PM, Howard Rifkind vmes...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.sys-con.com/node/1453414 Some information about the new Z machine(S). Systems people! buckle you belts. For some the ride over the last few years has been tough but it looks like it might get even worse should this article stand to have some teeth in it. Some might have already have additional information about these machines, care to share? Ditto what others have said about MOG. Beyond that, most of what she's writing about has been presented multiple times at SHARE, WAVV, and IBM's Technical University. She gets most of it wrong, of course, being who she is. Look through the SHARE and WAVV proceedings from the last couple of conferences. You'll get the real information that is out there, without the nonsense mixed in. Mark Post
Re: DMS/CMS.
Grab a *copy* of the accounting records and search them. Les Schuh, Richard wrote: Four possible modules and a few EXECs that call the modules. I can look for the EXECs in current logs. I seriously doubt that anyone is calling the modules directly, but I will have to front-end then to be sure. Thanks Mike, zMan, Rich and all who have responded. If you have a better answer than the front-end modules, please continue to respond. Marcy's idea would be nice, but it necessitates changing the way we use the Accounting records. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:10 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DMS/CMS. On: Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 12:28:58PM -0700,Schuh, Richard Wrote: } Is there any good way, other than making it unavailable, that I can tell if anyone is using DMS/CMS? It is another legacy product that I suspect is no longer in use here. The easiest would be to front-end it with something that sends an SMSG to an SVM then calls the normal EP. Assuming that a module is executed, rename it and write a bit of assembler code to send the SMSG and then run the renamed module with the original parms. Even easier if it starts with an exec. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero Casey (At the bridge) Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red Cinnar (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: DMS/CMS.
For what? There is nothing that I could see in the accounting records (ACOBK) that identifies the program being called. I run a Global Rexx Exit to capture Rexx program usage. My Rexx program logs going back 3.5 years show that nobody has used the EXECs to invoke DMS during that period. If I were a betting man, my bet would be that nobody is using the modules, either. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Les Koehler Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:23 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DMS/CMS. Grab a *copy* of the accounting records and search them. Les Schuh, Richard wrote: Four possible modules and a few EXECs that call the modules. I can look for the EXECs in current logs. I seriously doubt that anyone is calling the modules directly, but I will have to front-end then to be sure. Thanks Mike, zMan, Rich and all who have responded. If you have a better answer than the front-end modules, please continue to respond. Marcy's idea would be nice, but it necessitates changing the way we use the Accounting records. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:10 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DMS/CMS. On: Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 12:28:58PM -0700,Schuh, Richard Wrote: } Is there any good way, other than making it unavailable, that I can tell if anyone is using DMS/CMS? It is another legacy product that I suspect is no longer in use here. The easiest would be to front-end it with something that sends an SMSG to an SVM then calls the normal EP. Assuming that a module is executed, rename it and write a bit of assembler code to send the SMSG and then run the renamed module with the original parms. Even easier if it starts with an exec. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero Casey (At the bridge) Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red Cinnar (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Message Handling
With this setup: * Disconnected service machine * MSG ON * Console spooled When a user sends a msg to that machine, the result is: * The message is displayed in the spooled console log. * The sender gets the message HCPMFS057I svmid not receiving; disconnected Why does the sender get the message? Clearly, the message was received. That is, it was received unless you have some interesting definition of received. Regards, Richard Schuh
Re: Message Handling
