RE: [IceHorses] TTEAM method-Robyn
Then I will have to get blue. That reminds me of kindergarden after nap time. One kid would get picked to take the wand and tap the others on the head to get up. I never got too. BooLorraine I think it's time that you right that old injustice, then Lorraine. :) BTW, I have to hand it to you for sticking with Dagur. I understand you didn't intend to buy a horse that needs training, but kudos to you for taking the time to try to figure him out and for getting good help with him. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 12/20/2007 2:14 PM
Re: [IceHorses] O T Question
not really relevant maybe, but made me think of my friend bryan who believes horses can see ghosts and spirits. He has me convinced I'm afraid. He lives in a house his granpa lived in. His granpa was ninety and hit by a car as he walked to the mail box out front. Bryan breaks horses by riding them their first several times in a pasture area that has one corner just a few feet on the other side of a fence where bryans granpa died. He said no horses will go near that corner without a fight and he believes the old man is standing there by the mail box and it makes the horses nervous. I always sorta laughed at that but since then I have ridden several horses in that field and not ONE of them would go near that corner and I am not a good enough horse person to make them. Even my Jaspar who will pretty much go anywhere is downright comical in that pasture, he will go all the way around and when he gets to the corner he will just veer, like he hopes I dont notice he wont go near the corner. The first time I rode fox and he reared with me and nearly flipped was because I was trying to get him to continue toward that corner. What can it be besides a ghost?? There is nothing different about that corner. That whole end of the pasture fronts the dirt road. it just baffles me. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] TTEAM method-Robyn
BTW, I have to hand it to you for sticking with Dagur. I understand you didn't intend to buy a horse that needs training, but kudos to you for taking the time to try to figure him out and for getting good help with him. Thanks alot. Means alot Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] dapples
On 12/20/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ThanksI try. Or were you talking about Dagur? Wanda Both. LOL Lorraine and by the way lorraine, if you think dagur is embarassing you oughta go somewhere with my guys for a day. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Dagur really embarrased me today
Worm size Susan in NV HAHAHAHA! a little skink size shock collar. I sure am glad my hubbys not so computer literate... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
Hi Wanda, Thank you for the welcome. Yes, it was quite a shock. I was rather stupid just having gotten back into horses over the last 2 years. She had thishitch before I bought her. I just thought she preferred her right side over her left and with training it would all work out. She passed the vet check and everything. She had been in pasture all her life and did not begin any training until I brought her to California and started her when she was 3.5 years old. She is fine at the walk It is when she begins to gait that she gets the the foreshortened stride on her left side. It seemed to get better with conditioning and then last month it got worse. I felt as if I was riding a Clydesdale. Took her to the vet. A bone scan revealed hot spots on her left hock, front feet and to a lesser extent, her left stifle. Her x-rays were normal. When the vet injected anesthetic into her left hock her gait improved significantly. She is sickle hocked which is seen in Peruvians though not a good thing for soundness. I can email you a photo. I appreciate your sharing your thoughts about my question. Thank you Maria - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
Thank you for the advice, Michelle, I am not sure which joints are involved. I hope they will fuse over time as you say. That would be wonderful. The reason I did not get an Icelandic at first was because of the spavin. I decided to take a chance with DSLD. When I get an Icelandic, I will definately test for spavin. If it is blind or occult spavin like my mare has, I wonder how one would tell? My horse passed the first vet check. She must have passed a flex test or the vet is clueless and did not even do one. Without spending thousands on pre-purchase tests, how can one be sure? Do ultrasounds show spavin? As I said, my mare's x-rays were normal/ Maria Moderator's note: please set your computer to plain text and delete the message you are replying to except for two or three relevent lines. Then put your reply BELOW the text you have left. Thank you!
