Re: VMTAPE Command
I'd be somewhat surprised that a hardware provider has a requirement for a very specific software vendor's tape library product (e.g. CA's VM:Tape, IBM's Tape Manager for z/VM product, etc.). In fact, since the interface for manipulating library changer hardware is not documented, most call out to DFSMS/CMS to do the deed.
Re: VMTAPE Command
How the library manager is controlled depends entirely upon the manufacturer. When we had an IBM ATL, we indeed used RMSMASTER. When we switched to an Sun/STK VTS, Sun/STK required that we install: a separate Sparc workstation running Redhat, software on VM to talk over IP to that Redhat workstation, and that would then talk to Sun/STK software on a z/OS system to control the library. I saw that as a long string of problems (including firewall changes) just waiting to fail - often, and without warning. Too many control points beyond our control! Long ago I'd developed a band-aid/bubblegum method of entering a command on VM:Operator, which would send a message through an RSCS NJE connection to our z/OS systems. Automation on those z/OS systems trapped the message, issued the requested command on the appropriate z/OS system(s), trapped the response, and sent it back as a string messages in rexx stem variable format through that same RSCS NJE connection. VM:Operator trapped the response and displayed it for forwarded it to the command issuer. After couple weeks of work, that process was improved to enter the Sun/STK .MOUNT. .DISM, and other .commands as if the z/OS Operator had issued them. We prevented an expense of over $50,000 for the Sun/STK software required on z/VM, the Sun/STK Sparc workstation, a Redhat implementation, firewall rules, untold tape mount failures due to messed up firewall changes, and multiple points of failure. One day I might get around to replacing that band-aid/bubblegum connection with something less complex and actually supported - but until then, it continues to work great. It's not pretty, it's not simple, but it does the job. Neither Sun/STK's recommended installation, nor my alternate solution required DFSMS/CMS. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 05/05/2010 09:25 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: VMTAPE Command I'd be somewhat surprised that a hardware provider has a requirement for a very specific software vendor's tape library product (e.g. CA's VM:Tape, IBM's Tape Manager for z/VM product, etc.). In fact, since the interface for manipulating library changer hardware is not documented, most call out to DFSMS/CMS to do the deed. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: VMTAPE Command
How the library manager is controlled depends entirely upon the manufacturer. When we had an IBM ATL, we indeed used RMSMASTER. Ah, right. I keep forgetting about the STK stuff -- I guess the therapy finally took 8-). In any case, the point still stands that the tape managers call something else to control the library automation. Maybe you should add NJE to your Linux systems? If we could agree on a command protocol, you might end up defining how to get channel-attached tape usable in Linux. -- db
Re: VMTAPE Command
Mario, VMTAPE doesn't come with z/VM, it's a product you buy from CA and install on z/VM. when I enter HELP VMTAPE the response is: Copyright Computer Associates International, Inc. 1996 VM:Tape, a proprietary software product of Computer Associates, helps your site manage tape volumes and tape drives. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mario Izaguirre Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:25 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: VMTAPE Command Hi listeners, I wanted to know if the command CMS VMTAPE is supported in z/VM 5.4? I give HELP VMTAPE with the user MAINT and don't show me the help panel on the command. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system.
Re: VMTAPE Command
There is no VMTAPE command supplied with z/VM. There is a CA product called VM:Tape which provides a VMTAPE command. Perhaps if you describe your circumstances more fully, then we can provide additional information. For example, - did you have a VMTAPE command working on a previous release of z/VM before an upgrade? - perhaps on a different z/VM system altogether, or even at a different employer? - perhaps it was a locally-written command? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Mario Izaguirre mizagui...@circulo.es Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 05/04/2010 09:25 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject VMTAPE Command Hi listeners, I wanted to know if the command CMS VMTAPE is supported in z/VM 5.4? I give ?HELP VMTAPE? with the user MAINT and don?t show me the help panel on the command. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: VMTAPE Command
Thank you very much for the help. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] En nombre de Romanowski, John (OFT) Enviado el: martes, 04 de mayo de 2010 16:34 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Asunto: Re: VMTAPE Command Mario, VMTAPE doesn't come with z/VM, it's a product you buy from CA and install on z/VM. when I enter HELP VMTAPE the response is: Copyright Computer Associates International, Inc. 1996 VM:Tape, a proprietary software product of Computer Associates, helps your site manage tape volumes and tape drives. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mario Izaguirre Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:25 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: VMTAPE Command Hi listeners, I wanted to know if the command CMS VMTAPE is supported in z/VM 5.4? I give HELP VMTAPE with the user MAINT and don't show me the help panel on the command. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system.
