[IceHorses] Re: Holar now gait and shoeing
> I understand that for one of the last evaluations, they brought in a > horseshoer from Iceland to shoe all the horses. Wonder why? > > There are three good reasons for using shoes: > maybe just to make sure that none of the horse would be disqualified because of a shoeing that is not according to the breeding rules, how about that?? Jasmin
[IceHorses] Re: Holar now gait and shoeing
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > maybe it's like borium in the usa, which is commonly used just on the > front feet (which are more weight-bearing). > > You certainly are quick to rush to say "maybe" when plenty of us have > already asked these questions and have gotten some unsatisfactory answers. > And "maybe" some people have thought this issue out for a longer time than > you have. ok then I will clarify. They replace two to four nails per shoe with icenails, so the horses have more track on the ice and don't slip. some of such type: http://www.mustadinc.com/products/prod_nails_07.htm or http://www.mustadhoofcare.com/multilangue/products/Nails/frames/M% 20DT-NAILS.jpg nothing mysterious about that. Jasmin
[IceHorses] Re: Extremes and Breed Standard / Mane Hormones
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi > I have had mares, stallions and geldings with very long manes - one gelding > had a mane to his knees and it grew really quickly, same with some mares > with long manes and about the same number of stallions - also had some of > all sexes that their manes were thick but never seemed to change length. So > I can't really imagine from my experience that hormones had anything to do > with it. of course there is a genetical disposition for having long and/or thick manes and tails. But if you would have an identical horse beside the gender, the stallion would have more hair, for sure. This is what I wanted to say. A mare would never get such a thick and long mane and tail as a stallion has with the same dispotition. So a mare could get a ten for mane and tail, without having such hair as Kalman. There are stallions, that are known to make not a nice mane and tail (f.e. Piltur fra Sperðli or Gustur fra Holi). But as their other traits are very wished, they have a lot of mares nevertheless. As mane and tail is only 1.5% of the overall mark, they can compensate very well a bad mark for hair. Jasmin
[IceHorses] Re: Extremes and Breed Standard / Mane Hormones
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > are hormons involved in that, which a mare hasn't. > > This is something that I've not heard of! Hormones for manes and tails? > > Which hormones come into play for manes? How can I find out more about > this? > simply testosteron :-) Jasmin
[IceHorses] Re: Evaluations and Shoeing
> > Jasmin, thanks for the input. Are any of the horses in your area competing > barefoot? I don't know. It is allowed in Switzerland, but only if the horse is barefoot on all four feets. > > Is there any movement in Europe to evaluate barefoot? not that I'm aware of. As in our area you already have problem to ride a horse barefoot just for leisure riding, I don't think, professionals would risk to outwear the feet of their horses by riding barefoot. > > In Europe, with Icelandic Horse owners, how popular is manipulating gait > with shoes? it is popular to shoe the horses and it is popular to use 10mm shoes in front, if the horse tends to be pacey. As you would consider this manipulating, yes they do. Jasmin
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
>> A few more pictures of Sonny. Wow, beautiful! Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] Gaiting At Liberty and Loose Rein
> My gelding is a tolt machine-no shoes, no boots, and tolts best on a > loose rein! He came with regular shoes. We reset them at the first > trim then left him barefoot for the winter. He is tolting the same as > he did with shoes. Great! It would be wonderful to see pictures of his tolt on a loose rein! >>>stjarni, who gaits both at liberty (though maybe not as much as he trots) >>>and on a loose rein<<< Superb! Can we see pictures of both horses gaiting? Maybe some video? Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:58:35PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > i still would like to try a sensation sometime, although i suspect that > being tall helps cary to mount -- my 6'2" husband has no problems vaulting > onto stjarni, whereas i just end up eating dust :) > > Cary is not only tall, but he has some serious joint problems that have > surfaced over the past year - from past years of running. He may need > joint replacements. Mounting is the hardest part of riding for him now. *nods* mounting is the hardest part for me too, and the only joints i have official problems with are my wrists (i type too much, as y'all can tell :) my husband is lithe and limber as well as tall. i am jealous. oh, i was meaning to post this -- he rode stjarni the other day, and said afterwards that he liked him very much, but he still "felt better balanced" on and preferred a *smaller* horse (like our dear old 12.3 molly!) i'm trying to persuade him that he should ride some more icelandics :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing now ice
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 11:06:07PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > While they can't avoid mud and ice in their natural world, they shouldn't > have to cope with balancing themselves AND the weight of a human on their > backs in extreme circumstances - especially if the rider isn't going to let > the horse use their head freely for balance, and let the horse pick the > appropriate speed and gait. That's just not nice. . i agree. i've done more trail riding in the past six weeks than i had in my entire life before then, and the main thing i've learned is that one of us is a surefooted, clever icelandic horse, and it isn't me. i ride stjarni on the trails on the buckle, and he pays very close attention to the terrain. he knows more about it than i probably ever could. (mind, this is one of the reasons i consider him "star the wonder pony", is that i can *do* this without concern for my safety. i went out the other evening with four other riders, three of whose horses wouldn't stand still while the fourth horse "tested" his rider by refusing to cross a bridge he'd been over before a thousand times. i just got stjarni out of the way, and he stood there just *looking* at them, as if to say, "american horses are very strange") --vicka
[IceHorses] Re: Holar now gait and shoeing
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How many of his horses gait at liberty? How many gait on a loose rein? I bought a gelding from Gudmar about the same time Vicka bought hers. My gelding is a tolt machine-no shoes, no boots, and tolts best on a loose rein! He came with regular shoes. We reset them at the first trim then left him barefoot for the winter. He is tolting the same as he did with shoes. I guess you will probably say he must be an exception to the rule, huh?
