Re: RECEIVE question
--- Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday, 01/22/2008 at 05:36 EST, Dave Wade > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Its been a while since I looked at this code but > from > > what I remember RECEIVE calls DMSDDL for files in > > NETDATA format... > > Wow. It has been a while! 20 years to be exact > :-) > > In VM/SP Release 6, the internal DMSDDL utility was > externalized as the > NETDATA command. > AhAh I thought I also remembered a NETDATA command, but I see that DMSDDL is still shipped > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: RECEIVE question
That was indeed the case the first 10 years; since a merger a 3'th letter was appended ;-( I often remember one of my first meetings with the account team (4SE & 3 SR) where there was a long list of tasks with the initials of the responsible for the task and I saw my initials on more than half of those tasks, with lots of MVS stuff. It took me quite a while before I found back a good mood ... when realized these two letters weren't sharp arrows pointing towards me. 2008/1/23, Rob van der Heij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Jan 23, 2008 8:33 AM, Kris Buelens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 20 years, that's also the number of years I'm supporting my current > > customer; they were new to VM and started with VM/SP Rel 6 on a 9370. > > My IBM life with this customer is now exactly double of my IBM life > > preceeding it. > > And you're likely the only one where customer is so happy that they > put initials of their VM support person on the building. ;-) > > Rob -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: RECEIVE question
On Jan 23, 2008 8:33 AM, Kris Buelens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 20 years, that's also the number of years I'm supporting my current > customer; they were new to VM and started with VM/SP Rel 6 on a 9370. > My IBM life with this customer is now exactly double of my IBM life > preceeding it. And you're likely the only one where customer is so happy that they put initials of their VM support person on the building. ;-) Rob
Re: RECEIVE question
20 years, that's also the number of years I'm supporting my current customer; they were new to VM and started with VM/SP Rel 6 on a 9370. My IBM life with this customer is now exactly double of my IBM life preceeding it. 2008/1/23, Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tuesday, 01/22/2008 at 05:36 EST, Dave Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Its been a while since I looked at this code but from > > what I remember RECEIVE calls DMSDDL for files in > > NETDATA format... > > Wow. It has been a while! 20 years to be exact :-) > > In VM/SP Release 6, the internal DMSDDL utility was externalized as the > NETDATA command. > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott > -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: RECEIVE question
On Tuesday, 01/22/2008 at 05:36 EST, Dave Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its been a while since I looked at this code but from > what I remember RECEIVE calls DMSDDL for files in > NETDATA format... Wow. It has been a while! 20 years to be exact :-) In VM/SP Release 6, the internal DMSDDL utility was externalized as the NETDATA command. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: RECEIVE question
Seems like you have missed an important piece in the answer to this problem: Alan suggested that FTP's default was recfm "V" and that I needed to issue a SITE FIXRECFM command. That fixed the problem. David Wakser -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: RECEIVE question Undoubtedly the Pipelines "deblock netdata" stage does something like that. Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Wade > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:35 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: RECEIVE question > > --- "Huegel, Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just off the top of my head, you might want to look at pipe stages > > READER or UR .. I think that might work .. or look at > READCARD which > > is what RECEIVE > > Its been a while since I looked at this code but from what I remember > RECEIVE calls DMSDDL for files in NETDATA format... > > > > > calls .. . > > > > -Original Message- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Wakser, David > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:39 AM > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Subject: RECEIVE question > > > > > > All: > > > > I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a > lot of files > > onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record > format "V" - > > and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the RECEIVE > > command itself. Is there any way around this? > > > > David Wakser > > InfoCrossing > > > > > > > __ > __ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >
Re: RECEIVE question
Undoubtedly the Pipelines "deblock netdata" stage does something like that. Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Wade > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:35 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: RECEIVE question > > --- "Huegel, Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just off the top of my head, you might want to look at pipe stages > > READER or UR .. I think that might work .. or look at > READCARD which > > is what RECEIVE > > Its been a while since I looked at this code but from what I > remember RECEIVE calls DMSDDL for files in NETDATA format... > > > > > calls .. . > > > > -Original Message- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Wakser, David > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:39 AM > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Subject: RECEIVE question > > > > > > All: > > > > I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a > lot of files > > onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record > format "V" - > > and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the RECEIVE > > command itself. Is there any way around this? > > > > David Wakser > > InfoCrossing > > > > > > > __ > __ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >
