Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-23 Thread David Booher
As a follow-up to this (for those interested), this turned out to be a hardware 
problem. The HMC's hard drive had crashed and communications was totally messed 
up.  The CE promptly got things under control and I was happy to see: 

CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR CONTROL
LER.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2817I LOAD COMPLETED FROM THE PROCESSOR CONTROLLER.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2817I NOW STARTING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4.
CFCC4   : 11:36:29 CF0009I Licensed Internal Code - Property of IBM
CFCC4   : Coupling facility control code
CFCC4   : (C) Copyright IBM Corp 1993,1994,1995,1996,1997
CFCC4   : All rights reserved.
CFCC4   : US Government Users Restricted Rights -
CFCC4   : Use, duplication or disclosure restricted
CFCC4   : by GSA ADP Schedule Contract with IBM Corp.
CFCC4   : 11:36:29 CF0280I CFCC Release 15.00, Service Level 00.27
CFCC4   :  Built on 12/06/2007 at 13:26:00
CFCC4   :  Code Load Features:
CFCC4   : Facility Operational Level: 15
CFCC4   : 11:36:29 CF0010I Coupling Facility is active with:
CFCC4   : 1 CP
CFCC4   : 0 CF Receiver Channels
CFCC4   : 0 CF Sender Channels
CFCC4   : 172 MB of allocatable storage



Thanks to those who offered their advice on this! 

Dave Booher
Quest Software



===
From: 
David Booher david.boo...@quest.com 
To: 
IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu 
Date: 
09/06/2011 12:25 
Subject: 
Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR 
Sent by: 
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu
 

09:40:56 XAUTOLOG CFCC4
09:40:56 COMMAND ACCEPTED
09:40:56 AUTO LOGON  ***   CFCC4USERS = 16BY OPERATOR
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROL
LER.
09:43:32 SEND CFCC4 HELP
CFCC4   : HCPPCX6531E THE OPERATING SYSTEM WILL NOT ACCEPT COMMANDS FROM 
THE SERVICE PROCESSOR.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROLLER DID NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT260E IPL COMMAND PROCESSING CANNOT COMPLETE DUE TO ERRORS.


Dave Booher
Quest Software








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Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-23 Thread David Boyes
 As a follow-up to this (for those interested), this turned out to be a
 hardware problem. The HMC's hard drive had crashed and communications
 was totally messed up.  The CE promptly got things under control 

Suddenly I had a flash of the scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian after 
Brian escapes from the Romans and goes out to the hermit with the juniper 
bushes, followed by the crowd:

The Message!  Believe in the Message!

No, the gourd!

The shoe!

Heretics! Unbelievers! Smite them! 

Seriously, though, glad to see the hardware diags actually worked. 

-- db


Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-14 Thread gclovis
David,
I don't have access to a Z10, so it is only speculation.
Something to check:
Are the CF Processors dedicated to CF LPAR?
The VM LPAR have access to at least one CF processor? 
Is VM LPAR running in Mode VM?
Follow this line...
__
Clovis



From:
David Booher david.boo...@quest.com
To:
IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu
Date:
09/06/2011 12:25
Subject:
Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR
Sent by:
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu



Yes, I see what you see on my zVM 4.4 system running on my z800 here in 
Chicago, but the z10 in the UK runs zVM in an LPAR and gives the strange 
messages indicated below. 

I saw Alan's response, but I'm unsure how to proceed.  I know they are 
running CFs in LPARs on the z10, so I don't think it's a licensing 
issue... Is it just a matter of exposing the CF processors to the zVM 
LPAR?  Is this a requirement for zVM 5.3? 

No, the CF inside of zVM on this z10 has never been tried before.  I want 
to get it working so I can test my DB2 version 10 SYSPLEX there, because 
DB2 won't run on my z800 here in Chicago. 

My messages are cryptic at best.  I particularly like the one I got back 
from trying to SEND the CF machine as message while it was supposedly 
loading.

09:40:56 XAUTOLOG CFCC4
09:40:56 COMMAND ACCEPTED
09:40:56 AUTO LOGON  ***   CFCC4USERS = 16BY OPERATOR
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROL
LER.
09:43:32 SEND CFCC4 HELP
CFCC4   : HCPPCX6531E THE OPERATING SYSTEM WILL NOT ACCEPT COMMANDS FROM 
THE SERVICE PROCESSOR.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROLLER DID NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT260E IPL COMMAND PROCESSING CANNOT COMPLETE DUE TO ERRORS.

