[IceHorses] was KY Icelandic show now nosebands
-Original Message- From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:37 AM To: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [IceHorses] KY Icelandic show There is no rule requiring nosebands in FIRO (sport competition rules) - Too bad the judges aren't more familiar with the rules. Karen Thomas, NC Renee wrote I then asked several other people (I was not able to talk to one of the judges before the class as they were out in the ring) and they also were under the impression that she had to have a noseband. As Renee wrote in this case it was, other people, not the judges who were consulted. I don't think it is fair to accuse judges of not knowing the rules. Phil Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] was KY Icelandic show now nosebands
As Renee wrote in this case it was, other people, not the judges who were consulted. I don't think it is fair to accuse judges of not knowing the rules. Ok, fine, then the much-touted GUDMAR should certainly know the rules. If you want to get really picky, I'm pretty darned sure the evaluation judges in the USA allowed dropped nosebands with shanked Icelandic bits before they were sanctioned ... I really don't care to argue about varying degrees of bad, Phil. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] was KY Icelandic show now nosebands
On 12/09/2007, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Renee wrote in this case it was, other people, not the judges who were consulted. I don't think it is fair to accuse judges of not knowing the rules. Phil Hi Phil: I'm at work right now, otherwise I'd check for myself. But was there a rule about using nosebands and shanked bits? Wasn't there a rule against that? Seems to me nosebands at a show level should be almost non-existent, but we even see cavessons really really tight. A horse at that level should be fairly 'finished'.in my opinion. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] was KY Icelandic show now nosebands
I'm at work right now, otherwise I'd check for myself. But was there a rule about using nosebands and shanked bits? Wasn't there a rule against that? Up until recently (two years maybe?) there was a rule against using dropped nosebands with shanked bits - traditional hunter-type nosebands above the bit (over the bony part of the nose) were allowed with shanked bits. That has been changed now, and unfortunately, as soon as the rules changed, people seemed ready to add more tack. Seems to me nosebands at a show level should be almost non-existent, but we even see cavessons really really tight. A horse at that level should be fairly 'finished'.in my opinion. Absolutely my opinion too, Wanda...unfortunately the trend in Icelandic showing seems to be more is more - totally contrary to my less is more philosophy. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM
RE: [IceHorses] was KY Icelandic show now nosebands
-Original Message- From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:03 AM To: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [IceHorses] was KY Icelandic show now nosebands As Renee wrote in this case it was, other people, not the judges who were consulted. I don't think it is fair to accuse judges of not knowing the rules. Ok, fine, then the much-touted GUDMAR should certainly know the rules. If you want to get really picky, I'm pretty darned sure the evaluation judges in the USA allowed dropped nosebands with shanked Icelandic bits before they were sanctioned ... I really don't care to argue about varying degrees of bad, Phil. - Karen, I am not picking a fight just trying to correct what I thought was an innocent mis-reading of someone else's post. Please consider that many list members would find it more pleasant if every issue was not dealt with in an adversarial way. Phil Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] was KY Icelandic show now nosebands
Karen, I am not picking a fight just trying to correct what I thought was an innocent mis-reading of someone else's post. Please consider that many list members would find it more pleasant if every issue was not dealt with in an adversarial way. There are days, Phil, when what is pleasant to the list isn't as high on my list of priorities as what's right for the horses. Usually, that's about 365 days a year. We've been discussing the downsides of tight nosebands for as long as I've been on the lists...and during this time, the rules have only gotten more lenient, and harsher tack keeps creeping into the rules and into the shows. I'm sorry if I snapped at you, but we've been down this path before. Some things ARE adversarial, just by their very nature. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] was KY Icelandic show now nosebands
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Renee wrote in this case it was, other people, not the judges who were consulted. I don't think it is fair to accuse judges of not knowing the rules. Ok, fine, then the much-touted GUDMAR should certainly know the rules. If you want to get really picky, I'm pretty darned sure the evaluation judges in the USA allowed dropped nosebands with shanked Icelandic bits before they were sanctioned ... I really don't care to argue about varying degrees of bad, Phil. Karen I believe any tack inproperly fitted can be bad, a nose band is not bad on its own. I had a wonderful Appy mare (Older).she was a wonderful trail horse, she came with her bit, a snaffel with 7 shanks.now after riding her for a long time like that, I decided that I should give her a softer bit.so I did...well that was a trail ride from Hell, so I went back to her bit, which I never ever had to even touch, I had to be hard on her mouth in the lighter bit.I guess I could have spent time and money re-training her, but did not, as that was not where I was at the time in my Equestrian life. I kept her in the bit that I never had to lay my hand onshe was western trained so neck reining was very loose and easyI also rode her in a hackamore...I think its more how we use the equiptment on our horses that is more important..they less equiptment , the more natural. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
