RE: [IceHorses] Jumping Gat

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas
She looks gorgeous in that photo!  (need to see Alex's face, too!)

They are all great pictures - makes me want to be 10 again!  Gat seems like
the perfect pony for Alex.  That picture in particular reminds me why the
tradition of pulling and braiding manes started - it's sometimes hard to see
ahead when you are jumping a horse with a long, full mane.  The mane sure
adds to the pretty pictures though.  :)


Karen Thomas, NC



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RE: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas
 We are very low on hay in Western North Carolina, several late frosts
have set us back quite a bit, no one I know has cut hay yet.  Usually, my
horses are fully on pasture by now, but I'm still scrounging for more hay.

Hay cutting doesn't normally start until the first-middle of May in my part
(slightly west of center) of NC.  It's too cool at night before that, and
too much dew forms, making it almost a sure thing that the hay will mold if
cut earlier.   Sometimes we don't cut our fescue until early June.  The
Bermuda grass that's grown just east of here, all the way to the coast, is a
summer grass.  They don't cut it before late June, and they get cuttings all
summer, into the very early fall.

Karen Thomas, NC


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RE: [IceHorses] Sina prefers pink

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas
 I need sunglasses! LOL

I love yellow and I like the shade of yellow, but boy, you're right, it IS
bright.  It's a zilco deluxe halter-bridle, so the bridle slips over the
halter and snaps on at the crown, so it won't slip.  What I like better I
think (probably on a dark horse too) is the yellow bridle over a black
halter, maybe even a rope halter.   A little bit of that yellow goes a LONG
way!


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Re: [IceHorses] off topic picture: my newest addition

2007-04-28 Thread bia
Subject: [IceHorses] off topic picture: my newest addition
 From Bia:
 Hi all... well she's not an icey BUT... here is my newest addition. Her
name
 is Sally...Coming in June,



thanks for posting the picture for me Judy.
Bia




[IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread bia
Subject: Re: [IceHorses] First Cutting


 yeah... the orchard over here in central/north area of NC is not cut til
may
 and is only around for a couple of months so I have to buy a bunch and
store
 it. My guys were raised on alfalfa (generally second cut) and I guess they
 don't like the fescue because they pee on fescue hay. They will eat the
 green fescue growing but not the hay...I have never fed bermuda but I buy
80
 pound bails of timothy from a broker near me for 7.25 a bale and store it.
 The broker has hay all the time so any of you North Carolinians who can';t
 find hay out west it may be worth a drive out here to trailer back some
hay.
 There are 2 good dealers here one in Louisburg and one near Wake Forest. I
 get alfalfa and timothy all winter long... heavy bales. And I just got a
mix
 of alfalfa/timothy (each bale is mixed) to store for the summer as needed.
 it's worth paying a bit more for such nice heavy bales to me. Happy to
give
 info if anyone wants it.



 By endurance we conquer - Earnest Shackleton




Re: [IceHorses] Jump pict

2007-04-28 Thread Pat Grimmer
When I am taking my riding lessons and the horse I am riding does this, my 
instructor told me that I need to give a little squeeze just before the jump to 
make the horse go a bit faster.  They will then jump instead of just trot or 
canter.  It has worked for me every time I have done it.

  Pat G., in MN




Re: [IceHorses] Jump pict

2007-04-28 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 4/28/07, Pat Grimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I am taking my riding lessons and the horse I am riding does this, my 
 instructor told me that I need to give a little squeeze just before the jump 
 to make the horse go a bit faster.  They will then jump instead of just trot 
 or canter.  It has worked for me every time I have done it.


I'll tell my daughter (maybe the coach did, I don't know).
V


Re: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread bia
yeah... the orchard over here in central/north area of NC is not cut til may
and is only around for a couple of months so I have to buy a bunch and store
it. My guys were raised on alfalfa (generally second cut) and I guess they
don't like the fescue because they pee on fescue hay. They will eat the
green fescue growing but not the hay...I have never fed bermuda but I buy 80
pound bails of timothy from a broker near me for 7.25 a bale and store it.
The broker has hay all the time so any of you North Carolinians who can';t
find hay out west it may be worth a drive out here to trailer back some hay.
There are 2 good dealers here one in Louisburg and one near Wake Forest. I
get alfalfa and timothy all winter long... heavy bales. And I just got a mix
of alfalfa/timothy (each bale is mixed) to store for the summer as needed.
it's worth paying a bit more for such nice heavy bales to me. Happy to give
info if anyone wants it.