 
Dave Booher
Quest Software
 
 





Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-14 Thread David Booher
Forgive my ignorance, but is this all defined in the IOCP?  Because the IOCP is 
very generic and most of the stuff is SHARED.  I don't see anything in the 
current IOCP that sets any partition apart from the other.  BTW, this is a z9 
that's having trouble:

snip
 IOCONFIG ID=33
 IDMSG2='SYS1.IODF33 - Z9 23JAN08',SYSTEM=(7060,1),*
   TOK=('M3000H30',0081AD0E2094202540630106302F*
   ,,'06-10-29','20:25:40','SYS1','IODF99')
*
  RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(CFE1,9),(CFE2,A),   +
   (PART1,1),(PART2,2),(PART3,3),(PART4,4),+
   (PART5,5),(PART6,6),(PART7,7),(PART8,8)))
/snip


Dave






From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of gclo...@br.ibm.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:23 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

David,
I don't have access to a Z10, so it is only speculation.
Something to check:

  *   Are the CF Processors dedicated to CF LPAR?
  *   The VM LPAR have access to at least one CF processor?
  *   Is VM LPAR running in Mode VM?
Follow this line...
__
Clovis

From:

David Booher david.boo...@quest.com

To:

IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu

Date:

09/06/2011 12:25

Subject:

Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

Sent by:

The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu






Yes, I see what you see on my zVM 4.4 system running on my z800 here in 
Chicago, but the z10 in the UK runs zVM in an LPAR and gives the strange 
messages indicated below.

I saw Alan's response, but I'm unsure how to proceed.  I know they are running 
CFs in LPARs on the z10, so I don't think it's a licensing issue... Is it 
just a matter of exposing the CF processors to the zVM LPAR?  Is this a 
requirement for zVM 5.3?

No, the CF inside of zVM on this z10 has never been tried before.  I want to 
get it working so I can test my DB2 version 10 SYSPLEX there, because DB2 won't 
run on my z800 here in Chicago.

My messages are cryptic at best.  I particularly like the one I got back from 
trying to SEND the CF machine as message while it was supposedly loading.

09:40:56 XAUTOLOG CFCC4
09:40:56 COMMAND ACCEPTED
09:40:56 AUTO LOGON  ***   CFCC4USERS = 16BY OPERATOR
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR
CONTROL
LER.
09:43:32 SEND CFCC4 HELP
CFCC4   : HCPPCX6531E THE OPERATING SYSTEM WILL NOT ACCEPT COMMANDS FROM
THE SERVICE PROCESSOR.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR
CONTROLLER DID NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT260E IPL COMMAND PROCESSING CANNOT COMPLETE DUE TO ERRORS.


Dave Booher
Quest Software






Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-14 Thread gclovis
Hi, David.
No, the processors and LPAR modes are defined into HMC (Hardware 
Management Console), function Configure Activation Profiles.
It is not IOCP.
Regards,
__
Clovis 



From:
David Booher david.boo...@quest.com
To:
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Date:
14/06/2011 10:44
Subject:
Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR
Sent by:
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU



Forgive my ignorance, but is this all defined in the IOCP?  Because the 
IOCP is very generic and most of the stuff is SHARED.  I don’t see 
anything in the current IOCP that sets any partition apart from the other. 
 BTW, this is a z9 that’s having trouble: 
 
snip
 IOCONFIG ID=33
 IDMSG2='SYS1.IODF33 - Z9 23JAN08',SYSTEM=(7060,1),*
   TOK=('M3000H30',0081AD0E2094202540630106302F*
   ,,'06-10-29','20:25:40','SYS1','IODF99')
*
  RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(CFE1,9),(CFE2,A),   +
   (PART1,1),(PART2,2),(PART3,3),(PART4,4),+
   (PART5,5),(PART6,6),(PART7,7),(PART8,8)))
/snip
 
 
Dave
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On 
Behalf Of gclo...@br.ibm.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:23 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR
 
David, 
I don't have access to a Z10, so it is only speculation. 
Something to check: 
Are the CF Processors dedicated to CF LPAR? 
The VM LPAR have access to at least one CF processor? 
Is VM LPAR running in Mode VM?
Follow this line... 
__
Clovis 


From: 
David Booher david.boo...@quest.com 
To: 
IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu 
Date: 
09/06/2011 12:25 
Subject: 
Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR 
Sent by: 
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu
 




Yes, I see what you see on my zVM 4.4 system running on my z800 here in 
Chicago, but the z10 in the UK runs zVM in an LPAR and gives the strange 
messages indicated below. 

