Re: [IceHorses] Water......and hurricanes
My Dad and his six brothers and three sisters grew up on California's Mojave desert during the Depression. They had a rain barrel. It was still in place within my memory, probably in 1950 or so. They did not have indoor plumbing and they joked around about who would "water" the tomatoes and who would hit the squash. I've never known for sure if they were joking or not. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Another Betty
Thanks Susan. Betty and the few others like her are my heroes. Nancy
[IceHorses] Water......and hurricanes
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 10/20/2007 2:52:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > What happens to all that water the hurricane's throw in that area? > They > ought to have enough water to float an ocean liner. It really > surprises me, we > are always in drought conditions even when it's raining. What is > the matter with > those people? California drains its water supplies at times to > keep from > over flowing? That is a surprise to me also. Don't you wonder who > makes the > decisions for these weird conditions? They are probably still > watering the > flowers on the freeways. Sylvia Yes. If in those regions people caught their own water off of their roofs and into a cistern (Big container, around here they come in all different ways) and then filtered it using a UV filter everyone would have more water than they ever dreamed of...what did people do before the government took control of the water supplies...lived close to ones , lakes, rivers, I guess, made wells..its easy to have your own supply, especially easy if you are on the gridcheaper and more water pressure with AC pumps. I think everyone should live with a 250 gallon water supply per person per week for a month, then you really learn than conserving water isn't washing your car.or not watering your lawn Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Re: more green planet soapbox
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 10/20/2007 2:52:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > What happens to all that water the hurricane's throw in that area? > They > ought to have enough water to float an ocean liner. It really > surprises me, we > are always in drought conditions even when it's raining. What is > the matter with > those people? California drains its water supplies at times to > keep from > over flowing? That is a surprise to me also. Don't you wonder who > makes the > decisions for these weird conditions? They are probably still > watering the > flowers on the freeways. Sylvia Yes. If in those regions people caught their own water off of their roofs and into a cistern (Big container, around here they come in all different ways) and then filtered it using a UV filter everyone would have more water than they ever dreamed of...what did people do before the government took control of the water supplies...lived close to ones , lakes, rivers, I guess, made wells..its easy to have your own supply, especially easy if you are on the gridcheaper and more water pressure with AC pumps. I think everyone should live with a 250 gallon water supply per person per week for awhile, then you really learn than conserving water isn't washing your car.or not watering your lawn Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
[IceHorses] The Unwind Exercise
This exercise, The Unwind Exercise, is really good for suppling, and also rope work. It helps a horse learn to "follow a feel". The explanation for the exercise is here, as well as photos, and a video of Charm doing the Unwind Exercise: http://iceryder.net/unwind.html Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Favorite Falki photos
> phots I like best both > show his sweet > expression Very nice! Do you have them in a larger size? Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Favorite Falki photos
--- Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Had to pick a photo of Falki for a frame to put on > my desk. The two Adorable!!! Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: more green planet soapbox
In a message dated 10/20/2007 2:52:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) What happens to all that water the hurricane's throw in that area? They ought to have enough water to float an ocean liner. It really surprises me, we are always in drought conditions even when it's raining. What is the matter with those people? California drains its water supplies at times to keep from over flowing? That is a surprise to me also. Don't you wonder who makes the decisions for these weird conditions? They are probably still watering the flowers on the freeways. Sylvia ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[IceHorses] Another Betty
