Re: [IceHorses] Eating dirt?
>>Raven, where do you find that locally? Hi Pam...I got some rocks last year...from a guy in Rochester. I heard that he was no longer carrying them. IF...if I can find some, I will pick one up for you. They were about $10.00 each. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Input on Selling A Horse
this may sound harsh, but i would ask for cash (real dollars) and let them know you will hold it until the trial period is done and have a clause if Andi is rendered unrideable (the unthinkable happens) while in thier care you keep the money or if he is not returned in same as condition-you keep what ever it takes to make him right. too many horror stories about how the nice people take the horse on trial and then disavow all responsablity when the horse is mistreated or injured and try to get thier money back. it sounds like a great situation for him, hope it can work out. Maggie
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices/Trish
IMHO...Ice Tolts are circus acts. If you want to impress other breed riders..hit the trails! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Input on Selling A Horse
> Hi Judy, > I wanted to get back to you regarding Andi...Again! I showed him to a guy > who has an adaptive riding center. They have a grey Icelandic in their > program and want another Icelandic. The theraputic riding center that I gave my older horse Bandit to doesn't buy horses--they are all donated, and some are very nice (ie, a warmblood that did upper level dressage, a show jumper, a Friesian, an ex-endurance Arab, etc.) Not sure why other programs would be willing to spend $3500--that's a lot. How would Andi do w/ multiple riders, possibly 20-30+ different riders per week? How do the other horses at the center look? Are they happy? Well-fed? Have a clean place to live and some turnout, other horses to play/pal around with? Are they careful to have well-fitting tack? I'd say if Carla has enough doubts about these people to check out the BBB and insist on cash, then maybe she should hold out for a more ideal home for her horse. I've been screwed over a couple times by businesses/contractors who didn't have any bad history on BBB. Robyn S.
Re: [IceHorses] Input on Selling A Horse
What a wonderful role for an Icelandic. The one thing I would want to check is the history of the Adaptive Riding Center operation. There is a therapeutic riding program in our area that has gone through periods of being very wonderful and other seasons of being underfunded. They have experienced several moves, leadership changes and philosophy adjustments. During these times, the horses have needed to be placed while the directors sorted things out. Even though they take very nice care of their horses, I probably would not sell a horse to our local group because of its instability. Nancy Sturm in Southern Oregon
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
On 26/06/07, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is another site - plentyoffish.com that people have had luck with and > it is free. Can mothers sign up their kids??? ;) Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Svertla - 13 months ago
God bless you Janice. She is just beautiful and I can't imagine anyone allowing her to get so thin. She looks like she was systematically starved. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Gaits Preference...canter..bucking..
In my experience, horses do not buck to annoy or hurt people, although that is often the result. They buck from fear, pain, confusion, high spirits. Even when I was younger, I didn't like to ride a bucking horse and have managed not to ride one very often by doing careful ground work in preparation for riding, paying attention to signals the horse is sending and generally not putting myself in a position where a bucking episode could not be stopped, as might be the case out in an open field or on a trail. There are some more innocent kinds of bucking. Our daughter Abby's Arab occassionally throws in a playful buck when cantering - the same sort you might see a horse execute in the pasture and Hunter bucked when he was attacked by yellow jackets on a narrow trail with a horse in front and another behind. It was a very polite buck, however, and I thought forgiveable. Don't get hurt. Nancy
[IceHorses] Input on Selling A Horse
This is a request from Andi's owner: Hi Judy, I wanted to get back to you regarding Andi...Again! I showed him to a guy who has an adaptive riding center. They have a grey Icelandic in their program and want another Icelandic. He wants to do a lease with the option to buy with Andi, for approx. 3 weeks, to see how Andi will do with walking next to ramps, having someone in a wheelchair roll up the ramp and get on him...crutches, and other things that they might need to use in their program for people with special needs. Does that sound legit to you? It did to me, but then, they seemed like the "perfect" people...They got right down to business in handling him, riding him and testing him with floppy legs, arms, banging in the side of the metal bull pen while riding Andi...It was pretty funny to see what they put Andi through. They rode him around the ranch and in the arena, with and without stirrups. The contract is very general, and they want to take him asap, so I made one of my own contracts to cover who pays for what during the lease time...Anyway, I am going on the BBB site next to see if there has been any complaints about them. I would welcome any advice that you or others may have about this. I tried to get into the group discussion on your site, but didn't have enough time to poke around and be successful. Well, I will let you know about it. They had no problem with his purchase price of 3500, and offered me a check today to hold until the lease period is up. Would it be wrong for me to insist on cash? It would be great, if you could put it on the group site to see what others would do. If it turns out that they are who they say they are, it would be a totally awesome home and experience for Andi. Thanks again, you are a wellspring of hope! Carla
Re: [IceHorses] Dark horses
oh...please still my beating heart! <;] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
RE: [IceHorses] Gaits Preference...canter..bucking..