I saw Alan's response, but I'm unsure how to proceed.  I know they are 
running CFs in LPARs on the z10, so I don't think it's a licensing 
issue... Is it just a matter of exposing the CF processors to the zVM 
LPAR?  Is this a requirement for zVM 5.3? 

No, the CF inside of zVM on this z10 has never been tried before.  I want 
to get it working so I can test my DB2 version 10 SYSPLEX there, because 
DB2 won't run on my z800 here in Chicago. 

My messages are cryptic at best.  I particularly like the one I got back 
from trying to SEND the CF machine as message while it was supposedly 
loading.

09:40:56 XAUTOLOG CFCC4
09:40:56 COMMAND ACCEPTED
09:40:56 AUTO LOGON  ***   CFCC4USERS = 16BY OPERATOR
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROL
LER.
09:43:32 SEND CFCC4 HELP
CFCC4   : HCPPCX6531E THE OPERATING SYSTEM WILL NOT ACCEPT COMMANDS FROM 
THE SERVICE PROCESSOR.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROLLER DID NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT260E IPL COMMAND PROCESSING CANNOT COMPLETE DUE TO ERRORS.


Dave Booher
Quest Software








Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-14 Thread David Booher
Ok, that’s what I eventually figured out…. we’re checking into that now.

Thanks for the advice and a “place to start looking”…..

Dave


From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of gclo...@br.ibm.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:58 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

Hi, David.
No, the processors and LPAR modes are defined into HMC (Hardware Management 
Console), function Configure Activation Profiles.
It is not IOCP.
Regards,
__
Clovis

From:

David Booher david.boo...@quest.com

To:

IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU

Date:

14/06/2011 10:44

Subject:

Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

Sent by:

The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU






Forgive my ignorance, but is this all defined in the IOCP?  Because the IOCP is 
very generic and most of the stuff is SHARED.  I don’t see anything in the 
current IOCP that sets any partition apart from the other.  BTW, this is a z9 
that’s having trouble:

snip
 IOCONFIG ID=33
 IDMSG2='SYS1.IODF33 - Z9 23JAN08',SYSTEM=(7060,1),*
   TOK=('M3000H30',0081AD0E2094202540630106302F*
   ,,'06-10-29','20:25:40','SYS1','IODF99')
*
  RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(CFE1,9),(CFE2,A),   +
   (PART1,1),(PART2,2),(PART3,3),(PART4,4),+
   (PART5,5),(PART6,6),(PART7,7),(PART8,8)))
/snip


Dave






From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of gclo...@br.ibm.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:23 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

David,
I don't have access to a Z10, so it is only speculation.
Something to check:

  *   Are the CF Processors dedicated to CF LPAR?
  *   The VM LPAR have access to at least one CF processor?
  *   Is VM LPAR running in Mode VM?
Follow this line...
__
Clovis
From:

David Booher david.boo...@quest.com

To:

IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu

Date:

09/06/2011 12:25

Subject:

Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

Sent by:

The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu









Yes, I see what you see on my zVM 4.4 system running on my z800 here in 
Chicago, but the z10 in the UK runs zVM in an LPAR and gives the strange 
messages indicated below.

I saw Alan's response, but I'm unsure how to proceed.  I know they are running 
CFs in LPARs on the z10, so I don't think it's a licensing issue... Is it 
just a matter of exposing the CF processors to the zVM LPAR?  Is this a 
requirement for zVM 5.3?

No, the CF inside of zVM on this z10 has never been tried before.  I want to 
get it working so I can test my DB2 version 10 SYSPLEX there, because DB2 won't 
run on my z800 here in Chicago.

My messages are cryptic at best.  I particularly like the one I got back from 
trying to SEND the CF machine as message while it was supposedly loading.