>From Susan Foxtrot: We had a Fluidity Clinic today with Jennifer Vaught at Pine Dell Farm. I advertised in the KC Star. I was checking people in this morning when a new person appeared. When I asked her if she wanted to audit, she was hesitant. So I asked her if she wanted to ride as we had lesson horses available. She hesitated a few moments and said "Yes, I do, but I've not rode for the past 20 years." That was a red flag that prompted me to call for Jenny, the clinician. Jenny decided she could ride as we had two smooth gaited lesson horses... Velvet and Sage ...that were not busy today. Then the clinic started we were sitting around without horses and we all gave our reasons for being there. Our new member, Betty, told us that she had not rode for the past 20 years and she was 80 years old. This is not a typing error. She did not look 80! Everyone about fell out of their chairs although we all covered it well. She told us that she had learned to be grateful for every day and every thing she had. She had horses in the past...raised them-never took a lesson, and rode. She lives in Prairie Village which is all bunched up houses today in the Kansas City metro area. What memories she has of what it used to be like when Prairie Village was a village with rural areas! She continued and told us that she had to sell her horses twenty years ago. She misses horses and riding. So, she decided to take a chance and come out today to learn how to ride with an instructor. We were all amazed. I still am amazed. Jenny decided Sage would be the horse. Sage does a running walk and is way smooth. Smoothness was very important in this situation! Sage (Missouri Fox Trotter) is my first horse. She took me from beginning adult rider on up and we passed the old L2. Betty did great. There were a bunch of horses in the arena with all kinds of different levels of riders and horses! Betty rode and didn't get into any problems. We rode all afternoon. She quit about an hour before the clinic day was ended. What a testimony to the Missouri Fox Trotter personality and smooth gait. What a testimony to fluidity. Let us pray: Dear Lord, Let us be as Betty has done today. Let us ride when we are 80 and more. Thank you. Susan www.pinedellfarm.com www.forthehorse.org
Re: [IceHorses] Blankets
Janice... HUGS }}} Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Blankets
>>Blanket them...I blanket or cotten sheet mine every nite when camping. Raven >>Why only when camping? Hi V...I blanket & sheet when camping due to the fact that my horses are either on a Hi-Tie or a Picket Line, out in the elements. The space they have to move around is limited. They have no way to get out of the rain, bugs, and may be forced to lay down to rest/sleep in wet grass or near their manure. I also like to try to keep their muscles warm when it's chilly. When it's warm..I throw cotton sheets on them, this keep them clean overnite. I have different weight blankets/sheets for all types of weather. Including a few different fly sheets. I guess I just like to baby my ponies. <;8] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Looking for a Horse
>>>I have to find out > the name and see > if any of you know the horse. That's a good idea, as we know a lot of the horses around the country, or at least someone on the list may know the horse. Judy
[IceHorses] Parelli on the Future of NH
http://podcast.parelli.com/Parelli%20Natural%20Horsemanship/Podcast/0F6ABB1A-D2FB-47E8-94B9-A564401CA419.html Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Audio Interview With Walter on Young Horses / Susan, Andi
> I keep getting an error when trying the link to that > page It's an hour long show, I think; maybe you can get it from this link: http://www.naturalhorsetalk.com/recentshows.html He says a lot of the things that we're interested in, working with younger horses (not riding them, but playing with them, interacting, bonding), looking at things from the horse's perspective, taking your time, no rush, learning what makes the horse *want* to be with your, etc. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Looking for a Horse
>>>There are a few Icelandic horses here<<< My friend who has been riding my Lukka all summer is starting to look at buying an Icelandic. She found one on horstopia that is in california she is interested in. I have to find out the name and see if any of you know the horse. Otherwise if anyone has a grandma horse, she is a beginner, for sale let me know. She has two other horses at her home so she would provide a good home. I need to look at Barb R. and Deb C. web sight to see what they have for sale. We are in NW Wisconsin.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Looking for a Horse
On 10/20/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are a few Icelandic horses here: > > http://pub39.bravenet.com/guestbook/3323112755 Thanks Judy. I noticed some postings were from 1995, would those horses still be available? V
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Left or Right / Horsenality
