RE: [IceHorses] Gypsy Vanner / Icelandic Cross For Sale
I ring stewarded a local show today... and was approached by a gal who has a smallish WB who wants to cross with some sport ponies. I think that as American's we have a different view of cross breds, because as long as my mare meets certain criteria she can be accepted into the Sport Pony mare book and her babies would be 'cross breds' but would be registerable as long as they pass inspection. ... Is that cross breeding? Or is it bettering the breed because I have a 'nice' mare? Sport Ponies probably can't be considered a breed, but instead a registry. I'm not saying that's bad, just that it's a little different.But, regardless, I bought the QH X Mustang mare, Gracie, as a weanling because I knew her mom, several aunts and uncles, and her grandsire, all on the QH side. I have no idea why her mom's elderly owner decided to breed her, and to a mustang instead of another QH, but he did, and then realized his health wasn't good enough to keep up with a mare and foal. I bought her quickly to get her out of her situation, before he changed his mind - I'd tried to buy her mom before and he wouldn't sell her. Gracie has a lot of characteristics of her mom's family, three correct and lovely gaits for hunter and/or dressage use, so I looked into having her registered as either a Sport Pony or an American Warmblood - she would have had to qualify for either. (I think I remember that she ended up marginally too small at 14.1 1/2 H to qualify for the American Warmbloods, but that was a while ago.) I doubt I would have ever gone through with breeding her anyway, but then she developed the back problems when she was about 6 years old, so that clinched my decision. She recovered from the problem, but we never knew exactly what caused it, other than acupuncture stopped the symptoms. The vets who did the full workup for her back at Va. Tech actually said she was a good candidate to be a breeding mare, but I just couldn't think about breeding her any more. I wouldn't risk her back pain recurring, nor would I want any baby to end up with similar back problems. I never pursued registering her after that, although she has been a nice riding horse again since the acupuncture. She's never been bred, and is the last type of horse I'd ever consider mixing with an Icelandic - she's just way too different to have any clue what might result. If people want to get picky, a lot of horses who've been to the Olympics are mutts - some American and some European...but they are some darned valuable and talented mutts. Personally, I'm not as offended by people breeding compatible, nicely conformed, talented horses of different breeds as I am by people who think it's ok to breed any horse just because the horse happens to be registered, no matter what problems the registered horse might have. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] OT--Is it bad manners?
I was thinking of sending flowers and a get-well card to my girlfriends father--he was just diagnosed with tumours on his liver and she told me that the doctors give 3 to 4 months to live. He was just sent home and is on morphine, tired, feeling angry. I don't know if it's a good thing to send flowers, would a card be a better idea? V _ RealLiveMoms: Share your experience with Real Live Moms just like you http://www.reallivemoms.ca/
Re: [IceHorses] Spring clipping ?
On 3/25/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At what point is it too late to clip a horse in the spring, for fear of clipping the emerging spring coat? Karen - I asked this same question last year so you might check the archives to see if there were any insightful answers. As far as I can remember, it seems like it depends on the individual horse and the consensus was that the black horses shed out the last of all - that is certainly my experience. I clipped Doppa last year well into April and didn't see any difference in her summer coat but her summer coat comes in much later then a lot of the other horses. What I did last year that worked well for me, is every other week from March 1 until mid April, I just keep expanding her trace clip until in Mid April she has a whole body clip. I am doing the same this year and is keeping her comfortable during the day with something left for the cool nights. I never clip her belly or her head or tail head - I let those shed out naturally because it just gives her a little extra time with more protection from the flies and no-see-ums. I think she would have been totally miserable this weekend with this heat if she hadn't been mostly clipped. -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] OT--Is it bad manners?
A nice card and flowers are appreciated. ... a thinking of you type of thing. If he doesn't enjoy it, it will certainly give his caregivers a boost. Gift certificates for pizzas or other 'delivery' meals are always good too. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] OT--Is it bad manners?
