[IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
In natural horsemanship, how do we teach a horse to give to the bit? ... to tip his head left and right? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Trailing rear legs (The chicken or the egg...?)
> And what is a symptom that the horse isn't yet "forward"...? His legs aren't coming up under him, or may even be trailing out behind. >>I don't get it? Susan, first, I'm sorry you took my post so strongly. I didn't mean it to personal towards you, towards anyone else, or towards any horse. As far as I'm concerned this is an "in general" discussion standing on its own merits at this point, ok? I changed the subject line to reflect that - I hope that makes it clearer. Well, actually, I guess it WAS personal in a way, but I was thinking of my own personal experiences with my horses, not someone else's. >>>You are describing probably the way 95% of all horses, gaited or not, travel. ... You are speaking in terms of upper level dressage, not normal pleasure horses. No, I really don't have any personal experience with upper level dressage horses, nor do I expect that I ever will. (I've studied some dressage over the years, and while I've studied some theory, I never claimed to have anything approaching upper level experience in my horses. My lessons were always on "real-world" kinds of horses, with no delusions about achieving any serious level of collection or roundness.) I DO have some limited experience with some normal pleasure/trail horses who have had some sorts of back/gait problems - and often with gaited horses this shows up as paciness. When a vet does a lameness test on a horse - any breed, any gaitedness - one of the first things they will comment on is how the horse uses his legs and his rear end - that can be a big barometer of what's going on with their back - sometimes it's simply a matter of what their conformation allows them to do, and sometimes it's a matter of them being in pain. And sometimes, their conformation leads them to be in pain. It's not easy to isolate if the way of moving is coming from conformation, or from pain, or if the conformation is causing pain - it's often a chicken-or-the-egg situation. That's why I'm throwing in my two cents - I happen to believe that trailing rear legs is a BIG symptom to watch for, an early sign of hollowness - in our everyday, pleasure horses. As Judy wrote: "The piaffe-type pictures were just the introduction to BIG (obvious) roundness. When we learn something new, it's easier to see black and white, and then focus in on the gray areas." My experiences with my own horses have been much more in the gray areas - I really don't care about the "BIG" roundness very much. It's just not part of my world. Just as there are "BIG roundness" as Judy described it, I think there is "BIG hollowness" too - but I wouldn't ignore the more common, less-obvious signs of hollowness. Based on my limited experience (thinking of Gracie, Mac, Loftur in particular, even Tivar, Sina and Skjoni to lesser degrees) if I had to pick a few physical symptoms to warn me of trouble, or to help me isolate innate, conformational-related ways of moving/gaits from a way of moving that we can help, I would look at the horse's "apparent" gaitedness (lateral vs. diagonal) but MUCH more importantly I'd look at the WAY a horse moves - all the symptoms, things like his rear legs trailing out behind him, any short or choppy strides, as well as with any unevenness in stride, etc. I'd look at the way the horse stands at leisure too. And I would look very carefully at how freely he is able to use his head and neck, because if he's stiff at the base of his neck, there's a good chance his whole back will be stiff... and that will adversely affect his gaits. If his back were obviously dropped or swayed, I'd certainly note that because I DO think it's important - but conversely, I would not assume because his back appears level that all is well. My most lateral horse, Mac, never appeared to have an obviously dropped back until his late teens - I sincerely wish I'd paid more attention to his other, less-obvious symptoms earlier... Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Picking up the bit
Karen, I decided to get one of those new bits that have apple flavor and easy on the mouth snaffle bit with plastic, I put it a little lower so he could sample the taste of the new toy. He kinda liked that but it was making everyone else a little nervous so up went the bit in the mouth again. I was driving him some getting him to give to sides with a surcingle? I bit him up to the right for a while and then to the left for a while. This has really worked well for me. Kinda have to play with him some to keep him interested. He is gelded one month now. I love my pony. Sylvia in California. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [IceHorses] ground work
Gosh he is pretty, what a beautiful color. Sylvia ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [IceHorses] ground work
> Kevin was just getting his trust before he began > driving him. > ok. This is too weird. My horse's name is Dagur. And my husband's name is Kevin. LOL. Happy Trails from Lori 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: [IceHorses] Huginn can come HOME!!!! 7/8/07
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Congratulations to Huggin and family! > > I can't think of better news. > > Nancy Mee too. Yeah. Happy Dance Happy Trails from Lori Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Dapples
On 08/07/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, that dark one is Brunka - she has the most distinct dapples of any of my > dark horses. Svertla has them, just not so pronounced. Brunka should remind > you of Dagur - since they are half-siblings. Gosh, this is such a small > family here! Yes, she does look like Dagur doesn't she? Tonight, I went out to measure Dagur for a bit. While I was out there, I studied Solon carefully for dapples. (There might be something vague there, but I need a full sunny day to check it out.) Kevin asked me, "What are you looking for?" I said "dapples." Kevin said, "well, he might not have dapples, but he has stripes on his neck." And sure enough...he does. I'll try get a pic tomorrow in the daylight. Maybe I have a zebra AND a chocolate palomino ;).. Wanda (I just realized I have a chocolate coloured dog...)