I meant I'm struggling with the way Tosca's training is progressing because she is so very different to work with from Hunter. I actually would not be particularly thrilled to have bought a second Hunter. Under Left Brain: tolerant, unconcerned, confident On the other chart: smart charismatic friendly non responsive disinterested unmotivated/dull easily bored "lazy" Those things sound pretty negative when listed. She's actually a sweet and charming mare. She seems to "learn" what she thinks is expected of her and then produces it every time, whether it's right or not. For instance, she was taught that when working in the round pen, she should stop dead on the circle and not move a step in any direction. I could go all over the pen, doing hand stands had I been capable of it, and she would have stood there. Only last week (with carrots) did I convince her that she could come in to me. Then she followed all over the pen "at heel", no lead. I was thrilled. She loves treats, but her breeder and his barn man liked for the herd to gather around them for treats. Many of the horses we have met from there are quite pushy over treats. And, yes, I know clicker training would probably be the answer to a lot of this. I just don't feel confident in my ability to work by myself with a training method so new to me. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: more green planet soapbox
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > not off topic! Has anyone been paying attention to whats happening in > atlanta? A lake that is the entire water supply for 80 million people > is going to be completely dry as dust in two months.and we are > paying so much attention to stupid stuff elsewhere. I wonder how long they've known that they were in a drought but have waited this long to "consider" imposing watering restriction--ie, you can't wash your car every week, you can't water your lawn every day. Wow. That'll be a big step. Colorado has learned how to conserve, and remarkably, even in non- drought years like this one, people still conserve. We are always on the brink of a crisis here, as one bad snowpack winter will cause a problem the rest of the year. People need to learn to conserve everything, recycle and reuse. I'm definitely with you on that. Robyn S
[IceHorses] Re: Looking for a Horse
There are a few Icelandic horses here: http://pub39.bravenet.com/guestbook/3323112755 Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Audio Interview With Walter on Young Horses / Susan, Andi
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.naturalhorsetalk.com/real/walteryounghorses.mp3 > > Susan, were you able to listen to this interview? > It seem like > Walter's philosophies might be like Josh's. > I keep getting an error when trying the link to that page, so what did Walter say? Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] Where To Live
You can live in Hawaii, where: 1. Your closet is 2X2 yet you patio is 20X20 2. Where 'Da Kine' is anything from a beach, a house or_? 3. Where you take a hot shower to step out and cool off 4. Where you suddenly end up with many relatives and friends after you move here. 5. Where the term 'off island' is understood by all. 6. Where the prices of horses are the highest in the nation. 7. The term 'smoke meat' gets everyone hungry 8 Where you can spend $10,000 on a 1990 toyota p/u with rust. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Left or Right / Horsenality
Well, it's a given, Hunter is a right-brain extrovert who has learned to trust one person - me. He's really a fine horse and I love him a lot, but he will still stand on his hind legs in cross ties if something scares or upsets him. Tosca, probably closer to a left-brain introvert. No wonder I'm having trouble working with her. She is at the opposite end of reactions from the TWH. No one would ever refer to him as "sweet", which is how I think of her. He's more needy. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Audio Interview With Walter on Young Horses / Susan, Andi
> http://www.naturalhorsetalk.com/real/walteryounghorses.mp3 Susan, were you able to listen to this interview? It seem like Walter's philosophies might be like Josh's. Judy
[IceHorses] Parelli E-News
http://enews.parelli.com/ Judy
[IceHorses] Re: Left or Right / Horsenality
> Is your horse left or right brained? I'm going to figure out where Charm places on this "Horsenality Chart": http://files.parelli.com/HorsenalityChart.pdf Judy
[IceHorses] Re: Left or Right
> They say that left brained people prefer dogs, and > right brained people prefer cats not sure where > horses fall in there! Are more horses left or right-brained? Is your horse left or right brained? A little more about right brains in horses: http://www.parelli.com/content.faces?contentId=25 Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Huge Vehicles
I won't buy another vehicle until > the > other is paid for and Michael takes such good care of our vehicles > that they all look like new. When you go to trade them, they give > you > so little of what they're worth, I'd rather just keep them. You could sell them by private part for much more than the trade in value, makes you happy and the purchaser, becuase they get it cheaper than retail value at a lot. > Sometimes you just have to drive the less fuel efficient vehicles > if > you want hay or be sure that you can get home. Yes. During the fall time (right now) we can have wind that takes down trees across our road.we can usually drive right across smaller tree with our tundra, or at least go around it...with a small car.we would have to drive around, or not be able to get home at all.Sally has had to walk home to get a chainsaw, while I use a machette to get trees moved.or becuase the raod infront of our property can get very very deep with water.a low car, wellcan get stalled...our dodge dakota (Terrible milelage...the tundra gets 25% better gas milelage, its bigger and can really haul horses) we used to own would get stalled in the deep waterI would have to leave it and walk (almost swim) the rest of the way home.. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Huge Vehicles