From: Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] A nice card and flowers are appreciated. ... a thinking of you type of thing. If he doesn't enjoy it, it will certainly give his caregivers a boost. Gift certificates for pizzas or other 'delivery' meals are always good too. Thank you Wanda. V _ http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!399
Re: [IceHorses] Gypsy Vanner / Icelandic Cross For Sale
On 3/25/07, Stephanie Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that as American's we have a different view of cross breds, because as long as my mare meets certain criteria she can be accepted into the Sport Pony mare book and her babies would be 'cross breds' but would be registerable as long as they pass inspection. Is that cross breeding? Or is it bettering the breed because I have a 'nice' mare? I'm not saying I'll breed her because of the health risks to her, especially with her history of laminitis, this is just theoretical at this point! Steph imo you shouldnt do that unless you have a good buyer lined up to provide a great forever home. But I know thats a perfect world and doesnt exist. sadly, in any horse market. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Spring clipping ?
Mine are shedding so profusely I won't have to clip again. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Janice's Training Program
HAHAHAHA oh my gosh wanda this would win a contest!! These yahoo cowboys who don't understand a horse is playful and childlike are sure missing out on a lot! arent they?!?!? People see them so playful in the field and in the wild, but fail to see their comical personality. Honestly I think thats what I enjoy most about my horses when Traveller was first under saddle and my husband was riding him, I kicked Jaspar to go faster and he didn't want to and was lazy and sulky about it and just ahead around a little sharp turn was some huge dense bushes and I quick, kicked him to go around behind the bushes. He acted like what the?!? He was sulky and lazy to respond and wondering why not just stay on the nice trail but I got him behind the bushes and when traveller came around the bend I kicked him to come out and surprise him. Travellers ears flew up and he looked surprised and Jaspar just started plodding along in front of him again. We did not go on that ride for a whole year and a year later, the very next time, I went around that corner and without asking him too jaspar walked behind the bush and I stopped him and we waited, and when we saw Traveller I gave him a nudge and he jumped out fast at Traveller and gave him a little teeth click, swished his tail and strode off real high headed and happy. I really savor that moment, realizing he enjoyed playing on the trail... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] rearing and flipping
When I visited the old man where I got some of my horses, he has a four year old walking horse mare there that i feel so sorry for. She is just so sweet and so miserable. She needs her own person and a job so bad. But she reared and flipped over on the old mans son and put him in the hospital. Then this a-hole around there said he could fix her so the old man let him take her to his house. While I was there the guy came over and oh my gosh I wanted to knock him in the head or something. He had taken pictures of his groundwork to cure her flipping. He had did the old redneck thing where they hobble a horse and take her down with ropes and hold her there. Then put a surcingle and bit on her and drove her and actually took photos of her rearing and flipping. He then declared her hopeless. She had rope burns. After he left I told the old man I felt like he had made her worse and the old man agreed. But said now she's learned tho, how to get em off her. There really aint much cure for that. The a-hole had said he might come get her when it starts raining and the pond is deep enough to make her rear and flip over so she will go underwater and maybe that will cure her. Can anyone think of anything I might could try on the ground with this mare to help her before this a-hole gets ahold of her again? I have been praying for rain since I planted my grass but now I kinda hope it doesnt rain for a while... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Is It Bad Manners?
No, of course not. It's called having a soft heart. Anything you think of will be appropriate, truly. And as his illness progresses, he may appreciate an occassional phone call more even than flowers. I remember when my kids were in high school, one of the other moms was dying of cancer. I didn't know her, but I went to one of the girls' basketball games and she was sitting completely alone. I think (just like me) no one knew what to say or how to treat her. I gritted my teeth and went to sit with her. We didn't talk about her illness or anything sensitive, just the girls and their game. She seemed glad to be treated as if she were not dying, at least for an evening. Nancy ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [IceHorses] OT--Is it bad manners?
