[IceHorses] Woman Bullfighter
http://horsesforlife.com/content/view/1100/994/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Blood test results
Corrie's blood test results are back. I won't bore you with all the normals. The RBC 5.22 (6.4-10), HCT 28.2 (32.0-47.0) RDW 17.9 (21-25)(MCV upper end of normal Hb low end of normal). So she isn't iron deficient. Is she low in B12 or folate or is this old age? Eosinophyl 2.4. Probably her recent exacerbation of COPD?. (wormed regularly) Everything else on the blood count was fine. Electrolytes were normal. Glucose 1.8 (2.8-6.5) Bilirubin 9 (17-50) Are these normal for her age? Triglycerides 0.71 (0.1-0.3) Who's been slipping her the Macdonalds. Does she need a diet. Is this due to lack of exercise this past month? Is it the beginning of IR? She is not fat as I can easily feel ribs. I was rather hoping there would be a letter with the results. I will put my questions to the vet. I thought someone might be interestd in the results. Sue UK
[IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
Canada needs to implement something like this. http://www.icelandics.org/prpscore.php#rc Wanda -- Thoughts become things...
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Hay Shortage
This hay is from a hay field that is mostly grass with a tiny bit of alfalfa in it. There is very little mould as it seems our hay guy knows when to cut and bale it. We're very happy with it. That wouldn't work here. I'm not saying that it won't work for YOU, Wanda, where you live, but I wouldn't do it here. I just say that people should check with their local Ag Agents. I think there are too many local/regional differences for us to discuss meaningfully here, given our wide range of geographies and climates. Hay has to be COMPLETELY covered here, or it will mold, get muddy, become a haven for wild animals to nest in...you name it. Do you have EPM up there? I think it's EPM - I get it and another disease confused sometimes - that is transmitted by body fluids of wild animals, particularly raccoons. We keep our horse feeds inside a closet in the barn, stored in tightly covered barrels, and hay inside an old barn, and we still watch for animals to try to set up homesteads. So far, our barn cats seem to do a good job of protecting the barns from rats and other small critters...I hope the influx of coyotes doesn't upset that balance. As far as mold - it's not just the issue of the hay molding during the baling/curing process here. If you put a big bale out and it gets rained on in the field, you have to be concerned about mold developing then too - not to mention it just getting muddy and gross, and wasting a lot, plus worrying about the horses eating contaminated hay. It could be that you don't have to worry so much about mold year-round, since it's SO cold where you are. I don't know. We can get mold here, even when it's just barely above freezing. (I don't think we can below freezing, but honestly, I've never thought about it. I just know we can get mold in the winter.) I know you said that you unroll the hay and feed sections, but I haven't heard of many people taking the time to do that. About 99% of the round bales I see are just plopped out in the pasture, uncovered - used because they take less time to feed, and because, per pound, round bales are cheaper. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Trail riding today
Tosca was doing a pretty good job keeping up with Prizey and doing quite a nice flat walk (I think). Gayle looked over and asked, Is that as smooth as it looks? Yup - it is. Great. She sounds lovely. I'm glad she's coming along so well. (How DID you do that without special Icelandic-only trainers??!!? Ha!) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Hay Shortage
wow. man. that sure is nice and green! our tarp is so heavy one person can't move it. It is a tarp truck drivers use to carry what they are hauling. My husbands truck driver friend gave it to us because he bought a new one. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Blood test results
On 4/3/08, Susan Coombes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Corrie's blood test results are back. I won't bore you with all the normals. The RBC 5.22 (6.4-10), HCT 28.2 (32.0-47.0) RDW 17.9 (21-25)(MCV upper end of normal Hb low end of normal). So she isn't iron deficient. Is she low in B12 or folate or is this old age? Eosinophyl 2.4. Probably her recent exacerbation of COPD?. (wormed regularly) Everything else on the blood count was fine. Electrolytes were normal. Glucose 1.8 (2.8-6.5) Bilirubin 9 (17-50) Are these normal for her age? Triglycerides 0.71 (0.1-0.3) Who's been slipping her the Macdonalds. Does she need a diet. Is this due to lack of exercise this past month? Is it the beginning of IR? She is not fat as I can easily feel ribs. I was rather hoping there would be a letter with the results. I will put my questions to the vet. I thought someone might be interestd in the results. Sue UK I dont understand mine either :) The vet had to translate each time I have ever had bloodwork done. At least you know they dont have tons of worms if they arent anemic, jme. I had one anemic once from worm load Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Blood test results
Does she need a diet. Is this due to lack of exercise this past month? Is it the beginning of IR? She is not fat as I can easily feel ribs. I don't have 28-year-old Thunder's recent blood tests (CBC) in front of me, but they were basically fairly normal. His fecal was negative, and he's been wormed regularly. His teeth look pretty good for a guy his age - he's been floated regularly all his life - and no signs of him dropping food, or quidding. His heart and lungs are pretty good for an old guy. He looks like a bone rack however, and we're feeding him tons of Senior complete feed, plus he has access to good grass all day. He seems to feel pretty good - just not the spring chicken he once was. The most common disease in older horses is Cushing's disease. It occurs in younger horses too, but it seems like most horses get it if they live long enough. There seems to be some connection between Cushing's and IR. I lost my old QH in 2003 to Cushing's - he lived five years after his diagnosis. He was 19 when diagnosed, 24 when he died. We were aggressive in our treatment, but his case was pretty severe in its manifestation. I suspect that's what we're seeing with Thunder, but I'm not sure. There are some risks with the testing, so at his age, I'm not likely to put him through it. The Horse magazine has done a lot of articles on Cushing's, laminitis, IR, etc, and the connections between them over the past 10-15 years. They are online at www.thehorse.com. Search for any of the above - you may have to sign up to get to the archives, but it's free and a great source of info. Go do some reading and see if any light bulbs come on. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Trail riding today
Great. She sounds lovely. I'm glad she's coming along so well. (How DID you do that without special Icelandic-only trainers??!!? Ha!) Isn't that a kick? And I've never seen her with her head up in my face or her mouth gaping open. What AM I doing wrong? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Woman Bullfighter
Lovely riding, but surely not my favorite sport. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
http://www.icelandics.org/prpscore.php#rc Wow , Raven, how di you accumulate so many miles when Huggin was so sick last year - that's impressive -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Woman Bullfighter
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://horsesforlife.com/content/view/1100/994/ The horsemanship is impressive but I could never admire someone that participates in bull - fighting - the cruelest of all sports. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
Wow! Raven, was that 1465 miles in a single year?Notice that Raven has the highest number of miles of any horse/rider team on the list. John Parke's Remington has been competing for 13 seasons , completing 10,500 miles. This is the kind of horse and rider mileage endurance riders celebrate, by the way. His two highest mileage years were 1998 with 1525 and 2004 with 2055. Fourteen hundres miles in a year is endurance type riding mileage. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
Hi Wanda Canada needs to implement something like this I agree considering that most of our riders are pleasure riders. The challenge is getting someone to impelement the program. We talked about it and I was trying to put together a booklet for people to keep track but never managed. I guess if we got a sample of what the US does it would make sense. if someone has time. Robyn .
