RE: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
>>> He said he had one stall available so that doesn't make sense to me. Thanks He can haul 2 small compatible horses (like many Icelandics) in a single stall, and if so, he'll adjust his charges a little. He won't, however, put two horses together if he has any doubts about their compatibility, nor will he haul a very large horse with a small one, unless they have been best buddies for ages. Several times, I found horses heading east from British Columbia or California when I was getting one (or more) brought to me in NC. I found them by sending an e-mail to the list, or when I noticed that someone else mentioned getting a new horse. Not only does it save you a few bucks, but I think a lot of horses travel better when they have a personal buddy with them for most (or all) of the trip. Sorry if we've scared you, but I wouldn't wish the ordeal we went through in 2004 on anyone. The crazy hauler provided references - but next time I'll ask the references if they ever shared a jail cell with the hauler... She wasn't even the low bidder! And, by the time we had to pay her extortion to get the horses back, THEN find a good hauler to get them from California to NCwell, I paid twice, but worried myself sick for seven weeks. If I hadn't been able to connect with Judy, I don't know if I'd ever seen my horses again. Thank goodness a buddy from the list offered to board them for me after Judy found them for only the cost of their hay, etc, not for full board. And, due to the delay in hauling, I had to pay for a second health certificate. Many of the hauling companies use huge rigs, 18-wheelers, and hire what amounts to truck drivers. Even if the firm has a good reputation, you could always get a new (and unreliable) driver. Be sure that whoever brings your horse to you is truly a horseman. Terry listens to the news on his route, keeps his ears open for news of outbreaks of equine diseases, and won't stop in areas where outbreaks are. He unloads the horses as often as feasible on the coast-to-coast trips, but always weighs the risks before he does. I know he's passed on some horse hotels when they didn't meet his approval. That's what you're paying for. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Melnir after dark - shiney coats
> This is really an endurance saddle, but I had an old pair of custom made > western fenders, and they are the right color. Excuse the crappy looking > stirrups - those were the only pair of western stirrups I could find. It looks good with the western fenders! I personally didn't like the Torsion. I *wanted* to like it, but the regular english leathers pinched me and the seat kept poking me in the butt. yuck! Glad you like it tho! :) Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur-Robyn
> > Did you try All-State Horse Express? I've been > > happy with them. > Yes I have. They haven't gotten back to me yet. > Thanks for your help Don't worry, Lori--most trips will go fine! I do remember Karen's awful experience from a couple years ago, when the hauler she used at the time took off w/ her 2 new Iceys and ended up in California instead of North Carolina. I did 2 transports w/ All-State, and had very good experiences both times. They were very patient w/ both horses, both arrived safely and without incident. My Icey colt had a small superficial scratch on him, which they documented and pointed out to me. (big whoop, really--he's scratched himself plenty right here at our barn over the last 2 years!). And as I said before, they took extra time to work with the colt, since he was so green that he hadn't even really been lead-broken yet. But I'd say it's definitely worth a couple extra hundred dollars for peace of mind. Here's another Yahoo website to check out, where people can post problems they've had w/ specific businesses, whether haulers or other horse-related businesses. Then you know who to avoid. You could also post and ask about haulers that people there recommend, and then be able to get a few more quotes that way. You might check into ride-sharing too, if there's someone trailering from WA to AZ and has room for another horse. But then that way there's no insurance (except what you purchase yourself) and you still might have problems w/ the other person trailering. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HorseRipoffs/ Robyn
RE: [IceHorses] Helmets again--Tipperary
>>>You guys have rounder heads - that's why it's great that there is a variety to chose from :-)) Yes, they make so many brands, shapes and colors theres no excuse for anyone not to wear one any more. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Parents/disabled kids
Yes, Asbergers is sometimes referred to as high functioning autism. The two kids we know with Asbergers are an absolute kick. Both are quite verbal and the boy is very intelligent. Something he said at school once has really helped me remember what the world of autism is like. There was a school assembly and he asked not to go because it would be noisy "and the noise bothers those sensitive little hairs inside my ears." He was in the first grade. What a geat way of expressing his aversion to loud noises. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur
Lorraine wrote: >> You could save money in hauling costs and turn around and have to spend it >> in vet >> costs! >> >> Trish >> > > Well I guess I sound awful cheap huh. Not at all! Believe me, I gulped when I got the quote to haul Starri alone and was thankful I was able to coordinate with someone else. It seems that the trip from WA to AZ is at least an overnighter if not 2 nights. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Helmets again--Tipperary
Nope, Ferne, you're not alone. I can wear a Tipperary, but they aren't by favorites. I prefer Aegis, Troxel or International - all cheaper and at least as comfy, if not more so for me. You guys have rounder heads - that's why it's great that there is a variety to chose from :-)) -- Laree
[IceHorses] EZ ride stirrups
I just received a pair of nylon caged EZ ride stirrups that I won on eBay--I put them on my Webbers and I'm not sure if I did it rightare the cages supposed to be facing the horse or facing away from the horse when just hanging. I put them on facing the horse so that when I mount they're open for my foot. Is that the right way? V
Re: [IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know someone who bought a horse and arranged for > hauling from Texas > and when it arrived, they swung open the doors of > one of those huge > smelly cattle hauler trucks and there stood her Gee thanks Janice. I am about ready to forget the whole freaking thing. How could you people scare me to death? There must be a few successful trips out there. Happy Trails from Lori Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
> I myself will be going to pick up my new Icelandic > this weekend from > Rigaud, Canada to bring him back to NJ. > Wish me luck. > > Gale in NJ I am waiting as we speak to get a quote from them. Thanks. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: [IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur
--- pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > It's not just about the price but about the safety > and condition of your > horse during the trip. I'm sorry but I can't > remember where you live or > how long this trip will be. Terry provides water > and hay at all times, > probiotics if necessary, he doesn't tie the horses, > he stops every night > and doesn't just keep driving. Every couple of > nights, he checks into a > horse hotel and the horses get turnout all night. > He calls you everyday > to let you know how things are going. You could > save money in hauling > costs and turn around and have to spend it in vet > costs! > > Trish Well I guess I sound awful cheap huh. Believe me. I am researching this whole thing. I DO care about my horses. I am in Phoenix, AZ. Happy Trails from Lori Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
Re: [IceHorses] Gale's New Horse
> broker to help with the border crossing so hopefully > it will go smoothly > as we re-enter the US. > > I am very excited and can not wait to see him in > person. > > Gale in NJ Congratulations Gale, Beatutiful animal Happy Trails from Lori Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: [IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur-Robyn
> Did you try All-State Horse Express? I've been > happy with them. > > Don't go with the cheapest w/o checking them out > thoroughly. Unless > you insure your horse well. Yes I have. They haven't gotten back to me yet. Thanks for your help Happy Trails from Lori Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter letting himself out
> > > I wish I could say the same thing. A couple of weeks > ago four of mine took > off and went downtown very early int he morning. The > fishermen head out to > the coast about 6 and I could have been liable for > any accident. Luckily > they finally went up a drive and we could catch > them. It is scary. > That is totally scarry. Oh my gosh. I glad they are ok. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: [IceHorses] Single Trait Breeding / Trait Over-Selection
On 6/6/07, Robyn Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Our adopted son, Arontae, is multi-handicapped, but may be affected by > > autism as much as any of his other "issues". Dr. Grandin is a wonderful > > example of what a person can achieve even with a diagnosis that is > > considered a "disability". > I have a riding friend Robyn that is autistic. She has been given horseback dressagy type lessons since age 3 and altho she can't do much else she can ride the heck out of a horse. She looks and seems complete normal but her behavior is often extremely inappropriate which cracks me up. but her parents trust me to take her off with me on riding trips and it makes me crazy when people will like offer her a mixed drink or something and I will say no, and she will say "I can have it, she's not my mom" and they start to mix it and I have to say no, stop and be delicate. It makes me appreciate the special challenges parents of these children face. One time a guy said he was going to breed his stallion soon and she just very seriously asked "can I come and watch?" just deadly serious.. He was floored, stammered around. I didnt know if I should explain, or what. Her parents later told me yes, that I should explain, that its no biggie :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Parents/disabled kids
> It is true that our Ron would be happier if he could stay home where we > understand him and jump to meet his needs, but we have always felt he will > need to cope with the rest of the world too, not just Mom and Dad who love > him best. Nancy, I really admire what you do. Thank you! Robyn
RE: [IceHorses] 1/3 of their Wgt
>>> sounds like my Tivar, the stoutest icelandic I have ever seen :) Ok, Janice...I know you only had eyes for Tivar when you were here, and that's a very good thing, but Falki is taller and a little bigger than Tivar. So, you have seen one stouter one! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] OT-Brag
my gosh and in the mud too! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Parents/disabled kids
my horse friend has Asberger's which i understand is milder. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: scary critter
> Could it have been a wild pig or a bear? They scare horses more than > anything else. a pig maybe! I have been hiking in the smokies and approached by a bear in camp tho and they are totally silent. this thing was really loud. I have a friend that says horses fear pigs because they can tell they are carnivores, but we are carnivores too! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Parents/disabled kids
What we see most often (totally natural) are grief, guilt and denial. Too frequently, parents want so much for the diagnosis to be different that they don't start therapies early enough. We have two families among our friends who have not sent their children to school because they were so unhappy (or misunderstood) there. Another mom (final diagnosis Aspberger's Syndrome) just didn't want her son diagnosed/labeled. He received none of the available early intervention. It is true that our Ron would be happier if he could stay home where we understand him and jump to meet his needs, but we have always felt he will need to cope with the rest of the world too, not just Mom and Dad who love him best. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] general horse question
Is the horse getting enough through > the grazing muzzle to sustain him?? or should I make an effort to go > there each day and let him free graze for an hour or two. Will he > eventually adjust to the grass or will he always have to wear the > muzzle? Hot dry summer weather will be here soon in NJ and with it the > lush spring grass will fade to be replaced by brown stubble. Do you > think he can then graze normally. He is out 24/7. Boy I wouldn't take it off! My Icey (and the TWH) get one hour of grass per day. They also get about 2 flakes each, tops, of crummy weedy old alfalfa/ grass hay (b/c that's all I have right now) per day, for something to do. He gets a handful of feed (Safe Choice) to go w/ his vitamins/flax meal. Both are now working on eating the barn, altho I think that's pretty lo-cal. Both of them are on the verge of being fat. I can barely feel TWH's ribs, and can't feel the Icey's ribs. They have a large (about 1 acre) dry lot to run and play (they do at night still, when it's cooler). When your grass matures you can probably turn your pony out 24/7, altho still keep an eye out, esp. w/ any rains. Also, sometimes dry, stressed grass has more sugar in it than lush grass. Re: the muzzle--if it seems like he's losing weight, then give him time w/o it. But I think even 1-2 hrs is way too much, and he's probably getting plenty of grass thru the muzzle, plus it gives him something to do. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Re: short neck