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
> For those who love long manes, here's a Morgan. A few more pictures of Sonny. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com <>
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
> I'm starting to think you don't really have any reason to think >there's anything wrong with this horse...? I'm starting to think you just want to argue! :o) Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] Holar
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 06:45:59PM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > Moral of the story is to ask someone outside the box for references! certainly. on the other hand, it's important that the references have met the person in question, too :) --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Long Mane
>>> Are you serious? No. But if you are so convinced this horse has such a sad life, can you say what makes you think that? I like to be able to see things, and if I'm missing something, I'd like to know what it is. I'm starting to think you don't really have any reason to think there's anything wrong with this horse...? Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
> Do fancy colored horses always lead a sad life? Are you serious? Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
RE: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing now ice
>>> Really though, you can't avoid all ice and mud in the pasture, impossible, but I'd rather not ride in no matter what kind of shoes or studs, it if I can avoid it at all, especially ice. While they can't avoid mud and ice in their natural world, they shouldn't have to cope with balancing themselves AND the weight of a human on their backs in extreme circumstances - especially if the rider isn't going to let the horse use their head freely for balance, and let the horse pick the appropriate speed and gait. That's just not nice. . Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Long Mane
I know, but for some reason, I got the same feeling. Maybe it's the stark colouring? I heard a while ago that someone kept a horse in the dark all the time so they wouldn't get discoloured by the sun... Melnir's color is awfully stark in the spring, when he first sheds out. He's outside 24x7, and he does get muddy, and he does fade eventually, but it wouldn't take much to keep the color stark. In fact, here in the south, some people keep their horses up during the heat of the day to give them some fly relief, and turn them out at night. It has nothing to do with protecting their color, but that is a side benefit. Maybe this horse is kept up all the time, but I don't think we can be sure of that from looking at one picture. BTW, what's wrong with his feet - someone mentioned that as a problem. I'm not sure I can see anything wrong with them. Looks like there's a little sand in that arena, so I can't tell how long they are - they don't look too long. Is that a reflection on the front foot that's planted, or some sand stuck to it? I thought for a minute that someone thought that might be a crack, but it doesn't look like it to me. I can't see them clearly enough to see a problem with them. What am I missing? Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Long Mane
>>> Karen AGAIN, it's not the mane, it is the WHOLE horse. What then? If itt's not the saddle, and it's not the mane...? If you see something so wrong, why can you tell me what I'm missing? Is it a secret? Do fancy colored horses always lead a sad life? I don't understand. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
i still would like to try a sensation sometime, although i suspect that being tall helps cary to mount -- my 6'2" husband has no problems vaulting onto stjarni, whereas i just end up eating dust :) Cary is not only tall, but he has some serious joint problems that have surfaced over the past year - from past years of running. He may need joint replacements. Mounting is the hardest part of riding for him now. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing now ice
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK. And how does that work in regard to the way a > horse's foot "slides" > into place? > Are we talking about riding on ice? I would really avoid that, I won't even ride in heavy mud. We have some really good mud around here and the 14 year old girl where I board was riding her barefoot horse in the mud, on hills and the horse fell and somehow kicked her in the eye. She was just mad because she didn't even get a black eye:) Really though, you can't avoid all ice and mud in the pasture, impossible, but I'd rather not ride in no matter what kind of shoes or studs, it if I can avoid it at all, especially ice. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Long Mane
>>> Actually I didn't even notice the saddle, had to go back to look. No Karen >>> I'm looking at the horse, the whole horse, a sad horse. Maybe I'm wrong, I >>> hope so, he is too beautiful to suffer the type of horse keeping I imagine >>> he is subjected to satisfy someone's ego. What kind of horse-keeping? Do people keep Morgans in any special way? Why do you think he's suffering? Do you know this horse? Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 06:09:27PM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > >> For the most part, the iceland-style training works on forcing gait (for > >> example, with the heavy contact), or obtaining gait mechanically, by > >> manipulating shoes, angles, weights, concussion, etc. > > > > so you say. i did not, however, see this evident in the one > > shod-by-a-holar-alum horse i've viewed extensively, nor did i > > see it in the other horses at his barn, who all appeared to have > > quite straightforward "four plain shoes all around" > > How many of his horses gait at liberty? How many gait on a loose rein? i didn't observe his horses enough to say, except for stjarni, who gaits both at liberty (though maybe not as much as he trots) and on a loose rein (first demonstrated to me by gudmar; now stjarni will do it for me, too, if i make sure he still knows i want tolt -- i use a voice command to reinforce this, which gudmar did not). > Were the horses ridden with boots? not that i ever saw, in my couple of days there. i did put boots on stjarni once, rear ones over his cannon bones, after he stocked up from being kept in a stall for two days. i don't think it changed his gaits much, but it did bring the swelling down, and i haven't used them since. this btw was on the advice of a friend with 35 years of horsekeeping and barn management, not a gaited-horse person and certainly not gudmar. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
> No, Cheryl - Janice has had Jaspar a long time. Okay wrong horse. > Would you make the same rash judgments about... say - Kalman? Karen AGAIN, it's not the mane, it is the WHOLE horse. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 07:04:55PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > Of all the treeless saddles I've tried, I like the Ansurs the least. just my luck! --vicka (still misses her stubben rex, which wouldn't fit stjarni at all)
Re: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 06:53:28PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > It is my experience that a > treed saddle is best to mount from the IF the tree is fairly tight which > keeps the saddle in place. my hrimnir slides an inch or so as i clamber up if i don't use a block. a few small circles (a trick i was taught for the ansur) and we're back in the middle, though. > Even Cary, big as he is, and with knee and hip problems, can mount the > Sensation from the ground. He normally mounts with a block, but he can > remount on the trail with no more trouble in the Sensation than with a treed > saddle. i still would like to try a sensation sometime, although i suspect that being tall helps cary to mount -- my 6'2" husband has no problems vaulting onto stjarni, whereas i just end up eating dust :) > I really do think that riding in treeless > saddles makes you face some of your weaknesses that you can ignore in a > treed saddle. *nod* i think that was certainly the case with the ansurs. not only our own weaknesses as riders, but surpassingly aware of each and every contour of our horse's back, every time we tacked up. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Little Kids
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 03:40:12PM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > It has been a joy to see my long-time friend's son, who I knew as a little > boy, grow up (with horses), be married, and have a little girl. who has > had her first ride on Eir (aka Penny). my goodness, that little girl is the happiest person in the world :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
> Ok, now I'm really curious. What's so wrong? The saddle? Actually I didn't even notice the saddle, had to go back to look. No Karen I'm looking at the horse, the whole horse, a sad horse. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope so, he is too beautiful to suffer the type of horse keeping I imagine he is subjected to satisfy someone's ego. You see a happy clean horse, I don't, but hey that's okay! :o) Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 06:06:27PM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > >>> how's that for a bunch of speculating? > > Pretty good! aww, thanks :) > >> [] Horseshoes with borium > > > [...] > How would they work if a horse was shod on only two feet? presuming it was the front feet, my impression is that those are the feet that carry most of the horse's weight -- the forefeet being under the heavy structure of the shoulders and doing most of the support for the head and neck as well. so i'd guess that if the back feet slipped, it would be like when your foot slips after you've already taken most of your weight off it -- a bit disorienting, but unlikely to make you fall down. (this happened to me this morning, walking the dog sans yaktrax. it was sunny, and i failed to check the thermometer...) > >> [] Horseshoes with studs > > > > (things that stick out further than the shoe surface), my first guess > > would be that they work like borium in providing more scratch and grip. > > OK. And how does that work in regard to the way a horse's foot "slides" > into place? i don't know enough about the mechanism of this to say. when i look at a horse's footprints (we were just at the beach a couple weeks ago, so i had a great opportunity to do this for several different horses at a variety of gaits!) most of the prints were pretty clear, like a single stamp, without evidence of "slide" from one place to another. or do you mean that the heel and toe (or outside and inside, like on skates?) get set down in some order, and the "slide" is between one part of the foot and another? thanks for discussing such an interesting topic! --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 03:36:11PM -0800, Robyn Hood wrote: > I have used at least 12 different treeless saddles and also use the Balance > treed saddles which have a wide enough tree to give the horse room for the > shoulders. It is my experience, that while Dana recommends mounting from a > block and I like to do so anyway for my horse, that I can mount with less > slippage with the Sensation than with any other treeless saddles and without > any special padding like a DM pad or burr pad etc. It is my experience that > a treed saddle is best to mount from the IF the tree is fairly tight which > keeps the saddle in place. > > You know that in the military they used to say that you weren't a rider > until you could mount without a girth and then ride 100 miles. They > generally used horses around 15Hds. The ease with which a person can do > this depends on several things - most importantly their athletic spryness, > the persons height relative to the horses; the width of the horse and of > course how desperately you need to get on and can stop laughing as you try. > :->> i have tried and failed to vault onto 14hh stjarni (bareback), although i had previously managed a 12.3 horse. everybody did get a laugh out of it anyway, stjarni i think included :) if i ever get the chance, i would love to try a sensation; everyone speaks so highly of them! my bank account is still trying to recover from the purchase of the actual pony, though, along with some other things i deemed more immediately necessary (major medical insurance was the last hge check) --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Long Mane
>>> Interesting comparison. They probably lived in similar situations (pre Janice) other than that one had a clean prison I mean stall. Cheryl No, Cheryl - Janice has had Jaspar a long time. You're talking about her old stallion, Gallant Boy, the one she just got. Jaspar has been living in a normal situation for a good while. I think he's about eight years old maybe. Would you make the same rash judgments about... say - Kalman? Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Long Mane
Karen it's not just the "long mane" it's the whole picture. Ok, now I'm really curious. What's so wrong? The saddle? Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
> Janice's Jaspar has an awfully long mane> Interesting comparison. They probably lived in similar situations (pre Janice) other than that one had a clean prison I mean stall. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
>> that have the really long manes - implying that they never get out? Karen it's not just the "long mane" it's the whole picture. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
> How do you know that he doesn't get to roll in the mud sometimes? Mud > washes out. Do people say that sort of thing about some of the Icelandic's > that have the really long manes - implying that they never get out? I don't > know that horse myself. I have no idea whether he gets outside or not. > Janice's Jaspar has an awfully long mane, and he lives outside. I know, but for some reason, I got the same feeling. Maybe it's the stark colouring? I heard a while ago that someone kept a horse in the dark all the time so they wouldn't get discoloured by the sun... The thought of that horse ran through my mind when I opened the pic Judy sent. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Long Mane
Poor boy! I bet he would love to roll in some mud! How do you know that he doesn't get to roll in the mud sometimes? Mud washes out. Do people say that sort of thing about some of the Icelandic's that have the really long manes - implying that they never get out? I don't know that horse myself. I have no idea whether he gets outside or not. Janice's Jaspar has an awfully long mane, and he lives outside. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Holar
>> he studied equine science at holar university, which is considered >> quite progressive). >> >> By whom? > > the people i've spoken to who plan to study there, or are alums. My husband got a call from a pretty high-level person, asking for an appointment to see him. This person wanted to offer him a teaching job. We knew they had just hired someone a few months ago, so my husband asked, "Don't you have someone teaching now?" She replied that they did, so he asked what the problem was. She informed him that the current teacher wasn't working out, as he wasn't very good. We knew this person; he was a very nice guy, but not a really good teacher. So, my husband asked why they hired him. The lady responded that they had heard he was good. My husband, dumbfounded that anyone would have rated him as a good teacher, asked where she had heard that. She replied that the fella had told her himself, that he was good. Moral of the story is to ask someone outside the box for references! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Extremes and Breed Standard / Natural Gait
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I'm not sure exactly, but you send it to the > KMSHA, I guess it would be > like having to send it to the USIHC. > > At one time you could do something similar to get a > horse approved as > breeding stock for the RMH's too. RMH registry is still open for now, but only for foals bred at a certain time and the cutoff to get them registered grade mare is Nov. 2007, mine is eligible having one Rocky parent, but I'm not going to be riding her by that time, so I can't do the video. I think both the RMH and KMSH make you send videos of all horses to be approved prior to permanent registry. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
On 11/01/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For those who love long manes, here's a Morgan. Looks like that horse has never come in from pasture full of burrs... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
>>> how's that for a bunch of speculating? Pretty good! >> [] Horseshoes with borium > > VERY HARD AND VERY SLICK surfaces -- glare ice > and marble floors -- they aren't sharp enough to cut in, and thus i have > to walk a bit more carefully on them. but mostly they keep me from > slipping to the point where i don't even worry about it. How would they work if a horse was shod on only two feet? >> [] Horseshoes with studs > > (things that stick out further than the shoe surface), my first guess > would be that they work like borium in providing more scratch and grip. OK. And how does that work in regard to the way a horse's foot "slides" into place? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: Holar now gait and shoeing
When riding on ice/snow: Shoes- the worst thing you can do. You might as well put on ice skates Shoes with borium- not bad at helping stop sliding on ice. Must pad to help with the snowballs in the foot. I find with smaller feet which most Icelandics would have the rim pads work the very best. They also leave the foot open to breathe. One downfall, the horse is on 4 points with each shoe. They may not always be even. Also if put on the shoe wrong they can also make ice skates (I had a "farrier" do this to my horse once, it was almost a disaster before I knew what was going wrong). Shoes with studs- these are the best in ice. They do not dull with use and hold up better than borium. Also need pads for snow balls. These shoes also place the foot up on 4 points, but they should be even. Both of the two above do end up putting some pressure on the joints since they do have a grip to them when the foot lands. Barefoot-a great way to keep your horse if you do not plan on riding in ice. The hoof will develop a sharpness that helps the horse not to slip. Definitely not as secure in slippery footing as either of the two above. A number of people will use borium or studs on the front and barefoot behind. Not quite as secure as all four, but not a bad deciision if it is safe enough for you and your horse. Susan Cushing
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
>> For the most part, the iceland-style training works on forcing gait (for >> example, with the heavy contact), or obtaining gait mechanically, by >> manipulating shoes, angles, weights, concussion, etc. > > so you say. i did not, however, see this evident in the one > shod-by-a-holar-alum horse i've viewed extensively, nor did i > see it in the other horses at his barn, who all appeared to have > quite straightforward "four plain shoes all around" How many of his horses gait at liberty? How many gait on a loose rein? Were the horses ridden with boots? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
>> >>>holar does teach farriery; gudmar learned it there, >> >> But not state-of-the-art farriery. It seems to be pretty much limited to >> "horseshoeing". > > presumably one can learn state-of-the-art farriery at some > more specialized place, or as an apprentice or somesuch, if > one intends particularly to be a farrier? Sure. One of the guys went to Iceland and did their farrier course for a few months, came back to the states and advertised himself as a Master Farrier. It takes years and years to become a Master Farrier (including tests and certifications). Maybe they lead him to believe he was a Master Farrier; maybe he placed that title upon himself; not sure. I understand that for one of the last evaluations, they brought in a horseshoer from Iceland to shoe all the horses. Wonder why? There are three good reasons for using shoes: [] Protection [] Traction [] Therapeutic There is one "excuse" for using shoes: [] Gait Manipulation Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
Wow, take about chrome. He is beautiful, until you get to his hooves! Poor boy! I bet he would love to roll in some mud! Here is a photo of my happy boy... Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<>
Re: [IceHorses] Shark fin wither
