Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ann Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Mura, She lived at my house for a summer in 1994 and so I have a soft spot for her. Thanks, Ann, she is a sweet, sweet horse with a funny personality and a lot of fun to have around. She is worth the effort to make this right, It's not the blue eyes but the pink skin that does them in. Of course, I have never seen a blue eyed horse that doesn't have pink skin but I have seen brown eyed horses that also have pink skin (think Appaloosa's). Any horse with pink skin should wear a long fly mask and/or use sunscreen, especially in the sunny areas of the country. It's just like skin cancer for us - getting much more prevalent. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands. - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
Out stallion Lettir had to have an eye removed and he seemed to cope really well. It was his left eye. We had another mare who was blind in one eye and she also coped well. We have found that the body wrap, neck line driving and a bit of ground driving help re-boot the proprioceptive system and give those horses a much better sense of where they are in space. Thanks for all your feedback, Everyone. This makes me feel a lot better in case we have to take this route. Robyn, do you think a horse like this would have any problems with carriage driving? I think Mura would be a great candidate for that and had planned to do that with her. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands. - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
It's not the blue eyes but the pink skin that does them in. Of course, I have never seen a blue eyed horse that doesn't have pink skin but I have seen brown eyed horses that also have pink skin (think Appaloosa's). Any horse with pink skin should wear a long fly mask and/or use sunscreen, especially in the sunny areas of the country. It's just like skin cancer for us - getting much more prevalent. You know, I normally complain about breed standards that favor (or disfavor) any particular color, but that said, I do understand that there was once some basic for the QH people excluding pintos (which became the Paint breed). I think that is the reason - pink skin is not the greatest asset for a working horse in the sunny parts of the world. I love Gracie (my QH x BLM Mustang - the pinto from the mustang side) but I hope to never have another horse with so much white on her/his face. Her white face is sort of in the area between wide blaze but not quite bald face. I try to keep the ex-long flymask on during the summer, but it never stays on for very long. And she hates the smell of zinc oxide, which seems to be the only sunscreen that lasts very long. At least the skin right around her eyes is dark. Right now, I need to make an appointment for my white cat to have the skin cancers removed from the tips of her ears... Same cause: pink skin. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
but I hope to never have another horse with so much white on her/his face. I have to agree, Karen. This is not something I would want to go through again. It's funny, though, I said I'd never have a gray horse for several reasons and I eneded up with 2 - you just never know what's going to come into your life and it seems like if I say I will never... then there you go - it happens. I just try to keep my sense of humor about life. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands. - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend had a horse who had eye surgery (cancer) recently and he found this: http://www.horsemask.com/Main.html It looks like an interesting product for those who might need it. Karen - your timing is impeccable and amazing - we are trying to decide what direction to go in treating the tumor on Mura's eye (squamous cell carcinoma) and whichever direction we take in the treatment, this will probably be a good source for us. This is a really complicated decision and I actually have a spread sheet that lays out all the options and the combination of options and their costs. Thanks for that link. Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands. - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
decide what direction to go in treating the tumor on Mura's eye (squamous cell carcinoma) Laree, somehow I missed this; I didn't know. How did it happen? When did you notice it? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
Karen - your timing is impeccable and amazing - we are trying to decide what direction to go in treating the tumor on Mura's eye (squamous cell carcinoma) and whichever direction we take in the treatment, this will probably be a good source for us. This is a really complicated decision and I actually have a spread sheet that lays out all the options and the combination of options and their costs. Thanks for that link. It's Terry, the hauler, whose old Clydesdale mare just had surgery for cancer. I'm sure he'd tell you about her experiences if you'd like. If you don't have his e-mail, I can send it to you privately. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: decide what direction to go in treating the tumor on Mura's eye (squamous cell carcinoma) Laree, somehow I missed this; I didn't know. How did it happen? When did you notice it? She has had it for some time and it was not taken care of until she came to live with Cherie. Cherie and her vet did 4 Cryo freezing treatments (with lliquid nitrogen) and that didn't take care of it. When she came to live here, we put her on a topical chemo drug but that did nothing. Now we are working with the NC State vet school to try to make a plan on how to go forward from here. They are getting a new treatment (Brachy Therapy) that has a 95% success rate wth this type of tumor but we don't know how expensive it's going to be yet, so that is, unfortunately, going to have a bearing on what we can do. There is also another option of chemo injections but we don't know the cost on that yet either. It's just frustrating because if this had been taken care of when it first started, she would have had a much better chance of it being a simple thing to fix. One of our options might be that we have to remove that eye. Does anyone have experience with horses that have just one eye? What issues do they have? She is such a sweet, calm horse that if we had to go that way, I think she would handle as well as a horse could. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands. - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
It's Terry, the hauler, whose old Clydesdale mare just had surgery for cancer. I'm sure he'd tell you about her experiences if you'd like. If you don't have his e-mail, I can send it to you privately. Thanks, I have his email and will get in touch with him. All the feedback we can get will be good. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands. - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
One of our options might be that we have to remove that eye. Does anyone have experience with horses that have just one eye? What issues do they have? She is such a sweet, calm horse that if we had to go that way, I think she would handle as well as a horse could. She may not have any issues with just one eye. I have known two Icelandics with only one functional eye. Rosie had hers removed when she was young (due to an accident), and she was not bothered by it. Aesa had the eyeball, but no sight in it, and she was a nervous horse by nature, even before her accident. Often, in my arena when doing ropings, there was a big black horse. I never noticed for years that he had only one eye. His eyeball had been removed and the owner had a small ball inserted before the vet closed it up, for cosmetic purposes. You just couldn't tell! And he roped real well. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
She may not have any issues with just one eye. I have known two Icelandics with only one functional eye. Rosie had hers removed when she was young (due to an accident), and she was not bothered by it. Aesa had the eyeball, but no sight in it, and she was a nervous horse by nature, even before her accident. Often, in my arena when doing ropings, there was a big black horse. I never noticed for years that he had only one eye. His eyeball had been removed and the owner had a small ball inserted before the vet closed it up, for cosmetic purposes. You just couldn't tell! And he roped real well. Thanks - that is encouraging -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands. - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
Poor Mura, She lived at my house for a summer in 1994 and so I have a soft spot for her. She had a colt Joki and Stella had BIbi and the two were best buddies. Blue eyed horses can be a problem but with the advent of fly masks things must be better than in the past. Ann
Re: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
One of our options might be that we have to remove that eye. Does anyone have experience with horses that have just one eye? What issues do they have? She is such a sweet, calm horse that if we had to go that way, I think she would handle as well as a horse could. Terry's mare had one removed a while back, and just last week had surgery on the remaining eye. I think the complication with her though is that she wasn't handled before they got her and she's a Clydesdale. That's an awfully big horse to be untrusting and partially blind. I'd think a horse with lots of confidence, experience, and trust do better still. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Item for horses with eye diseases, injuries
Hi One of our options might be that we have to remove that eye. Does anyone have experience with horses that have just one eye? What issues do they have? She is such a sweet, calm horse that if we had to go that way, I think she would handle as well as a horse could. Out stallion Lettir had to have an eye removed and he seemed to cope really well. It was his left eye. We had another mare who was blind in one eye and she also coped well. We have found that the body wrap, neck line driving and a bit of ground driving help re-boot the proprioceptive system and give those horses a much better sense of where they are in space. Robyn