Re: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
On 4/3/08, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canada needs to implement something like this. http://www.icelandics.org/prpscore.php#rc Yes, Wanda, I already downloaded the paperwork so I could send in and do with Tivar, but with my schedule and the heat this year (we had a drought and many many unbearably hot days in a row each month, I could not ride that much! I won't ride if its over 90 with humidity over 90 and most all summer was like that, I could only ride here and there. Then my jaspar got his mystery illness, he was down so much in weight I couldnt ride him but now and then. Hats off to those with healthy happy horses on the trail all summer and winter too... maybe this year! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Woman Bullfighter
http://horsesforlife.com/content/view/1100/994/ Judythat's disgusting. This cruel and inhumane activity. Sorry...but I can not support this activity, nor the rider. Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
Wow , Raven, how di you accumulate so many miles when Huggin was so sick last year - that's impressive. Hi, Most of the time was BEFORE Huginn got ill. Cuz...after he was sick, we were down for a few months, and thenafter thatwe took it easy and slow. It's not miles...it's hours spent riding/working with your pony. In fact we had no time from mid June - mid Sept. RememberHuginn and I ride A LOT and horse camp... just about every weekend in the riding season. This year...I'll bring Huginn back into tip top condition...slowly. He lost a lot of muscle last year when he was sick. In the pastHuginn has been solid muscle, in fact...he looks like a body builder, he is ripped when in his prime. When I got Huginn he was fat and the local Ice folks called him The Couch, so our first year together...we worked on conditioning him. He was ripped by the fall. I guess I do spend a lot of time in the saddlethat's cuz I'm kinda addicted to horses and trail riding. Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Hay Shortage
Hi Dee Does anyone have experience with this method of storage re: mold issues and horse-particular issues? The wrapped bales you generally see are sileage which is for cattle. When they do hayage for horses - the principle is similar but the hay is dried for longer than it is with sileage and then wrapped in plastic. Robyn
[IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
I just received my ABC minerals. I purchased the Rush Creek 1:1 which is specificlly for horses on an alfalfa diet, and I purchased the Magnesium supplement as a lack of Magnesium in the diet can cause nervousness/spookiness/jumpiness in horses, and for whatever reason, my horses seem to fit that description. And these are horses that I have raised from babies, so I know what kind of handling they have had, and I'm not a horrible horse mommie! Now, as to the alfalfa - I don't really want any lectures on it as I would LOVE to find a source of grass, but this IS alfalfa country, and at least I HAVE hay to feed. Every year I look for a grass source, and every year I end up with alfalfa because that is what is here! Anyway, the point is, I know about it, so please don't say anything about alfalfa! I just have to make do with what I have. As to the ABC minerals - I only bought the small 3.5lb tubs to see if my horses would even eat it - and they gobbled it down like it was candy! So now I am looking at buying the 25lb bags of each, and with shipping and handling, that comes to A$142.00 - so are they going to continue to gobble it down like candy, or are they going to slow down their consumption once their bodies are mineral regulated and how long should I wait to see if the magnesium makes a difference before I decide if it is worth it or not? Susan in NV You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
Wow! Raven, was that 1465 miles in a single year? Hi Nancy...it's hours riding/working with my horse. ;)I do put in a lot of miles. But no where near what John does. I do have a GPS and do use it for hours/miles but I have never really recored my miles, since only hours are used for the PRP. Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Hay Shortage
those marshmellows dont work so hot here. too humid, they sweat. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
On Apr 3, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Nancy Sturm wrote: Wow! Raven, was that 1465 miles in a single year?Notice that Raven has the highest number of miles of any horse/rider team on the list. John Parke's Remington has been competing for 13 seasons , completing 10,500 miles. This is the kind of horse and rider mileage endurance riders celebrate, by the way. His two highest mileage years were 1998 with 1525 and 2004 with 2055. Fourteen hundres miles in a year is endurance type riding mileage. Nancy Raven has an impressive number of HOURS . . . . . John and Remington have certified MILES. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
Re: [IceHorses] Woman Bullfighter
http://horsesforlife.com/content/view/1100/994/ The horsemanship is impressive but I could never admire someone that participates in bull - fighting - the cruelest of all sports. No, I don't like the sport either or care for anyone who participates in it, I'm looking at the athleticism of the horse and how he moves without contact. That, for me, is getting to horsemanship and the subtle unseen communication between horse and rider. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Walking Horse Report
It Doesn't Get Any Better Than This! Trainers' Show Hosts 886 Entries by Jeffrey Howard SHELBYVILLE, Tenn. - We're back! The National Walking Horse Trainers' Show enjoyed its best show in recent memory and served as a notice to everyone in attendance that this is going to be a great year for the Tennessee Walking Horse. Summing up the intense competition was Show Manager Benny Johnson, who has served in this capacity for 35 years. The more they (trainers) show their horses against each other, the better the show will be and the better the year will be. With the previous years' industry conflict over, this year the unity between industry groups was evident with the attitude surrounding the show. For the first time since 1983 the USDA did not attend the show to assist with the inspection process. Johnson addressed the condition of the horses. The trainers had their horses in good shape, brought the numbers and we had a great show. Show Co-Manager Buist Carr said, We need to commend the trainers for how they presented their horses. This show is a tribute to the hard work they have put in to presenting good horses. As for the inspection by NHSC DQPs, it couldn't have gone much better. All in all, 851 horses were inspected and only two pre-show violations were handed out by the DQPs. David Finger, who is head of the DQP program, summed up the inspection. It was