On 1/11/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if you do the padding it cant be ON the wither, but on each side to > lift things OFF the wither. My Skito pad has a channel so if I put more padding it should lift the channel up higher. I wrote to Melissa at Nickers about it and the following is her response (hope she doesn't mind me sharing information): "While we do not recommend any treeless saddle for a high withered horse, it does depend on several things. First of all the heavier the rider and the narrower/higher the horse, the worse the combination would be. That being said, we do have several average sized riders who report success using their Sensation on a narrower, high withered horse. Generally with a higher wither, you want to have a good firm support pad, and it would be best to ride hard use. The firm support means that the foam does not squish as much when weight is applied to it. We have had some success with casual riders locally with higher withers when paired with a Burr pad or a skito pad with some firm felt inserts. The only thing you can really do is try it - keep a close eye on the horse, as they will usually tell you if they are uncomfortable. Also, be sure that the sweat marks are even, looking especially for dry spots where the stirrup leathers are, as this would be the first place to display pressure, generally." V
RE: [IceHorses] Extremes and Breed Standard / Natural Gait
>>> I'm not sure exactly, but you send it to the KMSHA, I guess it would be like having to send it to the USIHC. At one time you could do something similar to get a horse approved as breeding stock for the RMH's too. I bred Holly to a Rocky stallion, but unfortunately, that was about the time she developed her thyroid (or whatever) problems and she lost the baby very early in the pregnancy. I can't remember the exact terms but I could have had Holly approved to some status and the foal would have been registerable I believe. It's been over 10 years so I don't remember exactly. Holly actually looked more like those Rockies than she did like the local TWH. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Extremes and Breed Standard / Natural Gait
--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for that explanation. Who judges the videos > to make the decision > about the permanent registration? > I'm not sure exactly, but you send it to the KMSHA, I guess it would be like having to send it to the USIHC. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Extremes and Breed Standard / Natural Gait
Hi Kim >I don't think they have an evaluation process like >they have for breeding in Icelandics. I think the >registration process is really like a "certification" >to be able to breed. I can register my filly >temporarily by showing that her parents are both >certified, but I cannot permanently register her Thanks for that explanation. Who judges the videos to make the decision about the permanent registration? Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
>>> when i was at centered-riding camp (on a narrow, unevenly-muscled, high-withered ottb) we spent a lot of time perfecting the centeredness of our treeless saddles (ansurs), Of all the treeless saddles I've tried, I like the Ansurs the least. They felt like they'd roll easier than about any I tried, and there just wasn't much too them - plus they sat down on the horse's back and it made me nervous that they'd rub the withers if I weren't careful. I thought they felt like VERY expensive bareback pads. I've ridden in Ansurs, Bob Marshalls, Torsions, a Freeform, a Barefoot Cheyenne, and several Sensations - seems like I'm missing one but I can't think which. Oh yeah, the Balance Soft Option, part-treed saddle - I liked it pretty well, but still not as well as the Sensation. And the Diddi pad. My favorite by far is the Sensation, and my least favorite the Ansur. . Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Scooter in his new treeless
>>> Looks like a nice saddle but I wonder if it is too long for Scooter? I don't think the seat looks any longer than the Barefoot Cheyenne's seat, and they aren't too long for many Icelandics. I would expect that the extra skirt is like the material of the Cheyenne - very "floppy." If the cantle is a little too far back, she can always remove the fiberglass form and restuff it will soft wool or polyester filling. I took both the pommel and the cantle out of mine and restuffed them, to make them softer. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
>>> It is my experience, that while Dana recommends mounting from a block and I like to do so anyway for my horse, that I can mount with less slippage with the Sensation than with any other treeless saddles and without any special padding like a DM pad or burr pad etc. It is my experience that a treed saddle is best to mount from the IF the tree is fairly tight which keeps the saddle in place. Even Cary, big as he is, and with knee and hip problems, can mount the Sensation from the ground. He normally mounts with a block, but he can remount on the trail with no more trouble in the Sensation than with a treed saddle. >>> It is my experience that a treed saddle is best to mount from the IF the tree is fairly tight which keeps the saddle in place. I think you're right, and when you think about it in those terms, I don't really want the saddle to be so tight to make it easy for mounting. It didn't take us long to adjust our mounting styles to be able to mount the treeless saddles just fine - and that's probably something we should have been doing all along anyway. I really do think that riding in treeless saddles makes you face some of your weaknesses that you can ignore in a treed saddle. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Scooter in his new treeless
Hi Lorraine >Love my new treeless. You'll have to excuse the sheet under the pad. I >was trying it out. I will send new pictures later. Lorraine Looks like a nice saddle but I wonder if it is too long for Scooter? Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Scooter in his new treeless
>>> Love my new treeless. He's so cute! It looks nice on him. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
>>> I feel like an outsider. I got my new barefoot arizona. Love it. I can't believe how cool treeless is. Lorraine Treeless IS cool, isn't it? Do you think Scooter likes it too? Getting a saddle that fits and doesn't pinch can go a long way towards smoothing out a relationship with a new horse! I hope it works well for both of you. I haven't ridden in the Arizona, but I have a Cheyenne. I think the seats are about the same, just that the Arizona has a horn and a bigger skirt. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
> I feel like an outsider. I got my new barefoot arizona. Love it. I > can't believe how cool treeless is. Lorraine Why do you feel like an outsider? If you have a treeless, you are an insider!! Send pictures. Can you see your messages now? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] My hybrid!
Janice McDonald wrote: >> I just sold my black and brown one - >> >> Karen Thomas >> > I bought it! nah na n no! It looks just as good as > yours! Looks just like it in fact haha. Since Tivar's throatlatch is > too short and has to be replaced I am gonna find a caramel colored one > online so his sidepull will be black and brown too! And I already got > a little brass name plate for the browband that says TIVAR and I am > gonna get some caramel color based fancy glass CONCHOS and then my > horse will be cuter than your horse! HA > Janice :) I think you might mean my hybrid unless Cherie has posted a pic of hers too? No way is your horse gonna look fancier than mine...I'm digging out my purple rhythm beads, green horsefeathers, I'm gonna write "Starri" in big gold permanent Sharpie letters across his black beta browband...heck, I'm gonna scatter gold Twinkle dust in his tail and HUGE mane (thanks to his raging hormones)...and I'm gonna do that special rune clip too! ;-) Trish
RE: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
Hi Vicka, >i feel like an outsider myself -- i still use a saddle with a tree (and >from iceland, at that :) i have a question for all you treeless users, >though -- how do you deal with mounting/dismounting? when i was at >centered-riding camp (on a narrow, unevenly-muscled, high-withered ottb) I have used at least 12 different treeless saddles and also use the Balance treed saddles which have a wide enough tree to give the horse room for the shoulders. It is my experience, that while Dana recommends mounting from a block and I like to do so anyway for my horse, that I can mount with less slippage with the Sensation than with any other treeless saddles and without any special padding like a DM pad or burr pad etc. It is my experience that a treed saddle is best to mount from the IF the tree is fairly tight which keeps the saddle in place. You know that in the military they used to say that you weren't a rider until you could mount without a girth and then ride 100 miles. They generally used horses around 15Hds. The ease with which a person can do this depends on several things - most importantly their athletic spryness, the persons height relative to the horses; the width of the horse and of course how desperately you need to get on and can stop laughing as you try. :->> Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -Original Message- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 11:12:23PM -, Lorraine Voog wrote: > I feel like an outsider. I got my new barefoot arizona. Love it. I > can't believe how cool treeless is. Lorraine i feel like an outsider myself -- i still use a saddle with a tree (and from iceland, at that :) i have a question for all you treeless users, though -- how do you deal with mounting/dismounting? when i was at centered-riding camp (on a narrow, unevenly-muscled, high-withered ottb) we spent a lot of time perfecting the centeredness of our treeless saddles (ansurs), and even so, it took an extra-high mounting block and a bit of a leap to mount or dismount without disturbing it. (i got off on the trail the other day to look at some mushrooms, and climbed back up from the ground without much effort -- in the ring i usually use a mounting block to save wear and tear on my pony's back, but it was nice not to have to worry about that in the woods...) --vicka
[IceHorses] Re: My hybrid!