> here my mare (who has, I think, a nice long neck) Lovely mare, Jasmin! Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
> Have to confess - I had the same thought. Loading shouldn't be a problem, > and I wouldn't let it keep me from buying a horse I liked in all the > important ways. I agree. It's a problem that can be pretty easily fixed. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Single Trait Breeding / Trait Over-Selection
We think they should be > applauded for putting the needs of their son at the top of their priority > list. My first reaction to this is "well who wouldn't?!" but I guess you've seen firsthand that that isn't always the case. :(I guess I have too. My thought is, you have kids, you take care of them. They should be first priority, esp. w/ health. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur
On 6/6/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We found a reasonable person. AAA transport. Ever > heard of them??? It will be $750. The other quotes I > got were $1250 and $975. So $750 is sounding better. > Thanks for all you help who suggested haulers. Lorraine Did you try All-State Horse Express? I've been happy with them. Don't go with the cheapest w/o checking them out thoroughly. Unless you insure your horse well. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Single Trait Breeding / Trait Over-Selection
Thanks Robyn, for the additions to the reading list. I am about half way through Temple Grandin's Animals in Translation and have read Labeled Autistic, I think her first book. There's a young family who bought a beautiful horse ranch near us in Oregon. Right after they purchased it, one of their twin boys was diagnosed with autism. He is in an intensive intervention/education program in Arizona and they feel they can't risk denying him this chance at a "normal" life. That would be assuming any of us is "normal". We think they should be applauded for putting the needs of their son at the top of their priority list. The ranch will still be here, waiting. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Single Trait Breeding / Trait Over-Selection
> Our adopted son, Arontae, is multi-handicapped, but may be affected by > autism as much as any of his other "issues". Dr. Grandin is a wonderful > example of what a person can achieve even with a diagnosis that is > considered a "disability". I understand that now autism can be "cured" by aggressive early intervention therapies, before age 2, I think. I find this astounding, that something that has baffled doctors for so long can be treated so effectively. I missed out on the chance to hear Dr. Grandin speak recently--I had a conflict and couldn't go. I will catch her next time around, as she is a professor at Col. State University, which is about 45 min away. There's another book for you Nancy--weren't you the one asking for a summer reading list? Dr. Grandin's book is on my "to read" list. Here's a couple non-horsey ones that are also fantastic: "Land of a Thousand Hills--My Life in Rwanda" by Rosamond Halsey Carr "The Wilderness Family--At Home with Africa's Wildlife" by Kobie Kruger Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Helmets again--Tipperary
> I must be the lone dissenter! I've tried Tipperary helmets on several > times and they just felt uncomfortable to me. Maybe it is the shape of my > head. I'm a Troxel Dakota fan myself. Ahh, then you're not an egghead! ;P I tried the Troxel and it was too tight front and back, w/ too much wiggle room at either side. The Tipperary fits well tho. Robyn
[IceHorses] Julie Goodnight
Julie Goodnight (horse trainer http://juliegoodnight.com ) has joined Facebook.com as a way to chat with you, share ideas and new training strategies, and to share behind-the-scenes details and photos from clinics across the country and around the world. And you can join, too! You'll need a free facebook.com account to join Julie's group of "friends" and to join her training fan club. First, go to www.facebook.com and click the green button to register. Once you have an account (keep in mind you don't have to share personal details and facebook.com works in a way that only the friends you select can see your profile and any details you do wish to share) click on "profile" at the top left of the screen. You'll see your page and a place to search for friends. Type "Julie Goodnight" in to the search box. When you see Julie's photo, look to the right and click on "Add to Friends." You'll also see Julie's group "Julie Goodnight Horse Training Fans." Click to "Join Group." Soon, we'll post some questions for feedback and provide you with special info as a member of the Training Fans group. This is the new high-tech horse training age! Let's get on board! ___ Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Helmets again--Tipperary
>>> I must be the lone dissenter! I've tried Tipperary helmets on several >>> times and they just felt uncomfortable to me. Maybe it is the shape of my >>> head. I'm a Troxel Dakota fan myself. Nope, Ferne, you're not alone. I can wear a Tipperary, but they aren't by favorites. I prefer Aegis, Troxel or International - all cheaper and at least as comfy, if not more so for me. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
Hi Nancy, I heard so stories on how people drag, push, whip, lift their horse into a trailer. I heard of one story where the horse got 2 feet in and had 2 big guys pick up the back end stuff him in the trailer. Anne
Re: [IceHorses] Re: scary critter
There's one endurance ride in Oregon that passes through a ranch where the domestic pigs are out in a huge fenced pasture. Baby pigs jump squealing from the brush. There are very few horses that don't react. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: scary critter
or tried to take off and I could tell the whole time he > had at least one ear and one eye on those woods, and then one time he > took off at a fast trot trying to distance himself from it, and I let > him but when he went to transition faster into canter I wouldnt allow > it and he didnt try and disobey so I think he is getting to be a real > real good trail horse. we saw tracks and it could have even been a > wolf. it was too deep in the woods to be a single wild dog. > janice-- > yipie tie yie yo > Janice: Could it have been a wild pig or a bear? They scare horses more than anything else. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur
I know someone who bought a horse and arranged for hauling from Texas and when it arrived, they swung open the doors of one of those huge smelly cattle hauler trucks and there stood her gorgeous 6 month old colt next to a giant bull with about a 6 ft horn span. The bull was laying down and actually filled the trailer from side to side and her colt looked scared to death and had obviously not eaten or drank on the entire haul... just another horror story to add to the list :) sorry. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Matching Rider and Horse
I sold a mare because I felt like I was not the best rider for her, I think this is really important! Thanks for bringing this up. I think it ends up to be unfair to the horse and to the owner, to keep a horse that doesn't match up well. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