On 3/26/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of sending flowers and a get-well card to my girlfriends father--he was just diagnosed with tumours on his liver and she told me that the doctors give 3 to 4 months to live. He was just sent home and is on morphine, tired, feeling angry. I don't know if it's a good thing to send flowers, would a card be a better idea? V You could send a nice cheery card and say just thinking of you!, janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Spring haircut
he is saying, oh man, here it is spring, when thoughts turn to fancy, and she's made me look like a dachou war refugee. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] rearing and flipping
From: Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone think of anything I might could try on the ground with this mare to help her before this a-hole gets ahold of her again? I'm the last one who knows how to help this, but I do recall reading that rearing is when the hind legs are 'stuck' and the front has no alternative but go up. When I read that it reminded me of when my coach got on Orri and tried to make him back up his way, Orri reared, he didn't know what the coach was asking. V _ Fine Dining Fancy Food. Check Out This Collection Of Good Eats. http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!378
RE: [IceHorses] Spring haircut
he is saying, oh man, here it is spring, when thoughts turn to fancy, and she's made me look like a dachou war refugee. I guess you're saying I shouldn't give Melnir the same glamorous 'do...? Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Spring haircut
From: Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind of ragged around the edges, but hopefully enough to help him until he sheds. Looks huggable to me! :D V _ Check Out Our List Of Trendy Restaurants. You'll Eat It Up! http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!378
Re: [IceHorses] The crapshoot of breeding (Was Crossing Icelandics)
The reason I ask is that no one would ever guess what our Mac's back looked like in his younger days. hmm. And maybe the back changes from years of just hanging out in a pasture with mares? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Gypsy Vanner / Icelandic Cross For Sale
On 3/26/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I'm not as offended by people breeding compatible, nicely conformed, talented horses of different breeds as I am by people who think it's ok to breed any horse just because the horse happens to be registered, no matter what problems the registered horse might have. Karen Thomas, NC an excellent point! Janice yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Spring clipping ?
What I did last year that worked well for me, is every other week from March 1 until mid April, I just keep expanding her trace clip until in Mid April she has a whole body clip. I am doing the same this year and is keeping her comfortable during the day with something left for the cool nights. I never clip her belly or her head or tail head - I let those shed out naturally because it just gives her a little extra time with more protection from the flies and no-see-ums. I think she would have been totally miserable this weekend with this heat if she hadn't been mostly clipped. I will send a picture of how I clipped Eitill in a minute. Gosh, we hit 86 this weekend! I'm glad he was born in eastern Canada, so he probably doesn't have much/any risk of SE. Poor Doppa - I hadn't thought to be thankful for that in Eitill. Loftur, my SE-risk, sheds pretty normally. No signs of him itching...yet...knock on wood... Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Spring haircut
On 26/03/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kind of ragged around the edges, but hopefully enough to help him until he sheds. Looks good. I am going to have to clip a few as soon as we have most of our snow gone and after we have our first spring rains. Meanwhile, I've been brushing bucketfulls of hair from our little old grandma Kria. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Spring haircut
Meanwhile, I've been brushing bucketfulls of hair from our little old grandma Kria. Kria's daughter Saga, and granddaughter Tifa are also shedding heavily. It's funny to me that the shedding timing almost seems more genetically-related, than climate-related.Most of my horses are shedding somewhere between Saga/Tifa and Eitill. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 4:36 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Janice's Training Program
he is saying HEY! LOOKA ME IN MUH BUNNEE EARS YOU GUYS janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] rearing and flipping
I'm the last one who knows how to help this, but I do recall reading that rearing is when the hind legs are 'stuck' and the front has no alternative but go up. When I read that it reminded me of when my coach got on Orri and tried to make him back up his way, Orri reared, he didn't know what the coach was asking. This is very helpful V !! can we brainstorm about what makes her stick in the rear? The very first time it happened. She was perfectly calm the old man said. She was standing facing the open barn, and through the doorway could see her paddock out back where the others were being fed. The old man thinks it happened because she wanted to go be fed. But he said she was as calm and passive as could be, and that after she flipped and landed on his son, she just as casually and calmly as you please walked thru the barn and out back to the paddock while he was running to call 9-1-1. There was plenty of room for her to back up. some factors: she is HUGE, very very wide fat back and no one there would ever dream of considering saddle fit. also, they generally start a horse in too harsh a bit. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Spring haircut
On 3/26/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is saying, oh man, here it is spring, when thoughts turn to fancy, and she's made me look like a dachou war refugee. I guess you're saying I shouldn't give Melnir the same glamorous 'do...? oh my gosh please dont ruin melnirs looks! janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] rearing and flipping
From: Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] some factors: she is HUGE, very very wide fat back and no one there would ever dream of considering saddle fit. also, they generally start a horse in too harsh a bit. Was that the first time she was backed? V _ http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!420
Re: [IceHorses] rearing and flipping
some factors: she is HUGE, very very wide fat back and no one there would ever dream of considering saddle fit. also, they generally start a horse in too harsh a bit. Was that the first time she was backed? no, but within the first ten days of first being backed. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] rearing and flipping
From: Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're a member of the ClickRyder list, they're talking about a horse with a rearing problem. V _ RealLiveMoms: Share your experience with Real Live Moms just like you http://www.reallivemoms.ca/
Re: [IceHorses] Gypsy Vanner / Icelandic Cross For Sale
Hi, This looks like nice grade horse. This looks like a American bred mutt. He does not look like a Icelandic or a Gypsy Vanner horse. Please forward pic off the list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am missing many posts. Thanks, Kate AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
[IceHorses] Saddle Pad?? Help!