andi *would* suggest cantering her on the trails. I think that is a dangerous suggestion given what she described. If the horse is bucking and having other signs of being unhappy or uncomfortable, that's just asking for trouble. A lot more things can go wrong on the trail than in an enclosed environment. Investigate the problem and work on it first - and that might even mean no riding, anywhere for a while. She's already realized the horse has a problem. Why ask for an injured human to boot? A good trainer seldom won't get bucked off very often ...not that they can always ride that well, but simply because they know when to say no. Who was it - Janice? - who pointed out that Tivar seemed contrite after she slipped off his back the other day? I think horses have a strong feeling of being "bad" or "good", even when there are accidents. Even if I didn't care to protect the rider, and I do, I'd say hold back for the horse's self-confidence, until the problem can be diagnosed and fixed. Vicka, you've said that you've never trained a horse, and we know that Stjarni is basically your first horse, except for a pony you briefly had as a child. It's not really a good idea to give advice to someone when you don't have experience to back up your recommendation. And it's always a good idea to err to the side of caution. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Gait in the field
Seriously nice trot. That's the one gait I do understand. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Gag Bits
I love that she says (paraphrased) : if your end goal is to use a snaffle then using a more severe bit will not get you. Amen!!! Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Twist
You're so funny Janice. I wish I'd thought of that. I would have insisted he was doing a piaffe - if I knew how to spell it. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
Hi Wanda, >>>Janice, here's a pic of my Brian. Hey looks like a cute match. There is another site - plentyoffish.com that people have had luck with and it is free. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] Meeting or Exceeding the Standard
I understand your point here Judy, but I will come out and say I do not think the majority of people on this list can/do/or most of thev time ride like that. She asked what trainers would do it, not just us normal riders/owners, so that's really not asking so much. Heck, I'm pretty old and banged up, certainly no trainer, and I do all of that - barefoot, bitless, treeless, no noseband, no whip (fly whisks for bugs and spider webs - I assume that's ok!) and we rarely even use the EZ-boot type boots.If I can do it, certainly some Icelandic trainers can do it. I do use a bit a good bit of time, but I'd certainly accept a challenge to prove I'm not dependent on one. Actually Judy, I think Christine starts a lot of Robyn's horses that way, at least in the very beginning - but maybe with shoes...? So, there's one... Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
>>> my gosh he could make big money if he wanted to start training horses or >>> something.. Oh you're too funny! He is cute, Wanda! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
On 26/06/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do I have to diet too? No apparently Janice has a different approach to preparing for a wedding...we eat all the cheese cake we can find. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Gaits Preference...canter..bucking..
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 07:19:23PM -, wcobpony wrote: > I have a few questions..:). I bought my mare Emmy two months ago and > have had an interesting time with her. > [...] a few questions and suggestions: does she buck at the canter when lunging or in the field? has she been seen by a vet? (the chiro plan sounds wise...) if you massage her, do you find sensitive/tense/unhappy spots? (not poking and prodding, petting and circling and rubbing. poking is just annoying to horses, as it would be to people. but massage should be relaxing, and tense spots show up as pain followed (if you keep massaging) by release.) andi *would* suggest cantering her on the trails. my stjarni is not the best at cantering in our (small, slanty) ring, and while he doesn't buck (under saddle; he bucks like a fiend when free- lunging and playing) he does break gait a lot. but on a nice straight uphill with good footing and good visibility, he loves a canter (or gallop) and does any speed, very relaxed. just one person's tuppence, --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Meeting or Exceeding the Standard
> So I say lets start with asking for little > bits...barefoot would be a > start, allowing barefoot riders in Evals and > competition.I > thought they allowed it fo one of those, but I am > probably wrong... > > > Small steps. I understand your point, Skye. But you're new :-) Some of us have been doing this for at least a decade in Icelandics, and more in other gaited breeds. I ask for it all, because the breed deserves it; and if there's a *professional* / *certified* trainer out there, they should be able to do it with no problem and set a high standard for the rest of the trainers and owners. I feel that they DO have a responsibility to be absolutely above-board and not promote gimmicks, and learn how to train gaits naturally. If we, as regular trail-riding people, can't (or don't desire to) attain that high, that's OK, but we should EXPECT it of the professionals! Anyway, it's been a long time, a tough road; I have my standards and won't lower them for those who are making money on the breed, at its expense. Judy http://iceryder.net
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
Pretty gal, probably not my sons type tho, Well, none of them are. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f74/hansenshorses/lukegrad-1.jpg
Re: [IceHorses] Gag Bits
OMGawd...that makes me want to throw up! what breeds use these. Raven
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
>>what would possess her to have a pic like that put on matchmaker .com because she's a knock out and can do it! >> unless she was looking for a job as an exotic dancer. well...they do make good $. <;] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
WOWZERS! Your daughter is stunning! She looks like you. <;] Raven Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
Wow...your son is also beautiful! So...when's the wedding? Will a Ice Pony bring the bride into the church/wedding hall? We could have a internet wedding shower! <;] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
>>I'll send a pic of my son Brian, and then we can start planning the wedding you two really should set up your kids for a blind date! >:] raven
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
On 6/26/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > joke: > > what are a thousand DQP inspectors at the bottom of the sea... > > answer: > > a good start. I dunno--I think it should be: What are a thousand BL breeders... Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] Gag Bits
> Here are a couple of gag bits (aka wonder bit, pessoa bit). > > The action of these bits puts the horse's head in a vice because of the > sliding action, along with the purchase and the shank. > > This is NOT a good, or a kind bit. Interesting how both the horse and the mule have the exact same expression on their faces. Robyn S.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Vin
> What gait for this mare: Another pathetically trussed-up horse... :( Not sure about gait--foxtrot on this one perhaps? Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] Meeting or Exceeding the Standard