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
Hi Skye Interesting, as we have had 2 Icelandics gelded this past year, 1 was 2 and 1/2 the other was 7 months..both of them were really out of it for an hour and a half after the procedureit seemed a little long to me, and on the 7 month old I could tell the vet seemed a little concerned that he was very out, The theory that I have, and my vet seems to agree, is that they have more mass in bone than other horses of the same weight which is why they usually take less tranquilizer for their size. Although like everything there are always exceptions. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] more ground work
On 08/07/07, Anne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Wanda, > > That is good he is doing groundwork. Any horse I get in for training gets a > ton of groundwork from the basic tp showing them tons of scarey stuff. It all > depends on the horse, sometimes I start them 3 to 3-1/2 yrs old. > > Anne Working with babies no let me rephrase that...playing with babies is always good. It teaches them to trust humans and enjoy our company. That's my thoughts on the subject anyway. We're always respectful of them and ensure they remain respectful of us...we don't want any bad habits developing We're planning to start Solon with some ground driving this week. If all goes as expected...Solon will soak it up like a sponge and ask for more. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Dapples
>>> Svertla is the dark one? She reminds me of Solon. Though I can't say I've >>> noticed any dapples on Solon. No, that dark one is Brunka - she has the most distinct dapples of any of my dark horses. Svertla has them, just not so pronounced. Brunka should remind you of Dagur - since they are half-siblings. Gosh, this is such a small family here! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM
Re: [IceHorses] more ground work
Hi Wanda, That is good he is doing groundwork. Any horse I get in for training gets a ton of groundwork from the basic tp showing them tons of scarey stuff. It all depends on the horse, sometimes I start them 3 to 3-1/2 yrs old. Anne
RE: [IceHorses] Picking up the bit
>>> Maybe it's just certain angles and expressions he has occasionally. The attached photo I labeled 'moose' because that was my first thought after taking it. That is an odd angle, but he's still beautiful, no matter what the angle! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM
RE: [IceHorses] more ground work
I've always thought Kevin was more handsome than cute...but cute is fine ;). Oops...:) First Janice and Brian... Yes, if we lived closer we could take our babies back and forth for road trips. Please don't tell Kevin, but I was really thinking how fun it would be to work one of the mares (Runa?) at the same time as Dagur. I'd love to see Dagur in person - he reminds me a lot of his half-brother, Refur. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Picking up the bit
>>> What type of bit are you using, What material is the bit. Sylvia I'm not getting all my mail this weekend for some reason, so I'm not sure who the question was directed to. If it was to me, then I'm using a three-piece Happy Mouth bit for Melnir - it's an apple-flavored plastic that a couple of my horses really like. If the question wasn't to me - sorry! :) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Dapples
On 08/07/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a sampling of dapples around our place. None in chestnut. > > Karen Thomas, NC Svertla is the dark one? She reminds me of Solon. Though I can't say I've noticed any dapples on Solon. I'll have to pay more attention to everyone's colour around here. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] more ground work
On 08/07/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He's such a cutie-pie. I wish you lived closer so we could work together. I've always thought Kevin was more handsome than cute...but cute is fine ;). Yes, if we lived closer we could take our babies back and forth for road trips. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] more ground work
>>>Here are a few more pics of some groundwork Kevin did. He needed to ensure >>>that Dagur trusted him, so he asked Dagur to step on a tarp. Dagur complied. He's such a cutie-pie. I wish you lived closer so we could work together. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
On 08/07/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's pretty consistent with what we have too. Loftur has dapples, and > he's a bay dun. I just posted some pics of Gusti and Dagur...they don't have dapples either. Both are chestnuts...though Gusti has a dun stripe. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Colour Question
>>> We have 5 chestnuts here, no dapples on any of them. 3 of the have flaxen mane and tails. We have dapples on our bay pinto, and on 4 out of 5 the silver dappled horses, and some of our black horses, the black (without the fading gene) Dis has dapples as does some of the fading gene blacks. That's pretty consistent with what we have too. Loftur has dapples, and he's a bay dun. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Huginn can come HOME!!!! 7/8/07