Alright everyone! For a traditional treed english trail saddle which pad would you use- Skito (I have heard some bad things about this pad but like it) or the Saddleright pad (heard nothing bad about it, but I am still not sure.) Has anyone had trouble with the heat and the Skito? Do you use a cotton pad under the Skito or Saddleright? Thank you!
[IceHorses] He tolted!!!!
HEY Judy Stigandi tolted! For about 1/2 a mile! He was very POed and that is when he tolts the most. It was my first ride for the year. He got mad right a way and I took him to the arena and he bucked like a colt. Never mind he is 13 years old. I finally did get him to stop acting like a nut about being away from the mares. He did go down the road in the direction I wanted but he made sure I knew he did not want to go. But he tolted!!! He did not tolt as much coming back and he kept breaking into a trot. I am very excited about him tolting for so long. I guess he was just never mad for this long. :-) Happy Sherrel and not-so-happy Stigandi
Re: [IceHorses] He tolted!!!!
On 3/26/07, SHERREL LEININGER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HEY Judy Stigandi tolted! For about 1/2 a mile! He was very POed and that is when he tolts the most. My Jaspar only gaits when aggravated. I think because he is so laid back and calm and lazy thats the only time he will go really fast and waste all that energy. janice- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Re: rearing and flipping
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was perfectly calm the old man said. She was standing facing the open barn, and through the doorway could see her paddock out back where the others were being fed. The old man thinks it happened because she wanted to go be fed. But he said she was as calm and passive as could be, and that after she flipped and landed on his son, she just as casually and calmly as you please walked thru the barn and out back to the paddock while he was running to call 9-1-1. I would want to see exactly what happened. Sometimes things happen pretty fast and it's hard for the people involved to really realize what they are doing. also, they generally start a horse in too harsh a bit. This is my first thought, I wonder if she did something to let them know she wanted out of there and maybe they pulled on her mouth. It's hard to believe a horse normally flips over on someone without something triggering it. I was told about a horse I knew, I had been boarding where he was kept for a while, he was really calm and easy going, then was put into training, it was too much apparently, he began rearing and flipping over, finally he did it and fell down and broke his own neck, that is pretty sad. I wouldn't guess that there would be a quick fix once a person has gotten a horse to start doing this, after that it will probably take twice as much time to undo it, it's much better if we give our horses time (each one needs a different amount of time), which means to me not using harsh bits or other contraptions, and this never happens to begin with. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Saddle Pad?? Help!
Alright everyone! For a traditional treed english trail saddle which pad would you use- Skito (I have heard some bad things about this pad but like it) or the Saddleright pad (heard nothing bad about it, but I am still not sure.) Has anyone had trouble with the heat and the Skito? I like my Skito pads a lot, and my husband uses a Saddleright, but I'm curious, why do you want or need to use a heavy-duty pad with a treed saddle? If the treed saddle fits, you should be ok with something like a cotton square pad, a Dixie Midnight, or maybe a thin wool felt pad. Will you be riding long distances in hot, humid weather? Do you use a cotton pad under the Skito or Saddleright? Thank you! No, because a cotton pad is more slippery than either pad, and if layered, can bunch up and cause rubs. If you buy a Saddleright, they sell thin wool felt liners - I'd recommend one of those because the Saddlerights aren't made to wash easily. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] He tolted!!!!