> We could buy a small economy car for trips that don't include kids. > We > could buy the new Dodge Sprinter van that gets 30 miles per gallon > on diesel > but won't pull the trailer. But then we'd be paying a car payment > on what > ever choice we made. So, although we would use less fuel, we > wouldn't save > a penny. Such a quandry. Yes, we are thinking of getting another car that gets better gas milelage for our small local trips...as the tundra only gets about 15 mpg with our short trips to pahoa townthe 5 miles off off road really makes the milelage go down Another thing we consider is how long does a truck/car last? The longer it last the better for the environment, and diesel engines are good for 400,000 miles, so thats a good bet. (I just purchased a diesel generator and put my honda to rest) Now when Toyota puts a diesel engine in a truck that we americans can buy (they are in other countries) I will be buying that one. We owned a 97 quad cab diesel ford a couple of years back, but with all the constant repairs we could not make a living with it, let alone park anywhere...and we did not need to haul 14,000 lbs...so we sold itit was like being inside a moving livingroom thoughcomfy. I also could hardly change the tires on it, BIG and Heavy. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
re: [icehorses] Huge Vehicles
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > this week it was on the news that blog groups all over were going > to > have a day dedicated to blogging about how to have a greener > planet. > I thought we, as horse people, should be more into having a green > planet than anyone else! After all, our horses happiness in large > part correlates to having a nice pasture, a comfortable environment > without catastrophic drought/flood/fire/storms. we all have a > responsibility to our livestock to live more "green". > Janice-- I took a trip to Seattle last fall to visit some old friendsit was interesting being in a big city again...but what was s funny to me now remeber I sold my beautiful just remodeled updated city home (where our source of heat from from a wood stove (2 cords a year for us to have heat and a lot of splitting and work) to live out in the rural part of Hawaii, off grid, no grid power, no city water, no garbage service2.5 miles on a dirt road from the highway. We lived for 3 years without any electricity, we wanted the experience, and I appreciate electricity like I never have before. Anyway, my old friends are telling me how I need to do something to conserve energy, save water, save the planet, all the while they are going to Star_ucks coffee house to buy their lattes. (because they feel that Star_ucks is a green company) and they can feel good about it because they brought in their on cup. I just stared at them in amazementSally and I catch and use our own water, I maintain the system myself...if we run out, thats it...I have to haul water or BEG a water truck to come down my road to deliver me water at $160 bucks for 4000 gallons, we have had to do that twice, and I tip well so that they will come back, plus I have to trim trees for hours before they will bring their truck down the road. I just think it is amazing what some people call being green... blogging to me doesn't do much for the effort, LIVE IT. I guess it can get some info out to people, but there is so much talk about being green these days how could you really avoid it? We live in an area where a lot of people grow their own food, and a lot of it...we are still aspiring to it. There is a farm just a 1/4 of a mile down the road, they are at 80% of eating food that they grow or raise or hunt...that is pretty high, and they eat very very well, goat milk and cheese, wild pig and farm raise grass fed goat for meatand all the fruits and veggies. I know this other guy who will only eat stuff within a 10 mile radius of his land...he eats well, he does not even farm, he gathers food from all different types of sources...not for everyone, but his footprint on the planet is pretty light. We tried using a subaru forester for our farrier buisness, it was too difficult...so we bought a truck that would haul our horses, and had 4x4, we need it for some ranches that we go to...and the tundra gets 20 mpg on the highway, so for a big truck that hauls 7000lbs its great! How many of us really have to tow more than that? Especially with our Icelandics. We are thinking of getting a Jeep Wrangler with a small tow behind trailer as our next farrier rigbut I still have to check out the MPG issue and other things.. Not sure about that yet, it might need to be a RAV or a GEO Tracker Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] re: [GaitedHorse] Huge Vehicles
