Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
Hey that is right. I forgot all about VMMAGIC. We use to emulate 3330's on 3380 devices for some old DBOMP stuff. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Stanley Rarick Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:26 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question There is a pure software solution available, not free, but I don't know what the licensing costs are. To quote the vendor: "VM Magic, a system software extension to the IBM Virtual Machine (VM) facility, gives the VM user the capability of simulating any supported disk device. Compatibility problems between different disk types or technologies and software are, therefore, eliminated." (emphasis mine) http://sdisw.com/vm/vmmagic.htm KEETON Dave * SDC wrote: Hello Listers, I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to define TDSK as 3380, but that fails. Thanks in advance, Dave Keeton
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
There is a pure software solution available, not free, but I don't know what the licensing costs are. To quote the vendor: "VM Magic, a system software extension to the IBM Virtual Machine (VM) facility, gives the VM user the capability of simulating any supported disk device. Compatibility problems between different disk types or technologies and software are, therefore, eliminated." (emphasis mine) http://sdisw.com/vm/vmmagic.htm KEETON Dave * SDC wrote: Hello Listers, I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to define TDSK as 3380, but that fails. Thanks in advance, Dave Keeton
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
If it's a CMS application ... you could use something like FCOPY or VMARC -- pack up the disks into one file per minidisk (APP1 DISK0191) -- then copy those to tape, file by file -- unburst them on the other side to properly sized 3390 minidisks (format them first). Some simple automation would help.. Not as straightforward as DDR, but it would work... (unless the app uses CMS RESERVE disks) Scott On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:19 PM, KEETON Dave * SDC wrote: > I'm excited at the number of responses to my question! I'm going to > throw out some more details since some folks are interested in know more > about what exactly we're attempting to do. > > We are attempting to move a customer from a Multiprise 2000 running VM > 3.1 and their custom CMS-based application to a z10 running z/VM 5.4. > The customer has 40+ 3380 volumes. Our hope was to take their DDR full > backup and restore it to a Second-Level instance of z/VM. > > I have talked with the storage group and asked them if they can provide > me with 'emulated' 3380 drives. I'm still waiting to hear back from them > on that. > > Thanks everyone, I appreciate your responses. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On > Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:19 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question > > These didn't happen to be 3380 TCM on 3390s? > > Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. > Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE & RHCE > American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 > 1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax: (254)741-5777 > Waco, Texas 76710 > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On > Behalf Of August Carideo > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question > > that is not true > I have cut from 3380 too 3390 mod 3's w/o a problem some one else stated > it will work going to larger devices > > > > > > Fran Hensler > > > > Sent by: The IBM > To > z/VM OperatingIBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > System > cc > > ARK.EDU> > Subject > Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question > > > > 12/16/2009 07:28 > > AM > > > > > > Please respond to > > The IBM z/VM > > Operating System > > > ARK.EDU> > > > > > > > > > > Dave - > > DDR only works on like devices so a 3380 dump must be restored to 3380 > devices. > > What is the actual hardware you want to restore to? Maybe it will allow > you to emulate 3380 DASD. > > /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46 > years >mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu > http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh<http://zvm.sru.edu/%7Efjh> +1.724.738.2153 > "Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock" > > -- > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:16:18 -0800 KEETON Dave * SDC said: > >Hello Listers, > > > >I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking > >for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to > >define TDSK as 3380, but that fails. > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Dave Keeton > > > > > >Received: from *unknown [130.184.5.241] by ZVM.SRU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP > Level > 3A0) > > via TCP with ESMTP ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:17:00 EST > >X-Warning: ZVM.SRU.EDU: Host *unknown claimed to be listserv.uark.edu > > _ > > This message contains information which is privileged and confidential > and is solely for the use of the > > intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that > any review, disclosure, > > copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is > strictly prohibited. If you have > > received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at > privacy...@ailife.com. >
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
We migrated from a Multiprise 2000 running z/VM 3.1 to a z/9 BC by first
migrating from the internal DASD to a temporary external DASD unit
provided by our storage vendor that both machines could access. We then
cutover to z/VM 5.3 running on the z/9 (no big deal), then migrated from
the temporary DASD to our permanent home.
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Behalf Of KEETON Dave * SDC
Sent: December 16, 2009 16:19
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
I'm excited at the number of responses to my question! I'm going to
throw out some more details since some folks are interested in know more
about what exactly we're attempting to do.
We are attempting to move a customer from a Multiprise 2000 running VM
3.1 and their custom CMS-based application to a z10 running z/VM 5.4.
The customer has 40+ 3380 volumes. Our hope was to take their DDR full
backup and restore it to a Second-Level instance of z/VM.
I have talked with the storage group and asked them if they can provide
me with 'emulated' 3380 drives. I'm still waiting to hear back from them
on that.