Congratulations to Huggin and family! I can't think of better news. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Huginn can come HOME!!!! 7/8/07
>>> I Just got home and found this note from Raven, she sent it an hour or so ago... YES Oh what a relief for all of them I'm sure! I'm very happy to hear that! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] ground work
On 08/07/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nicely done. Did you get to the point where someone rode the bike past him? No, that's our next step. We pulled this bike out of the bush. We don't have any rideable bikes around here anymore. Which is something we used to like doing, just biking around in the evenings. Anyway, that's our next step is to get Cara's Dave out here with his bike and have him ride around Dagur while we take Dagur out on the trails. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Picking up the bit
>>> I tried playing a little with putting Melnir's bit lower in his mouth than I normally do. What does this look like to everyone? Too low? About right? >> How did he like it? He was fidgety with it for about 20 seconds...then he settled as well as ever, no problems. I checked his teeth, and it seems to be sitting clear of them, so I think it was ok. In fact, it MIGHT have been a little better for him. I was a little surprised that it could sit so low with no problems. I haven't ridden him since. >> Melnir is so sweet--the expression in his eye. Thanks - obviously I think so. I thought he was pretty darned sweet even when he was a stallion, but now that his perpetual "ulterior motive" is gone, he really is. But, even though I think Melnir is pretty, I have to admit that his head can look pretty ugly if the camera angle isn't right - he's definitely got an Icelandic head. I saw you mention the other day that you think sometimes that Orri has a moose-head. I think Orri is just drop-dead gorgeous. I've never seen Orri's "moose-head" angle - I'm not sure he has one! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM
Re: [IceHorses] ground work
Nicely done. Did you get to the point where someone rode the bike past him? A friend (about my age and retired from a highly successful career as a trainer , dressage judge & riding instructor) was telling me she'd gone off her horse while out riding alone recently and had a concussion, despite her helmet. The bicycle rider who scared her horse was very good about helping her. but ... Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
On 08/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes she is beautiful, now can I have her? Please. What a pretty color she > is, I would have thought that was a palamino color. > Sylvia Hi Sylvia, yes, she's pretty.and you might be right, she could be a dark palomino colour. It might be interesting for those of you out there with offspring of hers. She's our little retired Amma...she was 23 in March. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
On 08/07/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, Wanda, I'm about as bad with colors as I am with gaits! But > she's beautiful...her coloring reminds me of what was called a chocolate > palomino out west. You have chocolatey saddles and chocolatey horses! > > Trish It must be some kind of subliminal thing with mechocolate...hmm ... yes. Chocolate is very good for you BTWit's some kind of antioxidant and can lower blood pressure. But yes, she's a pretty little thing. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] A more flattering picture of Flekka
>>> I'm trying to think of a way I could print it for framing, but I had a pretty good workout yesterday and I'm a little brain dead. I'll save it until I can think. Oh, thanks - I'm flattered! If you'd like, I could put a copy up on the Kodak gallery and you could print one from there, or buy one from them - their prints are quite reasonable, often cheaper than printing them yourself. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Colour Question
>> Sorry, Wanda, I'm about as bad with colors as I am with gaits! But she's >> beautiful...her coloring reminds me of what was called a chocolate palomino >> out west. You have chocolatey saddles and chocolatey horses! Well, Trish, since Wanda says she has black hairs mixed in, I wonder if you might be right. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Flekka - what gait?
Weeell - maybe if we could mark up the photo, we would find thst all four legs, her nose & her croup all fell within a circle, denoting roundness. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] More Donations to Raven from Fuzzy Logic Equine
Dawn, thank you, I will update the Site now... (well as soon as I can get in there, for some reason it is acting locked up... ) Debbie in MN Huginn's Hospital Fund sites http://iceryder.net/ravenhuginn.html http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp ~ I soar with the Eagles...as I float on the back of my barefoot gaited Morgan ~ Deb's Track system http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackForHorses
RE: [IceHorses] Flekka - what gait?