just an unbelievable job by the trainers. No time since I have been involved with the walking horse have I seen them in better shape. No question we were prepared for any scrutiny by any group. I asked my DQPs when there were minimal violations if they were checking them thoroughly or letting some slide, to which they replied absolutely not, they are just this good. It should also be noted that for the first time in Trainers' Show history veterinarians and DQPs were patrolling the grounds during every performance to further enhance the inspection process. Finger summed up this year's show by saying, It was an amazing turnaround from last year's Trainers' Show. Great performances, great horses and great compliance. The competition was fierce during the entire show as some of the best horses in the industry came out to perform. No class was more evident of this than the Championship Stake class on Saturday night. In a rare occurrence the judges agreed unanimously on the top three places in the class. Rowdy Rev and Bill Bobo captured the roses for Harlinsdale Farm, He's A Weekend Warrior and Joe Cotten were reserve for Jones and McLaughlin and Gen On The Run and Justin Harris were third for Michael and Ty Hart. Bobo and Rowdy Rev put on a performance that had everyone talking. You can bet this team will be a contender that last Saturday night of August. However, Benny Johnson summed it up best when describing the outstanding competition. Any horse that was top three in any class will be a contender come Celebration and that might be top five in some of the classes we had. Bobo talked about his stud after the show. It was like another day at the office for him. He is good everyday and loves what he does. He has gotten bigger and stronger. We want to dedicate this win to Bill Harlin who was unable to be here because of recent surgery. He was thrilled when we called and said this was going to get him out of the house. Bobo's son, Chris, summed up the championship performance. I have always believed in the talent and heart of Rowdy Rev and know and believe in the talent and heart of my dad. Bill Callaway came out of the gates fast at this year's show winning both the Two-Year-Old Stallion class and Two-Year-Old Mare Gelding class. Callaway directed Encore's Pandemonium to the stud class win for Bill Hill and took Black Jack Fantasy to the mare class win for The Stables at Alpha Place. It was unbelievable, said Callaway. I feel very fortunate to show these two great horses, but to win on both, it was just more than I could have imagined. This year's show like past years had two three-year-old classes. Winning the first of the two were Electric Gold and Mickey McCormick for Michael and Becky Coleman. Taking top honors in the Three-Year-Old Classic class were Lebron James and Joel Weaver for Brett and Lisa Jones. The Four-Year-Old Open class was one that again featured intense competition between two of the industry's brightest stars. Jimmy McConnell directed Cadillac's Bum to a crowd-pleasing first place performance for owner Pam Betts. Finishing in a reserve tie were Ozone's Cut Above All and John Allan Callaway for Mark and Sharon Thomas. We want to come out early and make a good performance and set the tone for the year and I think we did just that, said Mark Thomas of his horse's performance.
Re: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
BTW...when I had my TWH Wizard, we also placed first in the Trail Riding. In factthey started a Iron Butt category just for us, so that other could have a chance at placing in the regular Trail Riding category. It was always Doc Bol and meplacing. Doc Bol is a saddle fool...just like me. Honestly...there is no way that I thought we would place this year. Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
Now, as to the alfalfa - I don't really want any lectures on it as I would LOVE to find a source of grass, No lecture. I used to feed alfalfa to my Thoroughbreds. However, many endurance folks out our way thinks alfalfa makes their horses hot. nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Woman Bullfighter
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The horsemanship is impressive but I could never admire someone that participates in bull - fighting - the cruelest of all sports. I couldn't watch it all through. What does the poor horse feel about this. Maybe he thinks he's next. I really can't see the point of it. Sue UK
Re: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
Susan, cant you get some feed providor in the area to stock this mineral for you?? Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Hay Shortage
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:14:49 -0700, you wrote: The wrapped bales you generally see are sileage which is for cattle. When they do hayage for horses - the principle is similar but the hay is dried for longer than it is with sileage and then wrapped in plastic. That's what we use, ir works really well. Dust free, no mould (hey you North Americans there's a U in that word!!! ; ))) and the horses do really well on it. We have contractors in to make it on our own fields so we know it's weed free, and not cut too short (it's when you get soil etc in the bales, not just dead creatures, that you can get botulism). Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
as for your question, my horses mineral appetites go up and down. and varies from horse to horse. some will ignore and others will gobble it like a pig when I leave it out free choice. What I do... I leave out a salt block all the time, a brown one with minerals too. Then I do the free choice minerals in the feed buckets about once a week if no rain. (If it rains the rain melts it and its wasted). I figure this way, maybe I'm wrong, they can have the 24/7 salt block take care of some needs so at least they donbt gobble down all those expensive minerals just cause they need salt... does that make sense? probably totally faulty logic which if it is someone on here is sure to point out haha. But I have no grass at all, and my iceys and my donkey and one of my walkers are such easy keepers I feed them almost nothing and worry they arent getting nutrients. So I make sure they get their loose minerals especially. I feed gro strong by alliance. I am blessed that I live close enough to drive to jeffers warehouse and pick things up, otherwise could not pay shipping! I see where minerals, like the gro strong I use, etc, some of them have a kind expressley for animals on alfalfa. My gro strong come in an alfalfa formula. as for magnesium, i have the worst memory, but saw something the other day that it does other than calm... but anyway, I gave it to my stonewall for calming and he turned into a zombie haha. he would stand out in the pasture all alone (he is not a loner AT all) like he was thinking I know I should be FEELING something... haha but it sure didnt hurt him and I plan to experiment with less, a half dose. My Jaspar has turned into a brat lately, feeling his oats as they say, becuase he has not been ridden hardly at all and has been eating the most fattening things known to horsedom. he is fired up as they say. But him fired up just means a happy stepping pace :) But I do see him biting the others etc but he lost his herd leader spot when he lost all his weight and now he feels better I think he is trying to get it back. he is jumpy and nervous on sweetfeed products and on hoof supplement product with biotin. I dont think protein is a big culprit like people used to think! Because mine eat strategy which is 14% protein and they are all calm as can be. Jaspar got froggy when I started feeding him equine senior. Molasses just sends him over the edge or something haha. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