Re: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 28/04/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hay cutting doesn't normally start until the first-middle of May in my part
 (slightly west of center) of NC.  It's too cool at night before that, and
 too much dew forms, making it almost a sure thing that the hay will mold if
 cut earlier.   Sometimes we don't cut our fescue until early June.  The
 Bermuda grass that's grown just east of here, all the way to the coast, is a
 summer grass.  They don't cut it before late June, and they get cuttings all
 summer, into the very early fall.

Interesting when things are done in difference climates.  We usually
don't get our hay until mid-July.  Then if we're lucky, we pull it
right from the field and stack it and tarp it immediately.

Though this year, we may just hire the fellow to deliver it as well.
He lives a fair bit away, but his hay is beautiful.

Wanda


Re: [IceHorses] Jumping Gat

2007-04-28 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 4/27/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 She looks gorgeous in that photo!  (need to see Alex's face, too!)

I wish I had Alex's face in the shot--maybe next time!
V


Re: [IceHorses] Jumping Gat

2007-04-28 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 4/27/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Blink!  Wow!  Looking good.


I thought so too!
V


Re: [IceHorses] Jumping Gat

2007-04-28 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 4/28/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That picture in particular reminds me why the
 tradition of pulling and braiding manes started - it's sometimes hard to see
 ahead when you are jumping a horse with a long, full mane.


Alex usually puts braids for a class but it was chilly outside so she
didn't--afterwards she didn't complain about the mane so maybe it
didn't bother her.

For the upcoming show we'll be doing proper braids--I bought some
non-alcohol sport gel (human product) to help keep the stray hair in
the braids but I won't cut or pull any of her mane.

The one thing Alex did complain about is that her little Wintec saddle
rubs too much and hurts her.  She doesn't want to use the Sensation in
her jumping class (don't know if it's because it's harder to jump with
or if it doesn't look like the other saddles in the class), so, would
that mean her 15 saddle is too small for her?  It didn't rub when she
first had itso maybe I'll be shopping for a larger saddle for her.
V


Re: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread pippa258
Cherie Mascis wrote:
   Have you guys had your first hay cuttings yet? Janice
   

 We are very low on hay in Western North Carolina, several late frosts have 
 set us back quite a bit, no one I know has cut hay yet.  Usually, my horses 
 are fully on pasture by now, but I'm still scrounging for more hay.
Definitely low here in western NC.   None of the dealers around here 
have any local hay.  I just bought a load of timothy from someone who 
trucks it in from NY.

Trish




Re: [IceHorses] Susan and Sina

2007-04-28 Thread susan cooper

--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Eat your hearts out:
 

http://www.freewebs.com/lodgeropes/horse%20%20alexa%20030MOD.jpg
 

A girl after my own heart!!

Susan in NV

Happy High Desert Trails 

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Re: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread pippa258
bia wrote:
 There are 2 good dealers here one in Louisburg and one near Wake Forest. I
 get alfalfa and timothy all winter long... heavy bales. And I just got a mix
 of alfalfa/timothy (each bale is mixed) to store for the summer as needed.
 it's worth paying a bit more for such nice heavy bales to me. Happy to give
 info if anyone wants it.
   
Hi Bia,

I would be interested in the contact info for these dealers...I paid 
$10/bale for my timothy (still a bargain compared to CA where it was up 
to $25/bale)!

What area of NC are you located in?  I'm in western NC.

Thanks,
Trish



Re: [IceHorses] Interesting Color, Pattern

2007-04-28 Thread Janice McDonald
On 4/27/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is a speed racking colt, with an interesting
 color and pattern.  His owner says she thinks it's
 buckskin with a sabino pattern that went wild.