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:21:41 -0800 (PST), you wrote: my mare's x-rays were normal If the x-rays were normal (and assuming they x-rayed the joints from all the angles they needed to, and the vet was used to interpreting x-rays) then it sounds like you just got really unlucky and your mare didn't have spavin at the time of the x-rays, but then developed it. Bummer. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] OT picture of me and HAZEL
my gosh bia, shes glorious! and you look great together :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] TTEAM method-Robyn
By golly, she wasn't kidding, and it wasn't just a Christmas/sugar delusion http://tinyurl.com/3cf4pz i actually bought it for you and forgot to give it to you at the Liz clinic haha! i will bring one next time i come ! The only problem is it doesnt have a strap and you have to make one and none I make seem to go with the pink ribbon and glitter... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 8:28:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . I was into Peruvian Paso horses until my horse died from the West Nile virus shots. If I remember right they are circled in a tiny area around a pole to make them gait. Do they still do this practice? Maybe she needs time to heal and get stronger before she trains for that type of gait. If she was not trained this way for get what I said about the pole but maybe she is just not ready to ride. I didn't get my horse ready to ride until he was way past four because he was still growing. My horse was big and looked Andalusian not Paso over 15 hh. The cycle hock is a problem in its self, my horse was not. But he also did not have a huge amount of turmino either, so perfect for trail. I am sorry you are having this problem with your mare. I agree with Mic and this horse could be fine next year. If you don't want to wait you can send her to me, hahahaha. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
RE: Re: [IceHorses] OT picture of me and HAZEL
my gosh bia, shes glorious! and you look great together :) Janice Thanks Janice!!!
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:16:08 -0800 (PST), you wrote: I think the advice about giving her time off is very good It will take much longer for the affected joints to fuse if you give her time off. Light, daily exercise (say 20 minutes walk, maybe a little gait/trot/whatever if she's comfortable, no lunging or reallly tight circles) with painkillers if necessary is what really works. all the best Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
. I agree with Mic and this horse could be fine next year. If you don't want to wait you can send her to me, hahahaha. Sylvia Hi Sylvia, Thank you for sharing your experiences. Wow! FIfteen hands is big for a Peruvian. I think the advice about giving her time off is very good. They start these horses at 3. I waited until she was almost 4. But the bone scan showed her growth plates were still open so she is still growing. I have put almost 8 months of training on her. I hope she doesn't forget completely. BTW, why did you switch to an Icelandic. Just curious because that is what I am doing. Maria
Re: [IceHorses] icelandic parelli?
watch. I am trying this parelli stuff with mine now and will try and get video! http://youtube.com/watch?v=NR8Jx05H4M8feature=user http://youtube.com/watch?v=oKIfaJP3eZcfeature=user This is very progressive! and much better for the horse than previously, which might have included harsher stuff or the horse and rider not even learning a sidepass on the ground or under saddle. Please let me know when you find more Icelandic + Parelli videos so that I can link them to the website! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
Merry Christmas, Sylvia. We need to see pictures, when she's settled in. Don't worry about her being a little wild. She's just had a really big adventure. I bought a Welsh cob filly at her birth and had her shipped here when she was weaned at five months. You can't get a big rig turned around in here, so I met the transport at the parking of a little country store about a mile from here. I was waiting there and could hear her squealing as the truck approached. I asked the driver if that was mine, and he said Yup. She's been doing that for 100 miles. She had been shipped with another baby from the same farm and pretty much fell apart when they unloaded the other foal. She settled down really quickly and went on to be a nice driving horse. Nancvy
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 1:37:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Switch from Paso to Icelandic is size and temperament. My gelding was my second horse of that breed. My mare was not sound so I bought him. When they gave him the shots he got really weird and went down in the rear and then went crazy it took three days of treatment with fluids and we put him down. The spinal fluid we took after that said meningitis. So the combo of those shots caused a bad reaction on him, other horses have died from them also. I should have put him down the first day. It was awful. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Switch from Paso to Icelandic is size and temperament. from them also. I should have put him down the first day. It was awful. Sylvia I am so sorry to hear that Sylvia. That must have been awful. I did the same thing with my Beagle. I put her through MRI, back surgery (she was in a lot of pain) only to have to euthanize her in the end. I guess we feel we have to at least give them a chance. Though in hindsight, I should have put her down right away. My Peruvian mare is just 14.1 hands but I guess most Peruvians are a bit bigger. I am starting out like you did with an unsound one. They can be high maintanence. Both my 8 year-old daughter and I are going to begin lessons at Valhalla in January. The riding styles are completely different. Was it hard for you to adjust? Maria Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On Dec 21, 2007 7:37 PM, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then the name Runa popped into my head That's a lovely name. V
Re: [IceHorses] icelandic parelli?
