Re: New mainframe redbook
On 1 Aug 2006 at 22:34, Adam Thornton wrote: Man, it sucks to be you, said the fat lion. I went to White Plains. I ate an IBM Middle Manager a day, and no one ever even noticed. In the Israeli version of that story, the lion was caught when he ate The person in charge of making tea and coffee at breaks. Shimon
Re: New mainframe redbook
Rabbit season! Manager season! Rabbit season! Manager season! Shoot! Shoot! BANG! Jon snip IT managers generally run about 30-35 cents a pound, and about 12 miles per hour, top speed. They're usually in season from August through October, with the young ones appearing in April or May. The bag limit is 2: one in each hand - that's all they can carry. /snip
Re: New mainframe redbook
Yesterday, IBM released an new Redbook entitled: Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html) ... It would be nice, imho, if IBM was to produce a similar Redbook for z/VM. I would be willing to contribute to it Dave: This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. Jim
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Hi, Jim. spare time and Jim Elliott are phrases one very seldom sees together in the same sentence;-) At least one other person, besides myself, has expressed interest in contributing to a new document. What do we need to do to get this made into a formal project? Have a good one. DJ Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, IBM released an new Redbook entitled: Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html) ... It would be nice, imho, if IBM was to produce a similar Redbook for z/VM. I would be willing to contribute to it Dave: This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. Jim
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How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:34:32 -0500, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] w rote: spare time and Jim Elliott are phrases one very seldom sees together in the same sentence;-) At least one other person, besides myself, has expressed interest in contributing to a new document. What do we need to do to get this made into a formal project? DJ Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, IBM released an new Redbook entitled: Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html) This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. Jim
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On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:18 AST, Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. There is already a proposal to create such a book. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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count me in please. David Boyes wrote: On the other hand, why not do it ourselves? I'm willing to assemble, edit and typeset the book if others can contribute some of the content. IBM has published such things in the past via IBM Press, or I have contacts with Addison Wesley and O'Reilly that can get this published quickly. If we can agree on an outline and a timeframe, then that'll be a lot quicker than getting IBM to create a project for this. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:16 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New mainframe redbook How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211
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Thanks interesting to hear, Alan. As you might infer, there seems to be some interest both some of the list membership to see such a Redbook produced and are willing to donate some of their time and energy to make it happen. Can you tell us where this proposal stands? Is it related to the work Jim mentioned that he has already started? Wish I could be in Baltimore for SHARE, but my inheritance hasn't come through yet:-) DJ Alan Altmark wrote: On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:18 AST, Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. There is already a proposal to create such a book. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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Well, we certainly seem to have enough Davids will to contribute...now we need some Bartons, Reeds, Romneys, Alans, Robs, Marcys and other VM gurus:-) DJ David Kreuter wrote: count me in please. David Boyes wrote: On the other hand, why not do it ourselves? I'm willing to assemble, edit and typeset the book if others can contribute some of the content. IBM has published such things in the past via IBM Press, or I have contacts with Addison Wesley and O'Reilly that can get this published quickly. If we can agree on an outline and a timeframe, then that'll be a lot quicker than getting IBM to create a project for this. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:16 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New mainframe redbook How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211
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On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:58 EST, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks interesting to hear, Alan. As you might infer, there seems to be some interest both some of the list membership to see such a Redbook produced and are willing to donate some of their time and energy to make it happen. Can you tell us where this proposal stands? Is it related to the work Jim mentioned that he has already started? The proposal is in the list to be considered and prioritized for 2007. Initial thoughts include: - System z hardware, with expanded discussion of assists, VM exploitation, and Guest exploitation - Evolution of virtualization on the mainframe - z/VM theory of operation and subsystems, with special attention on security and integrity - Day-to-day operations, incl. health checkin - User and resource administration - Use (the CMS Primer and Terminal Users Guide return!) - Automation - Guest operating systems - Integration into the enterprise The intent is to take information we already have from a variety of sources, then consolidate and distill it into a readable document that would allow someone unfamiliar with z/VM to get a sense of the Big Picture, even if the edge of the picture remains a bit out of focus. You could hand this book to a prospective VM sysprog or IT manager and they both would get something out of it. aka z/VM 101. Best Practices and System Programmer Tricks would be in vols. 2 and 3. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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If time permits, I'd volunteer too. Surely vols 3 seems attractive to me. Kris, IBM Belgium, VM customer support On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:58 EST, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks interesting to hear, Alan. As you might infer, there seems to be some interest both some of the list membership to see such a Redbook produced and are willing to donate some of their time and energy to make it happen. Can you tell us where this proposal stands? Is it related to the work Jim mentioned that he has already started? The proposal is in the list to be considered and prioritized for 2007. Initial thoughts include: - System z hardware, with expanded discussion of assists, VM exploitation, and Guest exploitation - Evolution of virtualization on the mainframe - z/VM theory of operation and subsystems, with special attention on security and integrity - Day-to-day operations, incl. health checkin - User and resource administration - Use (the CMS Primer and Terminal Users Guide return!) - Automation - Guest operating systems - Integration into the enterprise The intent is to take information we already have from a variety of sources, then consolidate and distill it into a readable document that would allow someone unfamiliar with z/VM to get a sense of the Big Picture, even if the edge of the picture remains a bit out of focus. You could hand this book to a prospective VM sysprog or IT manager and they both would get something out of it. aka z/VM 101. Best Practices and System Programmer Tricks would be in vols. 2 and 3. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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Was that volumes 2 and 3 **through** 8!? %-)~ Mike Walter Hewitt Associates David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 08/01/2006 02:00 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: New mainframe redbook I'm drafting a working outline for a community-published book to address some of this. Give me a day or so, and let's see if people are willing to sign up for pieces of it, and then we can plan volumes 2 and 3...8-) -- db OK, I see where you're heading with this. It's a much bigger project than what I was proposing doing with the z/OS Redbook. As Rob has suggested, having one or two authors per chapter, seemed to have worked well with the old VM/ESA Handbooks, and could do so here on the project as well. What can we, the folks that have expressed a willingness to help, do to get this moving along? The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
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On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 01:36 EST, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I see where you're heading with this. It's a much bigger project than what I was proposing doing with the z/OS Redbook. The z/OS Redbook is 700 pages and just scratches the surface of z/OS. It really is the basics. But you get an idea of what z/OS is capable of doing (if not how to actually do it). And it has extensive use of color drawings, taking advantage of 1 pic := 1K words. As Rob has suggested, having one or two authors per chapter, seemed to have worked well with the old VM/ESA Handbooks, and could do so here on the project as well. What can we, the folks that have expressed a willingness to help, do to get this moving along? If you're interested in a Redbook, the first thing I'd do is go to the Redbooks website and review the process. It's not the same as that used by textbooks in general. If you have strong feelings about the Redbooks IBM produces (or should produce), then follow the Contact Us link on the website. And be sure to have a clear goal of your audience. Are you trying to explain to System Programmers how to be Good VM System Programmers? Are you trying to educate a colledge student? Sell an IT manager? Scoping the project is probably the most difficult aspect, whether we're talking about a Redbook, a textbook, or a community project. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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Ah, flattered to be included in that list of fine VM folks. However, I'm running around like a chicken without its head these days. Be careful what you ask for - build it they will come - and then they won't go away! I think it was way easier being a less important o/s fighting for survival rather than here in the limelight (head light, whatever). Now, I've got a new guy who I though I would give the straightforward task of Order the PTFs required for z/VM 510 to run on a 2094. Do this by checking on the PSP bucket for 2094DEVICE. Easy,peasy, right? The list of stuff to order at the bottom on ibmlink.com of that bucket is a whole mishmash of different releases, and didn't cover the ones actually needed. If you open an ETR these days and ask a real person to order you the bucket, is it possible to download electronically? The last thing I need is an actual tape! Anyway - put that stuff in the book since I'm finding it hard to explain to anyone! Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 09:02 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] New mainframe redbook Well, we certainly seem to have enough Davids will to contribute...now we need some Bartons, Reeds, Romneys, Alans, Robs, Marcys and other VM gurus:-) DJ David Kreuter wrote: count me in please. David Boyes wrote: On the other hand, why not do it ourselves? I'm willing to assemble, edit and typeset the book if others can contribute some of the content. IBM has published such things in the past via IBM Press, or I have contacts with Addison Wesley and O'Reilly that can get this published quickly. If we can agree on an outline and a timeframe, then that'll be a lot quicker than getting IBM to create a project for this. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:16 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New mainframe redbook How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211
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Ah, flattered to be included in that list of fine VM folks. However, I'm running around like a chicken without its head these days. Be careful what you ask for - build it they will come - and then they won't go away! I think it was way easier being a less important o/s fighting for survival rather than here in the limelight (head light, whatever). Ah, welcome fellow Deer (chicken?) in the middle of the Linux Road! Rick Barlow said a good quote today that I am using/stealing now: And I thought we were busy -before- Linux showed up! This whole Linux thing is just a fad. Saving millions of dollars, bah! It won't last... CIO/CTOs will get bored with saving seven figures and stop bugging us. That list of fine VM folks has to be suspect, especially when one starts with Reed. (I can get away with this since he won't be at SHARE :-) ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Technology Solutions Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
