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Terry. I just got off of a contract with Oracle and have moved their data bases to zLinux because they will no longer support Oracle beyond V10gR2. In other words, Oracle on the legacy systems are supported with a lifetime support clause, but will not be upgraded with new features. So I have moved Oracle Data Bases to zLinux for the newer features, V11 and RAC. Additionally, I have also consolidated servers to move the Oracle data bases to zLinux. Would you be interested in an assessment ? Regards Danny Padilla - Solution Architect. Oracle Consulting Services, Systems Performance Architecture, Advanced Technology Solutions _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:00 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because.. My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry
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Terry, We currently have about 20 zlinux guests (15 of which have Oracle databases) under one VM lpar on a z9 processor with 2 IFLs. We have 16gb of central storage and 4gb of expanded. Two of the Oracle systems are very heavy users of both cpu and storage, and are continuous 24x7 application. The guests are low to moderate users. We are becoming storage constrained largely because of the two heavy hitters. Virtualization does work best when the guests are low to moderate users of resources and don't all request resources at the same time. Tuning and sizing of VM, linux, and Oracle is very important. For the most part follow the tuning recommendations for a VM/zLinux environment, not the tuning recommendations for a Solaris or AIX environment. We are in the process of adding more guests and more memory to the lpar. Bob From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:00 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry
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Terry, I forgot you can not send attachments - here is the LINK http://ew.share.org/proceedingmod/project.cfm?project_id=3147conference_id=16 Sessions 9230 and 9231 to be specific good luck Bill Munson Brown Brothers Harriman z/VM System Programmer 201-418-7588 President MVMUA http://www2.marist.edu/~mvmua/ Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 09/18/2008 09:59 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because?. My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
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Something has changed: I see the attachments in your previous append. 2008/9/19 Bill Munson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Terry, I forgot you can not send attachments - here is the LINK http://ew.share.org/proceedingmod/project.cfm?project_id=3147conference_id=16 Sessions 9230 and 9231 to be specific good luck Bill Munson Brown Brothers Harriman z/VM System Programmer 201-418-7588 President MVMUA http://www2.marist.edu/~mvmua/ Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 09/18/2008 09:59 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because…. My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry *** IMPORTANT NOTE * The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates BBH. There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus. *** -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
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Yes I would be interested in the assessment. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Padilla Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:30 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Importance: High Terry... I just got off of a contract with Oracle and have moved their data bases to zLinux because they will no longer support Oracle beyond V10gR2. In other words, Oracle on the legacy systems are supported with a lifetime support clause, but will not be upgraded with new features. So I have moved Oracle Data Bases to zLinux for the newer features, V11 and RAC. Additionally, I have also consolidated servers to move the Oracle data bases to zLinux. Would you be interested in an assessment ? Regards Danny Padilla - Solution Architect. Oracle Consulting Services, Systems Performance Architecture, Advanced Technology Solutions From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:00 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry
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huh? what is the information feed for this? I have many clients that are successfully running Oracle both in the horizontal and vertical space. The Province of Quebec project with at that time 150 Oracle servers is well documented and received an award at SHARE. Other clients are using fewer but larger Oracle machines. As a matter of fact in many ways sliding Oracle into System z is smoother and handles workload better than other applications. linux and Oracle are a major pleasure spot in z/VM. David From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Thu 9/18/2008 9:59 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry
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Mr. Martin. Ok..The assessments normally last 2 to 3 weeks, which require an onsite visit to collect, analyze evaluate the IT environment. My contract rate is $190 Hr. + travel expenses which we can try to keep down by minimizing onsite time. You will be presented with a final presentation at the end of that term and I will be available to answer any all questions. This includes considerable amount of collateral documentation. This may also include installation, configuration tuning information as well. Since I no longer work for Oracle, this document would be an independent assessment, free of any bias that results from the pressure of a commission based salesman. I think you know what I mean. I can also help you/your company with the installation, migration, tuning and other support activities.but that is another topic that can be addressed if you wish to move forward. Regards Danny Padilla (623) 518 2427 _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward M Martin Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 6:38 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Yes I would be interested in the assessment. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Padilla Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:30 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Importance: High Terry. I just got off of a contract with Oracle and have moved their data bases to zLinux because they will no longer support Oracle beyond V10gR2. In other words, Oracle on the legacy systems are supported with a lifetime support clause, but will not be upgraded with new features. So I have moved Oracle Data Bases to zLinux for the newer features, V11 and RAC. Additionally, I have also consolidated servers to move the Oracle data bases to zLinux. Would you be interested in an assessment ? Regards Danny Padilla - Solution Architect. Oracle Consulting Services, Systems Performance Architecture, Advanced Technology Solutions _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:00 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because.. My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry
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Here is the info on the Oracle assessment. Since when did this stuff require money? LOL We caught one of the people that comes to our church food bank selling the food he got in the Kmart parking lot down the street. Maybe we could think of some revenue generation solution like that! From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Padilla Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:10 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Importance: High Mr. Martin. OkThe assessments normally last 2 to 3 weeks, which require an onsite visit to collect, analyze evaluate the IT environment. My contract rate is $190 Hr. + travel expenses which we can try to keep down by minimizing onsite time. You will be presented with a final presentation at the end of that term and I will be available to answer any all questions. This includes considerable amount of collateral documentation. This may also include installation, configuration tuning information as well. Since I no longer work for Oracle, this document would be an independent assessment, free of any bias that results from the pressure of a commission based salesman. I think you know what I mean. I can also help you/your company with the installation, migration, tuning and other support activities...but that is another topic that can be addressed if you wish to move forward. Regards Danny Padilla (623) 518 2427 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward M Martin Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 6:38 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Yes I would be interested in the assessment. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Padilla Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:30 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Importance: High Terry... I just got off of a contract with Oracle and have moved their data bases to zLinux because they will no longer support Oracle beyond V10gR2. In other words, Oracle on the legacy systems are supported with a lifetime support clause, but will not be upgraded with new features. So I have moved Oracle Data Bases to zLinux for the newer features, V11 and RAC. Additionally, I have also consolidated servers to move the Oracle data bases to zLinux. Would you be interested in an assessment ? Regards Danny Padilla - Solution Architect. Oracle Consulting Services, Systems Performance Architecture, Advanced Technology Solutions From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:00 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry
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I know it's Friday, but I suspect some of you wish you watched more carefully where your replies were being sent!
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Dearest colleagues: I've already suggested, off-list, that further discussions of tiresome dollars-and-cents issues are better pursued off-list. Additional nuts-and-bolts content is welcome. Pithy remarks, tangential witticisms, contractual negotiations, etc will be discouraged with a degree of intensity correlating directly to the volume of off-topic traffic... Your humble list janitor, -dan.
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Thanks Danny we can take this offline. Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Padilla Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:10 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Importance: High Mr. Martin. OkThe assessments normally last 2 to 3 weeks, which require an onsite visit to collect, analyze evaluate the IT environment. My contract rate is $190 Hr. + travel expenses which we can try to keep down by minimizing onsite time. You will be presented with a final presentation at the end of that term and I will be available to answer any all questions. This includes considerable amount of collateral documentation. This may also include installation, configuration tuning information as well. Since I no longer work for Oracle, this document would be an independent assessment, free of any bias that results from the pressure of a commission based salesman. I think you know what I mean. I can also help you/your company with the installation, migration, tuning and other support activities...but that is another topic that can be addressed if you wish to move forward. Regards Danny Padilla (623) 518 2427 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward M Martin Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 6:38 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Yes I would be interested in the assessment. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Padilla Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:30 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Importance: High Terry... I just got off of a contract with Oracle and have moved their data bases to zLinux because they will no longer support Oracle beyond V10gR2. In other words, Oracle on the legacy systems are supported with a lifetime support clause, but will not be upgraded with new features. So I have moved Oracle Data Bases to zLinux for the newer features, V11 and RAC. Additionally, I have also consolidated servers to move the Oracle data bases to zLinux. Would you be interested in an assessment ? Regards Danny Padilla - Solution Architect. Oracle Consulting Services, Systems Performance Architecture, Advanced Technology Solutions From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:00 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry
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My very deepest apologies.. Regards Danny Padilla _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Higgins, Neil S Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Here is the info on the Oracle assessment. Since when did this stuff require money? LOL We caught one of the people that comes to our church food bank selling the food he got in the Kmart parking lot down the street. Maybe we could think of some revenue generation solution like that! _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Padilla Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:10 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Importance: High Mr. Martin. Ok..The assessments normally last 2 to 3 weeks, which require an onsite visit to collect, analyze evaluate the IT environment. My contract rate is $190 Hr. + travel expenses which we can try to keep down by minimizing onsite time. You will be presented with a final presentation at the end of that term and I will be available to answer any all questions. This includes considerable amount of collateral documentation. This may also include installation, configuration tuning information as well. Since I no longer work for Oracle, this document would be an independent assessment, free of any bias that results from the pressure of a commission based salesman. I think you know what I mean. I can also help you/your company with the installation, migration, tuning and other support activities.but that is another topic that can be addressed if you wish to move forward. Regards Danny Padilla (623) 518 2427 _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward M Martin Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 6:38 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Yes I would be interested in the assessment. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Padilla Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:30 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Importance: High Terry. I just got off of a contract with Oracle and have moved their data bases to zLinux because they will no longer support Oracle beyond V10gR2. In other words, Oracle on the legacy systems are supported with a lifetime support clause, but will not be upgraded with new features. So I have moved Oracle Data Bases to zLinux for the newer features, V11 and RAC. Additionally, I have also consolidated servers to move the Oracle data bases to zLinux. Would you be interested in an assessment ? Regards Danny Padilla - Solution Architect. Oracle Consulting Services, Systems Performance Architecture, Advanced Technology Solutions _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:00 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: What people are doing Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because.. My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry
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Yes, we got it. I have already requested that the this be taken offline. DONE Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IBMVM Moderator Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:32 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing Dearest colleagues: I've already suggested, off-list, that further discussions of tiresome dollars-and-cents issues are better pursued off-list. Additional nuts-and-bolts content is welcome. Pithy remarks, tangential witticisms, contractual negotiations, etc will be discouraged with a degree of intensity correlating directly to the volume of off-topic traffic... Your humble list janitor, -dan.
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:59:38 -0400 Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) said: Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! People are moving servers with litter usage because those are the no-brainers. They move easily and without a lot of work. You almost have to work at it to fail with them. My current boss has taken a very agressive stance with Linux on z. We almost have to prove that it won't work, before he lets us try it somewhere else. In that environment, we are moving to a new ERP that uses Oracle as its database. The vendor does not support it on z, but given the current management, we had to try it first. It has worked almost flawlessly. A couple minor tweaks have been required, but my boss has been extremely happy with the result. We've ended up paying less in Oracle licenses, the environment is less complex, and from talking to others with similar size ERPs, we're running faster. The biggest problem was misconfiguration from the vendor, but that would have been a problem in any environment. Fix that and things work great. (Now my boss wants us to move the application servers over.) (I say we, but Martha, Dave and Ben have done all the heavy lifting, along with the application programmers) Thanks, Terry /ahw
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008, A. Harry Williams wrote: snip My current boss has taken a very agressive stance with Linux on z. We almost have to prove that it won't work, before he lets us try it somewhere else. In snip Oh, how I wish I had such a boss! Our upper level people are still sold on the idea that the System z is simply obsolete, too expensive, and won't even consider the possibility of looking at Linux on z. They have tightened the purse strings. That means, to them, VMWare on Intel for server consolidation. They listen to the distributed or open people who will never let a chance go by to lie like a politician about the z. As best as I can tell, they never listen to anybody from the mainframe side of the world. Go away, boy! You're bothering me! -- Q: What do theoretical physicists drink beer from? A: Ein Stein. Maranatha! John McKown
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They must be getting their reading material from Dr's waiting room instead of from airlines :-) Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:48 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: What people are doing On Fri, 19 Sep 2008, A. Harry Williams wrote: snip My current boss has taken a very agressive stance with Linux on z. We almost have to prove that it won't work, before he lets us try it somewhere else. In snip Oh, how I wish I had such a boss! Our upper level people are still sold on the idea that the System z is simply obsolete, too expensive, and won't even consider the possibility of looking at Linux on z. They have tightened the purse strings. That means, to them, VMWare on Intel for server consolidation. They listen to the distributed or open people who will never let a chance go by to lie like a politician about the z. As best as I can tell, they never listen to anybody from the mainframe side of the world. Go away, boy! You're bothering me! -- Q: What do theoretical physicists drink beer from? A: Ein Stein. Maranatha! John McKown
What people are doing
Hi Are you seeing a fair number of shops running Oracle on Linux on Z and if so have the results been favorable? The question comes about because My management is hearing that when people move servers over to the Z under Linux they are mostly moving servers that have very little usage already and that databases like Oracle are staying put on the other platforms such as Solaris in my case, giving them the impression that the z/Linux cannot handle this. I know there are some situations where this may be true but I do not believe on a whole this is necessarily true. What do you think! Thanks, Terry