Re: RECEIVE question
--- "Huegel, Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just off the top of my head, you might want to look > at pipe stages READER or > UR .. I think that might work .. or look at READCARD > which is what RECEIVE Its been a while since I looked at this code but from what I remember RECEIVE calls DMSDDL for files in NETDATA format... > calls .. . > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Wakser, David > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:39 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: RECEIVE question > > > All: > > I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to > receive a lot of > files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up > as record format > "V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options > for this on the > RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around > this? > > David Wakser > InfoCrossing > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: RECEIVE question
> That is not an option (or, better put, not an option that is > easy to implement), since the VM/CMS users are not on the same VM as the > VSEs from which we are punching the members. Yes, I know that I could > set up RSCS and, with VM/VTAM, I could accomplish this. Use the TCPNJE support in PNET and RSCS. No VTAM needed, quick and easy to set up. If you use host names rather than IP addresses in the configuration and set up RSCSDNS, then you should be able to move systems around at will (assuming the DNS name still resolves, and you don't have to hork around with firewalls)
Re: RECEIVE question
If you are going to go to that trouble, why not replace the RECEIVE with a pipe? I created a RDRDBLK stage long ago to detect and handle various forms of input (Netdata, print, punch) as input. Coupled with whatever output stages you need, you can do almost anything, even pack the files, all with a single write. Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:44 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: RECEIVE question > > On Tuesday, 01/22/2008 at 11:35 EST, Fran Hensler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the > > opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 > they are > > always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10 > > bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space. > > (poof) > > RECEIVE with the KEEPCC option will create a V-format file > with carriage control intact (a la DEPRINT). If you don't > like the CC character, you can post-process with a PIPE or > COPYFILE to remove it. > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott >
Re: RECEIVE question
Yea, like DEPRINT or RECEIVE (KEEP CC .. It's just that having the source
gives you options.. For example maybe you had a need to combine several
files from the reader and print them without using any disk space, or do
something else with spool files, I don't know, whatever comes up. Like I
said, just an option.
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:59 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
Thomas:
Was that similar to DEPRINT? If so, the RECEIVE KEEPCC option allows the
same capability. Also, these are ICCF members that are punched to the POWER
PUNCH queue, so there is no CC character involved.
David Wakser
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:55 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
Using the site command is probably best for you right now..
Here is a quick description of READPRT it may be of interest because the
source is available so you can change it to do anything you like.
* MODULE NAME : READPRT *
* *
* FUNCTION : READ THE FIRST PRINTER FILE FOUND IN THE VIRTUAL CARD*
*READER, WRITE IT TO A CMS DISK UNDER THE SPECIFIED FILE *
*NAME AND FILETYPE, RECREATING THE ASA CARRIAGE CONTROL *
*AS THE FIRST CHARACTER IN EACH LOGICAL RECORD. *
It's only about 200 instructions .
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:40 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
What do your programs do? Alan answered that, by default, VM's FTP set the
files to "V". I added a SITE command, and it fixed the problem.
David Wakser
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:26 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
Or if you are adventuress I have two programs you can have. 1) READPRT I
think this is an old program that was available for download. I have the
source. 2) READLIST I only have the module, don't know where it came from,
there is no doc, there doesn't appear to be any copyright notes in the
module. It works.
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:54 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a VSE POWER queue.
David Wakser
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Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:46 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
IIRC, SENDFILE (or TRANSMIT {synonym = XMIT} on TSO) sends files in NETDATA
format (making everything F 80 and including lots of control information).
When you RECEIVE a file sent in NETDATA (by SENDFILE or XMIT) format, the
file attributes are built to match what was sent. That's is likely what
Dave is seeing, assuming that the system sending the files to his reader is
using SENDFILE.
Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily
represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates.
"Fran Hensler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the
opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they are
always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10
bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said:
>All:
>
> I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a
lot of
>files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format
>"V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the
>RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around this?