--- SHERREL LEININGER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HEY Judy Stigandi tolted! For about 1/2 a mile! Awsome. I want to teach Scooter. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] rearing and flipping
Was he on the horse? It's pretty easy to flip a horse, especially a young, unbalanced horse. If the horse was trying to go to her friends and the guy reined her in with a long leverage bit, AND kicked her to go forward, she had no where to go but up. I've seen this happen twice at horse expos! Once she finds that's an escape from pain, she'll be more likely to try it again in the same circumstances, but rearing is a lot of work, and I bet if she learned a clear go forward cue during ground work, she's get over it. If he's tried to move her forward without holding her head, he might have avoided it. Of course saddle fit and idiots training her could be compounding the problem! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Dr. Clayton, Bit Study
Was the Pinchless bit from Brenda Imus in this study? Does anyone have one? Do you like it? (I have not read the study yet)??? Sherrel
Re: [IceHorses] Cookie in the Arena
On 3/25/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a picture of Cookie in the arena today. Judy Nice pic of Cookie! Ferne
Re: [IceHorses] Haflinger Breed Info
The Amish around here have a lot of Haflingers. Driving thur this area you will see lots of them. They are really nice looking horses. They look like small versions of the Belgians. I see them pulling plows, buggies, and logs. I see people riding them. Sherrel
Re: [IceHorses] Saddle Pad?? Help!
On 26/03/07, icyhugger5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Icyhugger5.do you have a name? Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] rearing and flipping
From: Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone think of anything I might could try on the ground with this mare to help her before this a-hole gets ahold of her again? I have been praying for rain since I planted my grass but now I kinda hope it doesnt rain for a while... Janice The Beery manual has what some might consider a drastic method to cure confirmed rearers I've used with good effect for some nut cases who liked to flip over, which will doubtless incur outrage from some. It takes steady nerves and some athleticism. You buckle knee pads on the problem horse, padded ankle straps with strong rings on them-hobble straps work well-and a circingle, then just drive the horse in a light snaffle with driving lines on soft ground in a safe place. There is a cord rope clipped to a ring on the left side of the circingle that runs down and threads through a ring at the back of the left front fetlock, then up through a ring in the middle of the bottom of the circingle, then down through a ring on the back of the right front foot strap, and back up through a couple of rings to the driver's or a helper's hands. If the horse balks and rears, simply pull the rope, which will fold the front feet back. This does not allow the horse to come back down except to its knees. Just hold the horse on its knees a few minutes, the let it up and give it cues to go forward again. It usually only takes a couple of times to completely discourage rearing. The first few times you hitch up (to a sturdy training vehicle), leave the ropes in place, in case the horse associates the rearing behavior with pulling a cart. If I had realized that Levi was thinking about bolting, I could have used this method to stop him, but he'd been a great driving horse for a year, so I was caught off guard.
Re: [IceHorses] Spring clipping ?
I think she would have been totally miserable this weekend with this heat if she hadn't been mostly clipped. Brenna and Kolur are doing well with the vents they have from the late fall clipping combined with regular combing with the Mars Coat King. Sue TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Haflingers
A woman we know brought several Haflingers from the mid-west to Oregon a couple of years ago based on a video the seller had made. I saw the video. It would have sold me. It was the heigth of amateur video footage, but the Haflingers came off looking sensible in every way. The buyer only has one left and she's for sale. She has discovered Icelandics. Nancy ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [IceHorses] rearing and flipping
On 3/26/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you serious? About the manual? If that's the question, then yes she's serious. I can't believe some of the things people do in the name of 'training' Can't wait to see everyone at Equine Affair!! Only 3 weeks!! Steph -- Brutality begins where skill ends. Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels. Von Niendorff
[IceHorses] ALERT - STOP FEEDING ALL MENU WET PET FOODS -- NEW RECALL 3/26/2007
Menu Foods expands pet food recall to include ALL wet dog and cat food http://www.cbc.ca/cp/health/070325/x032504A.html Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