> > Who will be the first Icelandic trainer to step out of > the mold, ride barefoot, treeless, bitless, > nosebandless, whipless, bootless, centered, and with a > strawberry of contact on the reins to show a naturally > gaited Icelandic Horse? I understand your point here Judy, but I will come out and say I do not think the majority of people on this list can/do/or most of the time ride like that. I know I will probably never I wear sandals when riding Check! I do not ride with a whip Check! (I have been known to tear down a small branch a time or two, never of course needing to use it as an aid --- not to whip or harm or hurt. I do ride barefoot when I can... Check! I work on being centered Check! Always working on my contact Check! But treeless, lets see I am not even going there with my size and injuries. Bitless, probably not Nosebandless sometimes, depending on the horse and what we are doing Its not really even a goal of mine to do all these things. Getting on my horse with ease with a mounting block is. So I say lets start with asking for little bits...barefoot would be a start, allowing barefoot riders in Evals and competition.I thought they allowed it fo one of those, but I am probably wrong... Small steps. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
On 26/06/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hey is he tall and thin?? A psychic told me she would end up marrying > a guy who was tall and dark and thin so that when people saw them > together they would joke about them being mutt and jeff. she is short > and blonde. > Janice-- > yipie tie yie yo Rats! No...he's 5'11" and dark blonde... Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
>>> I'll send a pic of my son Brian, and then we can start planning the >>> wedding... I'll book a hall, and start dieting.. Ok. Sounds good. Should I send Emily's pic to Anneliese for her to forward to her son? They could have a double wedding. Do I have to diet too? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Synchronized fillies
Tifa and Kola were born the same day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFviV0fXAuE Kola is black, and Tifa has the flagging tail. Both showed a lot of gait when they were very young, from birth through their first few months. They are trotting a lot now as yearlings. It will be interesting to see how they grow up. They are best friends. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Meeting or Exceeding the Standard
I personally don't think we should settle for simply meeting the laws / rules / standards of the HPA. I think we should EXCEED them! Be squeaky clean! Why not? It's for the good of the breed. The ability to use boots for *protection*, heavier shoes, doesn't do any good for the breed... it only allows a person to win a ribbon... while the breed suffers the loss of natural gait. What's wrong with being really clean? where nothing, absolutely nothing is questionable? Who has a problem with being clean? Who will be the first Icelandic trainer to step out of the mold, ride barefoot, treeless, bitless, nosebandless, whipless, bootless, centered, and with a strawberry of contact on the reins to show a naturally gaited Icelandic Horse? Why is the breed not that popular? Why are the breeds of Fjord, Peruvian Paso, Paso Fino, Welsh, Rocky Mountain, Kentucky Mountain passing us up in numbers by tenfold? Because many people can see what some of us can't! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
On 6/26/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26/06/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ok this is my last try :) > > Janice-- > > I'll send a pic of my son Brian, and then we can start planning the wedding... > > I'll book a hall, and start dieting.. > > Wanda > i cant believe you would do that to me and make me look like a big cow at my own daughters wedding. We are in this together... lets try and be four sizes bigger by the wedding. could you see the pic?? what would possess her to have a pic like that put on matchmaker .com unless she was looking for a job as an exotic dancer... she has my sense of humor but got her father's brain i swear! janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
On 6/26/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26/06/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Janice, here's a pic of my Brian. > > Wanda > KA-CHING its a MATCH!! We already got the ponies wh h bring on the grandkids!!!-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] DQP
The DQP is the Designated Qualified Person at a show who is supposed to uphold the HPA, but they have been looking the other way for years. If they turn anyone in, they won't get hired to work at any other shows; it's a circus. If they can turn a blind eye to BL, they surely aren't going to write up an Icelandic. Things are changing, tho. Icelandics have been mentioned at the meetings; things will catch up in time. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
On 6/26/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26/06/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Janice, here's a pic of my Brian. > > Wanda > my gosh he could make big money if he wanted to start training horses or something... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
hey is he tall and thin?? A psychic told me she would end up marrying a guy who was tall and dark and thin so that when people saw them together they would joke about them being mutt and jeff. she is short and blonde. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
>>i wonder if you could put vaseline on a DQP inspectors pointy head how about just a bit of "stewarding"? man...i'm being mean. sorry. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
On 6/26/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26/06/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > joke: > > > > what are a thousand DQP inspectors at the bottom of the sea... > > What is a DQP inspector? > > Wanda > I'm not real sure but when I said that joke I had the notion they were those inspectors who go to walking horse shows and inspect all the horses for soring and gee! Never see a thing!! even while people all around are fainting from the DMSO and acid fumes... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
i wonder if you could put vaseline on a DQP inspectors pointy head and get that tongue ring paralysis bit over it like a ring toss game and squeeze it down over his ears and around his neck and see if he might try and be a little more conscientious about actually opening his freakin eyeballs abnd seeing some soring. HA. is it a full moon?!?!? I am fulla beans tonight! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT janices daughter pic
On 26/06/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ok this is my last try :) > Janice-- I'll send a pic of my son Brian, and then we can start planning the wedding... I'll book a hall, and start dieting.. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
On 26/06/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > joke: > > what are a thousand DQP inspectors at the bottom of the sea... What is a DQP inspector? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
joke: what are a thousand DQP inspectors at the bottom of the sea... answer: a good start. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
