Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky International Equine Summit
On Thu, 1 May 2008 12:18:44 -0700, you wrote: >Turf experts have been sent to Hong Kong to get the best footing for the >Equestrian Olympics: It's *almost* kind of funny - the horses will have perfect footing while they die of pollution and smog inhalation Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky International Equine Summit
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > the race track industry sees benefit in switching to synthetic surfaces > > which are less concussive on the horse's legs for long-term soundness > > Turf experts have been sent to Hong Kong to get the best footing for the > Equestrian Olympics: And in the meantime, 2 horses have had to be put down at the Rolex 3-day event this year due to injuries - I love eventing but I think they have just made the obstacles harder and harder to a point that they aren't safe for rider or horse. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky International Equine Summit
> the race track industry sees benefit in switching to synthetic surfaces > which are less concussive on the horse's legs for long-term soundness Turf experts have been sent to Hong Kong to get the best footing for the Equestrian Olympics: The Olympic cross-country course at Beas River in Hong Kong has met all parameters for quality of the turf, the shock-absorbency of the footing, and its drainage ability. The turf has been declared ready for the cross-country portion of the eventing competition at the Olympics this August. The turf experts in the Hong Kong Jockey Club's tracks department are the men in charge of planting the grass to provide perfect footing for the horses. The planting project at Beas River was completed in March 2007. From then on, the turf experts have given the grasses their personal attention, including daily inspection. The Club has invested around HK$28 million ($3.5 million USD) in the cross-country footing at Beas River, including refurbishing the jump zones with sand and planting a total 45,000 square meters (about 11 acres) of Bermuda grass on the Beas River competition course and warm-up areas. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky International Equine Summit
>> Keeneland Race Track installed Polytrack...transition to this synthetic >> surface. The reason for the change was revealed during the session on "The Safety of Horses: A Long-Term View." "We felt the safety of the horse and rider was not coming first and that was unacceptable, You need to listen to the horse and do what´s best for him. It´s a tenet that is not used enough in this business." >In his opinion, the key to equine safety is good horsemanship. More on the Summit: http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=11771 If the race track industry sees benefit in switching to synthetic surfaces which are less concussive on the horse's legs for long-term soundness, how does running on ice fit in? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Kentucky International Equine Summit
One of the discussions at the summit: The Well-being of the Competitive Horse Communication between the equine and man has always been a mystery. Although it is not in a horse´s genetic makeup to verbally communicate, they "speak" to us all the time. This concept was a common theme throughout all four of today´s panels on the Wellbeing of the Competitive Horse. Dr. Catherine Kohn, VMD, from the Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio, acknowledged people who know horse language have special importance in future equine research. "We need to identify the relevant problems to research," said Kohn during the panel on "Equine Research: State of the Field." "But we need bright, intelligent, creative people that work with horses daily and know the problems they experience in order to identify them." When Keeneland Race Track installed Polytrack in 2006, it became the third North American facility to transition to this synthetic surface. The reason for the change was revealed during the session on "The Safety of Horses: A Long-Term View." "We felt the safety of the horse and rider was not coming first and that was unacceptable," Nick Nicholson, President of Keeneland, said. "You need to listen to the horse and do what´s best for him. It´s a tenet that is not used enough in this business." During the same session, Bill Casner, co-owner of WinStar Farm in Versailles, Kentucky, concurred with Nicholson, but added some personal insight. "Horses that have faulty conformation just float over a synthetic surface," Casner explained. "It is very forgiving and provides young horses with a chance to work through their issues because it allows their bones to remodel. The horse is telling us that he likes this kind of surface and we need to listen." In the panel "Veterinary Research on Equine Athletes," Dr. Mary Scollay-Ward, Association Veterinarian at Calder Race Course and Gulfstream Park said a horse´s body language usually indicates a predisposition to catastrophic injury. "With most catastrophic injuries, horses do tell you by exhibiting some sort of sign," Scollay-Ward said. "Except condylar fractures. In my experience, they usually occur in 3-year-olds that are moving quickly through their conditions and forward in their training but there are no outward signs." Charlie Hutton, a speaker for the "Experience, Compassion and Handling of the Horse," owns Hilldale Farm in Princeton, Kentucky and primarily trains reining horses. In his opinion, the key to equine safety is good horsemanship. "You have to always listen to the horse," Hutton said. "Horses are creatures of routine and if they act differently than they normally do, there is almost always something wrong. I rode a horse yesterday that seemed tired and was working to get through the ride. I knew something was off and sent him to the vet this morning." Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
--- Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:34:16 -0600, you wrote: > > >sometimes transitioning a horse from shoes to barefoot takes > >a long time. > > And sometimes, it's not possible at all, depending on the horse, > where > he's ridden, and the conditions he's kept in (for instance, in > areas > with high, frequent rainfall so the feet are usually very soft and > moist). > > Mic Very good comment Mic. I would also add a competent farrier. We transition horses a lot in our buisness...it is gratifying...but sometimes because of the feet, weather conditions, pasture, Owners, a lack of minerals and vitimins, feed, years with shoes, age of horse, type of riding and what terrain.so many factors. I can tell you this, most of our horses have shoes, and we tried for 2 yearsour terrain is too rough...there is nothing on the mainland to compare our terrain to. I think the rocky mountain range is tame compared to our rocks here. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 07:13:23AM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: > > i'm currently working on making adjustments to my treeless saddle, as > stjarni's winter coat is coming in with some white hairs underneath where > the free-swing stirrup "butterfly piece" lies, indicating rubbing or > soreness, although he still is never tense there under massage. > > > That sounds really quick for white hairs to come in. Usually, it takes > consistent pressure over time for white hairs to come in. You just got that > saddle, what 2-3 months ago? And I'm pretty sure you said that you often > use the other saddle (Hrimmir?) for lessons, still? And you weigh around > 100 pounds? I've used Sensations for three years now, and I weigh almost > 140 now - sigh. oh karen, you are so funny, twisting my facts around to fit your theory. i've had the sensation since last spring (actually i had a trial model first -- about five months now). i haven't used the hrimnir much since then, since the two students it fit have been riding other horses. the five people (incl. me) who still ride him all use the sensation, and weigh between 60# and 140#. (i weigh about 110# right now, having managed to put on a bit.) > I'd think that white hairs are much more likely to be coming from something > that happened months or years ago, considering how little you weigh and how > briefly you've had the saddle, and that it's still not the horse's full-time > saddle. kaaren jordan disagrees with you, and as she is my sensation dealer and has been all along, i am following her opinions and advice. stjarni's never had white hairs there before this, despite two changes of coat that i've seen; this is a new thing with this winter coat coming in. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:28:22AM +0100, Mic Rushen wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:34:16 -0600, you wrote: > >sometimes transitioning a horse from shoes to barefoot takes > >a long time. > > And sometimes, it's not possible at all, depending on the horse, where > he's ridden, and the conditions he's kept in (for instance, in areas > with high, frequent rainfall so the feet are usually very soft and > moist). we had a six-week drought that ended sunday, but usually it is pretty wet around here. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 10:34:16PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: > Hi Vicka, sometimes transitioning a horse from shoes to barefoot takes > a long time. Especially if they've worn shoes for a very long time. > Boots may help him while he transittions. *nod* i may end up buying him boots. right now he changes his opinions from moment to moment, and i don't know if he *will* get past the ouchy phase if he doesn't have (limited) exposure to the ouchy bits -- human feet sure don't adapt that way. > and they got him past the ouchy phase, and he had only light riding > during those times. I also gave him the choice of being ridden or > not. If I walked out with a bridle and Hreggur came to meet me, it > was a good day and off we went. If he stood in a corner and tried to > ignore meI allowed him to be ignored. stjarni is as willing as ever, probably because the ring doesn't hurt and he enjoys the trail anyway. i do let him pick his footing outside, but we've been doing a lot of bushwhacking (i have quite the set of scrapes on my face) and i know it's still not keeping him away from the rocks; that's not really possible in our state forest. > Do you have pics of Stjarni's feet? Hreggur had terribly contracted > feet and it took a long time for his heels to open up. I have pics > somewhere... no, but i can certainly take some if folks would like. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
> i'm currently working on making adjustments to my treeless saddle, as stjarni's winter coat is coming in with some white hairs underneath where the free-swing stirrup "butterfly piece" lies, indicating rubbing or soreness, although he still is never tense there under massage. That sounds really quick for white hairs to come in. Usually, it takes consistent pressure over time for white hairs to come in. You just got that saddle, what 2-3 months ago? And I'm pretty sure you said that you often use the other saddle (Hrimmir?) for lessons, still? And you weigh around 100 pounds? I've used Sensations for three years now, and I weigh almost 140 now - sigh. I still haven't seen any white hairs from any of them. I'd think that white hairs are much more likely to be coming from something that happened months or years ago, considering how little you weigh and how briefly you've had the saddle, and that it's still not the horse's full-time saddle. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:34:16 -0600, you wrote: >sometimes transitioning a horse from shoes to barefoot takes >a long time. And sometimes, it's not possible at all, depending on the horse, where he's ridden, and the conditions he's kept in (for instance, in areas with high, frequent rainfall so the feet are usually very soft and moist). Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