> Where's Andi located? North part of Southern CA. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
On 6/6/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anne, I always wonder when I read something like that. How do I bring you > my horse if he won't get in the trailer? > > Just being silly, mine all load. > > Nancy > hahahaha. a good one. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Gale's New Horse
wow, unlike some I have seen saying they are 14.1 this guy actually looks that big! he is beautiful! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
Anne, I always wonder when I read something like that. How do I bring you my horse if he won't get in the trailer? Just being silly, mine all load. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
Where's Andi located? Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] White Pony Mule
> Here's the cutest pony mule (at the bottom of the page) for sale: > > http://underthesonfarm.com/underthesonsales.html > I want him! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
If I could get him over here for around $2500 I would buy him myself. He looks wonderful.I would put him in my 18 acre pasture with all the other geldings, Funi, Trausti, Dynfari, Bersi and Scotty -he is our Quarab that Sally is in love with Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur
Lorraine: Be careful, some of the shippers mostly haul racehorses around in long slant load trailers. In some of them, the hauler can't even get to your horse without unloading others, so if there's an emergency I like my horses to travel loose, so they can put their heads down (less respiratory problems), and have water and hay avail. at all times. I've shipped with Terry too, and he's well worth the extra money for your piece of mind. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] 1/3 of their Wgt
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I > just think we need to all be careful and keep an eye out for signs. > Signs are (in my experience): > > 1. even tho well trained to stand for mounting suddenly MUST take > a > step for balance as soon as the rider is on. > 2. a swaying and slight buckle when first mounted, especially in > the rear. > 3. Excessive tiredness/sweatiness/exhaustion when other horses in > same shape are doing ok. this is particularly a dangerous sign. > You > MUST get off and give them a break when they get > overheated/exhausted > like this. > 4. A growing aversion to being caught/ridden > 5. and if these signs are ignored? signs of pain, bucking, > bolting, > biting at the riders legs when mounted. > also, like Karen said, the way a person rides makes a huge > difference. also, heavy riders need nice calm horses because balance isnt as > good. > Believe me, I know! I aint no lite weight myself! > Janice > -- > yipie tie yie yo > I like your post a lot Janice.I like my horse to stand nicley when I get on, it is when I am the most nervous because of my bad knee...after I get on I am pretty good to go.some of my Icelandics stand with one foot resting when I get onI like that, it tells me that my weight is not a big deal, but I know it would still be great if I lost more..which I have, 2 sizes this past 9 monthsmore to come off hopfully We have a Big Big gelding her right now who is the stoutest Icelandic I have ever seen, his cannon bone is very very short, I should go measure it today...they are also very big, he is big everywhere, and tall, we named him Trausti, he came with another name, but we changed it, he did not need the energy of being called an elf, so we gave him a good name, one he would fit into, and he has.anyway I am thinking of keeping him for myself, he has no papers, I do know his pedigree, but he is so big, so handsome and has a smooth tolt and a good attitude. When Sally gets on him his foot is resting and all things are goodI am hoping he will be my parade drill team horse...and one of the reasons is because he is so strong, big and beautiful (chestnut with flaxen mane and tail) and his attitude is wonderful. I sold a mare because I felt like I was not the best rider for her, she is one of the smaller Icelandics here, and she was getting close to 20 when I sold her.it was hard, but I felt it was best for her and her comfort. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
Hi Virginia, The way I do it its kind hard to descript. I can tell you it takes a lot of time and patience with lots of cookies with a problem loader. I kind make it his idea to load and slowly they come in one foot at a time and there is never a fight. I have had a lot clients bring me their problem horses that will not load. If you bring me your horse I be glad to help you? Anne
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
On 6/6/07, Anne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got a method that I use that works. > Anne What's your method? V
[IceHorses] Looking for Vet near LA, CA
From: Anderson, Teresa R. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Contact SHO PLEASE HELP !!! Hello, I am a Sergeant with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. On Tues June 5th I arrested a man for 597 PC. Cruelty to animals inhumane teatment. He had sored a couple of mares that were in extreme pain. The one mare had green thick substance on her front legs which was covered tightly in saran wrap and bandage with quilt and polo wraps. My question is if you know of a qualified vet that can doante his time to inspect these 2 mares and give his qualified opnion. The local vet did not see a problem. The horses were in otherwise good health and well fed. The mares were seized and placed on a 15 day hold. We filed a felony on the man who was "handling/training" them and I want him convicted. The horses are being held at 4275 N Elton Baldwin Park California. Please call me 951 201 3385Teri Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Helmets again--Tipperary
On 6/4/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes - my head is egg-shaped and a little flatter on one side. The > Tipperary is the first helmet I've ever been comfortable in. > Nancy I must be the lone dissenter! I've tried Tipperary helmets on several times and they just felt uncomfortable to me. Maybe it is the shape of my head. I'm a Troxel Dakota fan myself. Ferne Fedeli
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