 Judy

Sure there isnt appaloosa in the mix??  Also, dun  because the spots
seem to be in the places dun factor is seen.  like on the withers
there where a donkey cross would be or primitive shading also the
ripply marks on the legs where barring would be.  What an awesome
color!!  I dont think sabino tho!  the first signs of sabino would be
a bald face and stockings, a black lip splotch etc.  This ones face
looks solid.  Like dun.  is the mom or dad dun plus buckskin?  Also
the dark mane.  Could it be champagne buckskin dun?  whatEVER it is it
is just very very unique and beautiful!
janice
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Re: [IceHorses] off topic picture: my newest addition

2007-04-28 Thread Janice McDonald
On 4/27/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From Bia:

 Hi all... well she's not an icey BUT... here is my newest addition. Her name
 is Sally...Coming in June, bought site unseen outside of pictures and
 conversations...I know... I know... don't say it. Just look at her eyes and
 the boy with her and tell me she's not the cutest big ole girl you've ever
 seen! She rides and drives so guess who is gonna learn how to drive this
 year?!

 Bia



I WANT HER!  my gosh is she related to patches???  what a cool horse!
Janice
-- 
yipie tie yie yo


Re: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread bia
 Hi Bia,
 I would be interested in the contact info for these dealers...I paid
 $10/bale for my timothy 
 What area of NC are you located in?  I'm in western NC.
 Thanks,
 Trish

hey trish, I'm near oxford, NC (central NC). email me directly re the info
[EMAIL PROTECTED] don't want to stay off topic on the list for too
many posts since I tend to do that too often! LOL! But, I'm gonna try to get
some of the girls on this list who live this way to make a truck out there
to visit Karen and points west so we can all meet (FRAN!!!). Hopefully
sooner than later but it's hard to get everyone together... If you do come
out for hay though... PLEASE let me know so we can meet up. Bia






Re: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread Janice McDonald
yes it is interesting!  Our real first hay will be in around
mid-May.  For now the early hay is full of weeds and usually a mix of
ryrgrass, clover and some early costal.  It is very rich and green and
I have to peel off small portions.  I cant wait til my hay man calls
and says he is on the way with this years first cutting of real
coastal!  I went to a purina seminar recently and the woman said
feeding too much hay is just waste, the horse doesnt metabloize extra.
 So if thats true then why are my horses all fat on free choice hay
and jaspar loses weight immediate on flakes?
Janice
-- 
yipie tie yie yo


Re: [IceHorses] off topic picture: my newest addition

2007-04-28 Thread Judy Ryder

Just look at her eyes and
 the boy with her and tell me she's not the cutest big ole girl you've ever
 seen! She rides and drives so guess who is gonna learn how to drive this
 year?!


That's a very nice looking horse!  What breed?  How tall?


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Re: [IceHorses] Interesting Color, Pattern

2007-04-28 Thread Janice McDonald
On 4/27/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is a speed racking colt, with an interesting
 color and pattern.  His owner says she thinks it's
 buckskin with a sabino pattern that went wild.

 Judy



she should send this ones picture to UC Davis or Auburn, I think they
would be interested!  They can dna test for sabino also.
janice

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Re: [IceHorses] Sina - pink (burgundy?) versus yellow

2007-04-28 Thread Judy Ryder

 of a dark cherry pink.  Anyway, the burgundy/cherry pink/whatever is one
 of my favorite colors on Sina.

Yes, I like that one!  Are the reins much lighter colored?


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Re: [IceHorses] Interesting Color, Pattern

2007-04-28 Thread Judy Ryder


 color and pattern.  His owner says she thinks it's
 buckskin with a sabino pattern that went wild.


 Sure there isnt appaloosa in the mix??

Good eye, Janice!

Here's the owner's response:

lol, yep, your right, good eye!  just a touch of Appy, 1/16th if my 
calculations are right. dam side: Mom RHBAA (Snowy)is a sabino cremellow out 
of Speck's full sister. Snowy's mom was a sabino palomino and her dad 
(Golddust I think was his nameTWH) was palomino. Snowy's grandma (Speck's 
mom)  red sabino flaxen mane and tail, Snowy's grandpa (Speck's dad TWH - 
Nome Sweepstake) was a palomino.  sire side: colt's father Fannin.  Fannin 
is bay with snow flakes on his butt and 1/8 Appy.  His mom, Ginger (bay), is 
a real fast smooth racking RHBAA full standardbred that was tatooed on the 
lip


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[IceHorses] Brunka in Blue

2007-04-28 Thread Nancy Sturm
Nice training technique, Karen.

