Re: cp link security
Have you *seen* David lately? Obviously, as with many of us long-time mainframers, dementia is setting up shop... in this case apparently contracted by his exposure to RACF. ;-) Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 06/13/2007 08:01 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: cp link security From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kreuter What's happened to me? I no longer find RACF on VM that annoying. But I don't use ISPF so that helps lessen the annoyance. David Clearly brain lesions induced by prolonged contact with RACF. -- db The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: cp link security
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kreuter What's happened to me? I no longer find RACF on VM that annoying. But I don't use ISPF so that helps lessen the annoyance. David Clearly brain lesions induced by prolonged contact with RACF. -- db
Re: cp link security
Go to the VM Resources web site http://www.vm-resources.com/ and you will see a nice picture of David getting his award at SHARE Bill Munson IT Specialist VM System Programmer Office of Information Technology State of New Jersey (609) 984-4065 President MVMUA http://www.marist.edu/~mvmua Mike Walter wrote: Have you *seen* David lately? Obviously, as with many of us long-time mainframers, dementia is setting up shop... in this case apparently contracted by his exposure to RACF. ;-) Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 06/13/2007 08:01 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: cp link security From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kreuter What's happened to me? I no longer find RACF on VM that annoying. But I don't use ISPF so that helps lessen the annoyance. David Clearly brain lesions induced by prolonged contact with RACF. -- db The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: cp link security
On Jun 13, 2007, at 8:01 AM, David Boyes wrote: From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kreuter What's happened to me? I no longer find RACF on VM that annoying. But I don't use ISPF so that helps lessen the annoyance. David Clearly brain lesions induced by prolonged contact with RACF. Sounds like a SOA to me. Adam
Re: cp link security
On: Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 09:11:26AM -0400,Alan Altmark Wrote: } On Tuesday, 06/12/2007 at 09:06 AST, Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] } wrote: } } And its a trivial CP mod to include the ALL pwd minidisks and some other } exceptions in the accounting data. } } (No, I don't have the mod, but I am sure somebody on the list can supply } it. My previous employer used it.) } } Come now, Rich. Only someone who is knowledgable about CP internals and } is comfortable modifying the system that way would classify such a thing } as trivial. :-) Yes Alan, I suppose your right. Mods to VM are depreciated these days, but SES makes it (relatively) easy to do, and ISTR that the mod consists of making a conditional branch into either a NOP or an unconditional branch. As mods I have done in the past go, *I* consider that one to be trivial. Peter, how about posting that mod? -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: cp link security
Any sufficiently advanced triviality is indistinguishable from magic. X-8^) Apologies to Mr Clarke Gregg No plan survives execution Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Re: cp link security 06/13/2007 10:37 Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU On: Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 09:11:26AM -0400,Alan Altmark Wrote: } On Tuesday, 06/12/2007 at 09:06 AST, Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] } wrote: } } And its a trivial CP mod to include the ALL pwd minidisks and some other } exceptions in the accounting data. } } (No, I don't have the mod, but I am sure somebody on the list can supply } it. My previous employer used it.) } } Come now, Rich. Only someone who is knowledgable about CP internals and } is comfortable modifying the system that way would classify such a thing } as trivial. :-) Yes Alan, I suppose your right. Mods to VM are depreciated these days, but SES makes it (relatively) easy to do, and ISTR that the mod consists of making a conditional branch into either a NOP or an unconditional branch. As mods I have done in the past go, *I* consider that one to be trivial. Peter, how about posting that mod? -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: cp link security
Wash your mouth out with soap. You shouldn't use dirty words on a professional list. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:09 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: cp link security yeah, that's just weird david. next you'll tell us you like doing things on z/os or windows! Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kreuter Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:37 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] cp link security What's happened to me? I no longer find RACF on VM that annoying. But I don't use ISPF so that helps lessen the annoyance. David -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of David Boyes Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 4:14 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] cp link security I'm not completely sure (offsite w/o manuals), but the CP journaling facility can at least catch failed links. I don't think it will report on successful links, or allow you to control who can perform a command - you need an ESM for that, and all of those are 3rd party (and expensive, either in cash (any of the CA products) or annoyance value (RACF)).