>> was much closer to agreeing with you folks than calling you out nick...are your horses flat shod? no ice shoes and ice boots? no nosebands? are they naturally trained or are they sent to icelandic trainers? >> I was merely adding the positive point that we DON'T do many of the things that some of those other breeds do. true...but many other things are being done to our breed. >> NWHA. I was at a gaited horse show last weekend with an excellent DQP inspector well...i'm glad to hear that DQPs are getting honest. that has not always been the case. who sponsered this show? Minnesota Walking Horse Association or Heart of America? Tri-State? Were any heavy shod classes were offered..Lite Shod..Plantation..Big Lick? again...i have a long history with the MWHA. for many years I urge them to stop supporting big lick trainers (3 in MN/1 WI). i hope they have finally seen the light. >> Our lite shot little Iceys took first and second in both of the competitive classes nick...that's super! how about sharing some show photos with the list? >>I'm just saying - we don't plantation shoe, and that is a good thing yes...that is a good thing. nowlet's do something about the heavy icelandic boots and shoes. let's get rid of Ice Tolts in the Midwest! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Tongue Paralysis
On 26/06/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would love to see that clamped down tight around the guy who > invented its wanker, but nah, it would no doubt be wa tooo big. > Janice Janice, I have a distinct impression that you would be a hit at parties... Always so subtle with your thoughts and feelings... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
--- Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Plantation classes are allowed to use shoes that are 3/4 of an > inch > thick and 1 1/2 inches deep...for perspective, most keg shoes are > 3/4 > of an inch DEEP and 3/8 inch THICK. > > hi nick...how big are the icelandic shoes? the ones i have seen are > fairly thick. also, what is being discussed on this list is what > is > done to iceponies. > I still have Foss's shoes when he came over from Iceland, I will dig them out of the barn and measure them. A lot of the Keg shoes we use over here (St. Croix and a lighter shoe made in Malaysia) are not 3/8" thick.I will measure our keg shoes that we stockthe poly shoes we use are thicker than the kegs, but much lighter and give a lot. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] Svertla
Oh my goodness, Karen, what an elegant beauty she has turned out to be... She is pretty amazing. I can't believe the change in just a little over a year. I got a video of her foxtrotting at liberty this afternoon - not sure yet if it will be clear enough to post to You Tube. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Svertla
She looks great! What is she like personality-wise? Brave, smart, and near the top of the pecking order in the mare herd. She's also very friendly and curious. She's got a lot of self-confidence, and has had since she got off the trailer here, after her ordeal in Florida. She should make a lovely trail horse - like all the Unicorn Valley horses I've met.It's hard to believe what she went through. I'll find a pic from last year in a minute and send for comparison. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Primitive markings
>>> Foss has them slightly around his kneeskinda cool how they look with the black silver dapple color Those are Tifa's legs. Her mom is chestnut/flaxen and her dad silver dapple. There's no dun in either parent, so I'm pretty sure she's s/d - just not a strong expression. I guess I could have her color tested, but I'm not sure I care enough to bother. She is what she is. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Gait in the field
It's sometimes good to see trot in the field too! Sina went through some pacey periods over the years, but most turned out to be due to a problem - poor saddle fit, getting back into shape after Landi was born, etc. She gaits a lot in the pasture, usually stepping pace, saddle rack or foxtrot, but since I once was afraid she'd be pacey, this is a pleasant sight to see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZEU2Rxp200 Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Farm life-----Countryside Mag
--- Anneliese Virro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/26/07 11:33 AM, "Robyn Schulze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> Robyn: I think we are leading parallel lives except that I > started a little > >> later in life with the horses. > > > > A super magazine for homesteading is "Countryside & Small Stock > Journal" > > > > http://www.countrysidemag.com/ > > > > This is what prompted me to try rabbits (and now bees, a recent > > addition this year) and finally make the jump to getting a > greenhouse. > > The mag has tons of info and interesting articles, but what > really > > makes it good is many letters from readers detailing their > > experiences, what works and what doesn't. In fact, most of the > > magazine is really written by readers (and it's not that cheesy > > "Country" magazine--not the same thing at all). > > Robyn: > > Thank you for the reference. I think I will subscribe. > Anneliese We buy that magazine and it has a lot of good info. We used to subcribe, but we find that 1/2 the year they have articles geared toward homesteading in Very Cold Climates, so now we just buy the summer editons, or when they have something we are really interested in...border books carry it. It does have good and interesting articles. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses]Breed gaits/Foals
now THATS a scooter booter, my kinda icey :) He is so CUTE.-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] The Pajama Project
Don't forget the Pajama Project. As a group, we can bring good karma around to the Icelandic Horses by doing community service :-) http://www.google.com/base/a/1196895/D13957269745682597826 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Twist
On 6/26/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry - I really don't expect anyone to try to do a gait analysis of this > rather odd horse from part of a still photo, but it does show the bit, his > usual sleepy demeanor and a typical head position. This horse may have > something else going on. I'm going to have the chiro work on him next time > he's out. That's our daughter Abby up. > > Nancy > he is beautiful and shiney, such a nice rich color. as for gait, oh why not! Speed rack haha'Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
>>Plantation classes are allowed to use shoes that are 3/4 of an inch thick and 1 1/2 inches deep...for perspective, most keg shoes are 3/4 of an inch DEEP and 3/8 inch THICK. hi nick...how big are the icelandic shoes? the ones i have seen are fairly thick. also, what is being discussed on this list is what is done to iceponies. nick...before owning an ice pony...i had TWH for many...many years and for many ...many years. i fought hard to change the way TWH are heavy shod and the use of training gimmicks. to the point that death threats were made against me, my husband, my dogs and my horses by the good ole boys in MN/WI/IA. when i first looked into icelandics...i wanted a natural gaiting horse and wanted to be part of a breed that encourage natural gaits and training methods. after buying my first ice pony, i was shocked to learn that training gimmicks (placing saddle back on loins, leaning back in the saddle, etc) were allowed and heavy shoes were encouraged for gait enhancement and animation. in fact...i was blackballed in the local ice community for speaking out against the heavy shoes and training gimmicks. sure..maybe i'm a bit of a maverick when it comes to horses, but you can bet that i do it for the love of the horse. it's not hard to gait train a horse naturally. it just takes timeand patience, when i got huginn his gaits were not set...and they were rough. over the last few years...i have worked hard on getting him a saddle that fits, one that does not hurt his back with narrow gullets and long panels. last summer...our goal was improving his tolt. did i take short cuts..nope. we worked on it...every time i rode. long slow...work. but it had paid off. he now offers tolt when i ask him to move out. sure...it's not perfect, but it's fun and smooth. i would never think of forcing him into a gait that his body may not be built for. if i get any pleasure gaitsi am happy. so...yes...our breed may not use plantation shoes...but heavy shoes and heavy boots are still used and many icelandic horse owners in the USA are okay with that. and that...is what i am NOT okay with. i sure hope that one day the USIHC opens it's eyes and encourages the sound and natural way of going for icelandic horses. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Svertla