09:40:56 XAUTOLOG CFCC4
09:40:56 COMMAND ACCEPTED
09:40:56 AUTO LOGON  ***   CFCC4USERS = 16BY OPERATOR
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR
CONTROL
LER.
09:43:32 SEND CFCC4 HELP
CFCC4   : HCPPCX6531E THE OPERATING SYSTEM WILL NOT ACCEPT COMMANDS FROM
THE SERVICE PROCESSOR.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR
CONTROLLER DID NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT260E IPL COMMAND PROCESSING CANNOT COMPLETE DUE TO ERRORS.


Dave Booher
Quest Software






Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-14 Thread Mike Walter
David,

Isn't the problem that the virtual CF machines are not responding? 

If that is the case, then I don't understand why the IOCP would be 
involved... it's all virtual.  During initialization following the 
XAUTOLOG, the virtual CF machine is supposed to read the actual CF code 
from the HMC - the same place that the real CFs load their code. 

If you are getting time-outs during virtual CF initialization, perhaps 
there's something happening on the HMC during the XAUTOLOG.  Or maybe a 
problem with the micro-code on the HMC.  How up-to-date is the microcode 
on that z9?  Or as mentioned before some configuration not set 
properly on the HMC (go back to the Running Guest Operating Systems 
manual?)

I'm doing nothing more than what most everyone else is doing... guessing 
from a remote vantage point.  It's a bit like remote viewing in the 
movie Men Who Stare at Goats.  (bahh-ahh)   :-)

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.




David Booher david.boo...@quest.com 

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Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR






Forgive my ignorance, but is this all defined in the IOCP?  Because the 
IOCP is very generic and most of the stuff is SHARED.  I don?t see 
anything in the current IOCP that sets any partition apart from the other. 
 BTW, this is a z9 that?s having trouble: 
 
snip
 IOCONFIG ID=33
 IDMSG2='SYS1.IODF33 - Z9 23JAN08',SYSTEM=(7060,1),*
   TOK=('M3000H30',0081AD0E2094202540630106302F*
   ,,'06-10-29','20:25:40','SYS1','IODF99')
*
  RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(CFE1,9),(CFE2,A),   +
   (PART1,1),(PART2,2),(PART3,3),(PART4,4),+
   (PART5,5),(PART6,6),(PART7,7),(PART8,8)))
/snip
 
 
Dave
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On 
Behalf Of gclo...@br.ibm.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:23 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR
 
David, 
I don't have access to a Z10, so it is only speculation. 
Something to check: 
Are the CF Processors dedicated to CF LPAR? 
The VM LPAR have access to at least one CF processor? 
Is VM LPAR running in Mode VM?
Follow this line... 
__
Clovis 


From: 
David Booher david.boo...@quest.com 
To: 
IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu 
Date: 
09/06/2011 12:25 
Subject: 
Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR 
Sent by: 
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu
 




Yes, I see what you see on my zVM 4.4 system running on my z800 here in 
Chicago, but the z10 in the UK runs zVM in an LPAR and gives the strange 
messages indicated below. 

I saw Alan's response, but I'm unsure how to proceed.  I know they are 
running CFs in LPARs on the z10, so I don't think it's a licensing 
issue... Is it just a matter of exposing the CF processors to the zVM 
LPAR?  Is this a requirement for zVM 5.3? 

No, the CF inside of zVM on this z10 has never been tried before.  I want 
to get it working so I can test my DB2 version 10 SYSPLEX there, because 
DB2 won't run on my z800 here in Chicago. 

My messages are cryptic at best.  I particularly like the one I got back 
from trying to SEND the CF machine as message while it was supposedly 
loading.

09:40:56 XAUTOLOG CFCC4
09:40:56 COMMAND ACCEPTED
09:40:56 AUTO LOGON  ***   CFCC4USERS = 16BY OPERATOR
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROL
LER.
09:43:32 SEND CFCC4 HELP
CFCC4   : HCPPCX6531E THE OPERATING SYSTEM WILL NOT ACCEPT COMMANDS FROM 
THE SERVICE PROCESSOR.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROLLER DID NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT260E IPL COMMAND PROCESSING CANNOT COMPLETE DUE TO ERRORS.