Re: cp link security
Did you mean deprecated? Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:38 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: cp link security On: Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 09:11:26AM -0400,Alan Altmark Wrote: } On Tuesday, 06/12/2007 at 09:06 AST, Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] } wrote: } } And its a trivial CP mod to include the ALL pwd minidisks and some other } exceptions in the accounting data. } } (No, I don't have the mod, but I am sure somebody on the list can supply } it. My previous employer used it.) } } Come now, Rich. Only someone who is knowledgable about CP internals and } is comfortable modifying the system that way would classify such a thing } as trivial. :-) Yes Alan, I suppose your right. Mods to VM are depreciated these days, but SES makes it (relatively) easy to do, and ISTR that the mod consists of making a conditional branch into either a NOP or an unconditional branch. As mods I have done in the past go, *I* consider that one to be trivial. Peter, how about posting that mod? -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: cp link security
But who will correct his? Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:49 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: cp link security On 6/13/07, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you mean deprecated? That's when you want to use it, but it does not work anymore because the developer got a life. To me depreciated is when you don't want to use it anymore. :-) ( I just depreciated Fedora on my Linux PC ) /me thinks it's enough if Phil corrects our typos ;-)
Re: cp link security
On: Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 08:44:05AM -0700,Schuh, Richard Wrote: } Did you mean deprecated? Is that how its spelled? I said: } I suppose your right. Mods to VM are depreciated these days, but SES -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: cp link security
OK... how about More to VM are 'under-appreciated' as an incorrect alternative to depreciated (which is what one does in accounting)? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 06/13/2007 11:10 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: cp link security On: Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 08:44:05AM -0700,Schuh, Richard Wrote: } Did you mean deprecated? Is that how its spelled? I said: } I suppose your right. Mods to VM are depreciated these days, but SES -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: cp link security
It depends on your intended meaning. Both are legitimate words. Something that loses value over time is an example of depreciation. To deprecate something, especially in the current context, is to discourage its use, to frown upon it. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:10 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: cp link security On: Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 08:44:05AM -0700,Schuh, Richard Wrote: } Did you mean deprecated? Is that how its spelled? I said: } I suppose your right. Mods to VM are depreciated these days, but SES -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: cp link security
I've come this far without liking either one. At least I have a grudging admiration for z/os. David -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 11:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] cp link security yeah, that's just weird david. next you'll tell us you like doing things on z/os or windows!
cp link security
Is there a way to monitor when/if a vm guest links to a minidisk other than their own? I need native built-in methods only - no 3rd party products. Thanks... -James
Re: cp link security
RACF can do that... Not 3'th party, but still an addition to z/VM 2007/6/12, James M [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a way to monitor when/if a vm guest links to a minidisk other than their own? I need native built-in methods only - no 3rd party products. Thanks... -James -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: cp link security
z/VM built-in CP JOURNAL feature, if you have it enabled via SYSTEM CONFIG, will generate a type 05 account card when someone LINKs an MDISK whose link password isn't ALL; DISKACNT collects the account cards and writes them to a CMS file. This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James M Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:54 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: cp link security Is there a way to monitor when/if a vm guest links to a minidisk other than their own? I need native built-in methods only - no 3rd party products. Thanks... -James
Re: cp link security
I'm not completely sure (offsite w/o manuals), but the CP journaling facility can at least catch failed links. I don't think it will report on successful links, or allow you to control who can perform a command - you need an ESM for that, and all of those are 3rd party (and expensive, either in cash (any of the CA products) or annoyance value (RACF)). Is there a way to monitor when/if a vm guest links to a minidisk other than their own? I need native built-in methods only - no 3rd party products.
Re: cp link security
What's happened to me? I no longer find RACF on VM that annoying. But I don't use ISPF so that helps lessen the annoyance. David -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of David Boyes Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 4:14 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] cp link security I'm not completely sure (offsite w/o manuals), but the CP journaling facility can at least catch failed links. I don't think it will report on successful links, or allow you to control who can perform a command - you need an ESM for that, and all of those are 3rd party (and expensive, either in cash (any of the CA products) or annoyance value (RACF)).
Re: cp link security
yeah, that's just weird david. next you'll tell us you like doing things on z/os or windows! Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kreuter Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:37 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] cp link security What's happened to me? I no longer find RACF on VM that annoying. But I don't use ISPF so that helps lessen the annoyance. David -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of David Boyes Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 4:14 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] cp link security I'm not completely sure (offsite w/o manuals), but the CP journaling facility can at least catch failed links. I don't think it will report on successful links, or allow you to control who can perform a command - you need an ESM for that, and all of those are 3rd party (and expensive, either in cash (any of the CA products) or annoyance value (RACF)).