Re: VMTAPE Command
VMTAPE is a product currently owned by CA. It's not part of the base system. -- db From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mario Izaguirre Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:25 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: VMTAPE Command Hi listeners, I wanted to know if the command CMS VMTAPE is supported in z/VM 5.4? I give HELP VMTAPE with the user MAINT and don't show me the help panel on the command. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain
Re: VMTAPE Command
Hi Mario, The product CA VM:Tape does run under z/VM 5.4. Thank you; Brian Jagos TSO Principal Consultant z/OS z/VM Linux for System z Phone: (631) 342 - 6523 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mario Izaguirre Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:53 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VMTAPE Command Thank you very much for the help. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] En nombre de Romanowski, John (OFT) Enviado el: martes, 04 de mayo de 2010 16:34 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Asunto: Re: VMTAPE Command Mario, VMTAPE doesn't come with z/VM, it's a product you buy from CA and install on z/VM. when I enter HELP VMTAPE the response is: Copyright Computer Associates International, Inc. 1996 VM:Tape, a proprietary software product of Computer Associates, helps your site manage tape volumes and tape drives. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mario Izaguirre Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:25 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: VMTAPE Command Hi listeners, I wanted to know if the command CMS VMTAPE is supported in z/VM 5.4? I give HELP VMTAPE with the user MAINT and don't show me the help panel on the command. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system.
Re: VMTAPE Command
Is that the company where I work, we are looking to buy a VTL and we have a proposal from a vendor and specification says that through the command VMTAPE virtual tapes are mounted in order to make'S DUMP CMS files, spool, etc. etc. Do not know if the previous VM see. 2.3. I had before that command came, I recently migrated from this version az / VM 5.4. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain -Mensaje original- De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] En nombre de Mike Walter Enviado el: martes, 04 de mayo de 2010 16:37 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Asunto: Re: VMTAPE Command There is no VMTAPE command supplied with z/VM. There is a CA product called VM:Tape which provides a VMTAPE command. Perhaps if you describe your circumstances more fully, then we can provide additional information. For example, - did you have a VMTAPE command working on a previous release of z/VM before an upgrade? - perhaps on a different z/VM system altogether, or even at a different employer? - perhaps it was a locally-written command? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Mario Izaguirre mizagui...@circulo.es Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 05/04/2010 09:25 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject VMTAPE Command Hi listeners, I wanted to know if the command CMS VMTAPE is supported in z/VM 5.4? I give ?HELP VMTAPE? with the user MAINT and don?t show me the help panel on the command. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: VMTAPE Command
I think you are referring to VTAPE, not VMTAPE. Jim Hughes 603-271-5586 It is fun to do the impossible. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mario Izaguirre Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:58 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VMTAPE Command Is that the company where I work, we are looking to buy a VTL and we have a proposal from a vendor and specification says that through the command VMTAPE virtual tapes are mounted in order to make'S DUMP CMS files, spool, etc. etc. Do not know if the previous VM see. 2.3. I had before that command came, I recently migrated from this version az / VM 5.4. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain -Mensaje original- De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] En nombre de Mike Walter Enviado el: martes, 04 de mayo de 2010 16:37 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Asunto: Re: VMTAPE Command There is no VMTAPE command supplied with z/VM. There is a CA product called VM:Tape which provides a VMTAPE command. Perhaps if you describe your circumstances more fully, then we can provide additional information. For example, - did you have a VMTAPE command working on a previous release of z/VM before an upgrade? - perhaps on a different z/VM system altogether, or even at a different employer? - perhaps it was a locally-written command? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Mario Izaguirre mizagui...@circulo.es Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 05/04/2010 09:25 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject VMTAPE Command Hi listeners, I wanted to know if the command CMS VMTAPE is supported in z/VM 5.4? I give ?HELP VMTAPE? with the user MAINT and don?t show me the help panel on the command. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: VMTAPE Command
Jim Hughes mentioned VTAPE, but if I recall correctly, that provides emulation of tape which the data resides on real disk. If you are considering a VTL solution from a hardware vendor, that is an alternative to the VTAPE product. A VTL (Virtual Tape Library) requires some means to mount a virtual tape within the Virtual Tape Library. I'd be somewhat surprised that a hardware provider has a requirement for a very specific software vendor's tape library product (e.g. CA's VM:Tape, IBM's Tape Manager for z/VM product, etc.). Ask your hardware vendor for more specific information regarding the VMTAPE command they are requesting. No IBM VM system has ever been distributed with a VMTAPE command as part of CMS. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Mario Izaguirre mizagui...@circulo.es Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 05/04/2010 09:57 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: VMTAPE Command Is that the company where I work, we are looking to buy a VTL and we have a proposal from a vendor and specification says that through the command VMTAPE virtual tapes are mounted in order to make'S DUMP CMS files, spool, etc. etc. Do not know if the previous VM see. 2.3. I had before that command came, I recently migrated from this version az / VM 5.4. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain -Mensaje original- De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] En nombre de Mike Walter Enviado el: martes, 04 de mayo de 2010 16:37 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Asunto: Re: VMTAPE Command There is no VMTAPE command supplied with z/VM. There is a CA product called VM:Tape which provides a VMTAPE command. Perhaps if you describe your circumstances more fully, then we can provide additional information. For example, - did you have a VMTAPE command working on a previous release of z/VM before an upgrade? - perhaps on a different z/VM system altogether, or even at a different employer? - perhaps it was a locally-written command? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Mario Izaguirre mizagui...@circulo.es Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 05/04/2010 09:25 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject VMTAPE Command Hi listeners, I wanted to know if the command CMS VMTAPE is supported in z/VM 5.4? I give ?HELP VMTAPE? with the user MAINT and don?t show me the help panel on the command. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Mario Izaguirre Mainframe System Programmer Barcelona, Spain The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