On 12/21/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: watch. I am trying this parelli stuff with mine now and will try and get video! http://youtube.com/watch?v=NR8Jx05H4M8feature=user http://youtube.com/watch?v=oKIfaJP3eZcfeature=user if you view these videos and then click on more from this user she has lots, and some other parelli stuff. Someone said she was speaking norwegian? Someone asked what was so parelli about it, but I liked it because it is a normal person trying to do parelli, not a certified official parelli thing. I like to see normal every day people do things, somehow it helps me and inspires, like clicker training. I get so much more out of seeing it than reading it, and like this woman, she squats down when she does the come here part of the yoyo. On the parelli video linda is doing it and she sorta hunkers over. I noticed this woman is tall. Its just interesting to me to see the translations. Also the horse seems to be getting bored with it, but the woman seems still very focused and enjoying the work. Just interesting to see how others do things. Janice Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
and i hope you realize she needs a lot more than a name wanda, I dont mean to scold you but have you considered she needs pink goggles and a little snow suit??! shame on you that she has no pajamas. not even a hair bow! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 2:56:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Oh God I hope that is so, she just ran past me and tried to kick my head off. I drug dog panels out to the arena and blocked the spots where it is not a stud panel type that she was going to thru. I took off the halter before she hangs herself on something and tied everything down. I had a really easy time with my colt and he was an angel from Canada. Never been touched ever and came to me and was dead broke in three weeks. She is very upset. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 21/12/2007, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and i hope you realize she needs a lot more than a name wanda, I dont mean to scold you but have you considered she needs pink goggles and a little snow suit??! shame on you that she has no pajamas. not even a hair bow! Blink! I hadn't thought of that. I'm not accustomed to having a house dog. Where is a good place to buy dog clothes? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
petunia, petals, I like sapphire too, but its long... ginger, she looks like she has terrier in her, some yorkshire or maybe some schnauzer, she will be feisty! Lucy, desi, ruby Two, chachi, lula, turnip, florine. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
First of all, welcome to the list, Maria. I've been thinking about your question about how to determine if a horse is a natural tolter and maybe we should back up a bit. What is YOUR definition of tolt? Some people have WAY different definitions of the term. In my experience, MOST Icelandic's are naturally gaited...most, but not all. Icelandic's pretty much do the same range of gaits as any other gaited horse breed, but that will vary a lot from individual to individual. Some Icelandic's naturally foxtrot, some run walk, some saddle rack, some are very pacey, and some are three gaited (as in walk/trot and canter.) Some can do many of these gaits, while others have only a narrow range of gaits they can comfortably do. Ironically, I think VERY FEW (almost zero) Icelandics truly do a natural tolt at liberty if you mean the single-foot support show gait you usually see in pictures. Tolt is another word for rack, and I DO think that the saddle-rack (the two-foot-three-foot support variation) is fairly common in the breed. I've had gaited horses for almost 20 years, and I live in NC, where gaited horses are common. I love Icelandics better than any breed I've ever met (and I've met a lot and owned several breeds), but what make Icelandic's unique is not their gaits. Gaits are gaits, no matter what some people may try to tell you. Ironically, I see more running walk, saddle rack and foxtrot in this breed than I do tolt. I am not apologizing either - I love all the soft gaits, and personally, my two favorites are foxtrot and running - and I'm thankful that both are plentiful in this breed. Both my 8 year-old daughter and I are going to begin lessons at Valhalla in January. The riding styles are completely different. Was it hard for you to adjust? Even though I've been thinking about your initial question since I first read it, this last statement really rang a bell. Please remember that you can ride an Icelandic any way that you want. Riding styles are a human contrivance. Horses can care less - they simply want to do what's fun and easy for them, and they basically want to get along with their humans. I don't know where Valhalla is - maybe you can tell us more...? But, if you take lessons somewhere where a unique style is important, the chances are slim that you will be able to easily determine what the horse's real-honest-to-God natural gaits really are. Styles are not natural to any horse, and they can unfortunately hide a lot of the natural tendencies and talents of the horse - while mimicking talents the horse may not really have. Before you start taking lessons in any style, it would be good for you to sit down and think about what's important to YOU in a horse. Do you want to trail ride? Do you want a horse that a kid could also enjoy and maybe do some jumping with? Do you just want a horse to play around with in your backyard with, maybe dabbling in many different sports? Are you interested in natural horsemanship? All of these will come into play. As far as the subject of gaits alone, do you have Lee Ziegler's book, Easy-Gaited Horses? It's the best compilation of gait information you'll find anywhere. The woman and her father studied the biomechanics of gaits for 40-ish years before her death a couple of years ago. As I said before, gaits are gaits, so you don't need a special Icelandic book to learn about gaits. Again, welcome! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