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > but seriously your hybrid is awesome!! I feel like an outsider. I got my new barefoot arizona. Love it. I can't believe how cool treeless is. Lorraine
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
>> [] Horseshoes with nails > > Do you mean studs? Yes, I meant to say "ice nails"; I should have said studs! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] My hybrid!
On 1/10/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Hey! Where's mine! I'm getting a brown and black one too! > > I just sold my black and brown one - it was a custom trail with slightly > shortened flaps. Someone on the list bought it...I guess she can be in your > black and brown club. :) > > Karen Thomas > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I bought it! nah na n no! It looks just as good as yours! Looks just like it in fact haha. Since Tivar's throatlatch is too short and has to be replaced I am gonna find a caramel colored one online so his sidepull will be black and brown too! And I already got a little brass name plate for the browband that says TIVAR and I am gonna get some caramel color based fancy glass CONCHOS and then my horse will be cuter than your horse! HA Janice :) -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Shark fin wither
On 1/11/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/11/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > but I have not heard it called "shark fin" > > before. > > That's what it looks like to me. LOL > > > > The sensation has a nice > > pommel that is almost like a cutback > > Yes, my Sensation is cut back at the pommel and my Skito follows it so > maybe it will work. I'm just wondering if I put some more padding in > the Skito it would be beneficial. > V > if you do the padding it cant be ON the wither, but on each side to lift things OFF the wither. If you pad all the way across what happens is your weight in the saddle will pull everything down and pull the pad down tighter across the withers. Thats why a horse like this cant wear a wide tree, cause it rests right on the withers. but better to have a wide tree or treeless padded up on either side of the withers than a too narrow tree leaving white spots I think!! I tried my bona allen on jaspar with the reverse lollipop and that worked but I like the sensation because it is so much lighter so I am fiddling with things to make it work. Will let you know what i find and please let me know! This is an aggravation! and so many walking horses and thoroughbreds have this withers conformation... you would think they would have figured something out for them saddle wise by now! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] You Tube
On 1/11/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I noticed when nasi was knocked out after being gelded he had a small > area with dandruff on his neck. Gat had dandruff all in her mane--I noticed it a lot during the summer but I don't see as much anymore. V
Re: [IceHorses] Sidepull with soft nose
On 1/10/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Been moseying around the web tonight...last pic features a sidepull with > a soft rope nose > > http://www.madtack.net/sidepulls.html > > Trish > I like the soft rope nose... the striped one :) janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] You Tube
On 1/11/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/11/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > if Orri was being evaluated he would have a "10" mane :) > > > Orri has a long forelock and mane but they're pretty shaggy. I've > been combing Gat's mane trying to distribute the oils more (hoping to > help the dandruff problem) and her mane is really coming nice--it even > looks longer. > V > I noticed when nasi was knocked out after being gelded he had a small area with dandruff on his neck. It wasnt in his mane. It was just a mystery spot. I wonder if it was an old scab that got well and then was flaking off... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] My hybrid!
but seriously your hybrid is awesome!! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How do the following compare when riding on snowy / > icey ground? What are > the mechanics involved? > > [] Horseshoes Slippery. > > [] Horseshoes with borium Slippery with something on them to try and stop them from being slippery. > > [] Horseshoes with nails Do you mean studs? > > [] Barefoot This works ok, of course ice is always slippery, but I think they can feel the ground better and hooves aren't really as slick as metal on ice, plus the great part is that a nice hard frozen ground can help to wear the hooves naturally. I am still waiting for this, I think it's a good thing. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Shark fin wither
On 1/11/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but I have not heard it called "shark fin" > before. That's what it looks like to me. LOL > The sensation has a nice > pommel that is almost like a cutback Yes, my Sensation is cut back at the pommel and my Skito follows it so maybe it will work. I'm just wondering if I put some more padding in the Skito it would be beneficial. V
Re: [IceHorses] Shark fin wither
On 1/11/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I went to the barn today to ride, the lesson horse I was assigned > to has a huge shark fin wither so I didn't use my Sensation. > > My lesson was less than OK--different horse, uncomfortable saddle, etc > etc so I asked my coach if I could try my Sensation on the horse, > Serenade since I'll be riding her again next lesson so he said OK. > > The Sensation looked OK on her so he told me I can try it--I can > always change the saddle if it doesn't work out. Any tips on how I > can make sure it will fit OK (extra padding, etc)? > > Thanks, > Virginia > I have the same problem! but I have not heard it called "shark fin" before. I have tried a lot of things. The thing I am going to try next on jaspar with the sensation is a cashel reverse lollipop wedge. It has worked on him before with other saddles. If I put it so it fills the dip that drops off right behind the withers it is short enough to stay off his prominent fistula vertebra bumps. Also, a saddle pad that is "cutback" will work. The sensation has a nice pommel that is almost like a cutback I have found with Jas... janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Tack
Plus the new slip-on head collar (like a sidepull): > http://astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24&prod_cat=84&catalog_item=1381 > > Is that really like a sidepull, or is it more like a halter for leading? > It > looks to me like the lead-thingy (thingme?) goes under the jaw, making it > work sort of like a lead chain, just in leather? Am I seeing that wrong? Maybe sidepull was the wrong word to use. Not like our riding sidepulls. It seems to have a sliding rein from one side to the other, sliding in the off O-ring. It's new, so no idea what it's used for, or what it's intended to resemble. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Very interesting book!
>>> That's true! So wonder what is wrong with the "Paddock Paradise" idea
of keeping them moving?
I never said it was bad. I haven't read that book and I said that. I
really only got drawn into this at all because of Janice's ("she made me do
it!") joke that it was a book that she should have written because of some
of the rather obvious conclusions. I thought that was a hoot, because I've
had that feeling about him before. I have read some of Jamie Jackson's
other stuff and I just don't always agree with his conclusions, as to what's
cause and effect, like when Robyn questioned about the mustangs' feet
deteriorating when they were captured.I always thought that if his
reasoning were correct, I wouldn't know so many old horses in humid, muddy
NC with such very good feet. I can't read what he's written without a
little healthy skepticism - some of it may be good, but some of the good is
also very obvious to many good horsesmen.
Karen Thomas
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Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:55:12AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > How do the following compare when riding on snowy / icey ground? What are > the mechanics involved? i don't really know, but thinking of this as a "pre-test", here are my thoughts: > [] Horseshoes not so good -- snow clumps up inside them, which makes them slippery. > [] Horseshoes with borium i tend to equate this, subjectively, with my yaktrax (about which i have posted before). they add security of grip on ice, and dig a little deeper into snow. i can run comfortably with them on most winter surfaces. however, on VERY HARD AND VERY SLICK surfaces -- glare ice and marble floors -- they aren't sharp enough to cut in, and thus i have to walk a bit more carefully on them. but mostly they keep me from slipping to the point where i don't even worry about it. > [] Horseshoes with nails umm. i think most horse shoes are held on with nails, although i guess i've also heard of horse shoe glues? or if you mean caulks or studs (things that stick out further than the shoe surface), my first guess would be that they work like borium in providing more scratch and grip. but i've never seen these in real life, so i'm really speaking through my hat here. > [] Barefoot as far as i've observed, bare feet sometimes (but much more rarely than shoes) can have snow/ice pack in them. usually this seems not to happen, which i (guessing again rather) tend to attribute to the bare foot's tendency to spread a little under the pressure of the horse's weight, allowing snow to fall out. but i don't see a natural hoof wall as rough or "sticky" as borium; maybe more like boots than yaktrax :) how's that for a bunch of speculating? --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Extremes and Breed Standard / Mane Hormones
On 1/11/07, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have had mares, stallions and geldings with very long manes - one gelding > had a mane to his knees and it grew really quickly, same with some mares > with long manes and about the same number of stallions Here the geldings have longer manes, but that's because Star's mane collects stuff and I can't get it out, so I detangle her mane with scissors. ;) Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Tack
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:29:33AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > The "traditional" head stall (does anyone remember when the "traditional" > head stall was only one strap going across the poll? they seem to have one there: http://www.astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24&prod_cat=84&catalog_item=1087 i must admit that stjarni has a HUGE throatlatch, medium-sized brow, and smallish muzzle; this design is very tempting. (i do like the browband i already have, but i could just slip that on) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:39:07AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote:
> >>>holar does teach farriery; gudmar learned it there,
>
> But not state-of-the-art farriery. It seems to be pretty much limited to
> "horseshoeing".