More than that, however, you have a beautiful spot to ride in!

What is the wonderful  rustic building in the background?

Nancy


RE: [IceHorses] off topic picture: my newest addition

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas

 Hi all... well she's not an icey BUT... here is my newest addition.

Beautiful mare - MFT?

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Re: [IceHorses] Brunka in blue

2007-04-28 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 4/28/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here, Brunka models the new line of blue accessories from the Zilco spring
 collection...:)


Where are you buying all the Zilco?
V


RE: [IceHorses] Interesting Color, Pattern

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas
 Sure there isnt appaloosa in the mix??

!  just a touch of Appy, 1/16th if my calculations are right.

Now that's just amazing.  I have a couple of friends who've bred full Apps,
and many times they have to go looking for some tiny spots to show they
qualify the foal for registration.  And that one is only 1/16 App?  What a
bold pattern, for such a tiny bit of DNA!  Joe, our big 16+ H bold-patterned
leopard App, bred a bunch of babies before he was gelded - from what I
understand, most were about 14H and solid colored!  (Ironically, we bought
Joe despite the spots, not because of them.)


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RE: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas
 But, I'm gonna try to get some of the girls on this list who live this
way to make a truck out there to visit Karen and points west so we can all
meet (FRAN!!!).

Fran knows the way, so come on down!

Karen Thomas
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RE: [IceHorses] Sina - pink (burgundy?) versus yellow

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas
 Yes, I like that one!  Are the reins much lighter colored?

Yes, I'm afraid so.  Those used to be white, and I soaked them overnight in
Rit wine dye and that's as dark as they got.   I got some hot pink ones
off ebay, that match the pink trim on the Hybrid, but they don't match the
Zilco bridle.  I could use those with a black bridle though...

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Re: [IceHorses] Sina prefers pink

2007-04-28 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 4/28/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I need sunglasses! LOL

 I love yellow and I like the shade of yellow, but boy, you're right, it IS
 bright.

I don't think it's just the yellow--it's the pairing of the yellow
with that color horse--or else it was just the photo making it so
bright.  I love yellow too.  I bet it would be striking on a darker
horse.
V


RE: [IceHorses] Brunka in blue

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas
 Where are you buying all the Zilco? V

Different places.  One of the endurance sites had it on sale a couple of
months ago, and that's when I bought the yellow.  I think I found the blue
on ebay for a steal, which is rare, because it usually brings a good price
on ebay.  (I have matching blue reins and breastcollar.)  I don't remember
when/where I bought the burgundy - I think from a dealer who used to sell it
on ebay.


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Re: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread pippa258
Janice McDonald wrote:
  I went to a purina seminar recently and the woman said feeding too much hay 
 is just  waste, the horse doesnt metabloize extra.  So if thats true then why 
 are my horses all fat on free choice hay and jaspar loses weight immediate on 
 flakes?
She's hoping you'll buy all that top-notch Purina horse feed instead? ;-)

Wish her theory was also true about chocolate... :-)

Trish



Re: [IceHorses] off topic picture: my newest addition

2007-04-28 Thread bia
I wish she was gaited! LOL! She is Percheron/QH cross. She is 16.2. I swore
I'd never buy another non gaited horse... show's you what swearing gets you!
I've never in my life owned or ridden a heavy horse and I just got back from
3 hours with the man down the road who owns a carriage business. I just
knocked on his door because I knew what he did and always admire the big
drafts in his pastures when I drive by but had never met him before. We
spent 3 hours talking and he showed me all the different types of harnesses
he has from simple and light to giant fancy contraptions that spakle to the
harnesses for mini horses...it was fun talking to him...He's going to give
me lessons on one of his horses for awhile until Sally arrives and then he
said we'll figure out just what she's made of and what size stuff she needs.
He said normally driving horses are retired at about 15 from a working
environment which is why she is the age she is and I am getting her at the
price I am getting her at. He said pulling a small cart for pleasure will
not phase her at all...it's the everyday pounding the cement that is alot
for them after a certain point and human drivers will retire them at 15 (and
insurance companies apparently don't insure a driving horse before 4 or past
16)... he did say that I will have a great riding horse for years to come
especially since she won't even notice I'm on her back since I'm so light. I
can't wait to feel what it's like to ride that high and that wide and that
strong of a body. This guy is quite animated so he was telling me how their
big feet stay up in the mud so when the small horses are sinking in the
bottom of a muddy lake or trail, these horse plod along because there is
more surface area. He says they are very great trail horses but just not
usually used on the trail. He has beautiful carts that he uses for weddings
and stuff so I'm gonna get to try one of those out eventually but he's
starting me on his trail cart... explaining that he doesn't want his
10,000.00 investments to run amuck. I'm just glad he's willing to give me
some lessons. She is also a gentle soul and I've wanted a horse on the place
that I can put ANYBODY on.
Bia