Dave Booher
Quest Software








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Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-14 Thread David Booher
Mike, 

I'm investigating just those points you mentioned.  However, the z9 is in 
England and the remote web-app for the HMC isn't cooperating very well at the 
moment  :( 

I've contacted my guys over there and we'll be checking the microcode updates 
as well as profiles on the HMC to see if there's anything glaring for that 
LPAR. 

I appreciate all the remote viewing because that's exactly what I'm doing 
with a z9 not too far from Stonehenge and I'm here in Chicago :)

Thanks for your help. 

Dave



-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Mike Walter
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:53 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

David,

Isn't the problem that the virtual CF machines are not responding? 

If that is the case, then I don't understand why the IOCP would be 
involved... it's all virtual.  During initialization following the 
XAUTOLOG, the virtual CF machine is supposed to read the actual CF code 
from the HMC - the same place that the real CFs load their code. 

If you are getting time-outs during virtual CF initialization, perhaps 
there's something happening on the HMC during the XAUTOLOG.  Or maybe a 
problem with the micro-code on the HMC.  How up-to-date is the microcode 
on that z9?  Or as mentioned before some configuration not set 
properly on the HMC (go back to the Running Guest Operating Systems 
manual?)

I'm doing nothing more than what most everyone else is doing... guessing 
from a remote vantage point.  It's a bit like remote viewing in the 
movie Men Who Stare at Goats.  (bahh-ahh)   :-)

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.




David Booher david.boo...@quest.com 

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Please respond to
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To
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
cc

Subject
Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR






Forgive my ignorance, but is this all defined in the IOCP?  Because the 
IOCP is very generic and most of the stuff is SHARED.  I don?t see 
anything in the current IOCP that sets any partition apart from the other. 
 BTW, this is a z9 that?s having trouble: 
 
snip
 IOCONFIG ID=33
 IDMSG2='SYS1.IODF33 - Z9 23JAN08',SYSTEM=(7060,1),*
   TOK=('M3000H30',0081AD0E2094202540630106302F*
   ,,'06-10-29','20:25:40','SYS1','IODF99')
*
  RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(CFE1,9),(CFE2,A),   +
   (PART1,1),(PART2,2),(PART3,3),(PART4,4),+
   (PART5,5),(PART6,6),(PART7,7),(PART8,8)))
/snip
 
 
Dave
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On 
Behalf Of gclo...@br.ibm.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:23 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR
 
David, 
I don't have access to a Z10, so it is only speculation. 
Something to check: 
Are the CF Processors dedicated to CF LPAR? 
The VM LPAR have access to at least one CF processor? 
Is VM LPAR running in Mode VM?
Follow this line... 
__
Clovis 


From: 
David Booher david.boo...@quest.com 
To: 
IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu 
Date: 
09/06/2011 12:25 
Subject: 
Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR 
Sent by: 
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu
 




Yes, I see what you see on my zVM 4.4 system running on my z800 here in 
Chicago, but the z10 in the UK runs zVM in an LPAR and gives the strange 
messages indicated below. 

I saw Alan's response, but I'm unsure how to proceed.  I know they are 
running CFs in LPARs on the z10, so I don't think it's a licensing 
issue... Is it just a matter of exposing the CF processors to the zVM 
LPAR?  Is this a requirement for zVM 5.3? 

No, the CF inside of zVM on this z10 has never been tried before.  I want 
to get it working so I can test my DB2 version 10 SYSPLEX there, because 
DB2 won't run on my z800 here in Chicago. 

My messages are cryptic at best.  I particularly like the one I got back 
from trying to SEND the CF machine as message while it was supposedly 
loading.

09:40:56 XAUTOLOG CFCC4
09:40:56 COMMAND ACCEPTED
09:40:56 AUTO LOGON  ***   CFCC4USERS = 16BY OPERATOR
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROL
LER.
09:43:32 SEND CFCC4 HELP
CFCC4   : HCPPCX6531E THE OPERATING SYSTEM WILL NOT ACCEPT COMMANDS FROM 
THE SERVICE PROCESSOR.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROLLER DID NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT260E IPL COMMAND PROCESSING CANNOT COMPLETE DUE TO ERRORS.


Dave Booher
Quest Software








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Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-09 Thread David Booher
Am I understanding correctly that the CFUSER virtual machines that you can run 
when z/VM is running natively and now be run in zVM when running in an LPAR?  
This was added in zVM 5.4?





Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-09 Thread Mike Walter
We've been running CFUSER virtual machines (albeit with different userids) 
in an LPAR since at least z/VM 4.3, perhaps even earlier.

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
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Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-09 Thread David Booher
Hmmm...then I wonder what this is all about.  I'd really like to get this 
working:

09:40:56 XAUTOLOG CFCC4
09:40:56 COMMAND ACCEPTED
09:40:56 AUTO LOGON  ***   CFCC4USERS = 16BY OPERATOR
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR CONTROL
LER.
09:43:32 SEND CFCC4 HELP
CFCC4   : HCPPCX6531E THE OPERATING SYSTEM WILL NOT ACCEPT COMMANDS FROM THE SER
VICE PROCESSOR.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR CONTROLLER DI
D NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT260E IPL COMMAND PROCESSING CANNOT COMPLETE DUE TO ERRORS.



Dave Booher
Quest Software


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Subject: Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR


We've been running CFUSER virtual machines (albeit with different userids) in 
an LPAR since at least z/VM 4.3, perhaps even earlier.

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation

y e-mail.


Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 06/09/2011 at 10:12 EDT, David Booher 
david.boo...@quest.com wrote:
 Am I understanding correctly that the CFUSER virtual machines that you 
can run 
 when z/VM is running natively and now be run in zVM when running in an 
LPAR? 
 This was added in zVM 5.4? 

There has never been a restriction on using virtual coupling in an LPAR. 
The only thing that is required is that the machine be licensed for 
Coupling Facility, which, IIRC, is demonstrated by the presence of at 
least one coupling link on the box.  (But that may have changed over the 
years)  If the machine is not licensed for CF, then virtual CF cannot 
be used.

What IS relatively new is that if you are running in a z/VM mode LPAR, 
then you can have real CF engines in the z/VM LPAR and virtual CFs will be 
dispatched on real CFs.

Alan Altmark

z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
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Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-09 Thread David Booher
Yes, I see what you see on my zVM 4.4 system running on my z800 here in 
Chicago, but the z10 in the UK runs zVM in an LPAR and gives the strange 
messages indicated below. 

I saw Alan's response, but I'm unsure how to proceed.  I know they are running 
CFs in LPARs on the z10, so I don't think it's a licensing issue... Is it 
just a matter of exposing the CF processors to the zVM LPAR?  Is this a 
requirement for zVM 5.3? 

No, the CF inside of zVM on this z10 has never been tried before.  I want to 
get it working so I can test my DB2 version 10 SYSPLEX there, because DB2 won't 
run on my z800 here in Chicago. 

My messages are cryptic at best.  I particularly like the one I got back from 
trying to SEND the CF machine as message while it was supposedly loading.

09:40:56 XAUTOLOG CFCC4
09:40:56 COMMAND ACCEPTED
09:40:56 AUTO LOGON  ***   CFCC4USERS = 16BY OPERATOR
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2816I LOADING MESSAGE PROCESSOR CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROL
LER.
09:43:32 SEND CFCC4 HELP
CFCC4   : HCPPCX6531E THE OPERATING SYSTEM WILL NOT ACCEPT COMMANDS FROM 
THE SERVICE PROCESSOR.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROLLER DID NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.
CFCC4   : HCPMFT260E IPL COMMAND PROCESSING CANNOT COMPLETE DUE TO ERRORS.

 
Dave Booher
Quest Software
 
 


Re: Question regarding zVM and CF when running in a LPAR

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 06/09/2011 at 11:14 EDT, Mike Walter 
mike.wal...@aonhewitt.com wrote:

 I'm not sure if this will be of any help, but here are the CF-related
 console messages extracted from our most recent IPL of a z/VM 5.4 system
 running in an LPAR on a z10:

You can find sample output and other information on the virtual Coupling 
Facility in the Running Guest Operating Systems book.

The relevant error in this case is
 CFCC4   : HCPMFT2814E THE REQUEST TO LOAD CFCC4 FROM THE PROCESSOR 
CONTROLLER
 DID NOT COMPLETE IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.

HELP HCP2814E tells you to try again, but that if it fails repeatedly to 
open a PMR.

SEND won't work until the CF is loaded and ready.

z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
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