forever to melt. Sometimes when it warms up during the day then > freezes at night it just manages to melt the ice enough to make it > smooth and even slipperier. Unless you put down a lot of salt (a lot > of $), the same thing happens. Anna: Have you tried ashes (from your fireplace or wood-burning stove)? That works real well because they are dark and help the ice melt. The other thing to try is sand. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Sensation saddles for sale
The western saddle is sold. Thanks, Dana That didn't take long - congratulations! Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Re: Sensation saddles for sale
The western saddle is sold. Thanks, Dana
Re: [IceHorses] re: [GaitedHorse] Huge Vehicles
On 10/20/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The huge vehicle thing is always a puzzle for us. We live 25 miles from the > closest town. We need a vehicle that will haul hay and a horse trailer. > Additionally, we have four teens who use wheelchairs, even in the car for > transport. We own a Dodge diesel truck (25 mpg) and a Ford van (15 mpg). > We've ended up owning 4 cars for the 2 of us. The 2006 Prius at avg 55 mpg (even with our hills) is driven the most. Michael works 50 miles from home. If he doesn't drop me off at work on his way in, I drive the '94 Miata convertible that we bought used 8 yrs ago. If the weather is bad, I drive the 2001 F250 4WD or the '99 Toyota 4 Runner. My husband wanted to trade the 4 Runner in when we bought the Prius, but I didn't want to. I know that I can get home and up my steep .25 mile driveway no matter how much snow or ice with that. Turns out that the Prius sat for over a month this winter because the traction control (which can't be turned off) won't let the Prius get up our driveway when it is icy. The driveway goes thru the woods so takes forever to melt. Sometimes when it warms up during the day then freezes at night it just manages to melt the ice enough to make it smooth and even slipperier. Unless you put down a lot of salt (a lot of $), the same thing happens. I won't buy another vehicle until the other is paid for and Michael takes such good care of our vehicles that they all look like new. When you go to trade them, they give you so little of what they're worth, I'd rather just keep them. Sometimes you just have to drive the less fuel efficient vehicles if you want hay or be sure that you can get home. -- Anna
[IceHorses] more green planet soapbox
not off topic! Has anyone been paying attention to whats happening in atlanta? A lake that is the entire water supply for 80 million people is going to be completely dry as dust in two months.and we are paying so much attention to stupid stuff elsewhere. Nothing is being done about this. Atlanta officials are racing against the clock trying to come up with a solution. Its like doomsday. Well, one of the solutions is to cut off water from Georgia rivers flowing south into Florida. Which affects us. Our water supply. We had five inches rain yesterday and still we are 22 inches behind annual rainfall. We are in apocalyptic drought/flood/feed and grain shortages nationally. Yet people are so worried about stupid issues, spending govt money on the stupidest things. Just consumed with it and our planet is dying. its very scarey. I am off to ride Teev in a conservation area where two years ago we would have had to swim across the lake and now we will ride in the huge fifty acre dry lake bed. and where before we could ride for hours, stop and picnic and let the horses drink and wade on a crisp fall day, now we can only ride an hour, two at most. There is nowhere for the horses to have a drink or graze while we picnic on this gorgeous cool fall day. think of the forest animals. where did they go to find a drink? They are getting hit by cars on the roadways they would never go near before, rummaging around in peoples back yards, alligators and moccasins finding their way into swimming pools, biting horses at water troughs fighting for survival. for a drink. we need to think green now, not cause its a nice thing to do, or trendy or cool, but because it is time for desperate measures and we need to WAKE UP, its here. Do we really need to be looking for water on mars when Atlanta is on the brink of complete and utter environmental disaster? Atlanta is only the first huge city to fall. well. the second actually. there was new orleans. oh, and before that Homestead Fla which no longer exists it was wiped off the map. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Favorite Falki photos