[IceHorses] Re: off topic picture: my newest addition

2007-04-28 Thread Roo Grubis
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, bia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wish she was gaited! LOL! She is Percheron/QH cross. 


You never know.  There are a whole lot of Perchies who are (unspectacularly...) 
gaited.  Super 
comfy and lovely for trails.

Perch/QH should be a lovely cross (I read the list via the web so didn't get to 
actually see the 
pic).  Congrats!  Perchies are swell.  :)

/Roo in VT



Re: [IceHorses] First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread Sue McKenney
   
Hi Bia,

I would be interested in the contact info for these dealers...I paid 
$10/bale for my timothy (still a bargain compared to CA where it was up 
to $25/bale)!



Kolur and Brenna are totally spoiled from the bagged Safe Starch Forage they 
have been getting twice a day.  Now they think hay of any variety is for 
pee-ons.

Sue

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[IceHorses] Re: Gat

2007-04-28 Thread Roo Grubis
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/27/07, Kristen Mikula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Have you ever read any of Linda Tellington-Jones's
  books?  There is a great T-Touch strech for the back
  that uses a girth to lift the belly and another that
  you use your fingernails or a hoof pick (on the
  belly)to ask the horse to lift her own back muscles.
 
 
 Yes--I've tried some lift the belly but it appears that Gat doesn't
 lift.  I've used fingernails and girth but I don't see any change.

Varði is determined not to lift using the tickling/poking on the midline 
method.  What 
does work for him (and this would be way easier to show than to describe, so 
bear with 
me) is to stand up very close to him, really lean into him sort of bracing my 
bodyweight 
onto my elbows (bring my arms in front, elbows bent so that my torso is 
pressing against 
the backs of my upper arms), palms on him, fingers pointing down, and then sort 
of 
wipe upwards from his midline towards his spine.  Do it on both sides. It's 
not as 
contortionist as it sounds.  :)

You can also get most horses to lift by standing right up behind them (if it is 
safe to do 
so--beware the danger of being kicked) and then using your fingertips to poke 
them on 
either side of the croup, about midway down (you have to play around to find 
the spot).  I 
tend to do a couple of those and then do a tail tug stretch (while standing 
behind the 
horse, *gently grab a hold of his tail and *gently* lean back.  If the horse 
likes it, he'll 
happily lean straight forward and in so doing stretch his spine.)

/Roo (and Varði)



[IceHorses] Re: Gat

2007-04-28 Thread Roo Grubis
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  One thing to consider - many (most?) Icelandic's don't have sufficiently
  long necks to get on the bit, or at least with normally expected head
  carriage, like say a TB, warmblood or some QH and Arabs are capable of
  doing.
 
 Gat has a short neck so I really can't imagine her getting on the bit
 like the other schooling horses, but, how could she get her back up
 without going into that frame?

Semantics, again...

No, not every horse can physically get its face right at the vertical and have 
its poll the 
highest point, but that's really the least of being on the bit.  It might be 
more accurate to 
say you want your horse on the aids, balanced and responsive to equal amounts 
(ideally  
almost imperceptibly light) of hand, seat and leg, with the back up, stepping 
under itself, 
using its pelvis and engaging (bending) all its joints relatively equally (i.e. 
not swinging 
stiffly from just the hip. but bending and using hocks and stifles).  It's 
really not all about 
the headset.  :)

Lateral suppling (correctly--i.e. maintaining a true, consistent bend and not 
allowing the 
shoulder to pop out, or the horse to fall in, etc.--riding circles and 
serpentines) will help 
with the longitudinal.  It will help her to develop the strength and suppleness 
needed to 
use her hind end and bring her back up (and yes, her head will end up going 
down as she 
uses the rest of herself correctly, although she might never physically be able 
to have the 
headset of a GP warmblood), and all this will help her W/T/C and by extension 
her tölt, 
too.  