Thanks everyone, I appreciate your responses.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:19 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
These didn't happen to be 3380 TCM on 3390s?
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE & RHCE
American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649
1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax: (254)741-5777
Waco, Texas 76710
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of August Carideo
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
that is not true
I have cut from 3380 too 3390 mod 3's w/o a problem some one else stated
it will work going to larger devices
Fran Hensler
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System
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Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
12/16/2009 07:28
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Please respond to
The IBM z/VM
Operating System
Dave -
DDR only works on like devices so a 3380 dump must be restored to 3380
devices.
What is the actual hardware you want to restore to? Maybe it will allow
you to emulate 3380 DASD.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46
years
mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:16:18 -0800 KEETON Dave * SDC said:
>Hello Listers,
>
>I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking
>for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to
>define TDSK as 3380, but that fails.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave Keeton
>
>
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Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
I'm excited at the number of responses to my question! I'm going to
throw out some more details since some folks are interested in know more
about what exactly we're attempting to do.
We are attempting to move a customer from a Multiprise 2000 running VM
3.1 and their custom CMS-based application to a z10 running z/VM 5.4.
The customer has 40+ 3380 volumes. Our hope was to take their DDR full
backup and restore it to a Second-Level instance of z/VM.
I have talked with the storage group and asked them if they can provide
me with 'emulated' 3380 drives. I'm still waiting to hear back from them
on that.
Thanks everyone, I appreciate your responses.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:19 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
These didn't happen to be 3380 TCM on 3390s?
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE & RHCE
American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649
1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax: (254)741-5777
Waco, Texas 76710
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of August Carideo
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
that is not true
I have cut from 3380 too 3390 mod 3's w/o a problem some one else stated
it will work going to larger devices
Fran Hensler
Sent by: The IBM
To
z/VM OperatingIBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
System
cc
Subject
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
12/16/2009 07:28
AM
Please respond to
The IBM z/VM
Operating System
Dave -
DDR only works on like devices so a 3380 dump must be restored to 3380
devices.
What is the actual hardware you want to restore to? Maybe it will allow
you to emulate 3380 DASD.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46
years
mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
--
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:16:18 -0800 KEETON Dave * SDC said:
>Hello Listers,
>
>I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking
>for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to
>define TDSK as 3380, but that fails.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave Keeton
>
>
>Received: from *unknown [130.184.5.241] by ZVM.SRU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP
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> via TCP with ESMTP ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:17:00 EST
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Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
These didn't happen to be 3380 TCM on 3390s?
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE & RHCE
American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649
1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax: (254)741-5777
Waco, Texas 76710
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of August Carideo
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
that is not true
I have cut from 3380 too 3390 mod 3's w/o a problem
some one else stated it will work going to larger devices
Fran Hensler
Sent by: The IBM
To
z/VM OperatingIBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
System
cc
Subject
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
12/16/2009 07:28
AM
Please respond to
The IBM z/VM
Operating System
Dave -
DDR only works on like devices so a 3380 dump must be restored to
3380 devices.
What is the actual hardware you want to restore to? Maybe it will
allow you to emulate 3380 DASD.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46
years
mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:16:18 -0800 KEETON Dave * SDC said:
>Hello Listers,
>
>I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking
>for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to
>define TDSK as 3380, but that fails.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave Keeton
>
>
>Received: from *unknown [130.184.5.241] by ZVM.SRU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP
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Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
sorry, just read this closer, you want to DDR full volume Fran Hensler Sent by: The IBM To z/VM OperatingIBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU System cc Subject Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question 12/16/2009 07:28 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System Dave - DDR only works on like devices so a 3380 dump must be restored to 3380 devices. What is the actual hardware you want to restore to? Maybe it will allow you to emulate 3380 DASD. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46 years mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153 "Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock" -- On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:16:18 -0800 KEETON Dave * SDC said: >Hello Listers, > >I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking >for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to >define TDSK as 3380, but that fails. > >Thanks in advance, > >Dave Keeton > > >Received: from *unknown [130.184.5.241] by ZVM.SRU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP Level 3A0) > via TCP with ESMTP ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:17:00 EST >X-Warning: ZVM.SRU.EDU: Host *unknown claimed to be listserv.uark.edu
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
that is not true
I have cut from 3380 too 3390 mod 3's w/o a problem
some one else stated it will work going to larger devices
Fran Hensler
Sent by: The IBM To
z/VM OperatingIBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
System cc
Subject
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
12/16/2009 07:28
AM
Please respond to
The IBM z/VM
Operating System
Dave -
DDR only works on like devices so a 3380 dump must be restored to
3380 devices.