I can only surmise that the message: userid not receiving; disconnected was designed in the good olden days (we both remember those!) when usually the only ones logged onto VM were real people, not service machines. If you were expecting an acknowledgement from the person on the other end along the lines of: Sure, go ahead and re-assemble all of the DMK modules during the day while the interactive usage is high, it's OK with me, then you'd want to know that they were not connected, recalling that Mom and Dad rules do not apply at work, thus keeping you from shooting your career in the foot. (Anyone with kids knows that they think that Mom and Dad rules are that silence is acceptance) ;-) Nowadays, most of the users are often service machines. However... we can easily code around that, e.g.: EXECIO 0 CP (STRING MSG targetid Does anyone know what time it is? PIPE CP MSG targetid Does anyone really care? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/08/2010 05:39 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Message Handling With this setup: Disconnected service machine MSG ON Console spooled When a user sends a msg to that machine, the result is: The message is displayed in the spooled console log. The sender gets the message HCPMFS057I svmid not receiving; disconnected Why does the sender get the message? Clearly, the message was received. That is, it was received unless you have some interesting definition of received. Regards, Richard Schuh The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Message Handling
Or call diag 8, 'MSG svcid msgtext' (which is probably the lightest of the methods). I would have thought that the definition of receiving would have been expanded to include and machine with is console spooled by now. If I were expecting an acknowledgement from the other end, I would (a) probably have chosen another communication path, and (b) in the absence of a reply, assume that the response was not the go ahead. On the other hand, if assembling all of the HCP and DMK modules were the task, that is what batch systems are for. It doesn't hurt to use up spare cpu cycles for doing heavy lifting so long as the machine is not favored over others who are engaged in interactive usage. The spare cycles go to waste unless there is a sponge to soak them up. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:57 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Message Handling I can only surmise that the message: userid not receiving; disconnected was designed in the good olden days (we both remember those!) when usually the only ones logged onto VM were real people, not service machines. If you were expecting an acknowledgement from the person on the other end along the lines of: Sure, go ahead and re-assemble all of the DMK modules during the day while the interactive usage is high, it's OK with me, then you'd want to know that they were not connected, recalling that Mom and Dad rules do not apply at work, thus keeping you from shooting your career in the foot. (Anyone with kids knows that they think that Mom and Dad rules are that silence is acceptance) ;-) Nowadays, most of the users are often service machines. However... we can easily code around that, e.g.: EXECIO 0 CP (STRING MSG targetid Does anyone know what time it is? PIPE CP MSG targetid Does anyone really care? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/08/2010 05:39 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Message Handling With this setup: * Disconnected service machine * MSG ON * Console spooled When a user sends a msg to that machine, the result is: * The message is displayed in the spooled console log. * The sender gets the message HCPMFS057I svmid not receiving; disconnected Why does the sender get the message? Clearly, the message was received. That is, it was received unless you have some interesting definition of received. Regards, Richard Schuh The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Message Handling
On: Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 03:39:02PM -0700,Schuh, Richard Wrote: } With this setup: } } * Disconnected service machine } * MSG ON } * Console spooled } } When a user sends a msg to that machine, the result is: } } * The message is displayed in the spooled console log. } * The sender gets the message HCPMFS057I svmid not receiving; disconnected } } Why does the sender get the message? Clearly, the message was received. That is, it was received unless you have some interesting definition of received. IMHO, it went straight to the console log and was not seen/received by whatever processes (if any) that were running in the VM. Now if you had something running that had SET MSG IUCV and had IUCV running, Then I expect that you would not have seen the not receiving. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero Casey (At the bridge)Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red Cinnar (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT'
Well...so much for that post. Guess we will just have to wait and see what pops out. --- On Thu, 7/8/10, Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com wrote: From: Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com Subject: Re: Artical should be read 'zNEXT' To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 1:17 PM No, it's to stop male readers dead in their tracks and actually read the article, Marcy:-). It worked on me. DJ On 07/08/2010 12:15 PM, Marcy Cortes wrote: LOL. And what's with the dark glasses and hair blowing in the wind? Is that supposed to enhance credibility? From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Artical should be read 'zNEXT' Note that this article is from Maureen O'Gara, who bears the same resemblance to a journalist that an 8086 does to a z10. She's consistently snide for no reason, and makes things up as she goes along when she doesn't have the facts. Ah, the Rita Skeeter of computer journalism. -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544
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