It's so *not* about the head, or about cranking a horse into a particular 
shape.  As others 
have said, it's a gradual process, and yes, as she does build strength and 
suppleness she'll 
be able to work in a frame (ugh!) that is *biomechanically correct* for 
carrying a rider for 
progressively longer periods of time.  But it should be a *true* frame that 
arises out of 
correct work, not out of a pre-conceived notion of what the end product should 
look like.  

Slow, systematic, biomechanically correct conditioning and strengthening will 
help any 
riding horse of any conformation.  :)

/Roo in VT



[IceHorses] Spots still available for Icelandic Centered Riding Clinic in SE VT, 12-13 May

2007-04-28 Thread Roo Grubis
Hi all.

Just a reminder, there are still a couple of riding slots available for the 
Centered Riding 
clinic for Icelandics and their riders in southeastern Vermont (just under 2 
hours from 
Boston, 3.5 from NYC) on May 12-13.  Auditors are also welcome.

Now that it's actually looking like spring up here, it's a great time to come 
on up to the  
Green Mountain state. (So pretty!  So green!)

/Roo (and Varði) in VT


Senior Instructor Lucile Bump will be teaching a Centered Riding® Open Clinic 
specifically 
for Icelandic Horses and their riders at Southmowing Stables in Guilford, VT 
(the 
southeastern corner of VT, just off I-91 near the NH and Mass. borders) May 
12-13. 

Centered Riding® is simply a new way of expressing the classical principles of 
riding. It 
answers the question of how, when the riding instructor (or your horse's 
trainer!) tells 
you what to do to communicate with your horse. It applies equally to all 
disciplines and 
styles of riding, and can be particularly helpful for folks who are working 
through 
confidence issues. 

This clinic is open to riders of Icelandic Horses at all levels and includes 
both unmounted 
awareness lessons and mounted lessons. The open clinic is a great opportunity 
for riders 
to increase their understanding in a friendly, supportive environment of how 
their own 
bodies influence their horse's movement in all gaits.

Cost is $250 for both days, auditors are welcome at $20 per day, including 
lunch. Stabling 
is available at $20 per night. Contact Lucile at 802.254.2831 to register or 
email 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

More information is available at http://www.centeredriding.org and http://
www.southmowing.com. 

A little about Centered Riding®:
Many people are caught in the trap of unconscious habitual habit. Their bodies 
know only 
the old habitual way of movement. Centered Riding®, with simplicity and logic, 
allows you 
to discover an inner balance, serenity and control that in turn gives you 
greater freedom of 
movement, suppleness and coordination. These new qualities are reflected in 
your horse 
as increased balance, poise and forward motion. You and your horse become as 
one, in 
harmony.

About Lucile Bump:
Lucile Bump is a Senior Centered Riding® Instructor/Clinician. She has 
completed an 
apprenticeship with Sally Swift and still works closely with Sally. As such, 
she has intensive 
Centered Riding® training, an in-depth knowledge of the work, and is qualified 
to train all 
levels and disciplines of riders from beginners to instructors. As a Senior 
Centered 
Riding® Instructor, Lucile has the ability to employ a more in-depth 
understanding of 
Centered Riding® techniques in her teaching regardless of the discipline, 
whether it is 
Western, Dressage, Jumping, Endurance, etc., because she understands the 
foundations of 
the work.

Lucile began riding around age 10 and grew up riding the wooded trails of 
Vermont. She 
rode all through school and competed regularly in Hunt Seat Equitation. Lucile 
met Sally 
Swift when she was 14, and has continued to work closely with Sally after 
completing her 
apprenticeship. Lucile began her teaching career while attending college in 
Marlborough, 
Vermont. After graduation, Lucile went to work at a Morgan farm, training 
horses, 
teaching riding lessons and doing some competing in Western and Saddleseat. In 
1971 
Lucile traveled to California to work with Linda Tellington-Jones at her riding 
instructors 
school. Upon her return to Vermont in 1972, Lucile purchased the farm that has 
become 
Southmowing Stables.