presumably one can learn state-of-the-art farriery at some
more specialized place, or as an apprentice or somesuch, if
one intends particularly to be a farrier? i mean, i learned
basics of psychopharmacology in grad school, but i'd have to
get an md and do an internship and pass an exam to actually
become state-of-the-art ("board certified") about it.
--vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 02:04:19PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > maybe it's like borium in the usa, which is commonly used just on the > front feet (which are more weight-bearing). > > You certainly are quick to rush to say "maybe" when plenty of us have > already asked these questions and have gotten some unsatisfactory answers. and have failed to share them with me. > And "maybe" some people have thought this issue out for a longer time than > you have. and again, have failed to reveal their treasured wisdom with the likes of yours truly. alas, i go forth in my ignorance unhelped. > don't we always risk ourselves and our horses when we ride, no matter > what precautions we take? > > When someone takes that attitude, Vicka, it's usually not worth arguing with > them. That's a sure sign that the person trying to justify the answer that > they WANT to be the right one. i wish :/ --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Tack
>>>Plus the new slip-on head collar (like a sidepull): http://astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24&prod_cat=84&catalog_item=1381 Is that really like a sidepull, or is it more like a halter for leading? It looks to me like the lead-thingy (thingme?) goes under the jaw, making it work sort of like a lead chain, just in leather? Am I seeing that wrong? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 01:49:25PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > >>> > Gosh, Vicka, I'm not sure what you said above, but a gaited horse > should retain it's gait, at liberty, without shoes, without being dependent > upon angles. > > >>>well, you could read what i said again. > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I have to agree with Judy. I couldn't > follow what you were saying in that e-mail either. *staples hand to forehead* alas, i am forever misunderstood :) --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
maybe it's like borium in the usa, which is commonly used just on the front feet (which are more weight-bearing). You certainly are quick to rush to say "maybe" when plenty of us have already asked these questions and have gotten some unsatisfactory answers. And "maybe" some people have thought this issue out for a longer time than you have. don't we always risk ourselves and our horses when we ride, no matter what precautions we take? When someone takes that attitude, Vicka, it's usually not worth arguing with them. That's a sure sign that the person trying to justify the answer that they WANT to be the right one. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
i agree with > *minimizing* risk -- which is why i am a complete control freak about > helmets, borium in the winter, &c, and i quite agree with cancelling a > sleigh ride if it's icy Good on you! Kudos! How do the following compare when riding on snowy / icey ground? What are the mechanics involved? [] Horseshoes [] Horseshoes with borium [] Horseshoes with nails [] Barefoot Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
>>>holar does teach farriery; gudmar learned it there, But not state-of-the-art farriery. It seems to be pretty much limited to "horseshoeing". Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
>>> > Gosh, Vicka, I'm not sure what you said above, but a gaited horse should retain it's gait, at liberty, without shoes, without being dependent upon angles. >>>well, you could read what i said again. I wasn't going to say anything, but I have to agree with Judy. I couldn't follow what you were saying in that e-mail either. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 2:52 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Very interesting book!
>>> If you have flat land, I like the horse toys, you can put treats in and they have to roll them around to get them out. Just putting interesting things like boxes, plastic bags, platforms, cones, etc., under supervision, (like Karen and Judy have done) in a paddock that is familiar to them, is a great way to get them to use their minds and bodies. That's why this morning I mentioned the hills and streams that people talk about - I was thinking about the pasture toys we have. I love putting things out for the horses to play with, but honestly, you have to work to make them interesting. If you leave things in the pasture with them, they invariably seem to start ignoring them within minutes. We put a barrel in the pasture with the foals a couple of weeks ago - an object we thought was safe enough that we could leave in there. They rolled it for about 2-3 minutes, and it's been in exactly the same spot since, except for the one time Cary rolled it around for them again. Honestly, I think they get about as excited about their surroundings as we do about 10-year-old carpet. We do most of their "exposure" work by taking them outside their pasture or by taking objects in and out of the pasture. I've rarely had a horse maintain an interest in a "horse toy" for more than a couple of minutes if they have constant access to it. >>> My horses are in big, hilly pastures and the best grazing areas are fairly far from the water, so they get a lot of exercise walking back and forth. When I have to feed hay, I put it at a distance from the water. My old horses currently are on the one good fescue pasture at the back of our properties, and I have their water set up in the "runway" between the other two back pastures, so they have to walk up closer to the barn to drink. It keeps them moving and also insures that we can see them more often without having to always go look for them. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Tack
>>>It is a STEEL hackamore, a steel BAND across the nose. what horse on earth wouldnt behave with that... unless it was crazy and then nothing would stop it. Now THAT guy is someone oughta be barred from giving clinics imo...<<< That's not good! Astund has made some changes in the pictures of their equipment. Because of the way they've set up their website, you first have to go to: http://astund.is/ Then click onto English. Then go to Catalogue: http://astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24 Then to Bridles, Headstalls, and Nosebands: http://astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24&prod_cat=84 The "traditional" head stall (does anyone remember when the "traditional" head stall was only one strap going across the poll? and the discussions about why it wasn't possible to use a regular bridle with a browband and throat latch on icelandics?): http://astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24&prod_cat=84&catalog_item=1041 Not sure there's much room for adjustment with the browband and poll strap being attached at an O Ring. The dropped noseband (not as low and as tight as we usually see it!): http://astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24&prod_cat=84&catalog_item=1043 Plus the new slip-on head collar (like a sidepull): http://astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24&prod_cat=84&catalog_item=1381 Oh, bummer, the cribbing collar! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:07:09PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: > Anyway, I saw them putting what I think were screw-in caulks on the > horse's front feet when they unloaded the horses from the > trailers...but I didn't see them putting anything on the hind feet. > Is this common? maybe it's like borium in the usa, which is commonly used just on the front feet (which are more weight-bearing). if a horse slips with a front foot it is likelier to fall than if it slips with a hind foot. also, the borium (being scratchy, which is the point) is more hazardous if one horse kicks another. > I can't imagine needing to ride a horse so bad that I'd risk injuring it. don't we always risk ourselves and our horses when we ride, no matter what precautions we take? stjarni slipped in a mud puddle once at the trot, and his rider (a beginner child, still learning to post) fell right up on his neck, causing him to fall to both knees, and propelling herself off. there wasn't a thing the leader could have done. in this case neither rider nor pony was hurt, and after a few walks around the ring they were back to practicing. but the risk is always there, which is why we have all those big signs up at barns saying so. i agree with *minimizing* risk -- which is why i am a complete control freak about helmets, borium in the winter, &c, and i quite agree with cancelling a sleigh ride if it's icy -- but it's not going to go entirely away. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 04:54:53PM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > > i have no knowledge of farriery, but it seems that the > > "normal realms of shoeing" in iceland include practices > > you don't approve of. i guess i think being educated > > about the effects (whether or not they are within your > > idea of "normalcy", as long as they are things students > > are likely to encounter) is a good thing. > > > Gosh, Vicka, I'm not sure what you said above, but a gaited horse should > retain it's gait, at liberty, without shoes, without being dependent upon > angles. well, you could read what i said again. but it in no way contradicted what you said, either. holar does teach farriery; gudmar learned it there, and stjarni came with shoes (four plain shoes; i have no way to judge angles, but my next farrier didn't say they were odd) that gudmar had put on. stjarni's gaits have been fine, except that he got kind of clumsy when it was too long between trims, and his back feet were "ouchy" for a few weeks when they were first bare. right now he's shod in front (with borium, for the sake of ice -- it really is icy out today) and bare in back. i haven't noticed any changes in his gaits like that, unless something i'm attributing to our work on gaits (a more four-beat tolt with fewer breaks into trot, and better sustained trots with fewer breaks into tolt) is due to his new (standard for all breeds in this area) shoeing arrangement. > For the most part, the iceland-style training works on forcing gait (for > example, with the heavy contact), or obtaining gait mechanically, by > manipulating shoes, angles, weights, concussion, etc. so you say. i did not, however, see this evident in the one shod-by-a-holar-alum horse i've viewed extensively, nor did i see it in the other horses at his barn, who all appeared to have quite straightforward "four plain shoes all around" (they have a lot of sharp gravel trails, which is why they shoe in general; when i asked about changing stjarni to go barefoot gudmar said he thought it would be a good idea if my terrain was not nasty). > This type of gait is not solid. It will come and go, depending on tack, > footing, who is riding, contact, etc. honestly, it seems to me that all gaits come and go depending on tack &c. a saddle misplaced or misfit, as we discuss at length, can vastly affect gait. stjarni will offer me trot at once if i ask for it *just* the way he wants, but by and large he offers tolt to new riders, and if they post (mistaking it for trot) he paces. in mud, stjarni really prefers to walk, unless i make a fuss to push him through it. none of this seems odd to me; does it seem to you that he's not "solid" for these behaviors? > A solid natural gait is one that you can put grandma or a baby on, and the > horse will gait, if asked, whether the rider knows how to get gait or not. stjarni will tolt for anyone. he'll trot if asked nicely, and as he trots beautifully at liberty, i suspect this is the result of his experience (that some of his earlier riders preferred tolt). i guess my question is, should i not consider the trot one of his natural gaits? by the above standard i shouldn't, but i don't think that's very fair or descriptive of him or his abilities. > We'd like to see the training be more natural, allowing the gait to come out > and rise to the top when the horse is properly prepared. i agree with that! --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Extremes and Breed Standard / Mane Hormones
Hi I have had mares, stallions and geldings with very long manes - one gelding had a mane to his knees and it grew really quickly, same with some mares with long manes and about the same number of stallions - also had some of all sexes that their manes were thick but never seemed to change length. So I can't really imagine from my experience that hormones had anything to do with it. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Dandruff
> been combing Gat's mane trying to distribute the oils more (hoping to > help the dandruff problem) How about B vitamins? (I use yeast as a supplement for the B's.) Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Shark fin wither
When I went to the barn today to ride, the lesson horse I was assigned to has a huge shark fin wither so I didn't use my Sensation. My lesson was less than OK--different horse, uncomfortable saddle, etc etc so I asked my coach if I could try my Sensation on the horse, Serenade since I'll be riding her again next lesson so he said OK. The Sensation looked OK on her so he told me I can try it--I can always change the saddle if it doesn't work out. Any tips on how I can make sure it will fit OK (extra padding, etc)? Thanks, Virginia
Re: [IceHorses] You Tube
On 1/11/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if Orri was being evaluated he would have a "10" mane :) Orri has a long forelock and mane but they're pretty shaggy. I've been combing Gat's mane trying to distribute the oils more (hoping to help the dandruff problem) and her mane is really coming nice--it even looks longer. V
Re: [IceHorses] You Tube
On 1/11/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how do you feed kelp??! I never heard of that. This is the product I use: http://www.seaboost.ca/products/animals/products-kelp-plus-3.htm The vet suggested it when Gat had that cold last winter--said it would help boost her immunity. V
RE: [IceHorses] Tongue Over The Bit / Nosebands
I'm happy that you seem to have a gut feeling that using a tight noseband is a bad idea. In fact, Gina, it is a stupid, cruel, and utterly ignorant idea which is inflicted on horses by people who know nothing at all about horsemanship and who have no feeling and no care for the feeling in your horse or any horse. You understand from my above discussion that tying the horse's mouth shut can do absolutely nothing but intensify for the animal the feeling that he is choking or being choked by the rider. You, and all those false and ambitious competitors who call themselves "coaches" - those who may have suggested to you that the "solution" is to use a tight noseband -- need to know that, once a horse's incisor teeth are touching, no amount of tightening of the noseband can close the mouth any farther. Hey Janice - looks like Dr. Deb has renewed her long-standing New Year's resolution for candor too! That pretty much says it all, doesn't it? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] NLER Adoption Fees Waived
Hello Everyone, If you have been thinking about adopting now would be a terrific time. Due to the price of hay this winter and the overcrowding of our pastures we desperately need to find homes for some of the rescue horses. For these reasons we are waiving the adoption fee on all horses adopted by the end of January 2007. Please take a look at the list and if you or someone you know would be interested in any of our guys please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or give me a call at 301-305-0702. You can see photos of the horses available at http://www.nler.org/Horses_Available.html and you are welcome to visit us at the farm to meet them in person. Foxy Lady Foxy is an 9 year old black bay TB cross mare standing 15'3" that is a wonderful trail horse. She has a great disposition and loves to be groomed. Foxy has navicular and is on a B-L supplement to keep her comfortable. She has been schooled in English and may be suitable for very light trail riding and English Pleasure. Adoption fee: Waived Miss Penny Penny is a registered QH mare that is 18 years old and just a sweet, sweet girl. She may be OK for very light riding due to an old injury in left front. Penny was a great cow horse in her time and has been trained in roping and penning. She is retired now due to her injury and would make a wonderful companion. Adoption fee: Waived Fiery Onyx Onyx is a long yearling Morgan/Hackney cross filly from Manitoba, Canada. She is a ½ sister to Zephie. Onyx has come a long way in the short time that she has been with us, she is going to be a sweet girl and should mature around 15 hands. Adoption fee: Waived Black Zephyrus Zephie is a Hackney Horse/Percheron cross colt from Manitoba, Canada and a long yearling. He is a ½ brother to Onyx and is going to be a beautiful horse. We expect him to mature around 15 hands with great bone and beautiful movement. Adoption fee: Waived Roxie Roxie is a Haflinger cross that came from a neglectful situation. She is now in good health and ready for her new home. Roxie is about 14 hands and would be great for a child or small adult. Adoption fee: Waived Justice Justice is a sweet boy, about 17 years old and was a former Amish carriage horse. He is a QH/Morgan cross and is in great health. Justice is looking for his new forever home. Adoption fee: Waived Carmen Carmen is a 13'2" BLM Mustang and has been ridden by children for the past 5 years. Her 2006 foal has been weaned and Carmen is ready for her new home. Adoption fee: Waived Lily Lily is a very sweet 7 month old Mustang filly and is ready for her new forever home. Adoption fee: Waived Dixie Dixie is a 20 year old TB mare that is healthy and just wants a new home where she can be some ones best friend. Dixie has recently completed treatment for EPM and now has a clean bill of health. Adoption fee: Waived Thanks, Cathy Cathy L. Yingling, CESMT New Life Equine Rescue, Inc. Phone: 301-305-0702 www.nler.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] You Tube