I would think that there is a pelleted feed with the magnesium in it that you could feed and just cut back on the alfalfa. I have one horse that alfalfa makes crazy...I can't feed it to him but we have timothy here anyway so he rarely gets any alfalfa unless the timothy has some mixed into it and I can always tell when he's had too much because he changes. Anyway, there is also a bagged chopped hay you can buy that is grass. Its concentrated so you feed alot less. If your horses are antsy, check out the bagged pelleted feed called Cool Command if you can get it out there, see if it has enough magnesium for you. I also feed triple crown lite. Shipping is, for me, not an option as it makes everything too expensive. So I get what is available or produced regionally/locally etc I just spray the pellets with some water to soften them just to be safe (from those that tend to eat too fast). I feed the pelleted feed once a day with hay (less hay), and hay only once a day. If you free feed then adjust the amount I guess that you allow them to eat for a certain part of the day? I don't know because I don't free feed but the pelleted feeds are complete and you don't want them to get too fat! My guys would burst if I free fed! They look at food and gain weight! (well except for my one old guy who I feed extra to.) Suggestions anyway! Bia
Re: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
PS, if there comes a time when I have no hay available due to another drought etc, I will feed alfalfa pellets mixed with beet pulp for forage. But from being in the posse we get 4 free bags of feed a month from the spillers dealer so we are going to feed happy hoof, a sort of forage type low carb formula for laminitis types to my easy keepers. yay Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
well next year i will have to sign up so I can get credit for all those hours I spend getting photos of mine in frog slippers haha. Would that count?? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
Wanda did you lose your cat??!?!? you know I only ask cause i care,. janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes. attachment: CatFound.jpg
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Woman Bullfighter
Bottom lineis that this is a cruel and inhumane activity! I refuse to call it a sport. To me...it doesn't matter how good a rider or horse are, why would I support them.. when the rider is slowly.painfully, cruelly... KILLING the bull for enjoyment?~! Honestly...I was very surprised to see this being promoted on this list ...as a good example of horsewomanship. Bull. BTW...many horses are killed each year by bulls during this activity. Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] a long tail
wow Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes. attachment: ht2.jpg
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Woman Bullfighter
On 03/04/2008, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottom lineis that this is a cruel and inhumane activity! There are lots of cruel and inhumane activies going on. We need to look in our own backyards before we start pointing fingers. Wanda
[IceHorses] Clinic Notes
Notes by Elizabeth on a classical dressage clinic by Col. Carde (taken in shorthand, but not seen or approved by Col. Carde): CC's comments during this clinic (just held near Downington, PA) follow: He prefers to work with a stiff horse in hand to unlock the stiffness before the rider gets on because in hand the trainer's hand can be closer to the bit and used with more precision to get bending at the poll without the horse tilting its head. Even under saddle he showed that you can get somewhat more flexion at the poll (and regular, without tilting) by moving your hand closer to the bit. This is only a momentary thing, not ridden continuously. On the in hand flexions he kept the horse's head Up (not lowered) with O rein. Vibrate the inside rein if need to if the horse resists flexion (this is the same as the SRS clinic with Rudi Rostek) Snaffle is the bit for direction and balance; curb is the bit for relaxation and collection. (I was surprised about the curb being used for relaxation) Start work on the side that is easier for the horse. Try something at walk first. If you can't get it at W, don't move on to try it at T or C. (obviously this applies only to things that can be done at W, i.e. not lead changes etc) We need to train horses more at W. If the horse pulls down, use pressure Up (and forward, never backward). The horse should stretch down Only when the rider asks it, not before when it would be a resistance. Outside hand can be up more than inside hand at first to induce proper bending on a circle. If the horse is stiff to one side especially do this on a small circle to the hard side, using the outside hand/rein to prevent the horse from tilting its head or falling out. On straight lines your hands should be equal. Only use different height of hand if needed to correct bending or tilting of head. Use the hand forward in the direction of the opposite ear to correct tilting. Go always in the direction of collection including higher head carriage using higher hands if necessary to get the head up sometimes but still always reaching out to the bit forward never backward and never overbent or short in the neck. Lots of breaks with stretching the neck out in between doing exercises with higher carriage. When the horse does something good, let it stretch for reward. There is no collection without straightness. When schooling piaffe under saddle or in hand he always had the horse straight first. (He said that slight SF can be used to promote straightness with horses that tend to swing the hind in when asked to school piaffe) of the day Many things you are schooling have to be with reference to the day only. Such as the contact of the day today could (often will be) different than the contact of tomorrow or yesterday because the horse can feel or be a little different on each day. Regular geometric figures (circles, serpentines, etc) help the horse feel secure. Always follow