She looks great! What is she like personality-wise? Sue
Re: [IceHorses] Tongue Paralysis
I would love to see that clamped down tight around the guy who invented its wanker, but nah, it would no doubt be wa tooo big. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
>>I get darned tired of the abuses in our breed being passed off as ok this way, simply because a few people do worse. It is not ok, no matter what other people do. It makes me remember the days I used to hear, "But MOM, ALL the kids are doing" I didn't fall for that from a 12-year-old kid, and I'm not buying it now in this situation.. That is what really...really irks me. When a new to Icelandic Horse owner is told that they need to ride their horse correctly (in the traditional manner), they need an Ice saddle, they need to attend Ice clinics and send the pony to an Ice trainer, they need to get an Ice farrier and use Ice shoes. G! Honestly...if I can been new to horses...I too would have fallen for that crap. And IMHO..it's crap. Sure...I have a Ice Pony...but there is nothing traditional about him. He is an all American Ice Pony now. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Farm life
On 6/26/07 11:33 AM, "Robyn Schulze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Robyn: I think we are leading parallel lives except that I started a little >> later in life with the horses. > > A super magazine for homesteading is "Countryside & Small Stock Journal" > > http://www.countrysidemag.com/ > > This is what prompted me to try rabbits (and now bees, a recent > addition this year) and finally make the jump to getting a greenhouse. > The mag has tons of info and interesting articles, but what really > makes it good is many letters from readers detailing their > experiences, what works and what doesn't. In fact, most of the > magazine is really written by readers (and it's not that cheesy > "Country" magazine--not the same thing at all). Robyn: Thank you for the reference. I think I will subscribe. From what you say it seems to have information I am interested in. I'll just check the library first to see if they have any on hand and can see if I like it. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Farm life
Susan McKenney wrote: >> My husband is in the process of building a chicken treehouse complex. >> I'll send pics when it's done. >> Can't wait to see it...I am crossing my fingers that I'll get chickens for my birthday =-O ! I remember the pic Cherie sent in of the chicken tractor he built for her boss...one of the nicest I've ever seen. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Farm life
> My husband is in the process of building a chicken treehouse complex. > I'll send pics when it's done. > Sue
Re: [IceHorses] Svertla
Oh my goodness, Karen, what an elegant beauty she has turned out to be... Trish
Re: [IceHorses] OT-my daughter
On 6/25/07 10:42 PM, "Raven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Incidentally, I have a son who has tried match.com and says that all > the girls are horrendously overweight > > well...not all woman can be a size 0-4. raven > No, and I am not, and he is not, but 220 pounds at age 28? I am definitely not an advocate for starving yourself to be fashion-model-like thin. I am not talking about pleasingly plump but obese, and obesity causes a lot of health problems even in young years, worse in middle age and worst in old age if they live that long. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Primitive markings
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What colors, other than duns, can have primitive leg barring or > "zebra > stripes"? > > Karen Thomas, NC Foss has them slightly around his kneeskinda cool how they look with the black silver dapple color. Skye > Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] OT -pic of Tahoe Fire from 60 miles away
Oh...i found a link to the story http://tinyurl.com/2rv6cs I spent Weds nite at my friend's in Rochester on the way down to Forestville. that nite the storm was so bad, that my RV was rocking from side-to-side from the high winds. Again on Thursday afternoon...another storm rolled in. high windslots of lightening. my ponies were on the line...butts to the winds and pounding rain. Friday...it rained all day too. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] OT -pic of Tahoe Fire from 60 miles away
>> Dry lightening - the biggest cause of fires around here how's the fire today? speaking of lightening. over the weekend..while camping...i had to call the vet over the weekend for huginn. he was running a temp of 104.5. <;[ anywho...on thursday...a huge t-storm rolled through the area...the lightening was bad. there was a lightening strike at a nearby town and it hit a horse pasture. one horse was killed and another was badly hurt. the vet told me he had never seen such a horrible thing in his entire career and the whole time he was a child riding along with his dad who was also a vet. it appeared to the vet...that the lightening some how picked the horse up and slammed it back down. it broke the rear legs...shattered them all the way up to the hips and the poor horse's skin was coming off it's body from the burns. i thought the vet was going to cry when he was telling me the story. he said, he was glad that huginn's visit was a simply cold. how sad for those horse's owners. <:9[ BTW...huginn is feeling much better! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] What Gait / Vin
What gait for this mare: http://iceryder.net/videogaitvin.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices/Trish
On 26/06/07, Nick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 8. Water 1000 > > not sure how to ride on it :-) > > > > 9. Solid Ice 919 > > > > Let me also add that water and solid ice have certain other unique > chemical properties that effect the way their surfaces interact with > pressure, but I'm not sure exactly how that would practically apply in > the case of our interests. > > ~Nick What about Ice on top of concrete as is found in most hockey arenas...?? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] sell or trade
I have 3 2 yo stud colts. I've been trying to decide which one to keep as a stallion to best suit our needs, and it has been very difficult. They're all wonderful, and unique. Since we are a family homestead and gearing towards other family homesteaders for our breeding market, I'm leaning towards putting our showiest colt on the market, for sale or trade. I think his potential would be best met elsewhere. It's tough to do, though, because I think he is the most gorgeous in my herd, and I love watching him. He's curious and loves scratches, and he didn't flinch when my kids climbed on him in the pasture. We haven't done much with him, yet, except the basic Games, leading and trims. He has been with mares, the other colts and a couple of big mules, and gets along great with everyone. I'm pretty sure that he bred a couple of mares. He is polite and gentle, but oh so handsome. Deep copper color with a bright flaxen mane, beautiful conformation, great feet, gaits in the pasture. I haven't sticked him, but he is pretty tall already. Genetically, he is supposed to go to 13.1, but he seems close to that now. We are in the UP of Michigan. I would consider a trade for a mare. Must be at least 3 years old. Meg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 906 884 6900
[IceHorses] Re: Gaits Preference...canter..bucking..