>>> Piaffe gone bad? Could be. Can you see that she's traveling in an inverted frame? ;) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Colour Question
> Can anyone else get any pictures of dappling on a known chestnut > horse? A good many of my horses show dapples, but oddly, none of > my chestnuts do. I'd never thought about that until Wanda brought > it up. We have 5 chestnuts here, no dapples on any of them. 3 of the have flaxen mane and tails. We have dapples on our bay pinto, and on 4 out of 5 the silver dappled horses, and some of our black horses, the black (without the fading gene) Dis has dapples as does some of the fading gene blacks. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
[IceHorses] More Donations to Raven from Fuzzy Logic Equine
Well, the auctions on the Fuzzy Logic Equine riding pants and the leather girth have ended. We came up with a total of $225. I will be mailing a check to Raven after they are all paid. I decided to do a check instead of PayPal because I want her to get the full amount. Additionally, I have had quite a few inquiries about the custom boot- cut riding pants because of the listings on eBay. I feel in my heart it's the right thing to do to continue donating some of the proceeds of the pant sales to Raven due to the nature of where the referrals are coming from. Here's the deal - I will donate an additional $10 from the sale of each pair of pants that are ordered and paid for in July. If you want more information on them, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's keep helping if we can - it's still a win-win situation. You will be purchasing a pair of really nice riding pants, and Raven will continue to receive donations. If you would like, I'd be happy to let her know who has placed the order for the donation that goes to her... Dawn Bruin-Slot Fuzzy Logic Equine™ Because it just has to make sense!
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
On 08/07/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wanda - does Kria have any black hair mixed in? Smutty (sooty) palominos > have some black hairs mixed in - the Sponenberg books says some can be as > dark as some chestnuts. I think those may be what are called chocolate > palominos? Yes, there is dark hair mixed in. And the oddest thing is...when she changes her coat...for the first few weeks she has an oddly 'blackish" colour to her. Very strange. It's more noticeable when she's getting her winter coat in, but it's so subtle I'm not sure a camera could capture it. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Colour Question
I was always told dappling was a sign of good health. Even by jet black TWH mare dapples in the summer - you just have to stand just right in the light to see it, tho. I've heard that too, but I really think there must be more to it than that. I suspect that they may show better on some horses when they are in good health, but some horses never seem to show dapples, and some always seem to show them. My old QH never lost his dapples and he was in bad health for the last 5 years of his life. Svertla's dapples don't show strongly, but I could even see a faint trace of them when she was about a "1" or "2" on the 1-10 body condition score. I don't know that for sure, but I seriously think there's probably a color/pigment aspect to dapples that is also a factor. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Colour Question
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I bring up the smutty thing (maybe I should say sooty, since smutty > sounds like a dig at her morals!) because Tifa appears to have it - > she's Kria's granddaughter. Saga (Kria's daughter) doesn't seem > to, not obviously, and I can't see anything like that in Melnir - I > don't have a clue about the heritability of the sooty effect. > > Karen Thomas, NC I just remembered we did have a silver dapple chestnut here that had sooty mane and tail, he had black hairs mixed in, and he showed dapples in the spring and fall, it was pretty cool. All the local people here called him a palimino, its a Very popular color here, so we never corrected anybody.it got too complicated. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All: > > Can a chestnut flaxen have dappling? Kria's colouring looks almost > like some silver dappling is happening. > > Thoughts? > > Wanda > Mabye she really is a silver dapple chestnut...who knows, but her color is Very Pretty. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing we have noticed about the weight of Icelandics is that > generally > they don't need as much sedation as another horse the same weight, > especially the younger ones. > > Robyn Interesting, as we have had 2 Icelandics gelded this past year, 1 was 2 and 1/2 the other was 7 months..both of them were really out of it for an hour and a half after the procedureit seemed a little long to me, and on the 7 month old I could tell the vet seemed a little concerned that he was very out, if I could tell he was a little concerned he probably was Very concerned. I have to geld my colt this year and I will ask if the vet will use a little less because of the breed. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Flekka - what gait?
Piaffe gone bad? Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Colour Question
>>>Can anyone else get any pictures of dappling on a known chestnut horse? A
>>>good many of my horses show dapples, but oddly, none of my chestnuts do.
>>>I'd never thought about that until Wanda brought it up.