On 6/6/07, susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Lorraine, loading is an issue that can be solved > easily within just a couple of hours. I wouldn't turn > him down because of a loading issue, that is > so easy to fix!!! > > Susan in NV > well, its not always that easy to fix, but definitely not a deal breaker. AT best he just hasnt been loaded and is scared. AT worst he's phobic because something happened and that could take a little time. I only know one horse that isnt loadable and the owner gave up after about ten sessions. She is a peruvian paso mare and she just goes berserk. its hard to figure why. my neighbor had a horse that was in a trailer accident so bad they had to use the jaws of life to cut her out of the trailer and her vulva and hips are scarred from it and she hops right in a trailer with no hesitation at all. so she must not connect the trailer with that scarey incident but i suspect this peruvian mare, like my jaspar, and maybe this icey, it isnt about trailer loading at all. Its about training and not trusting people trying to teach you to do something. It gets bigger and bigger in their minds til it is HUGE and they just get so leery of everything they just want to avoid being made to do something new at all costs. So you have to teach them other stuff first and along the way they begin to realize, oh, when I do things she asks I dont get hurt, its ok, its way more hassle to fight her on things that to just trust it isnt about trailering its about asking them to leave the comfort zone tey have arrived at after what was to them a horrifying training experience. jmo. Janice- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Charm and the Piano OutTakes
that Charm, whata live wire HAHA, adorable! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
oh i love that gait!! I could get him in a trailer! i am good at that if anyone wants to get him and needs my help. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: short neck
i still dont think a neck should be TOO long and thin. icelandics are short stocky horses that gait well and i think if you start breeding for fine bones and sleek necks then gait will suffer. something will suffer. jmo. anytime you start breeding for modern the breed suffers. Introducing arabs and impressive bloodline AQHA horses into appaloosas to make them have "prettier heads and more refined build" have made the "old foundation" bloodlines more valuable, except even those that have been bred for color have started being as dumb as a box of rocks. Old foundation walking horses with ugly heads are the best temperament, best gaiters. I hope we dont mess things up too much! If I bred icelandics I would breed for old foundation quality gait, conformation and if i could find that with color I would breed, but i would steer clear of refinement or fine bone etc, because icelandics are short and stocky, helooo! I rescued a paso fino that was 1. unusually tall. 2. to die for buttermilk buckskin dun color. guess what, he was as crazy as an outhouse rat bless his heart! And couldnt gait at ALL. He could only trot. He was 15.2 hh. Thank goodness I found a good home for him that loved him regardless. But he was so neurotic he actually self abused. he had bite marks all over his flanks where he would stand and bite himself. Just made me want to throw up my hands. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] A New Treatment for Cribbers
On 5/28/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Many a day I have sat on a bale of hay and wonder why in the world my > horse would just stand there and crib. Why do cribbers crib? Crib or scar, > you decide. Interesting! Gene's Appy started cribbing when I took my Icelandic (his pasturemate) to Canada for a month. We use a cribbing collar at times, which works well, but we don't do it consistently. I would hate to have surgery for what seems like such a trivial thing. I guess it can cause a lot of problems down the line though. Ferne
Re: [IceHorses] Charm and the Piano OutTakes
HAHAHAHA! Judy verbally abusing charm :) but hey, a thought... could possibly the helicopter have been distracting her a little? You dont seem aware of it but she seemed distracted... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] White Pony Mule
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's the cutest pony mule (at the bottom of the > page) for sale: > How freakin cute. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Charm and the Piano OutTakes
> http://iceryder.net/videocharmpianoouttakes.html I added another video to that page... after doing the piano thing, we were going to do more practice on the platform and work on duration and adding an additional behavior to just standing up there... Charm had other plans, and it seemed like a good idea, so I clicked her to capture the behavior, and to put it on cue later. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Trim Job
> tonight. He's open minded but he likes to learn in increments...small > little steps. Once he has something it's locked in so we're very > careful about what we teach him. So far so good... On our trail ride last weekend Tivar and the other horse I was with got really spooky. It was very windy and you could hear some big critter cracking twigs in the bushes, probably a deer but maybe a wild hog by the way the horses reacted. Tivar started getting jumpy and every time a limb would snap he would jump out of his skin but he never whirled or tried to take off and I could tell the whole time he had at least one ear and one eye on those woods, and then one time he took off at a fast trot trying to distance himself from it, and I let him but when he went to transition faster into canter I wouldnt allow it and he didnt try and disobey so I think he is getting to be a real real good trail horse. we saw tracks and it could have even been a wolf. it was too deep in the woods to be a single wild dog. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Gale's New Horse
> I myself will be going to pick up my new Icelandic this weekend from > Rigaud, Canada to bring him back to NJ. Gale! New horse! More details! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
Have to confess - I had the same thought. Loading shouldn't be a problem, and I wouldn't let it keep me from buying a horse I liked in all the important ways. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
--- Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought of buying him but I must have a horse that > loads. He is cute as a bug though.. LOrraine<< Lorraine, loading is an issue that can be solved easily within just a couple of hours. I wouldn't turn him down because of a loading issue, that is so easy to fix!!! Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: [IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur
Lorraine wrote: > We found a reasonable person. AAA transport. Ever > heard of them??? It will be $750. The other quotes I > got were $1250 and $975. So $750 is sounding better. > Thanks for all you help who suggested haulers. Hi Lorranine, It's not just about the price but about the safety and condition of your horse during the trip. I'm sorry but I can't remember where you live or how long this trip will be. Terry provides water and hay at all times, probiotics if necessary, he doesn't tie the horses, he stops every night and doesn't just keep driving. Every couple of nights, he checks into a horse hotel and the horses get turnout all night. He calls you everyday to let you know how things are going. You could save money in hauling costs and turn around and have to spend it in vet costs! Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Bia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LOL! hard to believe that sleepy looking guy refuses > to load! > > I thought of buying him but I must have a horse that loads. He is cute as a bug though.. LOrraine Happy Trails from Lori Hi Lori, WE had a few horses that would not load and it only took me about 2hrs to teach the horse to load in a trailer. A few yrs ago we purchase 3 horses and 1 ones in a trailer already and the other two were still babies and the oldest one of the 2 babies she just took a flying leap into the trailer, she almost drag me into the trailer with her, she leaped so fast. One has to go at the horse's speed and take your time and not be in a rush to teach a horse to load. It has to be the horse's idea to load and they will load all the time. I got a method that I use that works. Anne - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter letting himself out
. >>Twice in the last week > Scooter has excaped. Once I thought I left the gate > unlatched and last night. Good > thing he stays by the coral.<< > > > I wish I could say the same thing. A couple of weeks ago four of mine took off and went downtown very early int he morning. The fishermen head out to the coast about 6 and I could have been liable for any accident. Luckily they finally went up a drive and we could catch them. It is scary. Ann
Re: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
Last year, I used Horsin' Around to bring an Icelandic from Washington stage to NJ. They changed me $1000.00 and I thought they were wonderful. They took good care of my horse and the experience was an excellent one. Money well spent. I myself will be going to pick up my new Icelandic this weekend from Rigaud, Canada to bring him back to NJ. Wish me luck. Gale in NJ
Re: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
> by himself...any chance you could share a stall or > try to coordinate > with someone else? > > Trish > > I doubt that. I don't know of anyone I can share with. But thanks. But now I am pernoid that The horse in going to be mia with the stories I am hearing. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
RE: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Lorraine, > Terry bases his prices on how many horses he has > going, if he can pick up or > deliver other horses on the way to or from the > destinations. That price > seems a bit high but would be based on him probably > have to do a long part > of his trip from Virginia empty. He said he had one stall available so that doesn't make sense to me. Thanks Happy Trails from Lori Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
[IceHorses] White Pony Mule
Here's the cutest pony mule (at the bottom of the page) for sale: http://underthesonfarm.com/underthesonsales.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: hauling miss horsie-lol
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > vocal about passing on his name. He's the best and > > believe me, I KNOW what > > a bad hauler is! > > > > > I am a little shocked. I know WA. is far away but > Terry quoted me $1250. I don't know. That is alot. Lorraine > It doesn't sound that bad to me, I was charged about $700 for a 5 hour trip, Idaho to Montana, and with gas prices what they are at the momentit's affecting everything. I have used Terry, he was good, I do trust him to get your horse to you safely, he really cares about the horses, he even went out of his way to the hospital to pick up my horse and arranged his schedule around that unexpected event. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
> > Everyone had horror stories around haulers ... > friends of ours paid $3000 to > move an Icelandic and a Morgan from Oregon to > Virginia. The horses got > "stuck" in Texas, arrived months late and so thin > that the Morgan was not > recognizable. Wonderful. (sarcastic remark) Man Now I am scared. Happy Trails from Lori Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
[IceHorses] Scooter letting himself out
I must be a space case. Twice in the last week Scooter has excaped. Once I thought I left the gate unlatched and last night I swear it was latched. His new name is, you guessed it. Houdini. LOL. Good thing he stays by the coral. Happy Trails from Lori Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
--- Bia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LOL! hard to believe that sleepy looking guy refuses > to load! > > I thought of buying him but I must have a horse that loads. He is cute as a bug though.. LOrraine Happy Trails from Lori ___ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html
[IceHorses] Re: Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> http://iceryder.net/andi.html > >> > > My Andi has an older full brother by the same name - > > what is this horse's breeding?? > > > Sire: Hrafnson from Wiesenhof Dam: Ivory from Saga California > > DSire: Snaefaxi from Hredavatnskalli > DDam: Leira from Thoronupur > > SSire: Hrafn von Kroggolfsstadir > SDam: Gletta > > He's related to both of my guys, he's cute. Kim
[IceHorses] finding transportation for my new boy-Dagur
We found a reasonable person. AAA transport. Ever heard of them??? It will be $750. The other quotes I got were $1250 and $975. So $750 is sounding better. Thanks for all you help who suggested haulers. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
[IceHorses] Re: Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> http://iceryder.net/andi.html > >> > > My Andi has an older full brother by the same name - > > what is this horse's breeding?? > > > Sire: Hrafnson from Wiesenhof Dam: Ivory from Saga California > > DSire: Snaefaxi from Hredavatnskalli > DDam: Leira from Thoronupur > > SSire: Hrafn von Kroggolfsstadir > SDam: Gletta > > > Judy > http://icehorses.net > http://clickryder.com >
[IceHorses] Parelli Podcasts
Several new podcasts here: http://podcast.parelli.com/Parelli%20Natural%20Horsemanship/Podcast/Podcast.html or: http://tinyurl.com/rmomo Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
Hi Lorraine, Terry bases his prices on how many horses he has going, if he can pick up or deliver other horses on the way to or from the destinations. That price seems a bit high but would be based on him probably have to do a long part of his trip from Virginia empty. We have been using Terry to haul horses all over the US since Karen first found him and he is, as others have said, extremely reliable and generally the best price (as long as he isn't doing large portions empty). The horses get excellent care, he doesn't what he says, when, and if anything changes you know immediately. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
[IceHorses] If You Were A Horse