Lucky you, she's adorable. How about Sabrina ?(the heiress movie, not the witch). B
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On Dec 21, 2007 7:26 PM, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She's 7 weeks old and needs a name. Any ideas? Aww.how adorable! What breed is she? I'm terrible with names. V
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 21/12/2007, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sapphire. She looks like Ruby, only bigger.She's adorable! Funny, I was thinking she looked like a Ruby. Little Ruby Two Shoes... Either Ruby or Janice. ;) Then the name Runa popped into my head Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] she needs a name
She's 7 weeks old and needs a name. Any ideas? Sapphire. She looks like Ruby, only bigger.She's adorable! Merry Christmas, Wanda! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 3:25:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Maria, I am just a trail rider for fourty years now, so I don't think I have a style not even western or English. I have had an endurance saddle for years and liked it better than western or English and hated Australian saddles. Cannot post in the tight little things. I just enjoy the easy gaits and what ever they do natural is fine with me as long as it is comfortable. My Paso mare was wonderful but she was so unsound when I did trail with her she suffered for a week. My gelding that died was not as smooth as she was but he was sound till he died. I am so careful with shots, my vet said Spanish horses don't do shots well and he was right. He also was not the one that gave the shots. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[IceHorses] Re: O T Question
Horses use thier senses to observe the world around them. On a windy day, everything is moving, making them think something might be hiding in there. The wind also brings tons of new smells and for all they know that dog or something is right behind that moving bush. The wind also dulls their hearing. Can't hear, weird smells, everything moving, and it feels like something is touching them. Other then taste, thier whole world has been shaken up. JR Molly and Jacky
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 12/21/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blink! I hadn't thought of that. I'm not accustomed to having a house dog. Where is a good place to buy dog clothes? Wanda Target, walmart, Jeffers. You talk about costco all the time but we dont have that here. do they have dog stuff? We have petmart and stuff but those places seem expensive! I got ruby a little army bomber jacket, satin, with sargent stripes :) at walmart for 12 bucks. My daughter knitted me a little neck scarf for christmas, and I got some pipe cleaners and I am trying to make ruby a scarf that will wave out in the air behind just like the red baron, so be on the lookout for more ruby and teev pics haha. My husband has a paper mask for his nose and mouth, and I am gonna paint it black with shoe polish and see if I can get it to look like a little helmet. Any more helmet ideas for her? I bought a little girls swim hat at the goodwill but it doesnt work, altho it is very very funny, it pulls the hair around her eyes so they pull up into slits like she has had a bad face lift. I laughed so hard I almost fell off the couch and she was of course, very very deeply offended... your puppy should not develop self confident issues until a little older so now would be ideal for dressing her in humiliating outfits and taking lots of pics and getting her to enjoy sitting on a horse's back.\ hurry up and name her i am getting tired of calling her the puppy Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, welcome to the list, Maria. WHAT Is YOUR definition of tolt? Hi Karen,. Thank you for the welcome. I guess I will have to put it into Peruvian terms since that is all I know. To me a horse with good gait has a wide thread. Which means they can maintain the gait ( 4 beat lateral with 3 foot support) in all range of speeds from slow to fast. The best Peruvians will choose to gait at liberty rather than trot but they will also trot and canter. Good timing is also important to a smooth ride. So, I guess to answer your question I would say a horse that is smooth, with good timing and with a wide range of speed within the gait. I mentioned different ridign styles because Peruvian Horses are ridden more Western style and Icelandics seem to be ridden English with a lot more contact on the bit. Valhalla is a training barn for Icelandics in Lake View Terrace. The teachers are Icelandic so I imagine it will be differen than taking lessons from a Peruvian trainer Maybe I am wrong. I don't have a lot of experience either way. Thanks for all the info. I really want to learn as muc as I can. Maria Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: [IceHorses] icelandic parelli?