On 10/09/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > he will def. be barefoot in back; has been for ages. i am currently > trying him barefoot in front, mostly b/c our farrier sucks, but i'm not > considering him well-transitioned yet and may decide to re-shoe him in > front before the show. if it's already past frost by then he *will* be > shod in front, for borium. Hi Vicka, sometimes transitioning a horse from shoes to barefoot takes a long time. Especially if they've worn shoes for a very long time. Boots may help him while he transittions. I had Old Macs for Hreggur and they got him past the ouchy phase, and he had only light riding during those times. I also gave him the choice of being ridden or not. If I walked out with a bridle and Hreggur came to meet me, it was a good day and off we went. If he stood in a corner and tried to ignore meI allowed him to be ignored. Do you have pics of Stjarni's feet? Hreggur had terribly contracted feet and it took a long time for his heels to open up. I have pics somewhere... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 04:56:05PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > > it'll be interesting to see him among other icelandics after we cleaned > > up at the open-breed two-phase :) > > > Are you going in natural? (no noseband, no shoes, no boots, treeless?) i don't know yet. noseband: stjarni usually wears a loose caveson. i see no reason to remove it, and i think it looks cute. he wears a french-link snaffle, essentially the same bit i tried him in before i bought him. he will def. be barefoot in back; has been for ages. i am currently trying him barefoot in front, mostly b/c our farrier sucks, but i'm not considering him well-transitioned yet and may decide to re-shoe him in front before the show. if it's already past frost by then he *will* be shod in front, for borium. no boots. i got him a pair of bell boots for jumping, but he hasn't really seemed to need them even as we've progressed to 2' and barrels, and i doubt there will be classes over fences anyway, so no. i'm currently working on making adjustments to my treeless saddle, as stjarni's winter coat is coming in with some white hairs underneath where the free-swing stirrup "butterfly piece" lies, indicating rubbing or soreness, although he still is never tense there under massage. but the hard-use stirrup attachment has never been in the right place for me, and the hrimnir (also not really sized right for me) fits stjarni very well. if i'm not satisfied with the stuff i'm trying (with kaaren's informed guidance) with the sensation by the time of the show, we'll use the hrimnir, stjarni's back being more important to me than my leg position. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
> it'll be interesting to see him among other icelandics after we cleaned > up at the open-breed two-phase :) Are you going in natural? (no noseband, no shoes, no boots, treeless?) Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 10:51:59AM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > > November 16-18 - Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show at the Kentucky Horse > > Center > > Rich, do you think there will be any horses without nosebands? barefoot? if i can get transportation, stjarni will be there in his caveson. he'll at least be barefoot in back; not sure yet about front (he's been barefoot in front for a few weeks and is not happy about it, i don't have a very good farrier atm, and by november we may be into borium season anyway) it'll be interesting to see him among other icelandics after we cleaned up at the open-breed two-phase :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
> November 16-18 - Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show at the Kentucky Horse > Center Rich, do you think there will be any horses without nosebands? barefoot? Will you get pictures for us? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show
November 16-18 - Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show at the Kentucky Horse Center, Lexington, KY. Contact Gudmar Petursson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or www.gudmar.com.
[IceHorses] Kentucky - Summer Eczema
I got behind on posts this weekend, but I think I saw someone address the issue of Summer Eczema to Rachel, from KY. I think I missed part of the thread, so if this is duplicate information, please excuse me. Rachel, Anneliese Virro has had many Icelandics in KY, about an hour south of Lexington, for about 25 years, at one time importing them, then later importing and breeding. She's fought the SE battle on the east coat probably longer than anyone. I'm pretty sure she's said that of the horses she's had, she's had about a 60% incidence in imports, with a zero rate in domestics. Many people will cite statistics based on a handful of horses over a couple of years, and since SE can develop as long as 5, maybe even 10 years after import, those statistics don't mean much. I'm not sure exactly how many horses Anneliese has had over the years - dozens, and probably close to 200...? I know she's had as many as 50 at one time. She's had enough for her statistics to be meaningful. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM
[IceHorses] Kentucky
>From Rachel: where are you? I'm in Maysville. I live halfway between Morehead and Olive Hill on 60 East..about two hours from Maysville! Say, do you have any Icelandics for sale?? Rachel from E. KY