If you were a horse... ...what kind of rider would you want? By Pat Parelli How would your rider's attitude, feel, timing, balance, savvy and experience affect you? It's normal to look at a horse's behavior and slap a label on him; he's a good one, or, he's got vices... such as; he's a bucker... a puller...a bolter... a rearer... he's stupid; stubborn; thick headed; or crazy. When you look at things from the horse's point of view though, it gives you a very different picture. That "crazy", "stupid" or "stubborn" horse is probably afraid of people, saddles, a bit in his mouth or pressure on his body. And a scared horse doesn't just think he is going to get hurt. He thinks he is going to get killed! He will do anything to defend himself... anything! I've heard people talk of horses running blindly into trees, falling over, trying to jump 7 foot fences, even killing themselves by flipping over. If you thought someone was going to kill you, how would you react? This is what separates the traditional approach to horsemanship from the natural approach, the attitude towards the horse and the horse's behavior. The normal person thinks, "stupid horse", while the natural horseman thinks, "why did that horse feel like his life was being threatened?" Horses are prey animals - Humans are predators This is a biological fact. Prey animals have their eyes on the side of their head so they can see all the way around them. This enables them to be very perceptive to danger so they can quickly fly from fear. Predators have their eyes on the front of their head because they need binocular vision for hunting. Since predators are the danger, they don't run away... they stand and fight or they freeze. When wild horses first see humans they see a predator, and naturally, they are afraid. This is no different for the "domesticated" horse. He is still a prey animal and has a bit of that wild horse nature in him. Even though a horse may have been raised by hand, Mother Nature can come quickly to the surface in an "oh no" situation. That's when horses start running off, bucking, rearing, striking, kicking, throwing themselves to the ground, charging or being hard to catch. All these "bad behaviors" are exactly the things that help a prey animal survive in the wild. They are designed to out-think predators, to do the opposite of what a predator wants, to be quicker, run away and out-maneuver them. For people, this can be frustrating and sometimes dangerous. If you are having some of these problems with your horse, stop for a moment to consider these behaviors and what is really causing them. Your horse is not a bad horse. He's being a smart prey animal. Now, ask yourself, "What could I do to get my horse to do what I ask without evoking these defensive reactions?" This is the real question for the aspiring horseman. Part of the problem or part of the solution The hardest thing for many people to accept, is that maybe we have something to do with our "horse's problem". An old teacher of mine once said, "If you are not part of the solution, you are probably part of the problem." This might be a good guide when examining our relationships with our horses. For example, I often have people tell me that all their horses have a rearing problem. So, I wonder, what could this person be doing that might cause these horses to feel uncomfortable enough to rear? There are some very common misconceptions about horses that lots of people seem to share. Probably the first time you ever got on a horse, these are the things someone told you. Not only are they not true, they could be the cause of a lot of trouble for both the human and the horse. 1. Horses are supposed to be safe and simple Once you understand horse psychology and have developed your feel, balance, timing, and savvy, this is true. However, most people expect to be able to do anything they like with a horse from the first moment they touch him. They also expect the horse will behave perfectly, stand still and not do anything wrong under any circumstances. To expect this, especially as a beginner, is a good way to get bitten, kicked or run away with. 2. No preparation needed. You just saddle up and get on This is why people get bucked off, run off with and deal with "cold-backed" horses. Tying a horse to the rail and throwing a saddle on is akin to tying a girl to a tree so you can kiss her. If a horse is not willing to stand quietly, giving you permission to put the saddle on, without having to be tied, then he is telling you he is not really accepting the saddle. Horses are often scared of the saddle, which is why they need to be cross-tied. If a horse can't accept the saddle, he is telling you he doesn't have enough trust in you or he is just not mentally and emotionally prepared for it. I believe that preparation is essential. Preparation gets horses in the mood to be saddled and ensures you have a good enough relationship with them to know that they aren't going
Re: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
Lorraine wrote: > > I am a little shocked. I know WA. is far away but > Terry quoted me $1250. I don't know. That is alot. When I had Starri hauled to NC from CA, he shared a stall with another Icelandic and that shaved about $500-$600 off the price off shipping him by himself...any chance you could share a stall or try to coordinate with someone else? Trish
Re: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
That's a lot Lorraine, but pretty much in line with what we've had to pay. If the hauler is trustworthy and safe and delivers your horse on time, it's a bargain. Everyone had horror stories around haulers ... friends of ours paid $3000 to move an Icelandic and a Morgan from Oregon to Virginia. The horses got "stuck" in Texas, arrived months late and so thin that the Morgan was not recognizable. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] general horse question
I put a grazing muzzle on Twist, our Standardbred, last year because he was getting so fat. I did go up and remove it for a few hours a day. Eventually, I brought him back home where the irrigated land is used for the growing of hay and the horses live on an un-irrigated hillside. He's a sweet horse and was so sad in the grazing muzzle - although no so sad as he would have been if he had foundered. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Trim Job
On 06/06/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how old is he?!? He looks so much like Tivar its eery he is a > pretty boy thats for sure! I wonder if he will get bigger? He > already seems a very nice sturdy guy! He has those puffy cream > eyeshadow eyes like Tivar :) But he is not as huge and his expression > altho "reserved" is pleasant and openminded it seems... he is awesome > Wanda!! Pat yourself on the back! > Janice He's a nice boy. He was 5 on May 15. I would say that he's probably around 13 handsbut I haven't measured him lately. I'll do that tonight. He's open minded but he likes to learn in increments...small little steps. Once he has something it's locked in so we're very careful about what we teach him. So far so good... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Mark Rashid Clinic Report
what a wonderful report. thank you so much. I get so much out of even the least niblets from Mark rashid :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Andi, Icelandic Horse, For Sale
LOL! hard to believe that sleepy looking guy refuses to load!