Had to pick a photo of Falki for a frame to put on my desk. The two phots I like best (picked the one without me) both show his sweet expression. Interesting that both photos have him with his head tilted slightly to the right. Wish the background of the one in the pasture had greener grass. Guess it will have to do. I'm thinking one of him in the snow will be striking. Maybe if it's sunny tomorrow I can get one of him with the fall foilage in the background. It's just now starting to look pretty. Anna southern Ohio DSCN0931.JPG 100_0312.jpg These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/ <><>
Re: [IceHorses] Huge Vehicles
On 10/20/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need to be nagged by someone like Janice all along - I'm one of the > ones who SHOULD feel guilty. > > > Karen Thomas, NC > I understand too, my daughter bought a 4 runner during the time when gas was much cheaper and for a good price. Then when gas got higher and higher she went to trade it in and they wouldnt give her anything for it! i have seen the Honda Element and it looks nice for people who need to "haul" things. The back can be hosed out for instance and you can haul bales of hay etc. and it has good mileage. I see now they have a camry hybrid... i hope they keep coming down in prices and having more models available. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Blankets
I am cooking > and lounging in the warm toasty house in my slippers. all is well. > Janice-- I'm sorry you had such a crappy start to your day but I am glad you are OK and I hope you stick to your "NO" decision. - you can always say yes or maybe after you have had time to weigh all the possibilities. -- Laree "When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something. When you're my age and you fall off, you splatter" - Roy Rogers
RE: [IceHorses] re: [GaitedHorse] Huge Vehicles
The huge vehicle thing is always a puzzle for us. We live 25 miles from the closest town. We need a vehicle that will haul hay and a horse trailer. Additionally, we have four teens who use wheelchairs, even in the car for transport. We own a Dodge diesel truck (25 mpg) and a Ford van (15 mpg). Not everyone can justify driving an "environmentally responsible" auto - and I'm sure your special needs make you one of the ones who shouldn't feel guilty for what you drive. I still look back with fondness to the 4-speed Toyota Tercel hatchback that got me through college - vinyl seats, no carpet, but 40 mpg, and plenty of room for my stuff, and plenty of pep! I always drove smaller cars, even ones with manual transmissions to get the very best mileage, until I took a sales job a few years ago. To get the car allowance/company gas card the company provided (and I drove WAY too many miles to turn it down) I had to buy a car that met their specs...I still own the last vehicle I bought during those years, a 2003 Honda Pilot. It's a pretty big SUV, not the very biggest, but it gets about 19-20 mpg for the kind of driving I do, which is pretty good for its genre. I love my Pilot, but now that I'm self-employed, I know I SHOULD downsize, and get something that gets more responsible gas mileage. I'm really tempted by the Toyota Prius...but man, I HATE having to deal with car salesmen, so I keep dragging my feet. But, about 80% of the time, I'm the only person in my SUV, and even 20-ish mpg is a waste for one person. I need to be nagged by someone like Janice all along - I'm one of the ones who SHOULD feel guilty. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:41 PM
[IceHorses] Tucker Saddle
Hi- I have a Tucker Equitation Endurance Saddle that is LIKE NEW for sale (1200 obo) . Please email for photos and/or more information. Thanks- Juliann
Re: [IceHorses] Antique Horse Chairs
> Judy > They are very interesting. Would they go with my so. western decor? LOL Lorraine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[IceHorses] Saddle
Hi All- I have a Tucker Equitation Endurance Saddle for sale (1200 obo) It has an average size tree and therefore might not fit some Icy's...but for those of you with other breeds, it's a good deal. Very comfortable saddle! I purchased it for a horse that I then traded. The saddle has been used less than 20 times and is like new in every respect. Email me directly for photos and more info. Thanks- Julie
Re: [IceHorses] Antique Horse Chairs
On 10/20/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting: > > http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28221&item=300160729350 I love them! V
Re: [IceHorses] re: [GaitedHorse] Huge Vehicles
The huge vehicle thing is always a puzzle for us. We live 25 miles from the closest town. We need a vehicle that will haul hay and a horse trailer. Additionally, we have four teens who use wheelchairs, even in the car for transport. We own a Dodge diesel truck (25 mpg) and a Ford van (15 mpg). We could buy a small economy car for trips that don't include kids. We could buy the new Dodge Sprinter van that gets 30 miles per gallon on diesel but won't pull the trailer. But then we'd be paying a car payment on what ever choice we made. So, although we would use less fuel, we wouldn't save a penny. Such a quandry. Nancy
[IceHorses] Antique Horse Chairs
Interesting: http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28221&item=300160729350 Judy
[IceHorses] Re: US Defends Iceland
