Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster.....
> The B2H package seems to do a fair job converting a Bookie source to > HTML. I have never used it myself. For new development I am seriously > looking at generating SGML and run DocBook on Linux to render the > document (it does HTML pages, PDF, etc). I've starting things in a PC > editor a few times, but find it so tedious that it takes away the > motivation to finish the document. I'd pay money for a Bookie to DocBook translation tool. DocBook is insane.
Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster.....
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Ian S. Worthington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried DocBook. In the end I just gave up and went back to Word. The learning curve is a bit steep. I am using it now for text that is being generated out of data on VM, and it is not harder to generate SGML than for example HTML or DCF input. To me the value of using SCRIPT SGML was that you don't spend too much time on the formatting aspects, but primarily on the content. Things like a proper ToC were trivial with that, but are way beyond my MS Word skills it seems. I don't think I fancy writing docbook XML in Xedit as-is, but I do have some plumbing that takes "text with a bit of markup" (similar to what some wiki's use) and that could generate SGML rather than HTML as I do now... Especially if you have an open interface that allows for portions of pure XML when you know what you want, it can actually work. -Rob
Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster.....
I tried DocBook. In the end I just gave up and went back to Word. i -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 02:21:01 PM BST From: Rob van der Heij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster. > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Alan Ackerman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Now, of course, I need to track down all the people that still have Script files that use BookMaster > > in them. How the heck do I do that? > > My conversion was easier. Late 1999, senior mgmt could not get someone > to confirm the font libraries were Y2K ready. As the directive was to > remove all software that was not Y2K-ready, we lost most of the AFP > fonts. And so my documents did not format anymore (I should never have > used specific font names, but hey... ) After hacking the font names I > could format, but it did not look as before. Important things are > still in PDF from the old days. > > The B2H package seems to do a fair job converting a Bookie source to > HTML. I have never used it myself. For new development I am seriously > looking at generating SGML and run DocBook on Linux to render the > document (it does HTML pages, PDF, etc). I've starting things in a PC > editor a few times, but find it so tedious that it takes away the > motivation to finish the document. > > Rob >
Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster.....
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Alan Ackerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now, of course, I need to track down all the people that still have Script > files that use BookMaster > in them. How the heck do I do that? My conversion was easier. Late 1999, senior mgmt could not get someone to confirm the font libraries were Y2K ready. As the directive was to remove all software that was not Y2K-ready, we lost most of the AFP fonts. And so my documents did not format anymore (I should never have used specific font names, but hey... ) After hacking the font names I could format, but it did not look as before. Important things are still in PDF from the old days. The B2H package seems to do a fair job converting a Bookie source to HTML. I have never used it myself. For new development I am seriously looking at generating SGML and run DocBook on Linux to render the document (it does HTML pages, PDF, etc). I've starting things in a PC editor a few times, but find it so tedious that it takes away the motivation to finish the document. Rob
Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster.....
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 01:17:00 -0400, Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wednesday, 08/06/2008 at 08:13 EDT, Roger Bolan/US/InfoPrint/[EMAIL >PROTECTED] S >wrote: >> I'm afraid there's more. See >> >http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=ca&infot ype=an&appname >> =iSource&supplier=897&letternum=ENUS908-180 >> >> It says there is no replacement product, and service will be >discontinued >> too. The document above lists BookMaster under the section for >> Service withdrawal date: September 30, 2009 > >Nonetheless, w/d from service doesn't mean you can't use it. As long as >you keep paying the MLC, you have a license to use to the software. > >Alan Altmark >z/VM Development >IBM Endicott > = == == Except, of course, our management may well insist on removing it. I don' t remember any PTFs in a long time, so I don't see any risk in keeping it -- but I admit it is a bit of a rip off paying for service and not getting any. Now, of course, I need to track down all the people that still have Scrip t files that use BookMaster in them. How the heck do I do that? Maybe I should open an incident against BookMaster? Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com