>
>David Wakser
>InfoCrossing
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Re: RECEIVE question
On Tuesday, 01/22/2008 at 12:55 EST, "Huegel, Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Using the site command is probably best for you right now.. > Here is a quick description of READPRT it may be of interest because the > source is available so you can change it to do anything you like. But why? CMS has the support built into RECEIVE as well as the DEPRINT command. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: RECEIVE question
Thomas:
Was that similar to DEPRINT? If so, the RECEIVE KEEPCC option allows
the same capability. Also, these are ICCF members that are punched to
the POWER PUNCH queue, so there is no CC character involved.
David Wakser
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:55 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
Using the site command is probably best for you right now..
Here is a quick description of READPRT it may be of interest because the
source is available so you can change it to do anything you like.
* MODULE NAME : READPRT *
* *
* FUNCTION : READ THE FIRST PRINTER FILE FOUND IN THE VIRTUAL CARD*
*READER, WRITE IT TO A CMS DISK UNDER THE SPECIFIED FILE *
*NAME AND FILETYPE, RECREATING THE ASA CARRIAGE CONTROL *
*AS THE FIRST CHARACTER IN EACH LOGICAL RECORD.
*
It's only about 200 instructions .
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wakser, David
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:40 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
What do your programs do? Alan answered that, by default, VM's
FTP set the files to "V". I added a SITE command, and it fixed the
problem.
David Wakser
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:26 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
Or if you are adventuress I have two programs you can have. 1)
READPRT I think this is an old program that was available for download.
I have the source. 2) READLIST I only have the module, don't know where
it came from, there is no doc, there doesn't appear to be any copyright
notes in the module. It works.
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wakser, David
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:54 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a
VSE POWER queue.
David Wakser
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:46 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
IIRC, SENDFILE (or TRANSMIT {synonym = XMIT} on TSO)
sends files in NETDATA format (making everything F 80 and including lots
of control information).
When you RECEIVE a file sent in NETDATA (by SENDFILE or
XMIT) format, the file attributes are built to match what was sent.
That's is likely what Dave is seeing, assuming that the system sending
the files to his reader is using SENDFILE.
Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not
necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates.
"Fran Hensler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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That's funny David because I have often wished for
exactly the
opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual
3800 they are
always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print
line is 10
bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot
of space.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of
Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said:
>All:
>
> I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an
EXEC to receive a lot of
>files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as
record format
>"V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no o
Re: RECEIVE question
Using the site command is probably best for you right now..
Here is a quick description of READPRT it may be of interest because the
source is available so you can change it to do anything you like.
* MODULE NAME : READPRT *
* *
* FUNCTION : READ THE FIRST PRINTER FILE FOUND IN THE VIRTUAL CARD*
*READER, WRITE IT TO A CMS DISK UNDER THE SPECIFIED FILE *
*NAME AND FILETYPE, RECREATING THE ASA CARRIAGE CONTROL *
*AS THE FIRST CHARACTER IN EACH LOGICAL RECORD. *
It's only about 200 instructions .
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Wakser, David
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:40 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
What do your programs do? Alan answered that, by default, VM's FTP set the
files to "V". I added a SITE command, and it fixed the problem.
David Wakser
_
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:26 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
Or if you are adventuress I have two programs you can have. 1) READPRT I
think this is an old program that was available for download. I have the
source. 2) READLIST I only have the module, don't know where it came from,
there is no doc, there doesn't appear to be any copyright notes in the
module. It works.
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Wakser, David
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:54 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a VSE POWER queue.
David Wakser
_
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:46 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
IIRC, SENDFILE (or TRANSMIT {synonym = XMIT} on TSO) sends files in NETDATA
format (making everything F 80 and including lots of control information).
When you RECEIVE a file sent in NETDATA (by SENDFILE or XMIT) format, the
file attributes are built to match what was sent. That's is likely what
Dave is seeing, assuming that the system sending the files to his reader is
using SENDFILE.
Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily
represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates.
"Fran Hensler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the
opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they are
always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10
bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said:
>All:
>
> I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a
lot of
>files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format
>"V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the
>RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around this?