Hi Zoe: > The lady said she would try maybe bucking when I first start taking > her out as she likes to test new people. I don't know if horses test people like that. We recently talked about how horses try to communicate discomfort to their owners. Perhaps she is uncomfortable in some way? > Now she has taken to bucking..humping hopping...when cantered. The > lady I bought her off said she would try all sorts of funny gaits, so > she would make her canter and canter untill she was really tired. The > lady said this was to make Emmy know she (the rider ) was in charge > of what gaits should be using. How would the horse know what the rider was trying to get her to do? Does that sound logical? Say some woman, as a housewife, is supposed to do the dishes every day. At least that's what her husband feels is her job as a wife. They don't talk about it, but she doesn't do the dishes, and one day he comes home and makes her run around the house 100 times. How is she supposed to connect that punishment to what he wants her to do? That's more like domestic abuse, I think. > When I tried her before I bought her, she cantered okay..but I had to > press her to canter and she was really quick in that canter, she did > not want to go slowly. Some gaited horses can't canter slowly. They need the speed to be able to use it to carry them thru the gait. > With the saddle on I alwasy feel like I am tilted to the left on her. > or the saddle is off to the left a bit. Is the saddle crooked? Or maybe you or the horse? > Now Emmy has given me the "evil eye" when I tack her up. The owner > said she had done that to her too and that she bloats like crazy, > but I never noticed as I do up the girth very slowly wand walk around > between tighening. Something is wrong; and she's getting mad that no one is listening to her! > Now my concern is that maybe she has a back issue that was never > addressed? Or she is just trying to get the upper hand with me. SHe > is very sweet and well mannered on the ground. SHe is very good at a > trot or other gait But at a canter she sometimes cross canters and > starts bucking. Now she does this with her ears forward!!! Maybe you have hit on the answer! If not her back, it could be her feet... any contracted heels? Is she imported or domestic? Was she ever run on ice? Who originally trained her? > I am getting a chiropractor out for her in the next few weeks. I will > get her teeth done to, althought they were done about 8 months ago. Does she have any wolf teeth hiding under the gum? Do you know if she was trained with a tight noseband? That could have caused some problems. Maybe ulcers? Thanks for taking the time to look for this mare's problem! Send pictures of her! Also, do you have any video of what gait she does naturally? Thanks! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Gaits & Vanity
Hi Nancy...looks like Foxtrot to me. But...I am no gait expert. <;] Hunter is beautiful!! Way to go on the 20#. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Rack / Frame
> Well - I guess I should give it a try. It is so foreign to me that a > rider > would pull a horse's head UP, that I hadn't considered this would be > something I should do. And this horse racks (or whatever it is he does) > automatically so I really don't have to "do" anything to make it happen. OK, if he does the gait naturally, without someone pulling his head, why do it? > Okay - tell me how this would work. He is an off track Standardbred. > His default gait either is the pace or he was forced to pace with hobbles > for so long that pace is the result. He can trot and canter. > > So this horse travels with his head down and out in front of him. If I > could change his head position, could I change his gait? And if I could > do > that, where should I bring his head? Can we see a video of him doing what he does naturally first? What bit does he go in? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Rack / Frame
> Oh good Karen - where DO the gaits come from? I'm serious here. Do they > come from the way the horse is "wired"? From the way he is ridden? > trained? genetics? bits? Natural gait is based on conformation, musculature, and neural wiring. It can be enhanced (either good or bad) by riding, training, and mechanical aids. We'd like to see the Icelandic Horses get away from the mechanical aids, go more towards riding and training natural gaits, and breeding natural gaits. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Conformation and Gait
Here's one page: Thanks, Judy. And here's a link to the thread after the Liz clinic in NC last fall. You can go to the website and search for "conformation dots." http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/message/86441 Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Rack / Frame
Well - I guess I should give it a try. It is so foreign to me that a rider would pull a horse's head UP, that I hadn't considered this would be something I should do. And this horse racks (or whatever it is he does) automatically so I really don't have to "do" anything to make it happen. Okay - tell me how this would work. I have another horse I ride (wish this year would get over so I'd have Yrsa). He is an off track Standardbred. His default gait either is the pace or he was forced to pace with hobbles for so long that pace is the result. He can trot and canter. So this horse travels with his head down and out in front of him. If I could change his head position, could I change his gait? And if I could do that, where should I bring his head? Nancy
[IceHorses] Conformation and Gait
> Now, to see if I can find the notes that someone > else has written on the > subject - Judy do you have something on this on your > website? Here's one page: http://iceryder.net/lee/confanalysis.html It's the Do Your Own Conformation Analysis for Gait page. I can't do it now, but if you go to the homepage http://iceryder.net and use the search box at the bottom, you can probably find Renee's reports from Liz's clinics that tell a lot about conformation and gait. Also, Liz has a video called Structure of Gaited Horses, that should also be able to be found thru the search box at http://iceryder.net Judy
RE: [IceHorses]Breed gaits/Foals - picture link
He is about the sweetest thing I have ever seen. Made my eyes a little teary. And almost as cute as the foal is the expression on the man's (husband?) proud papa face. He's my husband, Cary, and he's just as big a sucker for the babies as I am. He's an Icelandic convert too. He has a taller Icelandic that is his pride and joy. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses]Breed gaits/Foals - picture link
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of the seven foals we've had born here, Landi was born maybe > slightly early, hard to believe this is the same foal that > today, just > turned one, is about 13H. He's certainly a healthy boy now. :) > > I just put these pictures together - I think I sent a few of them > in when he > was born. > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.7xykj3rf&x=0&y=-ebxvfj > > Karen Thomas He looks lovely Karen, we call it "oiled joints" loose and fluid. Would love to see a picture of him now, if you sent one I missed it, the list has had a lot of mail latley, which is great! Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] Rack / Frame