In March 2006, the United States announced the decision to close American facilities on the island and reassign the service members. Since then, U.S. and Icelandic officials have been working together to craft the new relationship. A 65-year segment of history ends, when the last American service member based in the country leaves Iceland. However, the United States remains committed to defending Iceland despite the decision to withdraw troops from the country, the White House said. The US caught Iceland by surprise when it decided on a near total pullout from the Keflavik Naval Air Station. The plans called for withdrawing aircraft and 1,300 military and civilian personnel from the island. Iceland, a founding member of NATO, has asked the US how it will meet its defence obligations under a 1951 treaty. Another concern for Iceland is that about 700 of its citizens work on the base. 'The United States remains firmly committed to the defence of Iceland and to our broader defence relationship,' White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. U.S. service members will continue to work with, train with and operate with their NATO ally, but troops will not be based in the island nation. The United States will continue to defend Iceland as part of the 1951 Defense Agreement between the two nations and as as a NATO ally. At one time, Iceland had more than 10,000 U.S. service members based there. Then, the threats came from first Nazi Germany and then the Soviet Union. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the threats have changed and come from new directions: terrorism, international crime, and drug trafficking, Hall said. The United States is stepping up its coordination with Iceland to help maintain the security of the country and the region against such emerging threats. U.S. forces could go back into the country quickly if conventional threats re-emerged, Hall said. The assistant secretary said there will be at least yearly exercises and U.S. ships will visit the nation on a regular basis.
re: [icehorses] Huge Vehicles
this week it was on the news that blog groups all over were going to have a day dedicated to blogging about how to have a greener planet. I thought we, as horse people, should be more into having a green planet than anyone else! After all, our horses happiness in large part correlates to having a nice pasture, a comfortable environment without catastrophic drought/flood/fire/storms. we all have a responsibility to our livestock to live more "green". Janice-- yipie tie yie yo -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] re: [GaitedHorse] Huge Vehicles
my brother had a huge RV. We were all jealous. We would camp at bluegrass festivals and I would sleep in the front seat of my truck and think of him and his wife laid up in all that air conditioned/heated luxury, satellite television, all that. Then a few festivals later he pulls up in a small mini van. We all asked, wheres the big rig? He said "A fan belt cost 200 bucks. I found out I was gonna have to start taking out loans at the credit union to buy gas. I found out I can have a satellite tv and a nice comfortable bed in this little van." I noticed in a horse magazine the other day, an ad for a new horsetrailer model, by sundowner I believe. A bumper pull with a tiny LQ package. I think in todays society we need to consider what we are doing to the planet even if we could afford such luxuries. Like the movie star Leonardo Di Caprio, George Clooney and others--- they could easily afford hummers and the gas bills that go with it, but they drive hybrids to be good stewards of the planet. I could not afford a big rig at all, but I like to think if I could, I would try and be as fuel saving as possible. I cant even afford a hybrid, but I drive a toyota yaris that gets avg 40 mpg. I could afford maybe a nicer car, but with less gas savings. and I commute long distances to work. my work tho, gives us a 4 day work week with longer hours so we can all save gas. Also just because you have the money for something... gosh we should use restraint for the planet! I see shows on tv like "Platinum weddings". 30 million dollars for a wedding. thats so obscene. so wrong to do in a world where people (and horses) are starving to death every day! Not knocking on Ravens big rig, but just my personal soap box. I work with huge wealthy land developers every day, its my profession. They dont give one rats a** about what they are doing to the earth. They only want to make a buck. I had the richest developer in town ask me once "why is that extra 55 bucks tacked on to my impact fees" and when I said "each hose bib is 55 dollars and you have one extra", he said "I will never put an extra hose bib on a house again. they can just run a hose out the bathroom window to water the lawn for all I care". and I was standing there thinking, oh yeah right buddy, like you aint passing the 55 bucks on to the price of the house. If there are any rich people out there reading this, please remember we all have a responsibility to take care of our planet... of each other, of the poor animals who did not ask to be born and live a suffering life. all the grass is burnt up and the planet weather is haywire. we need to quit relying on gas and big rigs etc. jmo! If it offends I'm sorry! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Left or Right