What is the actual hardware you want to restore to? Maybe it will
allow you to emulate 3380 DASD.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46 years
mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
--
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:16:18 -0800 KEETON Dave * SDC said:
>Hello Listers,
>
>I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking
>for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to
>define TDSK as 3380, but that fails.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave Keeton
>
>
>Received: from *unknown [130.184.5.241] by ZVM.SRU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP Level
3A0)
> via TCP with ESMTP ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:17:00 EST
>X-Warning: ZVM.SRU.EDU: Host *unknown claimed to be listserv.uark.edu
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
Dave - DDR only works on like devices so a 3380 dump must be restored to 3380 devices. What is the actual hardware you want to restore to? Maybe it will allow you to emulate 3380 DASD. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 46 years mailto:f...@zvm.sru.edu http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153 "Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock" -- On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:16:18 -0800 KEETON Dave * SDC said: >Hello Listers, > >I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking >for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to >define TDSK as 3380, but that fails. > >Thanks in advance, > >Dave Keeton > > >Received: from *unknown [130.184.5.241] by ZVM.SRU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP Level 3A0) > via TCP with ESMTP ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:17:00 EST >X-Warning: ZVM.SRU.EDU: Host *unknown claimed to be listserv.uark.edu
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
DITTO has a function to extract *CMS files* from a DDR tape. This way you
can obviously read a 3380 DDR and write the CMS files to for example 3390s.
I never tried it but the online help I just consulted for re-verification
seems it is just perfect. But, not surprisingly: if you have a fullapck
DDR, you need to know the start cylinder of the minidisk to extract the CMS
files from ("* *" is allowed for file selection).
2009/12/16 Ivica Brodaric
> You may take one of your physical 3390 DASD and try to convert it to 3380
> track compatibility mode if this function is supported by your DASD vendor.
>
> To do this, attach a DASD to yourself, run ICKDSF's command INSTALL
> UNIT(vaddr) SETMODE(3380), detach the disk and vary it off and back on.
>
> On modern DASD systems INSTALL is usually done by the vendor, so check with
> them first.
>
> Ivica
>
--
Kris Buelens,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
You may take one of your physical 3390 DASD and try to convert it to 3380 track compatibility mode if this function is supported by your DASD vendor. To do this, attach a DASD to yourself, run ICKDSF's command INSTALL UNIT(vaddr) SETMODE(3380), detach the disk and vary it off and back on. On modern DASD systems INSTALL is usually done by the vendor, so check with them first. Ivica
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
Thanks for the reply and helpful information, Tom. I'll engage our Storage Group and see if they can create the 3380 storage you mention. Thanks, Dave From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Rae Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:09 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question No can do. As the RESTORE section of HELP DDR states: "Data can be restored only to a DASD volume of the same or equivalent device type from which it was dumped." 3380's and 3390's are not the same device type, even if they are being emulated within the same disk array. As for the TDISK definition, the device type there indicates the type of DASD on which you want the temporary disk space to be allocated. If you do not have TDISK space defined on 3380's you cannot allocate 3380 TDISKs. If there is spare capacity in a disk array that is accessible from your VM system and that array supports 3380 emulation, try talking your storage admins into defining sufficient 3380 DASD. DDR RESTORE the tapes onto the 3380's, copy files over to 3390's, then tell the storage admins that they can have the 3380 space back. Good luck! Tom On 2009-12-15 3:16 PM, KEETON Dave * SDC wrote: Hello Listers, I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to define TDSK as 3380, but that fails. Thanks in advance, Dave Keeton
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
Title: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question No can do. As the RESTORE section of HELP DDR states: "Data can be restored only to a DASD volume of the same or equivalent device type from which it was dumped." 3380's and 3390's are not the same device type, even if they are being emulated within the same disk array. As for the TDISK definition, the device type there indicates the type of DASD on which you want the temporary disk space to be allocated. If you do not have TDISK space defined on 3380's you cannot allocate 3380 TDISKs. If there is spare capacity in a disk array that is accessible from your VM system and that array supports 3380 emulation, try talking your storage admins into defining sufficient 3380 DASD. DDR RESTORE the tapes onto the 3380's, copy files over to 3390's, then tell the storage admins that they can have the 3380 space back. Good luck! Tom On 2009-12-15 3:16 PM, KEETON Dave * SDC wrote: Hello Listers, I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to define TDSK as 3380, but that fails. Thanks in advance, Dave Keeton
Re: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question
IIRC you can restore to *LARGER* volumes without issue, but not the other way. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]on Behalf Of KEETON Dave * SDC Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:16 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: 3380 DDR to 3390 Question Hello Listers, I've been given some DDR tapes of 3380 volumes and I'm looking for a way to restore them to 3390. Is this possible? I've tried to define TDSK as 3380, but that fails. Thanks in advance, Dave Keeton