>
>David Wakser
>InfoCrossing
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Re: RECEIVE question
Fran: That is not an option (or, better put, not an option that is easy to implement), since the VM/CMS users are not on the same VM as the VSEs from which we are punching the members. Yes, I know that I could set up RSCS and, with VM/VTAM, I could accomplish this. But that is not so simple to implement here, and if (or when) VM and/or VSE machines are moved around, lots of changes would be required. FTP seemed the best and simplest solution. And, so far, I have implemented submitting jobs and retrieving output to/from all available VSE machines quite easily with FTP. Since we are doing a "mass migration" of ICCF members, I need to automate things, and altering the RECFM after the RECEIVE is not a very simple task. This is MUCH more straightforward. David Wakser -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fran Hensler Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:35 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: RECEIVE question David - I would not use FTP but punch my ICCF member to VM via a virtual punch. I would expect RECEIVE would then make them RECFM 'F'. /Fran On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:53:49 -0700 Wakser, David said: >No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a VSE POWER >queue. > >David Wakser
Re: RECEIVE question
What do your programs do? Alan answered that, by default, VM's FTP set
the files to "V". I added a SITE command, and it fixed the problem.
David Wakser
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:26 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
Or if you are adventuress I have two programs you can have. 1) READPRT I
think this is an old program that was available for download. I have the
source. 2) READLIST I only have the module, don't know where it came
from, there is no doc, there doesn't appear to be any copyright notes in
the module. It works..
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wakser, David
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:54 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a VSE
POWER queue.
David Wakser
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:46 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
IIRC, SENDFILE (or TRANSMIT {synonym = XMIT} on TSO) sends files
in NETDATA format (making everything F 80 and including lots of control
information).
When you RECEIVE a file sent in NETDATA (by SENDFILE or XMIT)
format, the file attributes are built to match what was sent. That's is
likely what Dave is seeing, assuming that the system sending the files
to his reader is using SENDFILE.
Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not
necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates.
"Fran Hensler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the
opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they
are
always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is
10
bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of
space.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA
for 44 years
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said:
>All:
>
> I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to
receive a lot of
>files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record
format
>"V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on
the
>RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around this?
>
>David Wakser
>InfoCrossing
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Re: RECEIVE question
Thanks, Alan. That was the answer! David Wakser -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: RECEIVE question On Tuesday, 01/22/2008 at 11:55 EST, "Wakser, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a VSE POWER queue. Unless you issue a SITE FIX command, the RDR support in VM FTP sends files as RECFM V. Perhaps VSE is padding each record with blanks? Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: RECEIVE question
David - I would not use FTP but punch my ICCF member to VM via a virtual punch. I would expect RECEIVE would then make them RECFM 'F'. /Fran On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:53:49 -0700 Wakser, David said: >No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a VSE POWER >queue. > >David Wakser
Re: RECEIVE question
When a file is sent from the POWER PRT or PUN Queue to a VM RDR the filetype is the POWER job number. When I RECEIVE it I do not change the filetype so it is always numeric. /Fran On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:51:41 -0700 Wakser, David said: >What File type are you using? It might be defaulting because of the file >type. I am issuing the receive with a file type of ICCF. > >David Wakser > >-Original Message- >From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Fran Hensler >Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:26 AM >To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >Subject: Re: RECEIVE question > >That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the opposite. >When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they are always RECFM >'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10 bytes. If they >were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space. > >/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 >years > [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 >"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock" > >On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said: >>All: >> >> I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a lot of >files >>onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format "V" - >>and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the RECEIVE >>command itself. Is there any way around this? >> >>David Wakser >>InfoCrossing
Re: RECEIVE question
Or if you are adventuress I have two programs you can have. 1) READPRT I
think this is an old program that was available for download. I have the
source. 2) READLIST I only have the module, don't know where it came from,
there is no doc, there doesn't appear to be any copyright notes in the
module. It works..
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No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a VSE POWER queue.
David Wakser
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IIRC, SENDFILE (or TRANSMIT {synonym = XMIT} on TSO) sends files in NETDATA
format (making everything F 80 and including lots of control information).
When you RECEIVE a file sent in NETDATA (by SENDFILE or XMIT) format, the
file attributes are built to match what was sent. That's is likely what
Dave is seeing, assuming that the system sending the files to his reader is
using SENDFILE.
Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
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That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the
opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they are
always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10
bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said:
>All:
>
> I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a
lot of
>files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format
>"V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the
>RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around this?