While all of us probably have traits from each side of the brain, we can probably categorize ourselves as either pre-dominantly left or right brained. Just within the USA Icelandic community, I see the left-brained versus right-brained people aligning pretty strongly...or at least that's what I think it is. It's always annoyed me no end that so many people in this breed seem to be pursuing the "whole Icelandic experience", totally going off on the whole cultural experience...even when it appears to me that what is best for the horses gets lost in the whole "experience" garbage. To me, a new horse owner first and foremost needs to be practical, and take care of the logical necessities of horse ownership. The "facts" of horse ownership determines the horse's safety and well being. But, once the basics are taken care of, of course, there's a huge spot (even a need) for use to draw on our intuitive, "feeling" sides in building relationships with our horses. I suspect to this list I come across as uber-logical...but among the engineering-types I work with, I'm pretty "arty" - depends on who you hang out with, I suppose. :) Relating this to a journey towards becoming a horseman, I think I've always had an easy time with the logical, factual side of horsemanship, since the very beginning. I think, however, it was more of a struggle for me to open up and allow my intuitive side to surface as well. A couple of things happened to make me realize that logic alone wasn't going to get it...one, there was no immediately "logical" explanation for the back issues that Gracie suffered with for years, and two...soon afterwards, I met Anneliese, and decided to breed a few horses. I was at a point where I was looking to move to the next step of horsemanship. Anneliese told me so many things to watch for, how to let the horses "tell me" things, and I think that broke the roadblock I had imposed on myself. I think, pre-Anneliese, I had been stifling my intuitive side way too much, so I met her at the right point in my journey - I think if I'd met her a few years earlier, she wouldn't have had the same effect on me. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM
Re: [IceHorses] US Defends Iceland
maybe better to say "spent & was" as the military force is not here anymore I think it´s almost a year since they left Regards Malin
Re: [IceHorses] US Defends Iceland
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "The United States established the force in 1951 at > NATO's request to defend Iceland and the North > Atlantic. The United States spends about $260 million > each year to maintain its military presence in > Iceland." > > Judy > > Who don't we defend? Unless it has nothing to do with oil or a strategic place on the globe.. This policy seems to pervade both parties. Thought about moving to Canada, but its just sooo cold.brrr. Skye Living in the most non US state we have. Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Equine Podiatry
> for weeks. I am still mad over that one. Now the lady that does > the natural > hoof trim is good and takes her time and he can walk without pain. > Also the > hoofs are not chipping up like they did with the trim no file job. > She said she > does a mustang roll on the hoof. ?? Sylvia Yes I know how frustrating it can be... Sally walks out each horse, before , during and afterwards, has the angle gauge, two of them, each one for a different thing and yes does a mustang roll on a lot of her horses.she is not so much into a lot of rasping off of the hoof wall like a traditional farrier, as it weakens it over time, much like if you filed your nails and went up close to your cuticle, it weakens itso minimal filing on the outside of the wall.we hads a farrier out of the oaklahoma school once who lamed our Icelandic for weeks, 6 weks I think it was, could have been more.he just cut deep into the solehe really did not understand the anatomy of a horses hoof after 8 weeksof course he only got to do 2 hooves a day 4 days a weekthere was a lot of forge work, he could make a shoe real nice, but I did not trust him to put it on. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Teeth day
On 19/10/2007, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good catch, Wanda! Hopefully the ulcer will go away > with no problem. He's doing better already. The vet was surprised that he was dropping food, because the ulcer was so tiny...barely there. She said often by the time a horse is dropping food the ulcers are quite pronounced. Obviously Gusti is very sensitive to mouth issues. > I just had my horses' teeth floated. Charm needed it > more than Cookie and she's only three years old! Interesting how different they can be. Gusti is 8 and this is his first floating session. I may have Elska and Kria checked next month...we'll see what this bill comes in at. Wanda always budgeting...