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On Wednesday, 08/06/2008 at 08:13 EDT, Roger Bolan/US/InfoPrint/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm afraid there's more. See > http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=ca&infotype=an&appname > =iSource&supplier=897&letternum=ENUS908-180 > > It says there is no replacement product, and service will be discontinued > too. The document above lists BookMaster under the section for > Service withdrawal date: September 30, 2009 Nonetheless, w/d from service doesn't mean you can't use it. As long as you keep paying the MLC, you have a license to use to the software. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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I'm afraid there's more. See http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=ca&infotype=an&appname=iSource&supplier=897&letternum=ENUS908-180 It says there is no replacement product, and service will be discontinued too. The document above lists BookMaster under the section for Service withdrawal date: September 30, 2009 I would like to point out that BookMaster was a separate application running on top of DCF (Document Composition Facility, a.k.a. "Script") and DCF continues to be marketed and supported. It also contains its own "Starter Set" of GML tags, which are similar to BookMaster, but limited to more basic document functions. I would also like to suggest strongly that if you have existing documents that were produced by BookMaster that you make sure that you hang onto any fonts you got from BookMaster so that you can continue to print those documents saved as AFP files. Roger Bolan The IBM z/VM Operating System wrote on 08/05/2008 02:22:56 PM: > On Tuesday, 08/05/2008 at 03:22 EDT, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Buried in all of the good news today about z/VM 5.4, z/OS, etc, is this > sad > > note: > > > > Software withdrawal: IBM Publishing Systems BookMaster 1.4.0, IBM > Publishing > > Systems > > ProcessMaster VM Edition 1.3.0, and IBM Publishing Systems ProcessMaster > MVS > > Edition 1.1.0 > > > > Wonder if we could ask the current product owners to put these tools up > on the > > VM download web page, for use as is, where is? I would rely like to be > able to use > > ProcessMaster here as well. > > Withdrawal from marketing just means you can't order it any more. You can > keep using it as long as you keep paying, and you continue to be entitled > to service. If we subsequently withdraw it from service, then you can > still keep using it as long as you keep paying for it. Pay. Use. Repeat > ad infinitum. See the pattern? ;-) > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott
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On Tuesday, 08/05/2008 at 03:22 EDT, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Buried in all of the good news today about z/VM 5.4, z/OS, etc, is this sad > note: > > Software withdrawal: IBM Publishing Systems BookMaster 1.4.0, IBM Publishing > Systems > ProcessMaster VM Edition 1.3.0, and IBM Publishing Systems ProcessMaster MVS > Edition 1.1.0 > Wonder if we could ask the current product owners to put these tools up on the > VM download web page, for use as is, where is? I would rely like to be able to use > ProcessMaster here as well. Withdrawal from marketing just means you can't order it any more. You can keep using it as long as you keep paying, and you continue to be entitled to service. If we subsequently withdraw it from service, then you can still keep using it as long as you keep paying for it. Pay. Use. Repeat ad infinitum. See the pattern? ;-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster.....
> We still use BookMaster 1.4 here to build documents we distribute to > clients and such. I > think it's about the best way ever for doing computer related > documentation of most kinds. Me too. Doc tools written by people who actually have to *use* them. Best system I've seen. > Wonder if we could ask the current product owners to put these tools up on > the VM download > web page, for use as is, where is? I would rely like to be able to use > ProcessMaster here > as well. Second the motion. Anyone know who the current product owner is? It'd be a good place to start begging.
Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster.....
> -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:19 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: R.I.P -- BookMaster. > > Buried in all of the good news today about z/VM 5.4, z/OS, > etc, is this sad note: > > Software withdrawal: IBM Publishing Systems BookMaster 1.4.0, > IBM Publishing Systems > ProcessMaster VM Edition 1.3.0, and IBM Publishing Systems > ProcessMaster MVS Edition 1.1.0 > ( > http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/index.wss?DocURL=http://www-0 > 1.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/897/ENUS908-152/index.html&InfoT > ype=AN&InfoSubType=CA&InfoDesc=Announcement+Letters&panelurl=i > ndex.wss%3F&paneltext=Announcement%20letter%20search) > > We still use BookMaster 1.4 here to build documents we > distribute to clients and such. I > think it's about the best way ever for doing computer related > documentation of most kinds. > > Wonder if we could ask the current product owners to put > these tools up on the VM download > web page, for use as is, where is? I would rely like to be > able to use ProcessMaster here > as well. > > -- > DJ Would be nice. Not likely as IBM probably has a "replacement" product and doesn't want to undercut sales of that. That is the exact reason that I am a lover of "Open Source". -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it.
Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster.....
Seconded. The script base is ugly but there's nothing I've ever used as good at BookMaster. It would be wonderful if it could be saved and made free for all. i -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:19:36 PM BST From: Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: R.I.P -- BookMaster. > Buried in all of the good news today about z/VM 5.4, z/OS, etc, is this sad note: > > Software withdrawal: IBM Publishing Systems BookMaster 1.4.0, IBM Publishing Systems > ProcessMaster VM Edition 1.3.0, and IBM Publishing Systems ProcessMaster MVS Edition 1.1.0 > ( > http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/index.wss?DocURL=http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/897/ENUS908-152/index.html&InfoType=AN&InfoSubType=CA&InfoDesc=Announcement+Letters&panelurl=index.wss%3F&paneltext=Announcement%20letter%20search) > > We still use BookMaster 1.4 here to build documents we distribute to clients and such. I > think it's about the best way ever for doing computer related documentation of most kinds. > > Wonder if we could ask the current product owners to put these tools up on the VM download > web page, for use as is, where is? I would rely like to be able to use ProcessMaster here > as well. > > -- > DJ > > V/Soft >z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, >consulting, and software development > www.vsoft-software.com >