>
>David Wakser
>InfoCrossing
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Re: RECEIVE question
On Tuesday, 01/22/2008 at 11:55 EST, "Wakser, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a VSE POWER queue. Unless you issue a SITE FIX command, the RDR support in VM FTP sends files as RECFM V. Perhaps VSE is padding each record with blanks? Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: RECEIVE question
No, the files are NOT sent by SENDFILE but by FTP from a VSE POWER
queue.
David Wakser
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:46 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: RECEIVE question
IIRC, SENDFILE (or TRANSMIT {synonym = XMIT} on TSO) sends files in
NETDATA format (making everything F 80 and including lots of control
information).
When you RECEIVE a file sent in NETDATA (by SENDFILE or XMIT) format,
the file attributes are built to match what was sent. That's is likely
what Dave is seeing, assuming that the system sending the files to his
reader is using SENDFILE.
Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
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represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates.
"Fran Hensler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the
opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they are
always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10
bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44
years
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said:
>All:
>
> I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive
a lot of
>files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format
>"V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the
>RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around this?
>
>David Wakser
>InfoCrossing
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Re: RECEIVE question
What File type are you using? It might be defaulting because of the file type. I am issuing the receive with a file type of ICCF. David Wakser -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fran Hensler Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:26 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: RECEIVE question That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they are always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10 bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 "Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock" On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said: >All: > > I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a lot of files >onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format "V" - >and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the RECEIVE >command itself. Is there any way around this? > >David Wakser >InfoCrossing
Re: RECEIVE question
IIRC, SENDFILE (or TRANSMIT {synonym = XMIT} on TSO) sends files in
NETDATA format (making everything F 80 and including lots of control
information).
When you RECEIVE a file sent in NETDATA (by SENDFILE or XMIT) format, the
file attributes are built to match what was sent. That's is likely what
Dave is seeing, assuming that the system sending the files to his reader
is using SENDFILE.
Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
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represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates.
"Fran Hensler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the
opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they are
always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10
bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space.
/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 years
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock"
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said:
>All:
>
>I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a
lot of
>files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format
>"V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the
>RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around this?
>
>David Wakser
>InfoCrossing
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Re: RECEIVE question
On Jan 22, 2008 5:26 PM, Fran Hensler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the > opposite. They say you can't do it right for everyone. But apparently you can do it wrong for everyone ;-) If the situation is common enough that an extra COPYFILE is bothering you, it might be an idea to write some plumbing that performs the RECEIVE as you want it (and avoid temporary extra space on the disk). You could probably make yourself a wrapper that passes control to RECEIVE when it's not your special case. Start with the 'reader' stage and 'deblock netdata' and look in The Book for the section on Netdata format... Rob
Re: RECEIVE question
On Tuesday, 01/22/2008 at 11:35 EST, Fran Hensler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the > opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they are > always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10 > bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space. (poof) RECEIVE with the KEEPCC option will create a V-format file with carriage control intact (a la DEPRINT). If you don't like the CC character, you can post-process with a PIPE or COPYFILE to remove it. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: RECEIVE question
That's funny David because I have often wished for exactly the opposite. When I RECEIVE PRT files from a VSE virtual 3800 they are always RECFM 'F' and 205 bytes even if the longest print line is 10 bytes. If they were received as 'V' it would save a lot of space. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 44 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 "Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock" On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:38:33 -0700 Wakser, David said: >All: > > I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a lot of >files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format >"V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the >RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around this? > >David Wakser >InfoCrossing
Re: RECEIVE question
On Tuesday, 01/22/2008 at 10:39 EST, "Wakser, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a lot of > files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format > "V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the > RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around this? A file is received in the same format it was sent (if that information was included). Since you're running an exec, just "COPYFILE ( OLDDATE RECFM F" to convert it. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: RECEIVE question
Just off the top of my head, you might want to look at pipe stages READER or UR .. I think that might work .. or look at READCARD which is what RECEIVE calls .. . -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wakser, David Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:39 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: RECEIVE question All: I am issuing a RECEIVE from within an EXEC to receive a lot of files onto a minidisk. However, RECEIVE sets them up as record format "V" - and I want them to be "F". I see no options for this on the RECEIVE command itself. Is there any way around this? David Wakser InfoCrossing