[IceHorses] general horse question
Hi group, I had to move my Icelandic gelding to another boarding facility over the weekend. The new facility has grass pastures. For the last two years my horse has been kept where grass was scarce (too many horses, very little grass). He was given hay twice a day. The barn manager of the new facility gave me a grazing muzzle which my horse has accepted. I was told to leave it on all the time. Is the horse getting enough through the grazing muzzle to sustain him?? or should I make an effort to go there each day and let him free graze for an hour or two. Will he eventually adjust to the grass or will he always have to wear the muzzle? Hot dry summer weather will be here soon in NJ and with it the lush spring grass will fade to be replaced by brown stubble. Do you think he can then graze normally. He is out 24/7. Gale in NJ
Re: [IceHorses] saddles/tack/weird stuff for sale
maybe I can come to the Liz clinic again in oct Annaleise and bring you some ducks and chickens then. If you want eggs you have to have an incubator and turn them three times a day. If you buy a nice electric turner you dont get as high a hatch rate as when you turn them yourself, guess thats natures way... My Sensation is Karens older one I bought, very nice almost like new, a custom color, canyon brown and black. It is awesome and I cant ride Tivar in anything else so I dont want to sell it unless I can sell some other stuff and buy a new hybrid... but I will let you know if it looks like I will be able to sell it. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Trim Job
how old is he?!? He looks so much like Tivar its eery he is a pretty boy thats for sure! I wonder if he will get bigger? He already seems a very nice sturdy guy! He has those puffy cream eyeshadow eyes like Tivar :) But he is not as huge and his expression altho "reserved" is pleasant and openminded it seems... he is awesome Wanda!! Pat yourself on the back! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] 1/3 of their Wgt
i think icelandics are very sturdy, with large cannon bones and short backs able to carry weight. but i think like people, they can do things physically when young, and any small harm doesnt show, but builds up over time. Like strong young men lifting 100 pound sacks of grain all day. Most of them will have ruined backs by middle age. I just think we need to all be careful and keep an eye out for signs. Signs are (in my experience): 1. even tho well trained to stand for mounting suddenly MUST take a step for balance as soon as the rider is on. 2. a swaying and slight buckle when first mounted, especially in the rear. 3. Excessive tiredness/sweatiness/exhaustion when other horses in same shape are doing ok. this is particularly a dangerous sign. You MUST get off and give them a break when they get overheated/exhausted like this. 4. A growing aversion to being caught/ridden 5. and if these signs are ignored? signs of pain, bucking, bolting, biting at the riders legs when mounted. remember backs are funny. you can lift something funny and go ouch and everything is fine, then a week/month later all you do it turn to answer the phone and wham you can't even move. Imagine a rider on you if that happened. you would do whatever you had to do to get rid of them, right? also, like Karen said, the way a person rides makes a huge difference. A sack of potatoes wallering around up there is adding stress exponentially as opposed to a good rider. I told my husband at least a dozen times to not let himself be thrown back when a horse starts up a tall deep sandy hill and he would go, oh, yeah right, then one day his horse started up a hill too fast and he just let himself be thrown back in the saddle and I just STEAMED and told him to get off his *(&*(& horse if he couldn't help him out at least... of course a huge fight but he started paying attention, and now doesnt ride that horse, his horse, anymore until he loses weight, but we have another great horse he rides now until he can lose weight. only trouble is now his HORSE is getting fat :) gotta pony him i guess! also, heavy riders need nice calm horses because balance isnt as good. Believe me, I know! I aint no lite weight myself! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] hauling miss horsie-lol
> vocal about passing on his name. He's the best and > believe me, I KNOW what > a bad hauler is! > I am a little shocked. I know WA. is far away but Terry quoted me $1250. I don't know. That is alot. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: [IceHorses] Trim Job
He looks cute that way. Maybe his hairdresser will even it out next time. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: short neck
> > Thanks, Jasmin. The chesnut with the flaxen mane seems to have such large > front feet. you are right, there is really something strong with his front hoofs. > > Neither of these horses have much length to their necks; what do you think? I think it is not that easy to really judge the length of a neck if the horse is ridden. here my mare (who has, I think, a nice long neck) http://www.pixum.de/members/jasminstroppel/? act=a_view&album=2187931&i_pos=3&page=1&ktw=6ebaad213237200aca6928a7b1 4fcb2f and the same horse when ridden http://www.pixum.de/members/jasminstroppel/? act=a_view&album=2187931&i_pos=9&page=2&ktw=e968ceb7c45789c793eb0ae34c eea677 Jasmin