>>> Oh good Karen - where DO the gaits come from? I'm serious here. Do they come from the way the horse is "wired"? From the way he is ridden? trained? genetics? bits? Yes. :) The conformation is probably the biggest single factor - at least I think so, but all the things you mention also are factors. I think there is a section in Lee's book about how conformation affects the horses gait, but Liz Graves does a fabulous lecture on the subject - go see her if you ever get a chance. Basically, the way the all the angles in the horse's back and rear leg joints are put together are the key. I'll see if I can find the markups Liz did of Falki and Trausti at the 2005 clinic. The front shoulder joints and angles can also come into play a little bit, but basically, the gait originates in the back. Didn't someone (Cherie?) write this up for the list after the Liz clinic last fall? That would be good to review. I admit, I went into her first lecture a little skeptical, but came out convinced. There's no precise formula of course, but she's been right within a very reasonable margin of error with every one of the horses I've seen her mark up. But you're right, the other factors you mention are factors too, but probably not as big as the conformation, at least not most of the time. Liz has a nice video on the subject too. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Gaits & Vanity
And yes, you're quite right, we were doing what I think is a rack just before we realized we were about to miss a turn. He could very well have got his "gait" wires crossed. Hey, I'm not sure that's a bad thing, if they morph though an extra gait on a transition - in fact, judging from what I see in my herd at liberty, I think that's probably pretty normal. If I were showing, I might like their transitions to be more precise, but showing is the LAST thing on my mind! >>> Susan kindly taught me how to use YouTube, so one of these days I'll have someone do a short video and you all can teach me about gaits. Cool! It will be good to see. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Rack / Frame
Yes - have been riding, showing, training for over 40 years, getting horses ready so that other people could take them on to Combined Training and Three Day Eventing. I never had the nerve for the big solid jumps, but I liked the training. I've also done some driving. We have never raided foals so my experience is more with horses four years old and older. I am new to gaited horses. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Rack / Frame
>>>I feel that with this 11 year old TWH the gait determines the > position of his head and neck. In other words, when he's doing a flat walk, > his neck his rounded relaxed. When he is doing a running walk, he's still > nicely relaxed and he has some nod (but not like the lovely palamino). When > he racks, he is ventroflexed. This horse is pretty hollow at the trot, not > something I particularly like. Gaits don't originate from the feet. I'm still not sure I understand, but I'll take a guess at answering: I think, probably, you are looking at this from a different perspective, not a bad one, but a good one, because you probably do not pull the horses into frames, so you're naive, if I can say that, about how to do it, how it works. The frame of the horse helps a horse do certain gaits. Such as with the rack / tolt, the horse needs to be somewhat ventroflexed to be able to do it. You won't see a horse that is rounded doing a tolt! It's biomechanically impossible. When riders pull the horses' heads up, if the horse is wired laterally, he will rack; if he is wired diagonally, he will trot in a ventro position. With your TWH, his neck and head are like a lever on a fulcum. Where he places his head and neck, will affect what frame his body takes (high = ventroflexed, low = neutral). If his head is high, his body is ventro'd, and his feet can only do "this". If his head is low, his body is neutral, and his feet are able do "that". Am I anywhere near what you were looking for in an answer? > I don't feel I could pull his head and neck up into a ventroflexed position > and MAKE him rack. I feel that head and neck position result from the gait. Why don't you feel he would rack if you could pull his head up? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses]Breed gaits/Foals - picture link
He is about the sweetest thing I have ever seen. Made my eyes a little teary. And almost as cute as the foal is the expression on the man's (husband?) proud papa face. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Rack / Frame
Oh good Karen - where DO the gaits come from? I'm serious here. Do they come from the way the horse is "wired"? From the way he is ridden? trained? genetics? bits? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Gaits & Vanity
Karen, I have been told by two TWH breeders that he racks, sometimes really fast. I actually only base my saying he racks on their words. And yes, you're quite right, we were doing what I think is a rack just before we realized we were about to miss a turn. He could very well have got his "gait" wires crossed. Susan kindly taught me how to use YouTube, so one of these days I'll have someone do a short video and you all can teach me about gaits. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Rack / Frame
Let's see. I feel that with this 11 year old TWH the gait determines the position of his head and neck. In other words, when he's doing a flat walk, his neck his rounded relaxed. When he is doing a running walk, he's still nicely relaxed and he has some nod (but not like the lovely palamino). When he racks, he is ventroflexed. This horse is pretty hollow at the trot, not something I particularly like. You've had horses a long time, right Nancy? >>> I'm open to suggestions here and not particularly sensitive to correction. Do I have it wrong? I can't see your horse, but it sounds to me like you probably have a lot right. BTW, you do know that a horse can have some head nod with a foxtrot too...? I personally like the foxtrot - and I like the running walk too. I have an old back injury, and the slight motion of the foxtrot keeps my back gently swaying - I don't really bounce, but I'm not perfectly still either. When I'm riding a horse that saddle racks (I don't have one that freely offers a true rack) my back seems more likely to lock up. I know it may seem odd, but of all the soft gaits, I like saddle rack and rack the least, not really any better than a step-pace. That's just me though. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Tibra
> Not at all. Esp. since in the case of my TWH anyway, he has a nice RW > when he is relaxed, but when stressed or excited he tends to do a step > pace, > looser than this horse b/c I'm not in his mouth at those times. My TWH will go into a very uncomfortable pace (I think) when excited...not tense as in fearful or stressed but excited because for example other horses are running fast ahead and she doesn't want to stay behind. It's the funniest thing. But, all I have to do is lean back a little bit and put a little more pressure on the bit and she will go back into a nice comfortable gait (rack or fox trot or whatever it is that is smooth as silk) or lean forward a bit and squeeze my legs and give her rein and she will go into a nice rocking horse canter. Without a signal though... she'll do that pace and just stay in that going faster and faster until I feel like I'm riding a jackhammer. :) I can't imagine why she does that because it seems like it'd be uncomfortable for her too but she does it.