the movement of the horse with soft permanent contact. Be precise with hands, like playing a piano not just stiff. Riders were often reminded to keep their shoulders back, hands down. He used a lot of the same exercises as in PK videos where you do figure 8 with true bending on one of the circles and counter bending on the other. (He apparently trained PK at Saumur) Often used low inside hand as a direct rein to I and inside leg to push hind out on circle for horse that was stiff, keeping the O shoulder from falling out with the O rein. Carde got on several horses with amazing results (he is 76 and said he is allowed to ride but not to fall. Not a bad mantra!). On one horse that was curling badly he used low I rein and higher O rein but both always giving in the direction forward to bring it back out IFV again. He said you can also use both reins higher and still giving forward. When you get the result you go back to normal (low) hands and have the horse stretch. In particular you must not allow the horse to curl at a down transition when they anticipate this, keep the hands up and keep going forward out to the vertical. You might have to use shorter reins to do this because you keep your hands forward to keep the horse forward and out. Best is for the rider to anticipate and Prevent the horse doing something wrong. You do something first such as Before the horse curls you bring hand up or loosen the rein. Always keep regular cadence in the gait regardless of what you are doing at that gait and the frame up unless you deliberately ask for stretch. When change something (contact, gait, collection, whatever) always change it Progressively, not suddenly or abruptly. Bring the horse to the bit by lateral flexion not by just pushing the horse into the hand. Inside rein at the withers, O rein slightly higher for corners and bending. I hand lower than O hand for SI but = pressure in both hands. HP keep I flexion with I rein lower and close to neck with O rein higher. Get the flexion I on small
[IceHorses] Re:ABC Mineral Questions
gobbling down the minerals like candy Susan: I have used the ABC Free Choice system (for us Icelandic Mineral mix Redmond Salts) for about 14 years now at Robyn Hood's suggestion when I bought Lalli from her. Yes, in the beginning when the horses' needs for the minerals are greater, they will consume more. When their systems become less deficient, they will balance out their consumption. Mine only consume the Icelandic Mineral mixRedmond Salt at the change of coat (fall spring) or during times of stress like extreme heat. I always have out free choice the MOP mix just in case they get into something to protect the liver kidneys/ balance the intestinal flora in addition to the latter. My ancient Quarter Horse mare barely touches anything except the Himalayan salt chunk I have out. I go through 1 25 lb. bag of each now for the 3 horses a year an 8 lb bag of MOP annually. The only other supplement I use is the Hilton General Herb freeze dry mix for horse who don't have acces to pasture year round Circulate by Hilton for the ancient mare's arthritis. Kaaren
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Woman Bullfighter
On 03/04/2008, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of cruel and inhumane activies going on. We need to look in our own backyards before we start pointing fingers. Ohgood lord! Now what are you accusing me off? Nothing.Why is everything always about you? I'm just saying we have lots of cruel things going on in North America. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanda did you lose your cat??!?!? you know I only ask cause i care,. Time to thin the herd! TSTL Susan in NV You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Woman Bullfighter
There are lots of cruel and inhumane activies going on. We need to look in our own backyards before we start pointing fingers. Ohgood lord! Now what are you accusing me off? Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Singing in the Rain
It's drizzling here. Here's Noel and Blondie, singing in the rain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9BHLBE_ffE Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re:ABC Mineral Questions
--- Kaaren Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go through 1 25 lb. bag of each now for the 3 horses a year Ok, that sounds reasonable! And, as someone here at work mentioned, $32 shipping is still cheaper than me driving either to Carson City or Reno, only to find their feed stores DONT carry what I am looking for! an 8 lb bag of MOP annually. What is the MOP?? Susan in NV You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if there comes a time when I have no hay available due to another drought etc, I will feed alfalfa pellets mixed with beet pulp for forage. This is a thought - alfalfa for one meal, then beet pulp for the other. H Susan in NV You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Icelandic Horse Virtual Show!
Hi Judy, the following went into my spam filter. I'm not sure why. On 01/04/2008, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's the announcement of the First Annual Natural Icelandic Horse Virtual Show! Anyone can enter; no entry fees, no costs, just videotape and upload your natural gait and / or natural horsemanship video to http://youtube.com Here's the webpage with the info: http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/04/join-us-in-first-annual-natural.html and the video announcement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ApPJCMjZVg Please pass this on to all of your Icelandic Horses lists, and your Icelandic Horse contacts. We want everyone to have a chance to enter and be involved! Thanks! Judy IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links -- Thoughts become things...
[IceHorses] Re: ABC Mineral Questions
What is MOP Look on my web-site:kaarenjordan.com under the Holistic Horse Care Corner for a description of all the products I use rec. to my clients. Kaaren
Re: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have no grass at all, Neither do I, just a dry lot full of sand. But they have plenty of room to run and play! as for magnesium, i have the worst memory, but saw something the other day that it does other than calm... I think I read somewhere that it is good for IR horses. Susan in NV You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
RE: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
Hi Susan, My experience is the same as Kaaren Jordan's, once the horses have enough of the minerals they slow down. Also if you buy the Icelandic minerals (not advertised but they make them) they don't eat them as rapidly as it is a slightly different formula. I sent them hair from a variety of Icelandics and they made the formula. I would suggest a 25# bag should last you a while. Robyn Hood
Re: [IceHorses] a long tail
My first thought -- does that horse never gets out of his stall ?