I'm answering my own question, sort of. Here's what the Sponenberg book says,
("Horse Color", 1983, by Philip Sponenberg and Bonnie V. Beaver, page 28.)
"Dappling is a network of darker areas imposed over lighter areas, and can be
present on any color. The effect is the result of some fundamental differences
in the hair of various areas of the skin, so dapples can even be seen on black
horses. Dappling is generally most noticeable when the horses change their
hair coats in the spring and fall, but is present throughout the year on silver
dapples and many greys."
I couldn't immediately find a picture of a dappled chestnut in his book
though...maybe they don't occur so often on chestnuts...?
Wanda - does Kria have any black hair mixed in? Smutty (sooty) palominos have
some black hairs mixed in - the Sponenberg books says some can be as dark as
some chestnuts. I think those may be what are called chocolate palominos?
I bring up the smutty thing (maybe I should say sooty, since smutty sounds like
a dig at her morals!) because Tifa appears to have it - she's Kria's
granddaughter. Saga (Kria's daughter) doesn't seem to, not obviously, and I
can't see anything like that in Melnir - I don't have a clue about the
heritability of the sooty effect.
Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] A more flattering picture of Flekka
This is the most beautiful photo! I'm trying to think of a way I could print it for framing, but I had a pretty good workout yesterday and I'm a little brain dead. I'll save it until I can think. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
Wanda Lauscher wrote: > Hi All: > > Can a chestnut flaxen have dappling? Kria's colouring looks almost > like some silver dappling is happening. > > Thoughts? Sorry, Wanda, I'm about as bad with colors as I am with gaits! But she's beautiful...her coloring reminds me of what was called a chocolate palomino out west. You have chocolatey saddles and chocolatey horses! Trish
[IceHorses] Huginn can come HOME!!!! 7/8/07
I Just got home and found this note from Raven, she sent it an hour or so ago... YES ( I was at a friends letting Shorty, our 18 month old play with Dolly May a cute little 9 week old Scotty/schnouzer cross... what a DOLL... I will get pictures of them next time we go over...) I want to thank you all for your Donations to Pay Pal, I asked Raven to check her account, since she rarely goes to her AOL account anymore... She said she sat at the computer crying when she realized how much was in her Pay Pal account... ALL FROM YOU GUYS... Thank you... we still have a ways to go, but I tell you, every little bit adds up and makes a difference when it is all put together... My Dream is to pay for most if not all of her Vet bill.. THANK YOU... We have a great Start guys... Thanks to you, Bia, I want to think you for your Idea to do it now... She has already received a couple checks in the mail, I told her to keep checking carefully, because someone warned me that the Bill Pay checks can look like Junk Mail.. so she is.. She received the Sweetest note from a young man, who gave her some of his own hard earned money, she shared that letter with me last night, I of course started crying right there in the middle of the Entry way of the Restaurant... I have to tell you, that Dan, her husband looked like a weight had been lifted he looked relaxed and relieved. I know he was really worried about how they were going to handle this set back, Financially and emotionally... I assured him then and again last night that Raven is a part of a great and loving horse community, I told him that I believe we will succeed with My dream... Your Heart gifts, be they, Prayers, Energy, love, support, research, calling us, donations of all sorts are all appreciated... Thank you so much. This has been a very long roller coaster ride for Raven, Dan and Huginn... I think we are coming to the end, Please keep your Heart gifts coming, enegy and prayers especially, as he comes home for his TLC and continued antibiotics... 2 hours ago Dr. Tan just called. Huginn can come home~! He is still not eating a lot, but...no fever since Wednesday. All three (3) strangles cultures came back negative. He will be continued on both gram positive and gram negative antibiotics for eight (8) more days. Then I need to bring him back to the U of MN...for another endoscope to re-check his lymph nodes. More later...when I get the full discharge orders. I'm so happy! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies ~~~ RIGHT NOW 1:40 PM on SUNDAY I just got a call, Huginn is on his way home! He is in the trailer and Raven is driving him home.. YA HOO. -- Debbie in MN Huginn's Hospital Fund sites http://iceryder.net/ravenhuginn.html http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp ~ I soar with the Eagles...as I float on the back of my barefoot gaited Morgan ~ Deb's Track system http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackForHorses
RE: [IceHorses] Colour Question
>>> A chestnut horse does not have any black mane or tail hair for the silver >>> gene to have an effect on. So a chestnut horse can carry the silver gene >>> but it will have no effect on their visual color. Yes, but you have to first know that the horse is indeed chestnut. A lot of silver dapple bays have been mistakenly registered as chestnut, so what you just said isn't enough really to go on. Wanda, do you see any traces of dark coloring around her lower legs, where the black points would be on a bay? The other color that comes to my mind is palomino - Sina shows strong dappling as do a lot of palominos I know, and palominos are chestnut with cream. Kria is such a light sorrel - I wonder if she could actually be a dark palomino? That's another color distinction that can be hard to see. Can anyone else get any pictures of dappling on a known chestnut horse? A good many of my horses show dapples, but oddly, none of my chestnuts do. I'd never thought about that until Wanda brought it up. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Can a chestnut flaxen have dappling? << I was always told dappling was a sign of good health. Even by jet black TWH mare dapples in the summer - you just have to stand just right in the light to see it, tho. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: [IceHorses] aargh no camera