Someone asked what was so parelli about it, but I liked it because it is a normal person trying to do parelli, not a certified official parelli thing. Pat Parelli will be the first to tell you that, when it comes right down to it, nothing is really so Parelli about his program. He uses good, sound natural horsemanship methods, but their claim to fame is coming up with the most organized program for the average person to follow. He's quick to give credit to his mentors, like Ronnie Willis and Tom Dorrence to name a couple. get so much more out of seeing it than reading it, and like this woman, she squats down when she does the come here part of the yoyo. On the parelli video linda is doing it and she sorta hunkers over. I noticed this woman is tall. Its just interesting to me to see the translations. That hunkering over is pretty key. After you get to the point that is instinctive to you, you can do the same thing with just the subtlest tilt of your head. Horses are VERY tuned in to body language, and even a horse that doesn't know the Parelli program will many times respond to the body language they show you. I'm convinced that he Seven Games aren't the Parelli Games - they are part of the natural language of horses. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
How about Fame, she is already in the SPOT Light! -- I and my horses love our track system, take a look~~~ http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackForHorses
Re: [IceHorses] A Tosca Report
very cool nancy :) and rheumatoid runs in my family so I know that painful as it is, you have to keep active or it can get worse than if you don't! So finding a horse that will keep you active but not hurt your joints too bad would be great. I have knee issues and thank goodness my tall horses will stand all day while I mount, otherwise I'd be in trouble. I can almost mount teev from the ground, bet i could in a pinch if i had to, but just seems better on my knees somehow. also he trots, but he has a special trot he does that my rear doesnt even leave the saddle its so nice. also he has a peppy little flatwalk he can do a nice long time and it is just a real pleasant smooth rate of speed. some easy gaits are naturally very fast, too fast to smell roses imo, like a rack. Teevs canter is too fast really in and out trees is scarey at the canter he goes so fast, actually faster than my tall horses, which i dont understand. but some easy gaits like a runningwalk or foxtrot are a nice pleasant speed to me. but i like a thrill ride saddle rack too :) just not in and out trees on a horse that will crack your knees yiii I am glad bev is back :)janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
Wanda...you're such a push over for puppy breath!! Call her Corazon, cuz she stole yours. ;] Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic-Style Riding Instructor
use a lot of dressage in the training. I know that they feel they are using dressage, but I think not many dressage people would accept what they are doing as dressage. questions and check to see if they use such practices. Do they use icelandic saddles? That's a mechanical aid which forces the horse into ventroflexion because of the tightness (narrowness) of the saddle, and sometimes the length with the extended panels that dig into the loins. A little bit of whip keeps the horse tense enough to gait sometimes (not something that we like to see because if it makes the horse tense, there may be some reminder of it's past use). I would never support anyone who did not train using humane methods. Look for the saddles, heavy contact, whether the horse gaits on a loose rein, what gait the horse is doing, if the shoes are regular normal keg shoes or heavier shoes and / or different types or size and weight shoes between front and back feet (and ask why the horse is shod if used in an arena or on less than extremely rocky terrain). Judy
Re: Re: [IceHorses] OT picture of me and HAZEL
my gosh bia, shes glorious! and you look great together :) I agree. Thanks everyone for saying such nice things. She is going to be a good friend. I hope everyone has a great holiday Bia
[IceHorses] The Horse's Ten Commandments
The Horse's Ten Commandments: [] My life is likely to last 20 or more years. Any separation from you will be painful for me. Remember that before you take me home. [] Give me time to understand what you want from me. [] Place your trust in me. It is crucial to my well being. [] Don't be angry with me for long. [] Don't lock me up as punishment. You have your work, your entertainment and your friends. I have only you. [] Talk to me sometimes. Even if I don't understand your words, I do understand your voice when it is speaking to me. Be aware that however you treat me, I'll never forget it. [] Remember before you hit me that I am powerful enough to hurt you, but choose not to. [] Before you scold me for being uncooperative, obstinate, or lazy, ask yourself if something might be bothering me. Perhaps I have a problem that you are not yet aware of. [] Take care of me when I am old. You too will be old one day. [] Go with me on the last journey. Never say I can't bear to watch or Let it happen in my absence. Everything is easier for me if you are there. Remember that I love you.
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
Ohmigosh! She's precious. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 21/12/2007, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ohmigosh! She's precious. Nancy Little Miss precious snuck off when I was in the kitchen (Kevin was watching her apparently)...and she did a huge poo right at the end of our bedand then Kevin promptly stepped in it. She hasn't endeared herself to him yet, though they are glancing at each other... Wanda Off to snug with her and watch some more TV
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
Oh God I hope that is so, she just ran past me and tried to kick my head off. Poor baby must be frantic being away from home the first time. Is she settling down yet? Does she have another horse in with her? Don't get yourself hurt. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Parelli Who?