Re: [IceHorses] Singing in the Rain
On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Judy Ryder wrote: It's drizzling here. Here's Noel and Blondie, singing in the rain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9BHLBE_ffE Darling. Kat
Re: [IceHorses] Singing in the Rain
On 4/3/08, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's drizzling here. Here's Noel and Blondie, singing in the rain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9BHLBE_ffE Too CUTE-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] a long tail
On 4/3/08, Kathleen Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first thought -- does that horse never gets out of his stall ? i thought about that too! My jaspar's tail would maybe grow that long, I dont know... but notice the short broken off part near the hocks? When my Jaspar's tail starts dragging the ground by about a foot anytime he backs up he steps on it and rips it out. So I would start wrapping it in vet wrap. Also when it starts reaching the ground he starts cocking his tail to one side like a walking orse that has had his tail surgically altered or purposely broken to make them hold it up. I did not download all the photos of this horse but it was at some big show. I bet it is in a tail wrap anytime they arent on the way to and from an arena! and then the horse doesnt have much to swat bugs with... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] a long tail
Here you go, it says he is in the guiness book of worlds records as being the horse with the longest tail, 12.5 feet. There are other pics too. http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Longest-Tail-Horse-12-5-ft-3-8-m-80541.shtml it says he has it braided and wrapped in a long tube sock any time he isnt in a ring. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes. attachment: The-Longest-Tail-Horse-12-5-ft-3-8-m-2.jpg
Re: [IceHorses] Trail riding today
Isn't that a kick? And I've never seen her with her head up in my face or her mouth gaping open. What AM I doing wrong? All I can say is keep it up, girlfriend! Aren't these horses just the best? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Icelandic Horse Virtual Show!
OK, here's the announcement of the First Annual Natural Icelandic Horse Virtual Show! Hi Judy, the following went into my spam filter. I'm not sure why. Maybe because it sounds too much like advertising. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] true horsemen, was progress?
Everyone just loves Liz! Anyone who doesn't love Liz... well, thats not someone I would trust around my horses. She IS a dear person, and you're right - you can tell a lot by how the horses react to her. I know there is some variation is chemistry that forms between one person and another. And I can understand that what she teaches might not be tops on the agenda for some people - for instance, some people might be more into a purer form of natural horsemanship and that's fine. And some people may be more cued into a particular sport that's not Liz's forte - if I wanted to learn pure dressage for instance, I'd probably pick someone else. But, that said, Liz is a wonderful person, the best expert I know relating to gaits, a great horsewoman overall, and if someone says horrible things about her...well, ya gotta question the source. Some on the list may remember the horrible and unjust flaming Liz got for DARING to make a video with Icelandic horses in it, when gasp she has never been certified in the Icelandic style of riding... Sheesh. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
Time to thin the herd! TSTL Susan in NV too S to laugh... too silly to laugh? too sad to laugh?? I know it is pretty sad... but people in Canada, they dont even know what real cat is probably! Too stupid to laugh?? come on, tell me, gimme a hint... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Woman Bullfighter
I'm just saying we have lots of cruel things going on in North America. oh wanda, quit accusing her of bullfighting. and go get your cat. someone found it over on Sunset Street. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Woman Bullfighter
oh wanda, quit accusing her of bullfighting. and go get your cat. someone found it over on Sunset Street. I've been out riding all morning, Janice, and obviously missed something. Raven has fallen off the wagon and is bullfighting again or Wanda's cat is bullfighting on Sunset Street? Cute cat, sort of and bullfighting does make me sick. We were trying to find a particular hospital in Mexico and the directions were just go to the bullring Everyone knew that landmark. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is also a bagged chopped hay you can buy that is grass. I've asked for that, and pelletted grass hay at the feed stores here, and they look at me like I am two headed! But I can get bagged, chopped alfalfa, alfalfa pellets, or alfalfa cubes! Susan in NV (where alfalfa is grown for overseas shipment, and they can get 5 cutting a year!) Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: ABC Mineral Questions
--- Kaaren Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is MOP Look on my web-site:kaarenjordan.com under the Holistic Horse Care Corner for a description of all the products I use rec. to my clients. There is no MOP listed. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!
This picture was taken shortly after passing the snake. What a pretty spot to ride - without the snake, of course. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Lost Cat
oh wanda, quit accusing her of bullfighting. and go get your cat. someone found it over on Sunset Street. Janice, where on earth did you find that lost cat picture?!! That is so funny! We have those kind of cats in our area. Hey, do you have armadillos in Florida? I've heard them called 'possum on the half-shell. We just don't have them on the half-shell here.:) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 4/2/2008 4:14 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Pleasure Rider Program
well next year i will have to sign up so I can get credit for all those hours I spend getting photos of mine in frog slippers haha. Would that count?? Only if I get credit for those hours I spend staring out the foalmobile window waiting for babies to be born :) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 4/2/2008 4:14 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!
the horse is in such a state of panic. Janice -- NO ONE HAS MY PERMISSION TO COPY ANY PORTION OF MY POSTS TO OTHER LISTS. THIS IS BECAUSE I AM SO SUPERIOR AND THE ABSOLUTE QUEEN OF ALL DRAMA AND UNLIKE OTHERS I NEVER MAKE A MISTAKE BUT WHEN I DO GOD FORBID I SHOULD APOLOGIZE. riggght thats my new snigtag :)
Re: [IceHorses] Re: ABC Mineral Questions
minerals of preference?? I dont know susan, you got my head spinning with initials today. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Woman Bullfighter
I've been out riding all morning, Janice, and obviously missed something. Raven has fallen off the wagon and is bullfighting again or Wanda's cat is bullfighting on Sunset Street? Cute cat, sort of and bullfighting does make me sick. its like good cop, bad cop. I am just so tickled wanda made someone mad instead of me for a change. but I went to check on the other lists on yahoo to see if anyone was talking about the recent, last weekend, annual USIHC meeting (they arent) and found where Raven has a long ranting post railing away at Wanda (good cop) which just tickles the heck outa me since Raven once put this in a post where I had made a mistake, and apologized btw--- ABSOLUTELY NO ONE HAS MY PERMISSION TO COPY MY POSTS TO ANY OTHER LIST hahahahaha what a HOOT. Then she acts all cutesey ooh my bad AS IF she didnt do it totally on purpose I am gonna make that my new snigtag Does anybody know anything about how the annual USIHC meeting went?? Janice-- ABSOLUTELY NO ONE HAS MY PERMISSION TO COPY MY POSTS TO ANY OTHER LIST Hahahahaha good one Raven, you GO!