On 1/11/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The server compresses the videos when they are too high in resolution. I'll have to figure out how to change the resolution. > Another consideration did you use your zoom when you took this video? I may have...I don't remember V
RE: [IceHorses] Can't see messages
Hi Anneliese, I don't always get my mail either, or I get it days later than I know other people must have gotten it. I also get some mail twice - my own as well. The mysteries of the internet I guess. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Tongue Over The Bit / Nosebands
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the horse does not happen to get its tongue over > the bit, it will > continue to retract it, and this effort causes the > mass of the tongue (the > tongue is the largest muscle from the middle of the > neck forward) to wad up > in the pharynx, which is the chamber at the back of > the animal's mouth. In > order to breathe, all the air the horse takes in > must cross the pharynx in > order to get to the lungs. If half of the tongue is > stuffed into the > pharynx, it blocks the airway, causing the animal > various levels of distress > depending upon how much retraction. Why not just use a sidepull if it bothers them this much. It does bother Celie this much, and I'm not going to use a bit on her. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Can't see messages
On 1/11/07, Lorraine Voog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't see my messages or postings. What is wrong? Lorraine > > Happy Trails > > - do you see dead people? ar ar ar Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Can't see messages
>>> I can't see my messages or postings. What is wrong? Lorraine >> >> I don't either. Apparently it has something to do with g-mail. That's what >> Eric (my computer wizard son) said. > > Explain what is happening? When did it start? Are you receiving messages? > Are they blank? or just your own posts? Hello Judy: I really don't know what is going on for sure. I used to get my own mails along with everyone else's. For several months now, I have not been getting most of my own mails; so I don't know if and when they do get to the list unless someone answers. I don't remember exactly when it started but it's been about two or three months. I think I receive everyone else's messages; there are plenty of them anyway. I don't receive any blank messages. I know you like puzzles - so here's a challenge for you. All the best, Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] Cantle Bags
>>> Look on this site. They have a blue one that's the same as our gray one. There's also one called Solo that looks good but has a bit less space, and one called Naviti that holds two water bottles. That Naviti really looks pretty big - makes me wish I'd been wearing it when I fell and broke my back...Wonder if it would make a good protective brace for my lumbar spine? :) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Holar now gait and shoeing
>> Thank goodness ALL trainers and clinicians aren't that way, but WAY too >> many are only concerned with making a quick buck by keeping the masses >> confused. > > There is a Gaits of Gold clinician in Georgia that had tried to > schedule a clinic up here. She required you to have 'the' bit and be > trialing 'the' saddle when she came. She used to be on the gaitedhorse list, way back in the beginning. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Tongue Over The Bit / Nosebands
Dr. Deb on the tongue over the bit, and nosebands: ..in general there is only one reason that horses try persistently to get their tongue over the bit -- and that is, that they are still at the stage where they regard the bit as a foreign object in their mouth, and their response to this is to try to spit it out. When they discover that they can't spit it out, they then, because they still don't emotionally or conceptually accept having a bit in their mouth, try to withdraw or retract the tongue so as, as far as possible, to avoid touching it with their tongue. When they retract their tongue, it seems to most riders that what the horse is trying to do is get the tongue over the bit. Sometimes, the effort that the horse makes to retract the tongue is sufficient that the tongue actually does wind up over the bit; but then you will have noticed that they continue to make wierd, floppy and twisty kinds of movements with their tongue, because their real objective is still to try not to touch the bit, and having the bit up against the frenulum under the tongue is like going from the frying pan into the fire. In effect, having succeeded in getting their tongue over the bit, they don't go quiet -- which would indicate that this was their objective. Instead, it seems that just as soon as they get their tongue over the bit, they are trying to get it back under it again. In other words, they only accidentally got their tongue over the bit. If the horse does not happen to get its tongue over the bit, it will continue to retract it, and this effort causes the mass of the tongue (the tongue is the largest muscle from the middle of the neck forward) to wad up in the pharynx, which is the chamber at the back of the animal's mouth. In order to breathe, all the air the horse takes in must cross the pharynx in order to get to the lungs. If half of the tongue is stuffed into the pharynx, it blocks the airway, causing the animal various levels of distress depending upon how much retraction. The "distress" the animal exhibits will include reluctance to move, reluctance to perform at full level, inability to concentrate or pay attention (because they are worried about being able to breathe), various types of head-tossing, trying to grab the bit or yank down on the reins. I'm happy that you seem to have a gut feeling that using a tight noseband is a bad idea. In fact, Gina, it is a stupid, cruel, and utterly ignorant idea which is inflicted on horses by people who know nothing at all about horsemanship and who have no feeling and no care for the feeling in your horse or any horse. You understand from my above discussion that tying the horse's mouth shut can do absolutely nothing but intensify for the animal the feeling that he is choking or being choked by the rider. You, and all those false and ambitious competitors who call themselves "coaches" -- those who may have suggested to you that the "solution" is to use a tight noseband -- need to know that, once a horse's incisor teeth are touching, no amount of tightening of the noseband can close the mouth any farther. To close the mouth farther, you would have to fracture the jaws. All the tight noseband does is make it impossible for the horse to shift the position of his jaws and tongue, and thus to totally deprive him of the ability to give himself any relief from whatever wrong position the tongue may be in. The only RIGHT way to address this problem is to teach the horse that he can be OK with a bit -- a foreign object -- in his mouth. Tying the bit up helps the horse to accept the bit (emotionally) and to understand (intellectually or conceptually) that it is a tool of communication and not a means intended to hurt him. Tying it up does this by raising the bit in the mouth -- raising "up" toward the horse's rostrum, not "up" toward his eyes -- so that it weighs less heavily upon the tongue, and so that it is easier for the horse to feel comfortable extending his tongue out forward underneath the bit. Riding him with the bit tied up to his foretop, or tied up around the top of his nose/rostrum, you'll ride him this way for a few days and then very gradually lengthen the strings until they can be removed. You will also completely remove the noseband -- any noseband, of any kind., and continually invite the horse to open his mouth and to make chewing motions with his jaws while wearing the bit. You do this by "twirling the head", and by following an ironclad rule that EVERY TIME the horse complies with your SLIGHTEST request, you will reward him by dropping ALL pressure from the bit -- drop to the buckle or drop the reins on his neck. You take a few steps, apply pressure with the bit that is "aimed at" a particular one of his feet, and when that foot slows down or stops, you drop those reins. This is how you teach a horse to stop. You must also teach him to turn. To do this, you use an opening rein in order to
