IBM Announcements Today
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There Goes the Neighborhood. Larry Davis From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Bodra - Pessoal Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:15 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBM Announcements Today http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.jsp?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/897/ENUS111-078/index.htmlbreadCrum=DET001PT022url=buttonpressed=DET001PT116page=1000paneltext1=DET001PEF011user+type=EXTlang=en_USInfoType=ANInfoSubType=CAInfoDesc=Announcement+Letterspanelurl=index.wss%3Fbuttonpressed%3DDET001PT116%26page%3D1000%26paneltext1%3DDET001PEF011%26user%2Btype%3DEXTpaneltext=Announcement%20letter%20searc hhttp://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.jsp?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/897/ENUS111-078/index.htmlbreadCrum=DET001PT022url=buttonpressed=DET001PT116page=1000paneltext1=DET001PEF011user+type=EXTlang=en_USInfoType=ANInfoSubType=CAInfoDesc=Announcement+Letterspanelurl=index.wss%3Fbuttonpressed%3DDET001PT116%26page%3D1000%26paneltext1%3DDET001PEF011%26user%2Btype%3DEXTpaneltext=Announcement%20letter%20search Windows will run on zEntreprise zBX. -- Carlos Bodra IBM zSeries Certified Specialist Sao Paulo - Brazil
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It appears to me that the zBX is z only in the fact that it will connect to a z10 or z196 running z/OS and is therefore part of the zEnterprise. I'm sure it's an improvement in blade server management but it's not like they announced an IFW... -Chip- On 4/12/11 12:34 Davis, Larry (National VM/VSE Capability) said: There Goes the Neighborhood. Larry Davis** *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Carlos Bodra - Pessoal *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:15 AM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* IBM Announcements Today http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.jsp?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/897/ENUS111-078/index.htmlbreadCrum=DET001PT022url=buttonpressed=DET001PT116page=1000paneltext1=DET001PEF011user+type=EXTlang=en_USInfoType=ANInfoSubType=CAInfoDesc=Announcement+Letterspanelurl=index.wss%3Fbuttonpressed%3DDET001PT116%26page%3D1000%26paneltext1%3DDET001PEF011%26user%2Btype%3DEXTpaneltext=Announcement%20letter%20searc h http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.jsp?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/897/ENUS111-078/index.htmlbreadCrum=DET001PT022url=buttonpressed=DET001PT116page=1000paneltext1=DET001PEF011user+type=EXTlang=en_USInfoType=ANInfoSubType=CAInfoDesc=Announcement+Letterspanelurl=index.wss%3Fbuttonpressed%3DDET001PT116%26page%3D1000%26paneltext1%3DDET001PEF011%26user%2Btype%3DEXTpaneltext=Announcement%20letter%20search Windows will run on zEntreprise zBX. -- Carlos Bodra IBM zSeries Certified Specialist Sao Paulo - Brazil
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I'm sure it's an improvement in blade server management but it's not like they announced an IFW... Which is already available. 8-) -- db
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Now we get to wait for the announcements of licensing and support fees for all the various software available for this platform. That has the potential to take the bloom off the rose.
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On Tuesday, 04/12/2011 at 10:41 EDT, Chip Davis c...@aresti.com wrote: It appears to me that the zBX is z only in the fact that it will connect to a z10 or z196 running z/OS and is therefore part of the zEnterprise. I'm sure it's an improvement in blade server management but it's not like they announced an IFW... There is no requirement for a zEnterprise system to run z/OS. And zBX is more z than just some cables: - All of the management is via the (z)HMC. You do not have direct access to the System p PowerVM or (later) System x KVM hypervisor. - All of the warranty/service activities are handled as they are for traditional z It's easiest (IMO) to think of it as a single multi-architecture mainframe. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
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On Tuesday, 04/12/2011 at 12:17 EDT, David L. Craig d...@radix.net wrote: Now we get to wait for the announcements of licensing and support fees for all the various software available for this platform. That has the potential to take the bloom off the rose. IBM is forthright in saying that the virtual servers running in the zEnterprise BladeCenter Extension (zBX) run on PowerVM or KVM hypervisors. It's not another platform that the vendors will need to certify, and so you should expect the same licensing model as if these were standalone BladeCenters. If you find that some vendor is trying to price differently on zBX, start asking questions. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicottd
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On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: If you find that some vendor is trying to price differently on zBX, start asking questions. I believe you can count on the readers on this list to do just that, and in the meantime that assurance permits defensible guest-imating. Thank you.
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On Tuesday, 04/12/2011 at 12:17 EDT, David L. Craig d...@radix.net wrote: Now we get to wait for the announcements of licensing and support fees for all the various software available for this platform. That has the potential to take the bloom off the rose. IBM is forthright in saying that the virtual servers running in the zEnterprise BladeCenter Extension (zBX) run on PowerVM or KVM hypervisors. Ding ding ding! Unsupported virtualization detected. Arm pricing specialists, Mr. Sulu! It's not another platform that the vendors will need to certify, and so you should expect the same licensing model as if these were standalone BladeCenters. Assuming they do not have language in their licenses that prohibit running the software in any environment that they do not explicitly have pricing models published, eg Microsoft. SAP. Peoplesoft. Oracle. Etc. Dave Craig is right: read that fine print. IBM has just triggered the next wave of pricing wars. -- db
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On Tuesday, 04/12/2011 at 02:50 EDT, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote: It's not another platform that the vendors will need to certify, and so you should expect the same licensing model as if these were standalone BladeCenters. Assuming they do not have language in their licenses that prohibit running the software in any environment that they do not explicitly have pricing models published, eg Microsoft. SAP. Peoplesoft. Oracle. Etc. Dave Craig is right: read that fine print. IBM has just triggered the next wave of pricing wars. We're saying the same thing. My point was that the pricing model should not be *different*. If the vendor doesn't have a pricing model for PowerVM or KVM, then I don't expect them to have one for zBX, either. If they have it, but don't publish it, then I don't expect that to change either. You call them up, you go out to lunch, there is a piece of paper with a number on it that slides across the table,you cross out that number, write another one, slide it back, shake hands and part company. Simple. :-) I've seen recent cases where clients and vendors on System z are circling each other warily as they try to hammer out a first-for-the-vendor pricing model that is not based on the number of cores dedicated to a server. The whole shared-CPU capacity thing requires a different mindset and technical implementation of license controls. I have no idea what the provisioning capabilities will be for System x in the zBX, whether it will be with dedicated (a la PowerVM) or shared CPU capacity. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
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My point was that the pricing model should not be *different*. Other parts of IBM clearly did NOT get that memo. But, I see your point. Simple. :-) As Pain in Hercules would put it: If. If is good. --d b