It's been a while since I took time to do any ground work with the TWH Hunter. I can usually tell when he is beginning to need my rather uninformed version of the 7 Games. So - today was the day. I was right. He was not tuned in. He had some good moments, no great moments, but we ended up with him relaxed and his eyes soft. I really know it helps him, but sometimes I fall into a pattern of just getting on and riding him. He is capable of working off lead in a way that brings tears to my eyes. Today, he stayed with me for one turn of the arena and then just sort of wandered off. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
i think hard to housebreak is a terrier thing! I have had several and they were all hard to housebreak. Our blue heeler and austrailian shepherd just housebroke theirselves. They just seemed to naturally want to go outside. Ruby acts like she is too afraid to have me out of her sight to go do her business so when I let her out i have to stand there on the porch the whole time while she watches me like a hawk to make sure i dont leave her. She is ok if I dont leave her out of her crate at night or when we arent home. She never soils her crate. or the car. When I go riding on cool days she comes along and sleeps in the truck the whole time and has never had an accident in there. The best housebroken terrier I had was my westie Pearl. I went on a long car trip across country with her when she was new to me, about 4 months old, and the car was so full of junk she had to sit in a tiny little space and I would stop often to let her go. By the end of the trip she was perfectly housebroken, so I learned from that the crate method is best since its about the same principal. but ruby would rather have an accident by the front door than wake me up and take a chance she might run outside and be swallowed up into the twilite zone and never see me again. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
is she a yorkie wanda? From her pic its hard to judge her size. How big is she?? she is just a cute little bunnee. Annas yorkies are about the teeniest I ever saw! Just remember the mean part of a pit bull terrier is the terrier. you have to teach them to be nice. Ruby sits in my lap and when the big dogs walk by she goes g and bares her teeth haha. She is the BOSS. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
you could name her betty. Shes got betty davis eyes. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
name her Bjork! then you could work up a trick. When she barks at people who come over say tell them your name! and she'll go bjork bjork. Bjork would be perfect!! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic-Style Riding Instructor
Karen and Judy, Thanks again for the advice and sharing your years of experience. I had no clue a saddle could be used as a mechanical aid. This is very discouraging. I thought the Icelandic was a natural horse. Seems they have a few things in common with the TWH. I have seen some Peruvians being ridden ventroflexed but the saddles are wide. They are also supposed to be ridden with a loose rein and must be shown barefoot to prove the gait is natural. In fact, I have never seen a shod Peruvian. So I guess I just need to find a good all around natural horse trainer. I liked this barn because the one lesson I had seemed to have a lot of focus on classical equitation skills. It is so hard to find a qualified instructor who is also kind to their horses. I rode many years ago as a child but only recently got back into riding about a year ago. I am not very experienced. Is there anyone in Southern California who knows of a good trainer? I live in OC but would be willing to drive 1.5 hourse either way for the right instructor. Thanks, Maria Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
wanda how is little bjork doing?? give us an update. i bet you could housebreak her if you bought her some of those little red polka dot ruffledy panties. and you could do her nails red while its snowing out and put a little red bow in her hair. just offering some constructive dog training advice. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 7:22:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wri No, she does not have another horse with her, there were suppose to be some here but they didn't come for a visit. I know she is scared, terrified for a fact. I thought about borrowing one from the neighbor. Maybe tomorrow I can get another icy. Thanks, Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
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Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 21/12/2007, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wanda how is little bjork doing?? give us an update. i bet you could housebreak her if you bought her some of those little red polka dot ruffledy panties. and you could do her nails red while its snowing out and put a little red bow in her hair. just offering some constructive dog training advice. Oh thanks...good sound advice is always appreciated. She's presently sitting in Cara's lap, staring up into her face. She's just the quietest little thing, but she's always watching you with those bright eyes of hers. Betty or Bjorkhmm.. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
On 21/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, she does not have another horse with her, there were suppose to be some here but they didn't come for a visit. I know she is scared, terrified for a fact. I thought about borrowing one from the neighbor. Maybe tomorrow I can get another icy. Thanks, Sylvia Get another icy??. How many times have we heard that? Sylvia...you're heading down a slippery slope. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:26:25 -0600, you wrote: She's 7 weeks old and needs a name. Any ideas? She's small, spiky and xmassy. Holly. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] The Horse's Ten Commandments
I was thinking about this, and thinking how some of it really doesn't apply to a lot of Icelandics, thank goodness! Nearly all of them live in herds, even if only a herd of two or three, and they are not kept stabled 24/7 . Any separation from you will be painful for me. Actually, providing I have my equine friends, exercise, food, water and shelter, I'm not THAT bothered if I see you or not. [] Don't lock me up as punishment. You have your work, your entertainment and your friends. I have only you. And my equine friends who are S much more interesting! Remember that I love you. Actually, I don't believe most horses love their humans. Horses are prey, humans are predators. They may grow to like and trust us after years of good handling, but love? I don't really think so. Show me a horse that is always happier to be with his human than with his best equine friend there's just not that many (if any) of them around. These things are nice, but horses are horses and people are people, and we don't think alike or have the same emotional responses. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
