RE: [IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
Hi Karen, Maybe something like a team of three - a vet, a farrier, a trainer...? Something like that. Then maybe another segment judged by a person (team?) familiar with gaited horses and gaits. This just makes sense to me. Interesting thought. It is my understanding that most (all) other breed evaluations are done by people within the breed - it would be interesting to see things done with people outside a breed evaluating them. I have always contended that when you stand outside a breed/or training method it is easier to see the abusive or down side to what is considered the 'norm' - when you are inside the breed/ discipline it is just seen as the way things are done Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 2:04 PM The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
If you've spent thousands getting your horse there and he's about to be disqualified because his shoe has spread from it's original form, yeah, you're going to be happy there is a farrier on hand to quickly re-shoe him. Which brings up another good point...why should it cost thousands to get your horse TRAINED for evaluations? I did a few quick calculations when I first was considering breeding, and if I did what was recommended, I could easily have $5000-1 in TRAINING, travel, etc. per horse before I had him/her evaluated. Now, these are nominally breeding evaluations, and nothing about TRAINING is heritable. Makes a lot of sense, huh? They are VERY strict about adhering to the rules regarding shoes, protective boots, etc. at an evaluation. I can think of a couple of ways to vastly streamline those strict rules: ban all boots, and encourage barefoot. If a breeding horse needs protective boots and/or shoes, IMO, he/she already has two strikes against him/her as a breeding animal. This would not only streamline the adherence to rules, but it would also weed out many weak or manipulated horses. That's a win-win. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
If you've spent thousands getting your horse there and he's about to be disqualified because his shoe has spread from it's original form, yeah, you're going to be happy there is a farrier on hand to quickly re-shoe him. Which brings up another good point...why should it cost thousands to get your horse TRAINED for evaluations? Karen, I DID NOT SAY anything about TRAINING. It costs for health papers to travel, fuel to haul 2000 miles round trip, vehicle checkup to make sure you make it 2000 miles hauling a horse, hotel, stall rental, farm sitters, missed work, etc., etc. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can think of a couple of ways to vastly streamline those strict rules: ban all boots, and encourage barefoot. If a breeding horse needs protective boots and/or shoes, IMO, he/she already has two strikes against him/her as a breeding animal. This would not only streamline the adherence to rules, but it would also weed out many weak or manipulated horses. That's a win-win. I think the original comment was that the rules didn't seem so complicated that any normal farrier would not be able to comply with it, I think I was wondering why an Icelandic farrier would have to do it? I agree with changing the shoeing rules. I wonder what would happen if they streamlined the shoeing rules, and allowed barefoot horses, banning that doesn't make any sense to me. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
On 1/12/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't say YOU said it Cheryl. In fact, I don't remember hearing you mention having a horse evaluated since I've been on the list, so I wouldn't expect to glean that sort of detail from you. When I ran those numbers in my head, I used specific examples of numbers people who have had horses evaluated - from the traditional list, from some specific stories in Tolt News, etc. Doesn't seem far off from having any other European breed evaluated or having a horse or pony evaluated for the American WB/Sport Pony Association. Even with me grooming myself, training my pony myself to get her inspected for the Sport Pony Assoc it would cost $550 for the evaluation, transport to FL, stabling, hotels, meals, etc... And the handler, if I choose not to handle her myself would have been another $100. And, that was 3 years ago! Steph -- Brutality begins where skill ends. Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels. Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
I can think of a couple of ways to vastly streamline those strict rules: ban all boots, and encourage barefoot. If a breeding horse needs protective boots and/or shoes, IMO, he/she already has two strikes against him/her as a breeding animal. This would not only streamline the adherence to rules, but it would also weed out many weak or manipulated horses. That's a win-win. Karen: I could not agree more! By the way, are you a member of the USIHC? Perhaps you could start working on them to put your suggestions into practice. Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
I could not agree more! By the way, are you a member of the USIHC? Perhaps you could start working on them to put your suggestions into practice. Not any more - I let my membership lapse. I'd love to see a simpler but more to the point set of standards go into effect, ones that wouldn't be so expensive as to deter people to pursue. The current standard is so built around training, and moving the horses all over the country, with Icelander handlers strongly recommended. There was a story of someone who had their horse evaluated who actually paid for about a year or so of training for the horse - that was published in one of the magazines. Then there was transportation, rider fees, etc. So, how many people are willing to give up their horses for 3-12 months -even if they have that kind of money - just to get them evaluated? Not me - I don't trust many trainers enough to send them my beloved horses to mess with. And if I were designing a simpler standard, I'd have a segment of it judged by a panel outside the breed. There are certain qualities of conformation that relate to ALL horses, so why not get objective people from outside the breed to give input? Maybe something like a team of three - a vet, a farrier, a trainer...? Something like that. Then maybe another segment judged by a person (team?) familiar with gaited horses and gaits. This just makes sense to me. A lot of us have good horsemen resources in our local regions with good eyes for horses. Why do we continue to have such an expensive system to participate in? By using local resources, we could get some good, outside-the-box opinions, as well as saving a lot of transportation costs. Does anyone think there's a realistic chance the USIHC would ever entertain an alternate evaluation system? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do we continue to have such an expensive system to participate in? I think that's exactly it:) Does anyone think there's a realistic chance the USIHC would ever entertain an alternate evaluation system? Haha! I don't know, things change, eventually. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
Does anyone think there's a realistic chance the USIHC would ever entertain an alternate evaluation system? Haha! Yeah, I was kinda afraid that would be the reaction... I don't know, things change, eventually. I think it doesn't hurt for us to talk about it, and at least try to visualize viable alternatives. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Why do we continue to have such an expensive system to participate in? I think that's exactly it:) We don't HAVE to accept that system. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