Re: [IceHorses] ABC Mineral Questions
i get alfalfa cubes sometimes and let them soak and feed as a big treat. man they love that stuff! but it comes in such a huge bag, beet pulp also! Its hard to use all that up in a humid area before it starts going bad when you have so few horses and you only feed it as a treat Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TSTL Too stupid to laugh?? come on, tell me, gimme a hint... Too stupid to live You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Lost Cat
Janice, where on earth did you find that lost cat picture?!! That is so funny! We have those kind of cats in our area. Hey, do you have armadillos in Florida? I've heard them called 'possum on the half-shell. We just don't have them on the half-shell here.:) we have armadillos, people loathe them, they dig up your whole yard! My sister sent me the picture, i laughed so hard. My neice said one time at the vet a yankee ran in all upset with a possum in a box saying she found it in her yard and it fainted. HAHAHAHA. My neice said she said you gotta be kiddin me, when i see them on the highway I swerve to hit em and you were gonna pay for a vet to look at it??!? Now I guess someone will come out and shame me for being unkind to possums, which they say are good with sweet potatoes but i dont think i could ever bring myself to eat an animal that enjoys rolling in dead skunks. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
TSTL Too stupid to live HAHAHAHAHA janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
wait, TSTL... you werent talking about me were you??!? Janice-- ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO MISTAKENLY POST THINGS TO OTHER LISTS BUT ONE PERSON WE ALL KNOW
Re: [IceHorses] Lost Cat
what is funny is that picture is for real on an actual telephone post! Janice ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO USE THIS LIST IN A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO SEEK MONETARY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OTHERS FOR NEFARIOUS PURPOSES thats probably not a rule but it should be
RE: [IceHorses] Lost Cat
Janice, where on earth did you find that lost cat picture?!! That is so funny! We have those kind of cats in our area I had a very young pygmy goat (premie, and born with three siblings, so really tiny) It was tan in the front, white around the middle and tan in the rear, hence the name Twinkie. Anyway..a crazy person my boyfriend and I were renting a studio from got mad at us and let her out in downtown Van Nuys, CA. I called around the dog pounds looking for her but no luck. Judging by the intelligence of some of those I was talking to over the phone, I went down to the closest one to see for myself and there she was in a kennel, labeled as a long-haired Chihuahua mix!!! I asked if they hadn't noticed her tiny hooves!! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1357 - Release Date: 4/3/2008 10:48 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Singing in the Rain
I like it tho cause it shows so much in a happy way. it shows: 1. Blondie is SO desensitized and used to strange activity above and around her. Motion and noise. I was at a horse show once, and well, I'll just go ahead and confess, it was my dimwit husband, popped open an auto open umbrella and was standing at the rail and caused a racking horse to jump sideways and nearly lose the rider. I was so embarrassed. People actually booed my husband... But it showed the horse needed some groundwork! 2. It shows blondie is very bonded and in tune and trusting. 3. It shows blondie is in very fit, prime, healthy condition. 4. It shows Blondie is one of those horses that is handled and ridden almost continuously. She has that I am beloved air about her. 5. and equally improtant... it shows Noel has a blast having fun with her horse and thats what its all about, all the above! janice even bad people get caught doing bad things sometimes.
[IceHorses] Soring Hotline / Reward offered
Just days after advertisements appeared in Middle Tennessee newspapers offering cash for information about violators of the state's anti-soring law, phones at the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) began to ring. We received more than 20 tips from that first round of ads, said Keith Dane, director of equine protection for the HSUS. Soring is the deliberate infliction of pain on a horse's front legs, via chemical or mechanical means, to make it painful to bear weight and, thus, induce a higher-action gait in Tennessee Walking Horses and other gaited breeds. According to Dane, the ads appeared in Spanish-language and bilingual publications in Nashville, Chattanooga, and Shelbyville, Tenn., to solicit tipsters. Spanish-language publications were specifically used in order to reach Hispanic barn employees. One of the tricks sorers use to avoid identification is to use the names of Hispanic employees as stated trainers on documents, Dane explained. Unveiled in mid-March, the campaign offers a $10,000 reward to tipsters whose information leads to the arrest and conviction of anyone engaged in soring. The practice is specifically prohibited by Tennessee animal cruelty laws, and the federal Horse Protection Act of 1970. So far, Walking Horse breed associations are backing the strategy. National Walking Horse Association Executive Director Don Vizi called the campaign outstanding. In a written statement, Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders' and Exhibitors' Association President David Pruett encouraged every group within our industry to take a stand against questionable practices and abuse of any kind. But support is not universal. Some newspapers and a Walking Horse-focused magazine declined to publish the ads, Dane said. He did not disclose the names of the publications. Still, the effort has struck a chord. Along with tips, Dane said some callers are offering financial support to keep the campaign active beyond the 2008 horse show season. Anyone with information about soring violations can call the HSUS hotline at 866/411-8326. HSUS will protect callers' identities.