RE: [IceHorses] Gaits & Vanity
Susan and Robyn both say foxtrot. I sent this photo to illustrate a story I wrote for Walking Horse News and the editor commented on the "nice running walk". I wasn't sure what he was doing, but could remember the moment the picture was taken and was pretty sure he wasn't doing a RW. We were flying along behind my daughter's Arab because I had promised the horse's owner I'd stay with them on their first ride (she has since bought the horse) when we came to an abrupt left turn. I was pulling Hunter up to turn and that was when the photographer took the picture. I meant to comment earlier, but didn't get around to it. My impression was foxtrot as well, but another thing to remember is that gaits morph during transitions too. What do you think he might have been doing before the transition started? Is he the one you say often racks? I notice you said you were "flying along" just a moment before, so that makes me think about a rack. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Tibra
Not at all. Esp. since in the case of my TWH anyway, he has a nice RW when he is relaxed, but when stressed or excited he tends to do a step pace, looser than this horse b/c I'm not in his mouth at those times. Good point, Robyn. Sorry, I'm probably going to wear this out for a while, but when people ask why we should bother to learn about the gaits, Robyn just named another reason. Horses often change their gaits when tense, and changing from a r/w to step-pace is pretty common. Trausti prefers r/w - but if he's tense, he'll step-pace. I don't use force tactics, so the tension I've seen in him has been something simple, like maybe being distracted by something a buddy might be doing in the pasture, or by his suggestion that he'd rather go on the trail than stay in the ring... But, if he were to get step-pacey without an obvious local distraction, I'd know to look for some sort of tension. Tension might be due to an injury, a piece of bad tack, back soreness, or something else, but I'd know to start looking for the source before it became a big problem. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Rack / Frame
>>> Nancy, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying; can you say it a different way? The gait doesn't come from the feet I saw where Nancy wrote that, and you know, I kind of like the way she said it. In this case, this video, I think the only the feet are gaiting...too bad the rest of the horse isn't. The forced riding is making the feet take on a gait pattern (albeit not a nice one) but the horse is obviously not happy, and probably physically and mentally in pain. You are absolutely right, Judy, that the gaits aren't supposed to come from the feet, but unfortunately, that's all some people see or care about. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
just curious... did your iceys have to be registered NWHA to be shown, and what was the criteria for that? Did they have to be registered Racking before that?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
> Again...the higher the number, the harder the surface...many of you > will be surprised by quite a few of these...I know I was. Hi Nick, thanks for the information. It reminded me that I did happen to see the concussive practices of the Icelandic Horses being done behind the barn at a show this past weekend. I think the problem that we have with ice is, as you probably saw in the recent videos, that the horses are pounding. If they were walking, that puts less stress on their feet and joints. And the consideration of the ice nails. A horse needs to slide his back feet into place. The nails grab the foot, and the torque goes up the leg, negatively affecting his hocks (history of spavin in the breed, don't want to stress them any more than we have to), and his hips. The grab when walking is still a problem, but running that's a lot of torque. Also, as you probably saw in the recent video, the horse's hind quarters can catch a grab in the ice, and his front end can slip around. It just seems like a not-so-good thing to do when you don't *have* to do it. If they *have* to do it in Iceland for fun, entertainment, fine. But most of this country doesn't have ice or the desire to run on it, so it comes down to entertainment. Can't we find something more entertaining than stressing a horse's joints? It seems sort of a dichotomy to wear *protective* boots so they don't hurt themselves, yet expose them to something that can challenge their long-term soundness. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Rack / Frame
Let's see. I feel that with this 11 year old TWH the gait determines the position of his head and neck. In other words, when he's doing a flat walk, his neck his rounded relaxed. When he is doing a running walk, he's still nicely relaxed and he has some nod (but not like the lovely palamino). When he racks, he is ventroflexed. This horse is pretty hollow at the trot, not something I particularly like. I don't feel I could pull his head and neck up into a ventroflexed position and MAKE him rack. I feel that head and neck position result from the gait. I'm open to suggestions here and not particularly sensitive to correction. Do I have it wrong? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Tibra
> Do you think whatever the rider is doing to make this horse gait, that it is > a natural gait for this horse? Not at all. Esp. since in the case of my TWH anyway, he has a nice RW when he is relaxed, but when stressed or excited he tends to do a step pace, looser than this horse b/c I'm not in his mouth at those times. Robyn S.
[IceHorses] Re: Tongue Paralysis
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I asked Dr. Frappier about it, he > showed me the ring bit that is commonly used for leading; the pressure it > exerts can eventually cause permanent tongue paralysis. > Not good: I'm not sure how this will work, but I'm going to try and end up riding all of my horses without bits, if I can do it on this variety of horses, then anyone can do it. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Gaits & Vanity
Susan and Robyn both say foxtrot. I sent this photo to illustrate a story I wrote for Walking Horse News and the editor commented on the "nice running walk". I wasn't sure what he was doing, but could remember the moment the picture was taken and was pretty sure he wasn't doing a RW. We were flying along behind my daughter's Arab because I had promised the horse's owner I'd stay with them on their first ride (she has since bought the horse) when we came to an abrupt left turn. I was pulling Hunter up to turn and that was when the photographer took the picture. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices
> I'm sorry if this seems abrupt, but I get darned tired of the abuses in our > breed being passed off as ok this way, simply because a few people do worse. > It is not ok, no matter what other people do. It makes me remember the days > I used to hear, "But MOM, ALL the kids are doing" I didn't fall for > that from a 12-year-old kid, and I'm not buying it now in this situation.. > Wow. This was a gross misrepresentation of what I was saying. For crying out loud - I was much closer to agreeing with you folks than calling you out. For the record, Judy brought other breeds into the conversation by stating that, "other racking breeds are not allowed to wear boots." I was merely adding the positive point that we DON'T do many of the things that some of those other breeds do. I commend the rescue of horses that are intentionally sored - and so does the NWHA. I was at a gaited horse show last weekend with an excellent DQP inspector. Our lite shot little Iceys took first and second in both of the competitive classes they entered and many folks thanked us for setting a good example for the other breeds - including the fact that our horses are kept in a rounded frame and are not discouraged to trot. In summary - I'm not saying that what others do makes ANY PARTICULAR THING ok. I'm just saying - we don't plantation shoe, and that is a good thing. ~Nick
Re: [IceHorses] Rack / Frame
> Okay - you all know I am new to gaitd horses (two years with my TWH). But > my instinctive understanding is that his head and neck come up and his > back hollows slightly when his FEET rack. I don't think I could pull his > head up, hollow his back and expect him to begin to rack. For him, the > head > and neck position are a result of the gait and not the source of it. Is > that right? Nancy, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying; can you say it a different way? The gait doesn't come from the feet Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