Oh yes - maybe with a big straw hat? I wished I had a camera yesterday - after I knew my daughter and her horse were safe. We were riding a llimited distance (30 mile) endurance ride. Abby and Gabriel had come to what looked like a good natural watering spot. Just as my friend and I got there, Abby's horse, Smoke, stepped into what turned out to be a horse head deep pool of mucky sludgy goop. He was floudering and fighting to regain his footing. At one point, he was nearly down on one side and she was still in the saddle. I yelled "get off". She said later that she heard me but just couldn't think it was a good idea. When the good horse struggled up the other side, he was covered in slimey mud all the way up over his eyes and into his ears. He looked like he'd been dipped in a very nasty fondue. We rode on down to a clean tank of water and sponged off his ears, nose, eyes and face. When we finished, we found out several people had taken the plunge, including one woman whose horse came to an abrupt stop and launched her over his head into the mire. The man she was riding with kept saying "Come on, Lynn, you can do it", encouraging her to pull herself out of the yuck. He confessed later that it was mostly a matter of not wanting to go in after her. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
> Can a chestnut flaxen have dappling? Any horse can have dapples. > Kria's colouring looks almost like some silver dappling is happening. The silver (dapple) gene doesn't really have anything to do with the dapples. The silver (dapple) gene changes *black* mane and tail hair to a silver color. Silver dapple horses just often have dappling. A chestnut horse does not have any black mane or tail hair for the silver gene to have an effect on. So a chestnut horse can carry the silver gene but it will have no effect on their visual color. HTH Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] Naked Horse and Protection?
> the keningston has 78% UV protection...but that may not e enough. raven yeah, maybe find one that has a higher rate ask Susan at saddle up tack she may have one
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
Yes she is beautiful, now can I have her? Please. What a pretty color she is, I would have thought that was a palamino color. Sylvia ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [IceHorses] Picking up the bit
What type of bit are you using, What material is the bit. Sylvia ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [IceHorses] Naked Horse and Protection?
>> if it was me I'd look for a good sheet that specifically states it's UV protection rate the keningston has 78% UV protection...but that may not e enough. raven
Re: [IceHorses] Picking up the bit
On 7/4/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tried playing a little with putting Melnir's bit lower in his mouth than I > normally do. What does this look like to everyone? Too low? About right? How did he like it? I tried lowering Gat's once and she started playing with it like she was trying to spit it out. Melnir is so sweet--the expression in his eye. V
Re: [IceHorses] Naked Horse and Protection?
>> I have a question for you guys. Huginn is basically >> naked from the if it was me I'd look for a good sheet that specifically states it's UV protection rate and "maybe" use zinc oxide all over the shaved area but since Huginn is compromised to some extent I'd ask the vets about the zinc oxide. I use it on my healthy horse's nose all the time but Huginn's is a large area and I have no idea what it might do to an ill horse.
Re: [IceHorses] Viewing Pictures
Thanks, Sylvia ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[IceHorses] Re: strangles
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also consider using a Homeopathic remedy Thuja which acts as a detox (doesn't change the effectiveness of the vaccine) but it helps with horses who may have skin reactions to the vaccine. > Actually for horses with SE, using a detox might help. > Robyn -Robyn, how much and how frequent do you recommend to give Thuja for sweet itch? I just bought a small tube of the little tiny Thuja pellets. Any idea on if it works to detox humans too? Dawn B.S. - northern Michigan
[IceHorses] Re: HUGINN update 7/6/7
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Debbie Kirchner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My soul is filled with so much love from this experience, I am not sure I can express how grateful I am... > Debbie in MN Huginn's Hospital Fund sites --Debbie, my twin sister had the same feeling when Birting colicked and people from the various lists sent her money to help. She is a really tough cookie, and I've only seen her cry a few times in our lives. She was so emotional from the outpouring of love that it brought her to tears. The money helped out so much too. She desparately needed that love and support, especially emotionally, during that time. It helped turn a horrible time into a time that she can look back on and feel love. Dawn B.S. - northern Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] what gait?