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wait, TSTL... you werent talking about me were you??!? Not today! Actully, it's what we used to use in the Emergency room as a diagnosis code. You want to see a whole lotta stupid people in one place - go to the ER at 3am!!! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Woman Bullfighter
On 03/04/2008, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its like good cop, bad cop. I am just so tickled wanda made someone mad instead of me for a change. but I went to check on the other lists on yahoo to see if anyone was talking about the recent, last weekend, annual USIHC meeting (they arent) and found where Raven has a long ranting post railing away at Wanda (good cop) which just tickles the heck outa me since Raven once put this in a post where I had made a mistake, and apologized btw--- ABSOLUTELY NO ONE HAS MY PERMISSION TO COPY MY POSTS TO ANY OTHER LIST hahahahaha what a HOOT. Then she acts all cutesey ooh my bad AS IF she didnt do it totally on purpose I am gonna make that my new snigtag Janice, just let it go, I hear she turned my original email into some kind of rant about Icelandic trainingI'm not sure how that happened. Anyway, what I was referring to was how sickening it was to watch MY neighbour in almost in MY backyard train young racehorses. It's truly heartbreaking... Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Lost Cat
--- Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there she was in a kennel, labeled as a long-haired Chihuahua mix!!! I asked if they hadn't noticed her tiny hooves!! I had Whippet once and someone of advanced intelligence (not!) asked if she was goat! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!
Beautiful photo and horrid story. I have never been particularly afraid of rattlesnakes and ride from time to time with a BLM naturalist who believes they should be protected. I think I just changed my mind. What kind of saddle is Kim using? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!
I'd just posted the other rattlesnake story to the gaitedhorse list: http://iceryder.net/rattlesnake.html I promised Kim I wouldn't tell her the story until after our ride, so here it is. Oh Judy! That story is so heartbreaking! I'm so glad the snake did not bite us today. No wonder you were nervous about going back. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Woman Bullfighter
Take any further discussion off-list, please. Thanks! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!
We passed a rattlesnake on the trail today. I passed by unknowing, then it rattled as Kim went by. Yikes. they are out here too. Lorraine You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!
On 03/04/2008, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a little on edge in thinking about having to return to that area on the way back to the ranch. And I'd just posted the other rattlesnake story to the gaitedhorse list: http://iceryder.net/rattlesnake.html I promised Kim I wouldn't tell her the story until after our ride, so here it is. Oh boy, do I remember when that happened. Seems like yesterday. It was such a heartbreaking event for Helga... Wanda
[IceHorses] Ride to the Pond
Here are some pictures from the ride to the pond today: http://icehorses.blogspot.com/2008/04/ride-down-to-pond.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
On 03/04/2008, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanda did you lose your cat??!?!? you know I only ask cause i care,. Janice, for heaven's sake...you poor thing. You Floridian's think a big rat is a cat. Let me send you a kitten... Wanda
[IceHorses] Check out iTunes to listen to Leslie's AudioBook!
From Nicky of the Billsbook list: Hi Everyone If you haven't heard Leslie's 10-CD Audio Book Set yet, here's your chance! I've uploaded the Introduction (CD #1) onto iTunes. You don't need to have an iPod or MP3 Player to get it, you can listen to it right through your computer. 3 WAYS OF GETTING IT: Go to iTunes.com and search PODCASTS for horsemanship OR Leslie Desmond. By URL, go to: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=276672309 OR http://web.mac.com/rookeryranch/Leslie_Desmond ENJOY! Nicky
[IceHorses] Hoof Boots/Shoes Video
Good short video on hoof boots and shoes. http://tinyurl.com/3bzdhy This will be Huginn's second year of barefootin'. ' Woohoo! We love our Easy Care Epic Boots! Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
That's no cat. It's a dog! (This is a picture my friend took from our ally in Chicago. :) ) Oh, gosh, we had an experience with one of those, years ago. The dog was barking in the back yard, about midnight, so my husband went out to see what it had cornered. He came in the sliding door and said THAT'S THE BIGGEST FREAKIN' RAT I'VE EVER SEEN as this huge rat ran thru the open slider, into the house, and into the bathroom, hiding behind the toilet. At midnight, we had to call animal control to come and get this rat out of the house. As it ends up, it was a possum, but not something we wanted to keep as a pet :-). Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Horses in Heaven
Got this off a horse list. Two 90-year-old women, Rose and Barb, had been friends all of their lives. When it was clear that Rose was dying, Barb visited her every day. One day Barb said, 'Rose, we both loved riding horses all our lives. Please do me one favor. When you get to Heaven, somehow you must let me know if there's horseback riding there.' Rose looked up at Barb from her deathbed and said, 'Barb, you've been my best friend for many years. If it's at all possible, I'll do this favor or you.' Shortly after that, Rose passed on. At midnight a few nights later, Barb was awakened from a sound sleep by a blinding flash of white light and a voice calling out to her, 'Barb, Barb!' 'Who is it ?' asked Barb, sitting up suddenly. 'Who is it?' 'Barb - - it's me, Rose.' 'You're not Rose. Rose just died.' 'I'm telling you, it's me, Rose,' insisted the voice. 'Rose! Where are you?' 'In Heaven,' replied Rose. 'I have some really good news and a little bad news.' 'Tell me the good news first,' said Barb 'The good news,' Rose said, 'is that there's horseback riding in Heaven. Better yet, all of our old buddies who died before us are here, too. Better than that, we're all young again. Even better still, it's always springtime, and it never rains or snows. And best of all, we can ride all we want, and we never get tired.' 'That's fantastic,' said Barb. 'It's beyond my wildest dreams! So what's the bad news?' 'You're scheduled to lead the trail ride up here next Tuesday.'
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof Boots/Shoes Video
Good short video on hoof boots and shoes. Wow, that is my local channel and I missed it. I just got a pair of the Easyboot Epics but have not tried them out yet. I traded in some worn out Ol Macs on the 50% off exchange program. Ann Bodega, CA
Re: [IceHorses] Lost Cat
Now I guess someone will come out and shame me for being unkind to possums, which they say are good with sweet potatoes but i dont think i could ever bring myself to eat an animal that enjoys rolling in dead skunks. Phew!!! My dogs are safe from you, then! Penny