Lucile has been teaching Centered Riding® to all levels and disciplines of 
riders for more 
than 20 years. In recent years, she has taught in throughout the world, 
including Germany, 
the UK, Vienna, Austria (home of the Spanish Riding School!), the UK, Germany, 
Holland 
and Peru. Lucile has also had students come to Southmowing Stables from 
Switzerland, 
The Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Japan and Canada as well as from all over 
the United 
States. 




[IceHorses] Roo

2007-04-28 Thread Nancy Sturm
AMEN!


Nancy in Oregon


[IceHorses] Re: First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread robyn_schulze
I paid
 $10/bale for my timothy (still a bargain compared to CA where it was
up
 to $25/bale)!


Just curious--how big are these bales that cost you $10?  Are they the
standard small bales, about 60-70#?

Thanks, Robyn







Re: [IceHorses] Sina prefers pink

2007-04-28 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 4/28/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I bet it would be striking on a darker horse.  V

 Like Orri...? :)


I think everything looks nice on Orri! :D
V


RE: [IceHorses] Sina prefers pink

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas
 I think everything looks nice on Orri! :D  

I think you're probably right.  


Karen Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






Re: [IceHorses] Re: First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread pippa258
robyn_schulze wrote:
 I paid $10/bale for my timothy (still a bargain compared to CA where it 
 was up to $25/bale)!
 
 Just curious--how big are these bales that cost you $10?  Are they the 
 standard small bales, about 60-70#?
   
They are about 80#, compressed, maybe more as I found them very heavy.  
The local fescue bales were about 30#, $4.25 each and filled with 
briars, leaves and twigs.

Trish



Re: [IceHorses] Another outdoor photo

2007-04-28 Thread Nancy Sturm
How long has Alex been riding?  She's a pretty little rider.

Nancy Sturm



RE: [IceHorses] Re: First Cutting

2007-04-28 Thread Karen Thomas
 They are about 80#, compressed, maybe more as I found them very heavy.
The local fescue bales were about 30#, $4.25 each and filled with briars,
leaves and twigs.

You must be buying your hay from the feed store, not from the farmers
directly.  Oh, wait - you weren't here last year in hay-cutting season, were
you?  I don't think I've ever paid over $3 per bale for fescue, with the
bales weighing about 40-45 pounds probably.  If you have a truck and are not
opposed to working, you may be able to go pick it up in the field.  Most
farmers charge a lot less for hay if they don't have to stack it in the
barn, and store it.  I've paid as little as $1.50 per bale in the field -
maybe $2 the last time I bought any in the field.   It's hard, hot work, but
you can see the quality you're getting and you can save some money. It is
possible to find good, clean fescue, but you need to know the farmer - and
the farmer needs to know that you need horse quality hay.   Fescue can be
very good hay - but some farmers bale weeds and call it fescue.  Those same
farmers may not be careful to ensure that the hay doesn't mold.

We pay about $3.50 per bale for our beautiful, clean Bermuda, with the bales
probably weighing about 50 pounds each I think, maybe a little more.  For
that, the farmer delivers it and puts it in the barn loft for us.  Oh
course, we have to buy a full truckload to get that price - his truck holds
about 205 bales.  (No problem since we have 25 horses - last year, I think
we bought four truckloads.)  We've been buying from the same guy for about
15 years.  In that time, I don't think we've ever thrown away a full bale -
there's never any trash in it either, so they eat every morsel.

You need to find a good local farmer to buy your hay from - and be good to
him!  Our guy sells all the hay he can bale, but we've stayed on his list.
Farmers tend to give their steady customers first pick, and everyone else
gets any that's leftover.


Karen Thomas, NC






[IceHorses] Horses Are Always Trying to Communicate With Us

2007-04-28 Thread Judy Ryder
In what ways do horses try to communicate with us?

How do they try to tell us if they are OK, not OK?

Horses are always trying to communicate with us; how do we listen to them?


Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com