On 7/4/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the olden days, nobody had a "round pen" as such. We were still able to > start and train nice horses. We did usually do the first backing in a > contained space. I've been reading Klaus Ferdinancd Hempfling and he suggested a square area (I think 35' by 35' if I remember correctly) instead of a round pen. Can't remember why, and my book isn't at hand. V
Re: [IceHorses] Background
On 7/5/07, Mary Arena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have to say, writing it down made me realize what an amazing journey I'm > having! I've met a lot of incredible people and animals. Life has been good > to me! Wow! Wish I had the opportunity to experience even a fraction of that journey! V
Re: [IceHorses] Viewing Pictures
> How do I view these, please. If you read from the website, the pictures are not stored there. The only way to see the pictures is to receive individual emails. You may want to get a gmail account, and receive your list mail there. The account will get the pictures. You can still read from the web, but when there's a picture, you can view it in gmail. I'll send you an invitation to gmail. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Re: strangles
Hi Kim >>>I don't know why they couldn't be dissolved in water and then squirted into the mouth. A holistic vet once had me dissolve eyebright into water and put it directly into the horse's eyes, I had been putting into her mouth, which worked, but she would spit it out constantly. Absolutely and if I am giving a remedy frequently over several days then I do just that, dissolve 8-10 pellets in a bit of water in a dropper bottle and just use that bottle for that horse. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Naked Horse and Protection?
> > I have a question for you guys. Huginn is basically > naked from the > elbow area to his hip area. Except for a strip of > hair that they left > on his spine to protect it when he rolls. They > shaved him down, and > all he has left is 5'oclock stubbles. His skin is > very...very pink!!! > That is a good question. I wonder what to use for sun protection. I am glad your horsie is coming home Happy Trails from Lori Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433
Re: [IceHorses] Rack At Liberty
How do I view these, please. Sylvia ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[IceHorses] Re: strangles
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Robyn > I have also cut out a bit of the core > or a carrot, stuffed some in and covered with carrot and fed them. A > classical homoeopathist will say you shouldn't give food with homeopathy but > I have found it still works and is easier to insure they are getting it. > I don't know why they couldn't be dissolved in water and then squirted into the mouth. A holistic vet once had me dissolve eyebright into water and put it directly into the horse's eyes, I had been putting into her mouth, which worked, but she would spit it out constantly. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Rack At Liberty
Hi Judy, >>>Here's a golden palomino racking at liberty. This is a nice photo and shows the diagonal phase of the gait - weight transference from the left front to the right hind. Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] strangles
Hi Robyn this is just overkill! Robyn, what kind of homeopathic remedies do you use? I tried using one from the health food store--the little pellets. They don't dissolve very quickly and so the horse ended up spitting most of them out. Very frustrating! Are there homeopathics in a cream or liquid form that are easier than the pellets? I'm way behind on email. I do use the pellets and just open the bottom lip and put in 4 or 5 pellets, I also use the really tiny pellets and they just stick to the lip until they dissolve. I have also cut out a bit of the core or a carrot, stuffed some in and covered with carrot and fed them. A classical homoeopathist will say you shouldn't give food with homeopathy but I have found it still works and is easier to insure they are getting it. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic Horse & Dog News
Hi Nice story about the mare in Alaska. That group of horses was sold by a breeder I know nearly 20 years ago to herd reindeer at the North Pole. They found that ATV's were always breaking down and that the Icelandics could survive the winters well. I don't know what happened to all the horses, I know some ended up with other people in Alaska, but it is a nice ending for this girl. Thanks for sending it. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -Original Message- From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raven Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IceHorses] Icelandic Horse & Dog News I just came across these stories. Enjoy! Horse starts anew with move to Anchorage http://tinyurl.com/2mx6hb Man's best friend can be a rare breed http://tinyurl.com/32uot2 Raven
